[8.2.3] Remember that we gave them a fight today - Syntax - 9/10/07

(( Well, meh. Now that I know the reason the Agents basically let us fight the threat alone was because in The Real the Code Pulse Bombs didn't really help the strike teams so I guess in a way it was biased, but had story to back up that reason. I was upset before mostly because it was obvious we were losing as Machinists, not only outnumbered but EPN had The Kid. The only thing that bugged me the most was how Zion didn't necessarily want to "defend" the bombs, but they wanted to "crowd" them so whatever chance we faced while being heavily outnumbered flew out the window when EPN/Zion just simply sat on the *CENSORED* bomb so none of us could click it. The lack of information on our side was astounding; trying to find Code Pulse Bombs all over Richland/Westview parks was pretty strenous, and it was obvious that EPN knew about their locations further ahead than we did. When we learned of the location they were already there or en route. From what I can see from the screenshots it seems there were a few that we completely missed out on. Although, once again, backed up via story line, so I guess I can't complain. Overall, now that I know the few fine details (mostly because I didn't want to risk standing beside that org-locked building) it was a decent event which seemed biased in a way. Zion's always had the numbers, and unfortunately numbers beats skill in this game. Agent Pace sent out quite a few global messages asking Machines to help, but it was really only about 7-10 against 20+ Zion and a LE character. I guess you lose some you win some.

<3 ))

'Apparently there was a whole division of Sentinels waiting in ambush.'

D'uh? Idiot.

(( Were the CPDs really supposed to affect communications between Sentinels? That doesn't make any sense. Sentinels guarding the power lines would be directed by the higher-ups in Zero-One, not by Agents from within the Matrix. Playing with the Matrix should not have any effect on Zero-One itself. ))

Aw, how unfortunate....

Pfft. As if you ever stood a chance.

Despite the outcome, it was a good effort by all those who aided operations from within the Matrix that night, under the coordinative guidance of Captains; LuciousBrujah, Orteko, ShiXinFeng and SEPET.

For those of our brothers and sisters who volunteered to go out there but were unable to make it back, they gave their all for their beliefs. They will be remembered for that, and as Michael himself has said, the fight all of us gave that day. We can only move forward from here.

~F

(( Were the CPDs really supposed to affect communications between Sentinels? That doesn't make any sense. Sentinels guarding the power lines would be directed by the higher-ups in Zero-One, not by Agents from within the Matrix. Playing with the Matrix should not have any effect on Zero-One itself. ))

Kid: we've been able to identify some subroutines we can hit to disrupt the communication of some Sentinel patrols around where our ship will be.

 Kid: Apparently there was a whole division of Sentinel waiting in ambush

Procurator im sure "analisys" is not your favourite matter, but if u start using your brain instead of your mouth, you'll find the CPD works well, and  the problem (the reason of the strike failure) is that the Sentinel where there yet... AWAITING us...

 If our surface Operation is a failure, in attempting of what no one tried before, our operation in the matrix was a excellent success, showing that no hostile force (machine, chyp or Merv), can stop EPN in our works.... we make blow many device without no one of you can prevent us in doing that.....

But now back to "analisys".....

If our strike in the real was a failure... your in the Matrix was a catastrophic proof of your incapacity to stop us.....

I know I know ...... "analisys" is not your favourite matters....

Kid: we've been able to identify some subroutines we can hit to disrupt the communication of some Sentinel patrols around where our ship will be.

 Kid: Apparently there was a whole division of Sentinel waiting in ambush

Procurator im sure "analisys" is not your favourite matter, but if u start using your brain instead of your mouth, you'll find the CPD works well, and  the problem (the reason of the strike failure) is that the Sentinel where there yet... AWAITING us...

 If our surface Operation is a failure, in attempting of what no one tried before, our operation in the matrix was a excellent success, showing that no hostile force (machine, chyp or Merv), can stop EPN in our works.... we make blow many device without no one of you can prevent us in doing that.....

But now back to "analisys".....

If our strike in the real was a failure... your in the Matrix was a catastrophic proof of your incapacity to stop us.....

I know I know ...... "analisys" is not your favourite matters....

(( ...

You know what OOC means, right? The double brackets mean I'm out of character. Try using your brain. Or your eyes.

