[8.3.1] With that information they could lock an operative's signal - Recursion - 10/4/07

Instance?

Recon button?

Gank?

./highfive??????

All those agents are still at Murasaki park, making the view there even nicer. 

Illyria

Did Zion have a case of ADD where they just got totally side tracked? 

Side tracked from what - a ghost hunt? We did the best with what we had... which was next to nothing.

Still, we'll have to find the sim, and make sure he doesn't permit the Machines to make use of this data...

((How I never got put on ignore on this I'll never know, Ebola got hit almost right away))

You know, I had a rather good conversation with a few mervs who came to watch the show with our agents against the Zions. We actually all had a good laugh about the mess Zion are in right now.

Colt needs to be sorted out, that show was very, very shameful for him and for you all.

Do enjoy yourselves,

TheUnknownShadow x

((How I never got put on ignore on this I'll never know, Ebola got hit almost right away))

You know, I had a rather good conversation with a few mervs who came to watch the show with our agents against the Zions. We actually all had a good laugh about the mess Zion are in right now.

Colt needs to be sorted out, that show was very, very shameful for him and for you all.

Do enjoy yourselves,

TheUnknownShadow x

(( I noticed :p probably mad at me for something I did earlier that day :p And all the times Colt died was ignored in the screen shots too! ))

I love watching Zion run around like they have their heads cut off... its so entertaining!

We killed several level 100s.  Dying a few times while doing so is expected.  It's really pathetic the way the people who aren't fighting try to insult the ones who killed all those Agents.  I have an idea for a Live Event, where level 100 spawns constantly attack Cypherites, then we'll see how much laughing you do.  Or, if you're up to it, go attack the Wasteland Corruptors with less than a full team and if you don't die once, then you can trash talk.  Until then, you're just blowing meaningless hot air.

Instance?

Recon button?

Gank?

./highfive??????

H'mm. Looks like this Colt guy is a bit of an idiot.

Cervacius wrote:

Instance?

Recon button?

Gank?

./highfive??????

(( I think the other terms were breaking the fourth wall a bit, but the three instances are long accepted in MxO's universe. Not that their nature has been fully explained, of course, but we get to fill in the blanks as we see fit. ))

I really love Colt's personality. He's less LE-char-ish, and more like just one of us. You see him a lot more than Ghost and he's constantly complaining. " width="15" height="15" /> He doesn't have all the Hardlines, and he's more of the player's liabilty to take care of Colt. He isn't doing godmode or insane damage, he's just Roland FM trying to help Zion's cause. It's pretty interesting seeing someone who's... I dunno, more interactive with us; which I'm guessing is because Colt was never really defined in the story line except (I'm not sure) he was rather rash.

You know, I had a rather good conversation with a few mervs who came to watch the show with our agents against the Zions. We actually all had a good laugh about the mess Zion are in right now.

It's really sad that the system sacrificed so many bluepills (aKa Agent overwritten blues) just for the sake of ... well, why did they commence that useless attack anyways?


The Morpheus simulacra will be found sooner or later. We'll see then, if there is going to be a mess.

-Dedatorus

Elmore's Automatic?

That like the long awaited Zion FM-1500?

GamiSB wrote:

Elmore's Automatic?

That like the long awaited Zion FM-1500?

Roger's Way collector - best deagle a non-Machinist can get.

GoDGiVeR wrote:

It's really sad that the system sacrificed so many bluepills (aKa Agent overwritten blues) just for the sake of ... well, why did they commence that useless attack anyways?


The Morpheus simulacra will be found sooner or later. We'll see then, if there is going to be a mess.

-Dedatorus

You are fully aware that Agents are bluepills, yet this knowledge does not hinder your choices to kill them. An Agents job is to remove a threat by either activating an operatives EJP or to prevent any activity by chasing operatives away from the area. The system has been built with these types of security protocols for the purpose of not destroying bluepills but to prevent operative action by psychological means.

