[8.2.3] Remember that we gave them a fight today - Syntax - 9/10/07

SEPET wrote:

With an aware choice to ALL men in the simulation, no more bluepill casuality will affect the matrix, so now answer me who is fighting for dominance?

The Commissioner responds:

My statement wasn't aimed toward blue-pill casualties inside the simulation, my point was that an action was taken to ensure blue-pills, who made no offense in this conflict, would not be subjected to the hardships soon to come in this war.

Zion/New-Zion/EPN only care about destroying the Machines, there is no middle ground in thier aims. Where as the Machines continue to devote time and effort to the continuance of the human race.

'Who is fighting for dominance?'

You have my answer.

So your Commander asked for volounters? He was essentially asking people to go to their deaths. As for people choosing to go. Well then, the problem would appear to be much more than choice....

This Operation had far too low a chance of success, it should never have been employed. It was a knee-jerk reaction, and its total failure displays this.

Sometimes I wonder how much longer Kiddies and Zionist can do the 'rar rar, we will win one of these days!" attitude before being crushed by the weight of reality.

MetaLogic wrote:

Sometimes I wonder how much longer Kiddies and Zionist can do the 'rar rar, we will win one of these days!" attitude before being crushed by the weight of reality.

As long as we have hope, we will continue to fight. And there is always cause for hope.
(This attitude may seem incomprehensible to the coalition of defeatists who call themselves the Cypherites, and the Machines, who listen only to ther sole master, logic, while ignoring one of their greatest weakness', the belief that human emotion is itself a weakness.)

The only way forward is together.

Illyria

SEPET wrote:

With an aware choice to ALL men in the simulation, no more bluepill casuality will affect the matrix, so now answer me who is fighting for dominance?

The Commissioner responds:

My statement wasn't aimed toward blue-pill casualties inside the simulation, my point was that an action was taken to ensure blue-pills, who made no offense in this conflict, would not be subjected to the hardships soon to come in this war.

Zion/New-Zion/EPN only care about destroying the Machines, there is no middle ground in thier aims. Where as the Machines continue to devote time and effort to the continuance of the human race.

Do u think our target was choosen randomly? Don't u never ask why the power line? the strike was  trgeting the power line cause that energy is STOLEN from men, we not only care to destroy the machine, we care the freedom of human race, we care the right to have a choice, and if to have it we have to switch off the machine city powered with the energy they stole from binding men..... well we'll do it, i can assure u.

The only reason why the machine "devote" (oh my god thi term is very theatrical....) time in continuance of human race.... is cause they need our energy to live, and them choose the more pervers ((is this the word for??)) way to do this, machine bid men in unaware slavery , like the men long time ago do with machine...machine hate more than human it seems... so don't tell me about "devote", they do what they do just cause they need to do that....

The only way forward is together as long as we're totally in control and can dispose of those whom we control.

Illyria

(lengthly) Fixed for hidden meaning and 'truthness'.

-Dedatorus

Sometimes control is necessary to keep people from hurting themselves or others.  Remember what happened in the former Yugoslavia when that control was lifted...its citizens went back to their old vendettas against those of different ethnic and religious backgrounds.  People who'd lived together as neighbors for years were suddenly the targets of each others' ethnic cleansing.  Control that keeps different groups from killing each other isn't necessarily evil, you know.

Illyria

TheMagus wrote:

MetaLogic wrote:

Sometimes I wonder how much longer Kiddies and Zionist can do the 'rar rar, we will win one of these days!" attitude before being crushed by the weight of reality.

As long as we have hope, we will continue to fight. And there is always cause for hope.
(This attitude may seem incomprehensible to the coalition of defeatists who call themselves the Cypherites, and the Machines, who listen only to ther sole master, logic, while ignoring one of their greatest weakness', the belief that human emotion is itself a weakness.)