And my point was that the Matrix shouldn't affect the Sentinels. The subroutines mentioned by the Kid in your first quote shouldn't even exist, if sense is employed when making up these stories. ))

(( first of all i want make my apologize, i wanna excuse if it seem that i want to offend you or other in OOC, is not my intention, but if it seem so is my fault. In fact i use posting on forum typing in notepad before and copy paste in the forum then, and doing this i accidentaly deleted in my first quote the first part of your post, and exactely this part : "'Apparently there was a whole division of Sentinels waiting in ambush.'

D'uh? Idiot." wicht im referring with my offensive post IC.

for this fault i apologize again with you, is not my intetions.

referring to your point of view, i think if within the matrix  an agent can call a strike in the real targeting an Hvcft (like smith do after the escape of morpheus in  the first movie), then should exist some routine of comunication between the simulation and the control center of the sentinels in 01, now what if CPD could act to this routine making belive to the control center of the sentinels that the Hvcft is striking in another place the power line?What if the control center receive an order of strike from what it think is an agent or something like that?? My point of view is that that matrix is strictly connected  with the 01 real, so not all that happen in the matrix will not affect the real.

excuseme again for the misunderstanding i hope it will not happen again...))

 Told this..... you damned machine sucks!!! LOLOLOLOLOL

((sorry for my english, but im just a poor italian boy.... ))

Failure can be more instructive than victory.

As for Michael's leadership, you choose the most qualified people who are willing to do the job, that know the risks. The difficult position thing is to order someone to carry out a job that will result in their death in order to preserve the rest of the outfit.

((U-571 reference. Good movie, too.))

((sorry for my english, but im just a poor italian boy.... " />))

((Non c'è nessun problema, partecipare e l’ importante!))

((O.o looked like a good one))

Heh When will you learn?

Striking the powerlines is a double-edged sword. The data connection to the Matrix is nothing else than energy, too. If you strike the energy lines, disrupt them, every disruption will kill thousands of blues.

Not only that the powerlines could be the datalines, there's also what is called feeback. If the powerlines are disrupted, where will the now free energy flow? Short-circuit and another thousand blues will be killed.

Like any terrorist organization, EPN is willing to sacrifice the lives of the unbelievers (or in this case, the unawakened) to further their own goals.

Illyria

The Power line run FROM the production tower (where the blues are) TO 01 City, we do not short circuit anything, cutting a line can cause only a fall of voltage on the line, like a flick of the switch it affect only the load (01) not the source (pod).

 If you have a battery and u turn off a switch did the battery will harm?

The Power line run FROM the production tower (where the blues are) TO 01 City, we do not short circuit anything, cutting a line can cause only a fall of voltage on the line, like a flick of the switch it affect only the load (01) not the source (pod).

 If you have a battery and u turn off a switch did the battery will harm?

((I'm pretty sure it was mentioned somewhere that the pods are self sustaining, which is why the powerlines were targetted. That way any action taken against them would not harm the pods. Chances are the Pod and powerlines setup is a little more complex than any simple circuit. Either way, we don't really have the proper information to argue about what would happen to the pods, other than as I had said, the possibilty that it was confirmed this wouldn't harm the pods. Not claiming to know for sure, just trying to help the discussion.))

GoDGiVeR wrote:

Striking the powerlines is a double-edged sword. The data connection to the Matrix is nothing else than energy, too. If you strike the energy lines, disrupt them, every disruption will kill thousands of blues.

Not only that the powerlines could be the datalines, there's also what is called feeback. If the powerlines are disrupted, where will the now free energy flow? Short-circuit and another thousand blues will be killed.

Like any terrorist organization, EPN is willing to sacrifice the lives of the unbelievers (or in this case, the unawakened) to further their own goals.

Illyria

Do your homework before opening your hyperjumping mouth. God, I don't think you all are even trying with your propaganda anymore. Allow me break it down into simple terms for you, since you can't figure it out yourself.

A drunk driver is speeding down the road, he loses control, he hits a power pole, causing it to fall down. The entire neighborhood goes dark. The power plant is still producing power because the fallen pole was powering the neighborhood, not the plant. The plant generates its own power.

The more you know.

Good to see you're still around, preacher.

I was beginning to think you had fallen into a hole or something. . .

Illyria22 wrote:

GoDGiVeR wrote:

Striking the powerlines is a double-edged sword. The data connection to the Matrix is nothing else than energy, too. If you strike the energy lines, disrupt them, every disruption will kill thousands of blues.

Not only that the powerlines could be the datalines, there's also what is called feeback. If the powerlines are disrupted, where will the now free energy flow? Short-circuit and another thousand blues will be killed.