This psychological measure does not have the same impact as physical strength, but lately neither physical strength nor any other measure seems to have been working with many operatives. You still have the concious decision to either run or fight, stop what you are doing or kill an innocent bluepill. You comment that it is the systems fault, that the blood is on Machine hands, the Machines do not make you attack back. It is your decision, it is your hands that are covered in the blood of innocents.

Wrong. The Agent programs where there before the EJP time, their function is antique and needs replacement. Agents are nowadays nothing more than useless bluepill-death enforced by the Machines. No matter how often an Operative dies, he will always get a near-death trauma and feel enourmous pain. Only maniacs willingly stand and get killed. You can't always run and you know that. Your approach by logic is simply flawed by the fact that logic does not reflect hard reality.

It is war. If a General sends his soldiers onto a suicidal mission, isn't it HIS resposibility if they get killed in cold blood? The bluepills are nothing less than shells for the Machines soldiers. Blame US all you want for the death of blues through Agent kills, ultimately the Military decision to employ them makes you just as much responsible as us, even more so because you are there to PREVENT casualities, not PROVOKE them.

And also, how many Special Op teams have been killed just for the sake of trying to kill one redpill, consciously KNOWING that the redpill can come again, whereas their Ops team can't because they are blues? Sending blues against reds is something the Machines should have changed the moment the EJP came into being, but well, I'm not here to tell you how to protect the blues, that is your speciality, no?

If we stand and fight or run and hide is our decision, very well, so much is true. Using this as an argument, though, is perverted. Same goes for using the EJP as an argument. Unlike our EJP, we don't need human recources to survive "death". Your Agents do.


Have your System Shades obscured your eye-sight so much?

-Dedatorus

((P.S.: Of course, in PvP people willingy die very often, but I don't consider the PvP brawls much part of the story. Viewed from RP, PvP in the world of MxO would never happen as it does if it was real, simply because it is a game and people play as if it's a game.

Also, that's the reason why Agents get killed every so-often. In RP, I'd keep running from Agents, unless really forced to fight. But this is just a game, people will attack Agents as they like. Especially in situations like in this LE. Your arguments are more "convincing" because of that, because they reflect what actually happened in the world (as in the game), however, not what "should" or "would" have happened in an RP situation. :S Can't be helped, I guess? -_-' ))

Instance?

Recon button?

Gank?

./highfive??????

Continuing to read more astounding ignorance or deliberate deception here, I'll continue to try to educate:  Agents with a 100 NKLE  don't morph from bluepills like level 255 NKLE Agents do.   Asking you to check your facts before you tirade would be pointless, as you are merely mouthing the lies you've been fed by your puppet masters.

You're doing it again! Making stuff up out of the blue and portraying it as fact.

And all the times Colt died was ignored in the screen shots too! ))

I find looking at dead people in the center of the image very interesting.

...

Yeah.

:p

The Machines don't intend on using bluepills, as Agents, in suicide missions as their strength will easily overcome a single operative or a few operatives. Ganging up on an Agent is purely your choice, as is killing it. Rooting the Agent thus giving everyone time to escape would prevent unnecessary death of operatives and bluepills alike.

Of course we would welcome your ideas in how we could maintain this function of preventing your activities, but I doubt that you would come forward with solutions.

Heh, you see Proc.... Self convincing omniscience at it's very best, even if it has gone off in a tangent

((some things do matter a lot to some of us, even if we genuinely wished they didn't and even if others consider them trivial))

The Zionites' killing of a few agents was nothing more than their little tantrum after the Morpheus sim escaped from them.  It's unfortunate that their childish anger led to the deaths of the agents' bluepill hosts, especially when all the Zionites had to do to avoid those deaths would have been to leave the area.  The sim was already gone and there was no real point for Zion to stick around anyway.  But instead they chose to act out and take down a few agents, killing bluepills in the process...and then they say something along the lines of 'we made them do it' because the Machines designed the agents to use bluepills that way. 

The thing is, Zion knows this -- they know that agents were designed that way, and that every time they kill an agent, it's really a bluepill that dies.  But they choose to do it anyway, even when (as in this incident) there is nothing to be gained.  They may claim it's in self defense or whatever to try to justify it, but it really boils down to this...

