Merge
426 posts · 2008-11-17 12:09:20 to 2009-04-29 05:03:09
Mindsweep wrote:
If we can't have a merge, we can fight in here
*punt*
PS10N wrote:
Vosiler wrote:
rec - dead only the lifeless zombies who insist the game is alive and has a future which infact is has none at all a merge would temp cure the prob game over ladies even soe have gave up on the game W_T_F does that tell you? lol maybe the players left shoul dstop wasting there money and come darkfall online with me
Well, from what I can understand of this around the lack of punctuation, grammar and spelling, it's just an ignorant rant to support a personal, prejudicial bias that is disproven by the fact that there are dozens of people having fun on Recursion every day.
this is crap its not a personal prejudical bais at all and dozens of people having fun every day?
LOL seriously dozens over 24 hours is no where near enough for this game to be even called a mmo its a dead server and dying game, even the fourm wh0res are depleeting what does that tell you?
a merge would be amazing but will never happen soe dont give a d-a-m-n about mxo, i dont see why the mods even let this thread go on its just flameing and baiting for people who have nothing better to do that argue over a waste of money game.
alt="Photobucket">LESIG event on Recursion, April 13th, 2009, around 7 PM MCT. Later that night there was a big party at Poly Vinyl.
Once again, the facts disprove those pushing their personal prejudices and totally invalidating the lie that "Recursion (or MxO) is dead." You can't call something dead that shows signs of lively fun every day. Well, you can, but you're just proven wrong every time something live, like this LESIG event, happens.
Rofl, of course the population picks up with planned events. I think most people are talking about general day to day population outside those events.
Perhaps Recursion isn't dead, but all the events hosted there (and not hosted on Syntax or Vector) are simply life support. Lets hope nobody trips on the plug.
Villemar_MxO wrote:
Oh wow, I had abandoned my Recursion characters because I stopped seeing anyone on that server. But apparently per you, that was just my imagination. Maybe when I went to Mara and didn't see anyone they were all in sneak. Also, all of my recursion friends are no longer listed as online on my buddy list. It must be a techical malfunction. You ought to /CCR that since apparently everyone actually *is* on. Also, you might want to /CCR the fact that the server population is on "Low", obviously based on what you've said it isnt.
No one hangs out at Mara Central any more; there is very little reason to. It's fully understandable how someone who sits at Mara expecting things to come to them and center on them would be very disappointed on Recursion. The experiences of players who are out in the world making their own fun are of course much different. Maybe all the great times we've been having on Recursion this month are in your imagination? I'm not too worried about that, as every day during my work shift, people are constantly IMing me on Station Launcher, letting me know what's happening and urging me to join them. Your experiences are no doubt different, as it would be necessary to continue making new friends and adding people to your Buddy List as the population shifts, rather than being deceived by out dated data into thinking that no one is active because no one you know is active.
Let's not ask each other if Recursion is active, live and fun, let's ask Vericon, Setsura, PinkPixie, Airiez, Cookie, Dulux, LeMage, Greenon, Heero, BadKiity, Aeolon, Mustachio, WarWizard, SusanB, Traeladora, C0ldWhiteLight, DrkMagic, TwoGunGamble, Conrac, Ajing, or any of the Lords of War, Exemplar Triune, The Brethren or Warriors of Valor.
The fun isn't in the game, it isn't locked in a room at SOE, it isn't waiting on a server ready to leap through your internet connection. It won't magically appear if there is a server merge. The fun is either in you or it isn't, and if you can't have fun on Recursion because the active population only goes to Mara between all the things we're busy doing, then you're free to have your main on Syntax where Mara C is where it's at, everyone is one of the crowd, and there's no reason to ever go anywhere else in the city because the fun comes to you 24/7/365. Doesn't it?