Like any terrorist organization, EPN is willing to sacrifice the lives of the unbelievers (or in this case, the unawakened) to further their own goals.

Illyria

Do your homework before opening your hyperjumping mouth. God, I don't think you all are even trying with your propaganda anymore. Allow me break it down into simple terms for you, since you can't figure it out yourself.

A drunk driver is speeding down the road, he loses control, he hits a power pole, causing it to fall down. The entire neighborhood goes dark. The power plant is still producing power because the fallen pole was powering the neighborhood, not the plant. The plant generates its own power.

The more you know.

The Machines are responsible for running and maintaining the Matrix - the reality in which the Bluepills live. Any harm to one inevitably affects the other.

This is not correct,

in fact  the true state of things is, that the machine are responsible for binding human race extracting from them the energy that the same machine need to continue exist. 

Any harm to the power line mean let the machine know that they can't continue  exploits human race binding them in a big LIE, mean let them know that if they want use men they need to ask and not to take, mean that them have to act like they have equal right to exist  in the real than the men have, mean that a truce have to be an unconditionated truce, not a mockery like the one we left behind us.

The key of the future is coexistence, equal right in a free world for men machine and exile, like Neo Dream, that sacrifice for all the three race.

So, if you know where the powerlines run, where are the datalines? Maybe they are the same? Ever thought about that?

-GG

Data and Power walking side by side?? The power line are not 5 Volts DC current, the interference on data if they walk side by side will be very huge.

Why you think the machine build the towers so far from the 01 city? Why not building inside their stronghold, wasting mile and mile of wire and work to bring the energy in 01?

Machine proof men to resist nuclear explosion in the past,  so what let them fear to build The towers with it's kind of "natural" energy withinn home?

And remember the simulation is a broadcast net, we exploit this "by air network" to send our pirate signal inside it.

Data and power surge will not go side by side, as electronic device and EMPD.

The key of the future is coexistence, equal right in a free world for men machine and exile, like Neo Dream, that sacrifice for all the three race.

So, if you know where the powerlines run, where are the datalines? Maybe they are the same? Ever thought about that?

Or that maybe they run alongside each other?  (Why bother building separate sets of cable lines that go in separate directions but then loop around to the same place?)

Illyria

kou_urake wrote:

The Machines are responsible for running and maintaining the Matrix - the reality in which the Bluepills live. Any harm to one inevitably affects the other.

This is not correct,

in fact  the true state of things is, that the machine are responsible for binding human race extracting from them the energy that the same machine need to continue exist. 

This is true - the same energy would go to waste - they aren't taking anything Humans would actually use.

Any harm to the power line mean let the machine know that they can't continue  exploits human race binding them in a big LIE, mean let them know that if they want use men they need to ask and not to take, mean that them have to act like they have equal right to exist  in the real than the men have, mean that a truce have to be an unconditionated truce, not a mockery like the one we left behind us.

Not even sure where to begin on this one. Yes, the Matrix is a lie - a lie that 99% of the people within are perfectly comfortable with accepting - why would you force a truth upon them that they wouldn't accept?  The Machines acknowle the human race's right to exist by their own existance - the Machines need us to survive.  You mistakenly associate their conflict with Zion and related insurgent groups as a conflict with the human race.  Remember that it was Zion's failure to inform its citizens of its illegal fortress that led to the end of peace - the Council's lies brought this upon them.

The key of the future is coexistence, equal right in a free world for men machine and exile, like Neo Dream, that sacrifice for all the three race.

Three? Humans, Machines... that's about it. But I do agree with you - it's a shame you're doing such a horrible way of expressing your desire/

Here is a 20mb video that I made for your enjoyment.

CLICKY-> CODE PULSE GROOVE

This experience will get us that much closer to shutting down the machines.  Rome wasn't built in a day.

~ Hydrazine

SEPET wrote:

kou_urake wrote:

The Machines are responsible for running and maintaining the Matrix - the reality in which the Bluepills live. Any harm to one inevitably affects the other.

This is not correct,

in fact  the true state of things is, that the machine are responsible for binding human race extracting from them the energy that the same machine need to continue exist. 

This is true - the same energy would go to waste - they aren't taking anything Humans would actually use.

Im sure that if i come every day extracting from u a quantity of blood that your body produce without asking  you the permission, just taking it you will be happy cause without extract it noone  could use it....