When an agent kills you, you don't really die.  So it's no big deal when this happens; you just reconstruct and come back, good as new.  So no matter if you fight or jump away, nothing permanent happens to you.

When you kill an agent, the agent doesn't really die, but his bluepill host does.  That bluepill is gone forever. 

You may whine and moan all you want about how it's the Machines' fault for making the agents that way, but you *knew* they were made that way too...you had the choice to jump away or leave the area or even to let the agent send you back to the loading area, but in the end it was *your* choice to take that human life.

Illyria

PS10N wrote:

We killed several level 100s.  Dying a few times while doing so is expected.  It's really pathetic the way the people who aren't fighting try to insult the ones who killed all those Agents.  I have an idea for a Live Event, where level 100 spawns constantly attack Cypherites, then we'll see how much laughing you do.  Or, if you're up to it, go attack the Wasteland Corruptors with less than a full team and if you don't die once, then you can trash talk.  Until then, you're just blowing meaningless hot air.

You must of missed our event fighting the Commandos in the White Room :p All of my jeering is In Character, I was watching my enemy, who vastly out number us, get their *CENSORED* handed to them by Agents... why should Ebola NOT be happy and celebratory by that? We are your enemies, and we were trying to bring down your morale... and it seems to have worked wonderfully. And you know every Zionist including yourself would be doing the same thing if we were in that situation. Especially you, I've heard you chime in your two cents on more than one occasion.  So don't be a hyprocrit.

The Zionites' killing of a few agents was nothing more than their little tantrum after the Morpheus sim escaped from them.  It's unfortunate that their childish anger led to the deaths of the agents' bluepill hosts, especially when all the Zionites had to do to avoid those deaths would have been to leave the area.  The sim was already gone and there was no real point for Zion to stick around anyway.  But instead they chose to act out and take down a few agents, killing bluepills in the process...and then they say something along the lines of 'we made them do it' because the Machines designed the agents to use bluepills that way. 

Ebola wrote:

And all the times Colt died was ignored in the screen shots too! ))

If you take a look at System chat, system broadcasts, team chat, and Colt falling or lying dead on the ground, you'll find clear evidence of four of his deaths visible in the screenshots.

<3

But Rare, the dead body in screenshots gets the point across more that the Machine's absolutely decimated poor Zion and Mr. Colt :p Thats all I was saying.

And Rou, we fought a lot more than two at once :p

*Listens to the crickets chirp while sitting on top of the corpses of Proc's and Croe's goats*

I lol'd

Come on, Ghost... it may be your mind that's a useful weapon, but there are other things useful too.

Say... Augumented Redpill Specials, for example?

The Zionites' killing of a few agents was nothing more than their little tantrum after the Morpheus sim escaped from them.  It's unfortunate that their childish anger led to the deaths of the agents' bluepill hosts, especially when all the Zionites had to do to avoid those deaths would have been to leave the area.  The sim was already gone and there was no real point for Zion to stick around anyway.  But instead they chose to act out and take down a few agents, killing bluepills in the process...and then they say something along the lines of 'we made them do it' because the Machines designed the agents to use bluepills that way. 

The thing is, Zion knows this -- they know that agents were designed that way, and that every time they kill an agent, it's really a bluepill that dies.  But they choose to do it anyway, even when (as in this incident) there is nothing to be gained.  They may claim it's in self defense or whatever to try to justify it, but it really boils down to this...

When an agent kills you, you don't really die.  So it's no big deal when this happens; you just reconstruct and come back, good as new.  So no matter if you fight or jump away, nothing permanent happens to you.

When you kill an agent, the agent doesn't really die, but his bluepill host does.  That bluepill is gone forever. 

You may whine and moan all you want about how it's the Machines' fault for making the agents that way, but you *knew* they were made that way too...you had the choice to jump away or leave the area or even to let the agent send you back to the loading area, but in the end it was *your* choice to take that human life.

Illyria

Blame US all you want for the death of blues through Agent kills, ultimately the Military decision to employ them makes you just as much responsible as us, even more so because you are there to PREVENT casualities, not PROVOKE them.