While the LESIG event was at Mara C, (understandable given the general false prejudice that if it's not at Mara C, it's not happening) meetings, faction RP and RPvP events don't happen there. (Neither do Parties, Hardline Tours, Access Node Hunts, Exile Hideout Raids, Gang Token Collecting, Critical Missioning, Standard Missioning, Exile Contact Missioning, Archive Missioning, Archive Construct Excursions, Datamine Farming, Organization Outpost Excursions, Questing, Coding Sessions, Bit Farming, Red Frag Farming, Sightseeing, Roleplaying, or most LESIG Events.) There is a huge city with wide variety to stage RPvP or whatever the event calls for. Every day there is something going on and we are always having to split teams because there's too many involved to keep it to 3 or 4 teams. The server population has been on Low (I never said it wasn't - how did you assume that?) since many months before "The New Approach" so, that's no different from any other MxO day. What is different is this: many people can and do have fun on Recursion every day, and anyone else's inability to do so does not disprove that.
We're expecting close to 20 people at the next Zion meeting, where activities for the coming week will be planned. Those involved will have a blast, those who aren't involved will continue to think that there is nothing going on because they failed to participate.
What's the reason to report a post to get it deleted, then to quote and reply to it?
I didn't report Villemar's post. There wasn't anything in it that was inappropriate; in fact I'm glad he posted it because there could be no rational debate without an opposing viewpoint.
Go forbid I should try to lighten things up with a little clean, silly humor. Back to negativity I guess?
PS10N wrote:
I didn't report Villemar's post. There wasn't anything in it that was inappropriate; in fact I'm glad he posted it because there could be no rational debate without an opposing viewpoint.
No it was a silly post, not the one upthread. I appreciate your POV, and don't mean to mindly bash, just playing Devil's Advocate. Like you say, no rational debate w/o opposing viewpoint. Actually I'm a Vectorite and there is a lot going on if you know where to look.
It's cool, Villemar. I appreciate your humor because it allowed a springboard to make a point. <*-sproing-*> Vector, what's that? JUST KIDDING! But seriously folks, Vector is a whole other world, and I think Vectorites know better than any Syntaxian or Recursionite that the play is how, where and when you make it.
Also, a big THANK YOU to the perpetrators of The Detective Stories; PinkPixie reports that nearly 30 people were mixing it up in Chelsea and later got event rewards for their participation.
Syntax is where all the forum wh0res go, which is why everyone on the forum says it's hoppin'. The people who play on Recursion these days hardly ever come to the forums, which is why the people on the forums say it's dead.
I rarely log into MxO period, but from what I'm reading, that's what it seems to be. If Syntax and Recursion were merged, then we wouldn't really need to worry about it. Vector could be merged as well, but I don't think the Vectorites would like playing on a non-hostile ruleset.
PS10N wrote:
It's cool, Villemar. I appreciate your humor because it allowed a springboard to make a point. <*-sproing-*> Vector, what's that? JUST KIDDING! But seriously folks, Vector is a whole other world, and I think Vectorites know better than any Syntaxian or Recursionite that the play is how, where and when you make it.
Also, a big THANK YOU to the perpetrators of The Detective Stories; PinkPixie reports that nearly 30 people were mixing it up in Chelsea and later got event rewards for their participation.
I know what u mean PS. Me, ThePiggy and DrkMagic are the story characters of The Detective Stories and i think its great to see so many people participating and there was alot of people at chelsea other night that was fantastic. There is quite alot of people left on recursion not as many as syntax but still alot just they never hang around mara or nothing there always somewhere doing something thats why it always looks dead. If you want to join in The Detective Stories Send a tell to craftyzee(me) ThePiggy or DrkMagic/WhtMagic and come have some fun
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Oh lawd, i think you all have forgotten what this topic was about.
What are recursionites trying to say, no need for merge? It sure sounds like that when you're defending your server's lack of activity in a merge discussion thread.
Seriously, what kind of impression would this thread give a merger dev team if they ever were to be assigned to go work on mxo for a bit?
I'm also going to add, that i like many have played the game since 2005, i've seen certain servers die down at times i've seen servers flourish at times, Recursion is dead and why you would try and dispute that in a thread spanning 36 pages discussing a merge, which is much needed for the game i'll never know.