Any harm to the power line mean let the machine know that they can't continue  exploits human race binding them in a big LIE, mean let them know that if they want use men they need to ask and not to take, mean that them have to act like they have equal right to exist  in the real than the men have, mean that a truce have to be an unconditionated truce, not a mockery like the one we left behind us.

Not even sure where to begin on this one. Yes, the Matrix is a lie - a lie that 99% of the people within are perfectly comfortable with accepting - why would you force a truth upon them that they wouldn't accept?  The Machines acknowle the human race's right to exist by their own existance - the Machines need us to survive.  You mistakenly associate their conflict with Zion and related insurgent groups as a conflict with the human race.  Remember that it was Zion's failure to inform its citizens of its illegal fortress that led to the end of peace - the Council's lies brought this upon them.

Why don't let all the pod connected to choose if they want to stiil live in a Lie, there are million of people that can't never be aware of the simulation, if the machine really want to help humanity, have to transform what now is at all effect a cage, in a crysalis, but not for 1% for all, remeber human race have the right to live free than the machine have 

The key of the future is coexistence, equal right in a free world for men machine and exile, like Neo Dream, that sacrifice for all the three race.

Three? Humans, Machines... that's about it. But I do agree with you - it's a shame you're doing such a horrible way of expressing your desire/

Typically of a machinist mind..... you consider what is not a machine to be an inferior for of life... Exile are program that want still to live, program the machine choose to delete cause there is no mor use for them...

But the machine always act like this, they get, they take, without asking..... and u call "an horrible way of expressing your desire" what we do with our op???

I think the awful way to express the want of coexistence, is continuing to act like the machine are superior, like them have the righ to dispose of all men (yes you too starsch) like the want....

They need to know there is people here that not stay watch, they need to know Men are awake, and ready to fight for freedom!

"Remember we gave them a fight today"

That is Mr. Popper's battle call.

What he and those who serve his regime fail, or simply do not care to realize is they're waging war with the only organization truly interested in the survival of both races.

It was mankind who declared war on AI. It was mankind who destroyed the sky. It was mankind that broke the truce Neo created.

Man. Not Machine.

The planet is ruined, the nourishment needed to maintain organic life destroyed. The situation is so severe the remains of the human race have had to build their city as close to the Earth's core to ensure they have life sustaining temperatures.

What those of you under Mr. Popper's banner, as well as those of you serving under New-Zion, fail to comprehend is that those asleep in their pods live under the protection of the Machines. They're provided protection from the hardships and realities that are not easily carried by even the most seasoned of operatives. The Matrix is not a form of forced servitude; but an alternate reality in which life as we knew it is allowed to carry on. Humans do indeed provide the energy needed to maintain machine life, but that same energy provides power to the Matrix which in turn ensures the survival of the human race.

The Machines are not here to destroy us, nor force us into any kind of servitude. They simply provide the means necessary to exist and attacking the Machine city, like our ancestors before us, could potentially cause our race to finally meet its end. An end that has been avoided numerous times thanks to the Machines.

Surely if they willed it so the human race would be gone by now, but instead they continue to allow us chance after chance to evolve into more than a simple race of warmongers hell bent on re-establishing dominance over a dead world. We're allowed the continuance of Zion from iteration to iteration of the simulation in hopes of the ‘One' finding those truly capable and willing to work hand-in-hand with the machines to restore the planet and bring about a lasting peace between our two races.

So here I declare my retort to Mr. Popper and those of you belonging to EPN and New-Zion.

"Remember. The simulation continued is preservation of both the Machine and Human races."

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SEPET wrote: They need to know there is people here that not stay watch, they need to know Men are awake, and ready to fight for freedom!

The Commissioner responds: There is a difference between fighting for freedom and fighting for dominance. No further awakenings were to be allowed because New-Zion is bringing death upon those inside their city walls. Having removed free access to awaken blue-pills the Machines have ensured no further human casualties. Yes, men and women are awake.. but awake and aware, again, are different.

"Remember we gave them a fight today"

That is Mr. Popper's battle call.

What he and those who serve his regime fail, or simply do not care to realize is they're waging war with the only organization truly interested in the survival of both races.

It was mankind who declared war on AI. It was mankind who destroyed the sky. It was mankind that broke the truce Neo created.

Man. Not Machine.

Yes but not the actual men, it was B166er the first machine to kill a man, but i never think that all the machine are responsable of that death.... who is the first, who start it all.... this don't lead nowhere, what we have here is the actual mmachine are binding the actual men in chain , what let you think that you (machine)  can own the right to choose what is right or waht is wrong???  The truce where broken when machine find that they are loosing control of men, casue they want to be the dominator on planet surface.

