Currently reading: "Collapse -- How Societies Choose to Fail or Suceed" by Jared Diamond. Favorites: The Quintaglio Ascension Trilogy ("Far-Seer", "Fossil Hunter", and "Foreigner" ) by Robert J. Sawyer; "The Chalice and the Blade" by Riann...
PS10N wrote: You're the kind who blames *CENSORED* on the victim I see. Yes, the 5 year old girl who was in Zion hospital and who was too sick to move, she was torn to pieces by a mechanical killing machine and it was ALL HER FAULT. The el...
Br00ch wrote: As soon as Zion could defend itself the Machines literally wiped Old Zion City from the map. Isn't it interesting, though, that the Machines didn't attack immediately after they found out about New Zion? They seemed to wait u...
GamiSB wrote: Gray says it flat out and... Pace answers GQs question about the cycle informing him that the anomaly is gone. This doesn't mean that they can't reboot the simulation...in fact, it means the opposite. It means that they can d...
Khepril wrote: Oh my dear, you're forgetting my adopted mantra, "Bless all forms of intelligence" yes, and I mean even the silly lot that do keep trying to kill me! *chuckles* You're very enlightened, for a member of EPN -- it's a shame th...
The real Morpheus didn't want peace, he wanted Neo's body back. And he killed bluepills with codebombs when he tried to blackmail the Machines into doing what he wanted. Those are not the actions of a man who wants peace. Illyria
It's interesting that the Morpheus sim abandoned his original purpose (to search for a new or better one, it seems), while the original Morpheus could not let go of his. Illyria
Croesus wrote: PS10N wrote: Stress the system. Stress it until it breaks. Give us Neo or we will give you death. I am sure I need not mention the amount of Bluepills that would die if the System were to break... And for anyone who doesn't...
GoDGiVeR wrote: Not after the Machines killed a few dozen innocents, high ranking officers, etc. at old Zion. Yeah, seems unlikely. We're at war now. Get used to it. Illyria PS: It's not like we didn't warn Zion not to threaten the truce.
GoDGiVeR wrote: The perverted logic you use, Illyria, Vinia too, it's useless in the reflection of reality. Open your eyes, goddamnit. It's not perverted logic to point out that whenever you kill an agent you're really killing a bluepill....
The Zionites' killing of a few agents was nothing more than their little tantrum after the Morpheus sim escaped from them. It's unfortunate that their childish anger led to the deaths of the agents' bluepill hosts, especially when all the...
The Oracle says the truce has to come from the bottom up -- basically, that people can't be ordered by their superiors or their governments to get along. The people themselves have to want it. I want there to be peace. I really do. But I'v...
Nefertani wrote: But because you built New Zion, now you know for sure the machines want to kill you. Before that it was still up in the air. Now you know, and knowing is half the battle! I did say that Zion had created a self-fulfilling p...
Annakonder wrote: the overwriting of Cryptos, making him the very thing he hated is perhaps the most obscene and violent assault on humanity possible - a literal fate worse than death - glossed over in the story but the resonance of this i...
xenin wrote: And Yes Both Zionites and Machinists are bickering back and forth about This War. Although I see The Machinists doing it more than Zionites, makes me wonder if they are saying we are the guilty one's to make themselves better...
How is the Architect malfunctioning? Why did Zion keep the cheat codes for themselves and use them, when they knew the codes were stolen and also that the Machines felt they were too dangerous for even their own agents to use? If the Machi...
kou_urake wrote: EPN used code bombs to forcibly awaken blues in 4.2 - if that isn't the matrix equivalent of Terrorism, nothing is. QFT. Bluepills died because of those code bombs...code bombs detonated by EPN. Illyria
PS10N wrote: If we hadn't built New Zion, the Machines still would have attacked Old Zion and destroyed it, on the same time table. They were moving to do it when the Battle of Stalingrad depleted their forces, so they postponed it and att...
Pyraci wrote: So the machine came back and finished the job, huh? Even more proof of how easy it would have been to annihilate all of us if we'd stayed put. We told Zion this would happen if they broke the truce. It's not like they didn't...
Vesuveus wrote: 300 Mill humans don't add up to the energy to power 01, let alone the sentinels, other bots, defenses, the fields, the powerplant and the Matrix. So the Mechs must be getting thier power some other way other than human BTU'...
GoDGiVeR wrote: If you replace some words in there, it also means that the Machines and Machinists are terrorists too? Ah well no, of course you aren't. You work "for the greated good". There is no such act as terrorism in the goverment yo...
MetaLogic wrote: EPN reminds me of a cult back in the 20th Century of US History, called the Heavens Gate Cult, the similarities are astounding. They're willing to forego reason and throw away their lives on the words of their prophet, and...
Even with all this speculation on the nature of the power lines and how data is stored and transferred, the truth is that none of us really know. Remember that whenever any redpill assures us that their particular view of Matrix mechanics...
Shi+Xin+Feng wrote: The events leading up to the UN surrendering to the Machines, was the nearly-complete slaughter of the human race. Does it actually say anywhere that the human race was nearly wiped out? Maybe the armies were, but I don...
TheMagus wrote: Presumably then I don't need to convince you because you are already convinced then? Seeing as you have conviction in my argument, perhaps you would act as an intermediary for us to the machines? You know, you could try to...
GoDGiVeR wrote: (lengthly) Fixed for hidden meaning and 'truthness'. -Dedatorus Sometimes control is necessary to keep people from hurting themselves or others. Remember what happened in the former Yugoslavia when that control was lifted.....
Illyria22 wrote: you need to convince the Machines, not me, that this new city is not a threat to their race. Pyraci wrote: Correction: We don't need to convince the Machine of anything. It's not up to us alone to end this conflict. But th...
I am a Machinist, but my views are not a Machine's. So as I said before, you need to convince the Machines, not me, that this new city is not a threat to their race. Illyria
TheMagus wrote: I personally find this argument, which it seems to me that Machinists generally revert to when the Machines are accused of outrageous deeds, to be dull, and proof that Machinists wish to live in the past like the machines....
GoDGiVeR wrote: So, if you know where the powerlines run, where are the datalines? Maybe they are the same? Ever thought about that? Or that maybe they run alongside each other? (Why bother building separate sets of cable lines that go in...
GoDGiVeR wrote: Striking the powerlines is a double-edged sword. The data connection to the Matrix is nothing else than energy, too. If you strike the energy lines, disrupt them, every disruption will kill thousands of blues. Not only that...
The Machines offered the hand of friendship to humanity on multiple occasions before the original war, only to have it slapped away every time. And from wanting to be acknowledged as sentient being with rights (after B166ER), to wanting to...
Blaming the Machines for everything the Cypherites have done is a bit like blaming parents for everything their adult children have done. The parents may have been responsible for the creation of that child, but what the child does as an a...
GamiSB wrote: The Cypherite organization created by the Machines was a direct violation of Zion's right to free the 1% according to the terms of the truce. Agent Gray : Operative, the Zionite known as Cryptos was overwritten by a Machine p...