It's never going to happen surely by now you must realise that moaning hasnt done anything either, Walrus still hasnt replied after all this time with his Producers letter, you have heard nothing meaningful from any SOE representative since Rarebit left the game, and it's not likely for them to spend resources on Mxo anymore especially for a merge.
The only thing you're really doing is putting new players off from trying the game with your constant negativity and "crying" on the game forums.
Yes you have the right to Complain and express your opinion, but if you're going to do it over and over on the forums you're better off taking your money elsewhere.
Endomorph wrote:
I'm also going to add, that i like many have played the game since 2005, i've seen certain servers die down at times i've seen servers flourish at times, Recursion is dead and why you would try and dispute that in a thread spanning 36 pages discussing a merge, which is much needed for the game i'll never know.
It's never going to happen surely by now you must realise that moaning hasnt done anything either, Walrus still hasnt replied after all this time with his Producers letter, you have heard nothing meaningful from any SOE representative since Rarebit left the game, and it's not likely for them to spend resources on Mxo anymore especially for a merge.
The only thing you're really doing is putting new players off from trying the game with your constant negativity and "crying" on the game forums.
Yes you have the right to Complain and express your opinion, but if you're going to do it over and over on the forums you're better off taking your money elsewhere.
Actually its become pretty much a consensus, that there be a server merge, which is nice because we're all pretty much on the same page. If there's a 0.0001% chance of SOE doing a merge, that is if they are serious about maintaining this game's functionality (even if its a "Legacy" or "Attic" game at this point), then how is that a bad thing? If not, maybe we should close the "Development Roundtable" section entirely.
Villemar_MxO wrote:
Endomorph wrote:
I'm also going to add, that i like many have played the game since 2005, i've seen certain servers die down at times i've seen servers flourish at times, Recursion is dead and why you would try and dispute that in a thread spanning 36 pages discussing a merge, which is much needed for the game i'll never know.
It's never going to happen surely by now you must realise that moaning hasnt done anything either, Walrus still hasnt replied after all this time with his Producers letter, you have heard nothing meaningful from any SOE representative since Rarebit left the game, and it's not likely for them to spend resources on Mxo anymore especially for a merge.
The only thing you're really doing is putting new players off from trying the game with your constant negativity and "crying" on the game forums.
Yes you have the right to Complain and express your opinion, but if you're going to do it over and over on the forums you're better off taking your money elsewhere.
Actually its become pretty much a consensus, that there be a server merge, which is nice because we're all pretty much on the same page.
That's good, but you still have people posting defending there servers activity which isnt so good if you're asking for a merge.
If there's a 0.0001% chance of SOE doing a merge, that is if they are serious about maintaining this game's functionality (even if its a "Legacy" or "Attic" game at this point), then how is that a bad thing?
Asking for a merge isnt the problem it's more to the fact that everyone feels the need to complain about it as often and in any thread they can, it's easier just to bring it to Virrago's attention or PM him on a regular basis to see if he has any news and let him be our voice, he is our middle man.
Like i said all the complaining over and over in 20 different threads is only putting off new players.
If not, maybe we should close the "Development Roundtable" section entirely.
No Developer - No reason to discuss ideas for Development.
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Endomorph wrote:
Villemar_MxO wrote:
Endomorph wrote:
I'm also going to add, that i like many have played the game since 2005, i've seen certain servers die down at times i've seen servers flourish at times, Recursion is dead and why you would try and dispute that in a thread spanning 36 pages discussing a merge, which is much needed for the game i'll never know.
It's never going to happen surely by now you must realise that moaning hasnt done anything either, Walrus still hasnt replied after all this time with his Producers letter, you have heard nothing meaningful from any SOE representative since Rarebit left the game, and it's not likely for them to spend resources on Mxo anymore especially for a merge.
The only thing you're really doing is putting new players off from trying the game with your constant negativity and "crying" on the game forums.