The planet is ruined, the nourishment needed to maintain organic life destroyed. The situation is so severe the remains of the human race have had to build their city as close to the Earth's core to ensure they have life sustaining temperatures.

Why to not work together to clean the sky, maybe cause with the little excuse of "men can't manage byself their life", machine take the control above all?

What those of you under Mr. Popper's banner, as well as those of you serving under New-Zion, fail to comprehend is that those asleep in their pods live under the protection of the Machines. They're provided protection from the hardships and realities that are not easily carried by even the most seasoned of operatives. The Matrix is not a form of forced servitude; but an alternate reality in which life as we knew it is allowed to carry on. Humans do indeed provide the energy needed to maintain machine life, but that same energy provides power to the Matrix which in turn ensures the survival of the human race.

So why to not let choose EVERYONE to be aware... again lie that try to hide your need of control above all.... 

The Machines are not here to destroy us, nor force us into any kind of servitude. They simply provide the means necessary to exist and attacking the Machine city, like our ancestors before us, could potentially cause our race to finally meet its end. An end that has been avoided numerous times thanks to the Machines.

Maybe or maybe not... maybe when machine find to be not superior (like the men in past find themself), then they understand that not all need to be in  control of them to still exist 

Surely if they willed it so the human race would be gone by now, but instead they continue to allow us chance after chance to evolve into more than a simple race of warmongers hell bent on re-establishing dominance over a dead world. We're allowed the continuance of Zion from iteration to iteration of the simulation in hopes of the ‘One' finding those truly capable and willing to work hand-in-hand with the machines to restore the planet and bring about a lasting peace between our two races.

So here I declare my retort to Mr. Popper and those of you belonging to EPN and New-Zion.

"Remember. The simulation continued is preservation of both the Machine and Human races."

Yes but a preservation dominated by machine, men have the right to live free a choose them destiny not cotrolled by anyone 

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SEPET wrote: They need to know there is people here that not stay watch, they need to know Men are awake, and ready to fight for freedom!

The Commissioner responds: There is a difference between fighting for freedom and fighting for dominance. No further awakenings were to be allowed because New-Zion is bringing death upon those inside their city walls. Having removed free access to awaken blue-pills the Machines have ensured no further human casualties. Yes, men and women are awake.. but awake and aware, again, are different.

With an aware choice to ALL men in the simulation, no more bluepill casuality will affect the matrix, so now answer me who is fighting for dominance?

((powerline cause big interference on data signal when the wire is near each other, you can shield the data cable  but we are talknig bout very huge power line , very huge power, so very huge interference))

Next time you send men and women who trust you out into combat, you should be aware that we have many means of defense in the real world. Kid, does it get easier to make mistakes that cause your own people their doom... or harder?

GQubed wrote:

Next time you send men and women who trust you out into combat, you should be aware that we have many means of defense in the real world. Kid, does it get easier to make mistakes that cause your own people their doom... or harder?

Those who went, died knowing the risk involved. They died for what they believed in!

Havocide wrote:

GQubed wrote:

Next time you send men and women who trust you out into combat, you should be aware that we have many means of defense in the real world. Kid, does it get easier to make mistakes that cause your own people their doom... or harder?

Those who went, died knowing the risk involved. They died for what they believed in!

No. They went to deaths, fully aware that their plan would fail and that they would die. They were simply propelled by blind faith, and stirring words. Morale may be important, but I say Strategy takes precedent.

You can 'try and try again' but eventually you'll run out of hopeless devotees.

Because you are irrational and, like I said, propelled by blind faith and stirring words. Those who chose to go did indeed choose their own fate.

They chose to die, and you chose to send them to die.

All I see is yet another ill-advised march to death, sanctioned by a 'leader' who is, as Pblade mentioned, motivated by blind faith.

I lied, I see two things.  The second one is EPN's failure to overthrow the 'evil' machines through malicious means. 

Why you persist in using the people you claim to protect as collateral is beyond me.  Why they do their part willingly, is even farther beyond my understanding.

You will die before you learn.  Whilst that gets no one anywhere, I find it increasingly difficult to surmise that Zion at large wouldn't be better off without their renegade albatross.

Needless to say, the Cyph org will be there to put the pressure of reality on the kiddies and Zionist.