Instance: one of the three main power plant tower complexes in close proximity to the Machine City, commonly nicknamed Recursion, Syntax and Vector.

Recon button: a button on the operator console on the main deck of a hovercraft, which the operator presses to initiate the Emergency Jackout Procedure and return a Redpill to the Loading Area.

Gank: common slang from the 20th century, indicating overwhelming numbers in a fight

High Five: two people slapping their flat-palmed hands together in camaraderie, congratulation or celebration

(((Nothing OOC there, people are just trying to cause trouble by pointing out trivial irrelevancies.)))

The Zionites' killing of a few agents was nothing more than their little tantrum after the Morpheus sim escaped from them.  It's unfortunate that their childish anger led to the deaths of the agents' bluepill hosts, especially when all the Zionites had to do to avoid those deaths would have been to leave the area.  The sim was already gone and there was no real point for Zion to stick around anyway.  But instead they chose to act out and take down a few agents, killing bluepills in the process...and then they say something along the lines of 'we made them do it' because the Machines designed the agents to use bluepills that way. 

The thing is, Zion knows this -- they know that agents were designed that way, and that every time they kill an agent, it's really a bluepill that dies.  But they choose to do it anyway, even when (as in this incident) there is nothing to be gained.  They may claim it's in self defense or whatever to try to justify it, but it really boils down to this...

When an agent kills you, you don't really die.  So it's no big deal when this happens; you just reconstruct and come back, good as new.  So no matter if you fight or jump away, nothing permanent happens to you.

When you kill an agent, the agent doesn't really die, but his bluepill host does.  That bluepill is gone forever. 

You may whine and moan all you want about how it's the Machines' fault for making the agents that way, but you *knew* they were made that way too...you had the choice to jump away or leave the area or even to let the agent send you back to the loading area, but in the end it was *your* choice to take that human life.

Illyria

Who tracked down a bluepill potential, killed him, and replaced him with a drone again? Oh yeah, the Machines.
Who invades the bodies of the bluepills, effectively killing them if not putting them at danger (like they have a normal life, if any after that)? Oh yeah, the Machines.

Get off of your high horse and realize it's already been beaten to death.

Who tracked down a bluepill potential, killed him, and replaced him with a drone again? Oh yeah, the Machines.

Who invades the bodies of the bluepills, effectively killing them if not putting them at danger (like they have a normal life, if any after that)? Oh yeah, the Machines.

Get off of your high horse and realize it's already been beaten to death.

Neoteny wrote:

Who tracked down a bluepill potential, killed him, and replaced him with a drone again? Oh yeah, the Machines.

Who invades the bodies of the bluepills, effectively killing them if not putting them at danger (like they have a normal life, if any after that)? Oh yeah, the Machines.

Get off of your high horse and realize it's already been beaten to death.

Who tracked down a bluepill potential to test a new pill on him which killed him.... Oh yeah... Zion.

Who kills the bluepills who's presence's have been temporarily borrowed by Agent programs (which doesn't have any side effects to it that have been proven)? Oh yeah....

Need I go on?

Heh, we could bat this ball around all day. I also invite you to step down from your tall steed.

The example Neoteny provided was a murder. The example you provided was an accident due to a new pill structure, which only needed to be developed because of the Machines in the first place. No potentials are ever guaranteed to survive the transition in an awakening regardless, but does that mean we shouldn't try to help those who want out? You wanted out yourself once.. should you have been denied?

As far as the Agent programs are concerned... I think your problem is with free humans, not Zion. You've never seen a group of machinist operatives attacking an Agent before? Merovingian operatives? Cypherite operatives? I certainly have.

The example Neoteny provided was a murder. The example you provided was an accident due to a new pill structure, which only needed to be developed because of the Machines in the first place. No potentials are ever guaranteed to survive the transition in an awakening regardless, but does that mean we shouldn't try to help those who want out? You wanted out yourself once.. should you have been denied?

As far as the Agent programs are concerned... I think your problem is with free humans, not Zion. You've never seen a group of machinist operatives attacking an Agent before? Merovingian operatives? Cypherite operatives? I certainly have.