Yes you have the right to Complain and express your opinion, but if you're going to do it over and over on the forums you're better off taking your money elsewhere.
Actually its become pretty much a consensus, that there be a server merge, which is nice because we're all pretty much on the same page.
That's good, but you still have people posting defending there servers activity which isnt so good if you're asking for a merge.
If there's a 0.0001% chance of SOE doing a merge, that is if they are serious about maintaining this game's functionality (even if its a "Legacy" or "Attic" game at this point), then how is that a bad thing?
Asking for a merge isnt the problem it's more to the fact that everyone feels the need to complain about it as often and in any thread they can, it's easier just to bring it to Virrago's attention or PM him on a regular basis to see if he has any news and let him be our voice, he is our middle man.
Like i said all the complaining over and over in 20 different threads is only putting off new players.
If not, maybe we should close the "Development Roundtable" section entirely.
No Developer - No reason to discuss ideas for Development.
Edit: Text Colour.
I actually already asked if there is any reason at all for keep this forum going as it is. Maybe a change of the forum would be a better idea then just close it. The question is, why have a forum where we are 99% sure not to get a respond on what we ask about. It's not even fun anymore then imo.
Endomorph wrote:
Recursion is dead and why you would try and dispute that in a thread spanning 36 pages discussing a merge, which is much needed for the game i'll never know.
It's never going to happen surely by now you must realise that moaning hasnt done anything either, Walrus still hasnt replied after all this time with his Producers letter, you have heard nothing meaningful from any SOE representative since Rarebit left the game, and it's not likely for them to spend resources on Mxo anymore especially for a merge.
There we have that bigoted lie again. I'm not "disputing it," I've already disproven it repeatedly by siting the lively activities that happen on Recursion every day. There is a group of players that has been running a smear campaign of lies against Recursion since before the Assassin('s) Mask scam and this is just the continuation of that false agenda. They would like nothing better than to see Recursion die, especially if their lies help it to happen. These people have been telling their deceptions and spreading misleading information for a long time now; it's long past time for someone to stand up and call them on it. Unless you have some proof that Recursion is dead, like say 24 consecutive hours when absolutely no one logs in to it, then you have nothing behind your propaganda, especially in the face of the repeated proof of life and activity on Recursion. (In just the time it's taken to type this message, four people have IMed me asking me to join them for activities on Recursion.)
I have heard meaningful things from reps since Rarebit left. It was at the Anniversary party, so don't presume to tell me what I have and have not heard. The game may or may not "need" a merge but the point is moot because it's never going to happen. There will never be a merge because there is no one at SOE who knows how to merge MxO servers. So, yes, this thread should be closed. The consensus on Recursion, our active and alive server, is that we don't want a merge, so the majority there is pleased that it can't and won't happen. We have a play style all our own and don't want to be homogenized into the play style that centers around Mara Central. If there were a merge, it would be take two communities with unique characteristics and mash them into something that has the flavor of neither. There would be issues of reconciliation and frankly, I don't want everyone on the same server. Recursion is our home, and we play there the way we like and choose to. Just like Syntax is other people's home, and it should and will stay that way because they don't want us there mucking up their play style any more than we want them traipsing around in ours. Variety is the spice of life, conformity is death.
PS10N wrote:
Endomorph wrote:
Recursion is dead and why you would try and dispute that in a thread spanning 36 pages discussing a merge, which is much needed for the game i'll never know.
It's never going to happen surely by now you must realise that moaning hasnt done anything either, Walrus still hasnt replied after all this time with his Producers letter, you have heard nothing meaningful from any SOE representative since Rarebit left the game, and it's not likely for them to spend resources on Mxo anymore especially for a merge.
