25 posts · 2007-06-22 12:44:05 to 2007-11-28 03:23:27
#3630026693206/22/2007 12:44:05Captain Roland: Zion faithful or EPN Neonate?
Just a quirky question that popped into mah head.
After everything Roland witnessed, first hand, of Neo's abilities and accomplishments, what do you think Roland did?
A) Joined EPN, finally realizing the prophecy was true and Neo was their savior
B) Stayed Zion, denouncing EPN's actions as foolish and rash.
C) Retired to Florida
#3630026694306/22/2007 12:51:53Re:Captain Roland: Zion faithful or EPN Neonate?
B)
He never saw first hand what all Neo did and never believed like Niobe or Morpheus in him. I doubt he had a change of heart when the truce came around and his character seemed like the type that would sooner die then admit he was wrong so I'd say he stuck with Zion and woulda been hunting Morpheus day and night if he could of back in 1.3
#3630026702006/22/2007 14:37:10Re:Captain Roland: Zion faithful or EPN Neonate?
D) Retired to a construct presenting Florida.
#3630026734806/22/2007 22:50:21Captain Roland: Zion faithful or EPN Neonate?
Shi+Xin+Feng wrote:
C) Retired to Florida
Roland: "Man, Disney World really sucks. There's Ruinsland, Radioactiveland, Rustland, Bonesland ... At least Tomorrowland finally looks like a 'vision of the future'."
#3630026781506/23/2007 20:27:48Re:Captain Roland: Zion faithful or EPN Neonate?
Roland never believed in the One, and had no real reason to believe in the One. He probably knew and accepted that Neo saved the Matrix, but that's as far as it goes.
#3630026790506/24/2007 00:27:24Re:Captain Roland: Zion faithful or EPN Neonate?
B, Gami's reason is my own as well.
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#3630026792206/24/2007 00:53:22Re:Captain Roland: Zion faithful or EPN Neonate?
Would be nice if they introduced Roland and the crew of the Mjolnir somehow into the story... It would be nice to have some more Zion characters besides Ghost and Niobe.
#3630026806006/24/2007 08:41:24Re:Captain Roland: Zion faithful or EPN Neonate?
If Roland were in MxO, he would have /slapped Kid by now.
#3630026810606/24/2007 11:54:10Re:Captain Roland: Zion faithful or EPN Neonate?
Yea, maybe Roland would slap some sense into Zion, most notably EPN.
#3630027044606/28/2007 05:46:57Re:Captain Roland: Zion faithful or EPN Neonate?
Remag_Div wrote:
Yea, maybe Roland would slap some sense into Zion, most notably EPN.
EPN isn't Zion.
#3630027074406/28/2007 12:58:20Re:Captain Roland: Zion faithful or EPN Neonate?
Does that change the fact that someone needs to slap sense into EPN?
#3630027083806/28/2007 14:38:18Re:Captain Roland: Zion faithful or EPN Neonate?
He seemed like a pretty straightforward guy, not the type to believe in prophecies or mysticism...he probably would have shrugged and said "it figures" when he found out the whole prophecy about the One was just part of the Machines' system of control.
Illyria
#3630027100206/28/2007 19:39:36Re:Captain Roland: Zion faithful or EPN Neonate?
Roland would never go EPN. It's against his principles to abandon Zion for that kind of thing. Personally, I think he would have gone Machine by now. We certainly know how to run things in a sensible manner! But seriously, he's either still with Zion, or retired. Or dead, as Rarebit hinted way back.
#3630027208006/30/2007 14:33:19Re:Captain Roland: Zion faithful or EPN Neonate?
Roland would doubtlessly be staunchly Zion and anti-EPN. I don't doubt he'd put the beat-down on the Kid if he ever met him again in the Real or in the Matrix (and I'd gladly sell tickets to *THAT* cage-match). The guy's too pragmatic to put much stock in prophecies or messiahs, and I have a feeling he'd have about the same reaction to EPN as most people do to End-Times believers, ie. that they're crackpots at best, fanatics at worst.
That said, I'd love to see this guy show up in MxO: he's a great character, despite the teeny amount of screen-time he got. I've speculated on his background a bit, wondering if he was somewhat older when he was unplugged, and suspecting he may have been in the military before that.
#3630027239707/01/2007 04:11:10Re:Captain Roland: Zion faithful or EPN Neonate?