You don't get it do you, you honestly do not do you?  Zion and EPN have already lost, they lost when the machines signed the surrender papers at the UN at the end of the first man/machine war.  Face it, the human race are no longer the dominant species on this planet.  If you think you'll become the dominant species again, then I have a bridge in former Brooklyn to sell you.  The machines have tried the peaceful co-existent route, and I think we all know how well that ended.  Let's be honest with ourselves, Zion has been destroyed five times in the past.  Now the sixth time is inevitable.  Humans will never be the dominant species on the planet again, and they'll never control or bring down the simulation.  The day the Kiddies and Zionist can realize that is the day that we may actually make some progress.

I, would gladly live in a time of peace, were neither humans nor machines had to fear attacks from the other, were humankind and machine kind worked together to try to make the future a better place to live in. But, as I have already stated, this will never happen unless the machines make steps for peace. And if there is one thing we can see from the machines dissolution of the truce, it’s that they hunger for war, not peace.

Did you catch the implication of that statement Meta old boy? If not, then let me clarify: I don't give a shite about humans becoming the dominant race on the planet. There are so few of us out here (or perhaps "down here" would be more appropriate?) that it would take many centuries for there even to be enough of us to populate a sizable chunk of earth. The best way for mankind to make the earth a bit more habitable again, would probably be to work with the machines. But that’s not going to happen, because as you said, we do know how well the machines attempt at what you call "the peaceful co-existent route" went. They dissolved the truce that gave us some small semblance of peace at the first opportunity, and instead immediately went to war when a good opportunity presented itself.

As you can see then, according to you we're ready to "actually make some progress." Perhaps you could get ready as well, and not just spew out a load of hypocritical rubbish, and instead let well formed out and reasonable arguments come from your head.

We'd all appreciate the change.

Really.

Archangel wrote:

Illyria22 wrote:

GoDGiVeR wrote:

Striking the powerlines is a double-edged sword. The data connection to the Matrix is nothing else than energy, too. If you strike the energy lines, disrupt them, every disruption will kill thousands of blues.

Not only that the powerlines could be the datalines, there's also what is called feeback. If the powerlines are disrupted, where will the now free energy flow? Short-circuit and another thousand blues will be killed.

Like any terrorist organization, EPN is willing to sacrifice the lives of the unbelievers (or in this case, the unawakened) to further their own goals.

Illyria

Do your homework before opening your hyperjumping mouth. God, I don't think you all are even trying with your propaganda anymore. Allow me break it down into simple terms for you, since you can't figure it out yourself.

A drunk driver is speeding down the road, he loses control, he hits a power pole, causing it to fall down. The entire neighborhood goes dark. The power plant is still producing power because the fallen pole was powering the neighborhood, not the plant. The plant generates its own power.

The more you know.

So, if you know where the powerlines run, where are the datalines? Maybe they are the same? Ever thought about that?

-GG

What data lines? Do you mean the ones that bring the Matrix feed to the blues? If you do, that's an entirely irrelevant point because they would be housed internally seeing as they are part of the plant itself.

The Matrix itself is part of the power plant, the power generating facility. The generated output would then run from the plant to 01 itself. The only thing that gets disrupted is the output, not the input. The blues can't be harmed from shutting down output lines. It would have to be an attack on the plant itself, disrupting the feed from the Matrix to the blues to actually harm the blues.

Nice!  I had no idea that Archangel had a degree in Matrix power-line engineering.  We're all winners!!

GG

Nice!  I had no idea that Archangel had a degree in Matrix power-line engineering.  We're all winners!!

GG

I'm just using a real world example. A power plant generates the power. Even if the lines are not there, the plant will still be generating said power.

Look at it this way

Power Plant:

Matrix Server generates the reality in which the blues live, it would be connected to the pods, the blues in turn generate energy which is then channelled from the pods via power lines to other Machine locations (01, etc.)

Even with all this speculation on the nature of the power lines and how data is stored and transferred, the truth is that none of us really know.  Remember that whenever any redpill assures us that their particular view of Matrix mechanics is the right one.

Illyria