There we have that bigoted lie again. I'm not "disputing it," I've already disproven it repeatedly by siting the lively activities that happen on Recursion every day. There is a group of players that has been running a smear campaign of lies against Recursion since before the Assassin('s) Mask scam and this is just the continuation of that false agenda. They would like nothing better than to see Recursion die, especially if their lies help it to happen. These people have been telling their deceptions and spreading misleading information for a long time now; it's long past time for someone to stand up and call them on it. Unless you have some proof that Recursion is dead, like say 24 consecutive hours when absolutely no one logs in to it, then you have nothing behind your propaganda, especially in the face of the repeated proof of life and activity on Recursion. (In just the time it's taken to type this message, four people have IMed me asking me to join them for activities on Recursion.)
I have heard meaningful things from reps since Rarebit left. It was at the Anniversary party, so don't presume to tell me what I have and have not heard. The game may or may not "need" a merge but the point is moot because it's never going to happen. There will never be a merge because there is no one at SOE who knows how to merge MxO servers. So, yes, this thread should be closed. The consensus on Recursion, our active and alive server, is that we don't want a merge, so the majority there is pleased that it can't and won't happen. We have a play style all our own and don't want to be homogenized into the play style that centers around Mara Central. If there were a merge, it would be take two communities with unique characteristics and mash them into something that has the flavor of neither. There would be issues of reconciliation and frankly, I don't want everyone on the same server. Recursion is our home, and we play there the way we like and choose to. Just like Syntax is other people's home, and it should and will stay that way because they don't want us there mucking up their play style any more than we want them traipsing around in ours. Variety is the spice of life, conformity is death.
Whether your right about Recursion being "alive"or not (its all in the eye of the beholder admittedly), I have a lot of affection for Recursion. A lot of us built up something nice on Recursion while taking a break from Vector in 2007, and up until Nov 2008 I'd always run my zion and mech crits on there every week religiously to keep a full accounting of the storyline and to see old friends. I was just hoping for a merge because I wanted more people to be on with more people and hence provide more opportunities for growth. (Besides, Rec and Syn have the same ruleset).
I'm not saying you do this but I've been dismayed at some of the fierce territoriality between the two servers. Some people seem to think if their server has a healthy population everyone else can just /suckitup, too bad, so sad, cry moar, sierra tango foxtrot umbrella, etc. Not saying a lot or even the majority here but that sentiment that I have seen here has been very disheatening.
Oh well. Go Vector! 
(hides)
Croesis wrote:
So a merge is out of the question..
I don't suppose there is any way I can get the three character slots I have wasted on Recursion and make them available on Syntax or even Vector?
I've got 2 lvl 50's on Syntax with the last one half way. I've even started to venture out on Vector so I get the best of both rulesets.
If Recursionites feel that they're too good to merge with Syntax, if it were possible, then thank god I havent started to level on that server. Can do without the Recursion Pride attitude.
Oh and lol at citing other server events as evidence of Recursion activity.
Villemar_MxO wrote:
PS10N wrote:
Endomorph wrote:
Recursion is dead and why you would try and dispute that in a thread spanning 36 pages discussing a merge, which is much needed for the game i'll never know.
It's never going to happen surely by now you must realise that moaning hasnt done anything either, Walrus still hasnt replied after all this time with his Producers letter, you have heard nothing meaningful from any SOE representative since Rarebit left the game, and it's not likely for them to spend resources on Mxo anymore especially for a merge.
There we have that bigoted lie again. I'm not "disputing it," I've already disproven it repeatedly by siting the lively activities that happen on Recursion every day. There is a group of players that has been running a smear campaign of lies against Recursion since before the Assassin('s) Mask scam and this is just the continuation of that false agenda. They would like nothing better than to see Recursion die, especially if their lies help it to happen. These people have been telling their deceptions and spreading misleading information for a long time now; it's long past time for someone to stand up and call them on it. Unless you have some proof that Recursion is dead, like say 24 consecutive hours when absolutely no one logs in to it, then you have nothing behind your propaganda, especially in the face of the repeated proof of life and activity on Recursion. (In just the time it's taken to type this message, four people have IMed me asking me to join them for activities on Recursion.)