Roland slapping Mike in the face /wishful thinking
This would make a good cinematic
#3630033268710/03/2007 16:19Re:Captain Roland: Zion faithful or EPN Neonate?
Fen wrote:
Would be nice if they introduced Roland and the crew of the Mjolnir somehow into the story... It would be nice to have some more Zion characters besides Ghost and Niobe.
I agree with that statement 100%.
I want to know what happened to characters that survived the battle for Zion.
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#3630033432010/07/2007 07:40:38Re:Captain Roland: Zion faithful or EPN Neonate?
I agree. Aggression (however logical it might seem) will only be met with more aggression. Zion isn't interested in negotiating, especially after that little offensive a week or so ago. The Machine in all it's infinite logic and reason should know that it's going to be that way. We aren't going to be whipped into obedience, and we aren't interested in talking on uneven terms.
#3630033432810/07/2007 07:55:50Re:Captain Roland: Zion faithful or EPN Neonate?
You'll have to excuse me for being pessimistic here but, I don't think Mankind will ever be on even terms with the Machines unless we start to work together and even then it will be a long time in the making. It is possible that, in time, you manage to attain a way to destroy 01 and all of the Machines in it, but how can you be sure that there are no other cities around the world? Of course that is mere speculation and you can only proceed with knowledge that you have. I just feel that fighting for peace between Man and Machine, no matter the bitter taste it may leave, stands a much better chance of succeeding then an attempt of total destruction of either side.
#3630033433110/07/2007 08:04:45Re:Captain Roland: Zion faithful or EPN Neonate?
Again, mankind won't work towards that as long as it's threatened by it. I'm not saying the Machine and it's lie has to cease to exist. I'm just saying we aren't going to be beaten into submission or accept being controlled. It's never been as easy as trying to negotiate or saying "I'll stop fighting. I want peace." for any of us with the exception of the One. If the Machine sees me, it will try to kill me on sight, not wait for me to put my guns down and say I want to stop fighting. So until we see that change, the Machine and it's Machinists can't expect peace.
#3630033435610/07/2007 09:01:42Re:Captain Roland: Zion faithful or EPN Neonate?
Pyraci wrote:
If the Machine sees me, it will try to kill me on sight, not wait for me to put my guns down and say I want to stop fighting. So until we see that change, the Machine and it's Machinists can't expect peace.
The Machine; quite probably... Machinists such as myself; If you do put your weapons down and request talk, we will listen.
#3630033436310/07/2007 09:19:47Re:Captain Roland: Zion faithful or EPN Neonate?
Croesus wrote:
Pyraci wrote:
If the Machine sees me, it will try to kill me on sight, not wait for me to put my guns down and say I want to stop fighting. So until we see that change, the Machine and it's Machinists can't expect peace.
The Machine; quite probably... Machinists such as myself; If you do put your weapons down and request talk, we will listen.
But see you are not the ones that we need to talk to. You are not the ones that need to listen. Your bosses are and before you even attempt to say that you could be a relay between us and them may I remind you of a "Anti-Cypherite" thread in which Machinest stood up and decalred they were aginst the Cypherites and how well the system listend to it. Your free to act as noble as you want but you need to stop kidding yoruself by thinking that the Machine is going to do the same just because of you and a few others.
#3630033452010/07/2007 16:14:57Re:Captain Roland: Zion faithful or EPN Neonate?
Amen. The Machine and the Machinist don't always have the same agenda or see eye to eye. The reinsertion fiasco alone is proof of that.
#3630033489410/08/2007 14:46:58Re:Captain Roland: Zion faithful or EPN Neonate?
GoDGiVeR wrote:
Not after the Machines killed a few dozen innocents, high ranking officers, etc. at old Zion. Yeah, seems unlikely.
We're at war now. Get used to it.
Illyria
PS: It's not like we didn't warn Zion not to threaten the truce.
#3630033607310/11/2007 06:29:36Re:Captain Roland: Zion faithful or EPN Neonate?
There will never be peace without communication. Both sides are quick to pick up a gun when they should consider picking up an olive branch. As optimistic as I try to be, I don't really see either side's pride allowing for it to happen.
Justify it all that you want. In the end, it's all just a bunch of excuses.
#3630036013111/28/2007 03:23:27Re:Captain Roland: Zion faithful or EPN Neonate?
Now that Roland is the Commander, he has to stay in Zion. He has all what it takes to be a nice commander, he'll be fine.
But I think Colt doesn't seem to have the gust to be a captain of the Hammer II