I have heard meaningful things from reps since Rarebit left. It was at the Anniversary party, so don't presume to tell me what I have and have not heard. The game may or may not "need" a merge but the point is moot because it's never going to happen. There will never be a merge because there is no one at SOE who knows how to merge MxO servers. So, yes, this thread should be closed. The consensus on Recursion, our active and alive server, is that we don't want a merge, so the majority there is pleased that it can't and won't happen. We have a play style all our own and don't want to be homogenized into the play style that centers around Mara Central. If there were a merge, it would be take two communities with unique characteristics and mash them into something that has the flavor of neither. There would be issues of reconciliation and frankly, I don't want everyone on the same server. Recursion is our home, and we play there the way we like and choose to. Just like Syntax is other people's home, and it should and will stay that way because they don't want us there mucking up their play style any more than we want them traipsing around in ours. Variety is the spice of life, conformity is death.
Whether your right about Recursion being "alive"or not (its all in the eye of the beholder admittedly), I have a lot of affection for Recursion. A lot of us built up something nice on Recursion while taking a break from Vector in 2007, and up until Nov 2008 I'd always run my zion and mech crits on there every week religiously to keep a full accounting of the storyline and to see old friends. I was just hoping for a merge because I wanted more people to be on with more people and hence provide more opportunities for growth. (Besides, Rec and Syn have the same ruleset).I'm not saying you do this but I've been dismayed at some of the fierce territoriality between the two servers. Some people seem to think if their server has a healthy population everyone else can just /suckitup, too bad, so sad, cry moar, sierra tango foxtrot umbrella, etc. Not saying a lot or even the majority here but that sentiment that I have seen here has been very disheatening.
Oh well. Go Vector!
Who's your character on Recursion, Villy?
PS10N wrote:
Endomorph wrote:
Recursion is dead and why you would try and dispute that in a thread spanning 36 pages discussing a merge, which is much needed for the game i'll never know.
It's never going to happen surely by now you must realise that moaning hasnt done anything either, Walrus still hasnt replied after all this time with his Producers letter, you have heard nothing meaningful from any SOE representative since Rarebit left the game, and it's not likely for them to spend resources on Mxo anymore especially for a merge.
There we have that bigoted lie again. I'm not "disputing it," I've already disproven it repeatedly by siting the lively activities that happen on Recursion every day. There is a group of players that has been running a smear campaign of lies against Recursion since before the Assassin('s) Mask scam and this is just the continuation of that false agenda. They would like nothing better than to see Recursion die, especially if their lies help it to happen. These people have been telling their deceptions and spreading misleading information for a long time now; it's long past time for someone to stand up and call them on it. Unless you have some proof that Recursion is dead, like say 24 consecutive hours when absolutely no one logs in to it, then you have nothing behind your propaganda, especially in the face of the repeated proof of life and activity on Recursion. (In just the time it's taken to type this message, four people have IMed me asking me to join them for activities on Recursion.)
I have heard meaningful things from reps since Rarebit left. It was at the Anniversary party, so don't presume to tell me what I have and have not heard. The game may or may not "need" a merge but the point is moot because it's never going to happen. There will never be a merge because there is no one at SOE who knows how to merge MxO servers. So, yes, this thread should be closed. The consensus on Recursion, our active and alive server, is that we don't want a merge, so the majority there is pleased that it can't and won't happen. We have a play style all our own and don't want to be homogenized into the play style that centers around Mara Central. If there were a merge, it would be take two communities with unique characteristics and mash them into something that has the flavor of neither. There would be issues of reconciliation and frankly, I don't want everyone on the same server. Recursion is our home, and we play there the way we like and choose to. Just like Syntax is other people's home, and it should and will stay that way because they don't want us there mucking up their play style any more than we want them traipsing around in ours. Variety is the spice of life, conformity is death.
If you feel this strongly about someone elses opinion i suggest you take a break from the game and step into reality.
Endomorph wrote:
PS10N wrote:
Endomorph wrote:
Recursion is dead and why you would try and dispute that in a thread spanning 36 pages discussing a merge, which is much needed for the game i'll never know.
It's never going to happen surely by now you must realise that moaning hasnt done anything either, Walrus still hasnt replied after all this time with his Producers letter, you have heard nothing meaningful from any SOE representative since Rarebit left the game, and it's not likely for them to spend resources on Mxo anymore especially for a merge.
There we have that bigoted lie again. I'm not "disputing it," I've already disproven it repeatedly by siting the lively activities that happen on Recursion every day. There is a group of players that has been running a smear campaign of lies against Recursion since before the Assassin('s) Mask scam and this is just the continuation of that false agenda. They would like nothing better than to see Recursion die, especially if their lies help it to happen. These people have been telling their deceptions and spreading misleading information for a long time now; it's long past time for someone to stand up and call them on it. Unless you have some proof that Recursion is dead, like say 24 consecutive hours when absolutely no one logs in to it, then you have nothing behind your propaganda, especially in the face of the repeated proof of life and activity on Recursion. (In just the time it's taken to type this message, four people have IMed me asking me to join them for activities on Recursion.)
I have heard meaningful things from reps since Rarebit left. It was at the Anniversary party, so don't presume to tell me what I have and have not heard. The game may or may not "need" a merge but the point is moot because it's never going to happen. There will never be a merge because there is no one at SOE who knows how to merge MxO servers. So, yes, this thread should be closed. The consensus on Recursion, our active and alive server, is that we don't want a merge, so the majority there is pleased that it can't and won't happen. We have a play style all our own and don't want to be homogenized into the play style that centers around Mara Central. If there were a merge, it would be take two communities with unique characteristics and mash them into something that has the flavor of neither. There would be issues of reconciliation and frankly, I don't want everyone on the same server. Recursion is our home, and we play there the way we like and choose to. Just like Syntax is other people's home, and it should and will stay that way because they don't want us there mucking up their play style any more than we want them traipsing around in ours. Variety is the spice of life, conformity is death.
If you feel this strongly about someone elses opinion i suggest you take a break from the game and step into reality.
Silencio, perhaps you'd care to explain what a quote from BadKiity's post referring to the flaming we received from a Live Event IC post from last year has anything at all to do with the subject of the thread or the current discussion. You've posted it twice now, and the first time it was easily ignored as being obviously irrelevant and contextually meaningless, but since you posted it again, I'm curious as to your thinking on how it applies to this dialogue about a server merge or how the population/activity of a server or servers relates to the need for a merge.
Endomorph wrote:
If you feel this strongly about someone elses opinion i suggest you take a break from the game and step into reality.
This is a great opportunity to teach those who haven't been involved in official debates or who don't have 26 years of experience dealing with electronic forums. When someone who is debating ignores the counter-points to their argument, ignores the proof presented by their opponent and basically just ignores the issue all together and instead throws out an insult, it means they've got nothing left which can counter the argument they've just been presented with. It's known as an ad hominem attack, and is also coincidentally against the forum guidelines. As for your "suggestion," it shows a severe lack of knowledge and understanding of my current reality, which would actually benefit from some time away from responsibilities to be able to play MxO for an extended stretch.
Villemar, I appreciate your civility and continuing the discussion on topic. I've never heard of any case of life or death being in the eye of the beholder. A plant, animal or person is either alive or dead: there is no in-between state except in cases where the heart stopped and was later restarted, in which case the person didn't die, wasn't dead. Even someone who is clinically brain dead has not been declared dead; is still alive. All the signs of life on Recursion are proof that it's alive; it's not a matter of opinion. (Whether or not there should be a merge and if server population/activity affects the need for a merge IS a matter of opinion, and is the subject of our current debate on this thread.)
I'm glad a lot of Vectorites came to Recursion for their off-org alts, to run the critical missions, etc. I hope that the Recursion community made you feel welcome and joined in your adventures. I wish I could say the same for our excursions into Syntax, but the welcome has been spotty. Catzi and people involved in like vein are to be commended for their efforts and made us feel very welcome on Syntax at the recent party. Something would be missing from MxO if there wasn't another server to occasionally visit and get the fresh feeling of being in a different place with different people. The two servers may have the same rule set, but they have a decidedly different feel or flavor (because of the people who "main" there, and the factions which exist there but not on the other) This sense of being somewhere else is dependent on them remaining separate servers.
I'd like to hear from Syntax and Vector people about their population/activities. (BTW, citing "other" server events wasn't brought up as evidence of Recursion activity, but as a refute to the other white lie "MxO is dead.") Let's ALL provide more opportunities for growth on ALL of MxO's servers. I'll be coming by Syntax more, and -gasp- may roll onto Vector, at the urging of one of my faction who's active there. With 18 RSI slots shared between BadKiity and myself, we have a wide variety of RSIs on all servers; maybe it's time they got some excercise.
bartle doo?
PS10N
I just wonder what this is all about...
PS10N wrote:
Silencio, perhaps you'd care to explain what a quote from BadKiity's post referring to the flaming we received from a Live Event IC post from last year has anything at all to do with the subject of the thread or the current discussion. You've posted it twice now, and the first time it was easily ignored as being obviously irrelevant and contextually meaningless, but since you posted it again, I'm curious as to your thinking on how it applies to this dialogue about a server merge or how the population/activity of a server or servers relates to the need for a merge.
Endomorph wrote:
If you feel this strongly about someone elses opinion i suggest you take a break from the game and step into reality.
This is a great opportunity to teach those who haven't been involved in official debates or who don't have 26 years of experience dealing with electronic forums. When someone who is debating ignores the counter-points to their argument, ignores the proof presented by their opponent and basically just ignores the issue all together and instead throws out an insult, it means they've got nothing left which can counter the argument they've just been presented with. It's known as an ad hominem attack, and is also coincidentally against the forum guidelines. As for your "suggestion," it shows a severe lack of knowledge and understanding of my current reality, which would actually benefit from some time away from responsibilities to be able to play MxO for an extended stretch.
Villemar, I appreciate your civility and continuing the discussion on topic. I've never heard of any case of life or death being in the eye of the beholder. A plant, animal or person is either alive or dead: there is no in-between state except in cases where the heart stopped and was later restarted, in which case the person didn't die, wasn't dead. Even someone who is clinically brain dead has not been declared dead; is still alive. All the signs of life on Recursion are proof that it's alive; it's not a matter of opinion. (Whether or not there should be a merge and if server population/activity affects the need for a merge IS a matter of opinion, and is the subject of our current debate on this thread.)
I'm glad a lot of Vectorites came to Recursion for their off-org alts, to run the critical missions, etc. I hope that the Recursion community made you feel welcome and joined in your adventures. I wish I could say the same for our excursions into Syntax, but the welcome has been spotty. Catzi and people involved in like vein are to be commended for their efforts and made us feel very welcome on Syntax at the recent party. Something would be missing from MxO if there wasn't another server to occasionally visit and get the fresh feeling of being in a different place with different people. The two servers may have the same rule set, but they have a decidedly different feel or flavor (because of the people who "main" there, and the factions which exist there but not on the other) This sense of being somewhere else is dependent on them remaining separate servers.
I'd like to hear from Syntax and Vector people about their population/activities. (BTW, citing "other" server events wasn't brought up as evidence of Recursion activity, but as a refute to the other white lie "MxO is dead.") Let's ALL provide more opportunities for growth on ALL of MxO's servers. I'll be coming by Syntax more, and -gasp- may roll onto Vector, at the urging of one of my faction who's active there. With 18 RSI slots shared between BadKiity and myself, we have a wide variety of RSIs on all servers; maybe it's time they got some excercise.
bartle doo?
PS10N
Quote for effect.
My main in on Recursion and I've leveled a 50 on Syntax. I have really had a warm welcome there by everyone I have interacted with. The catch may be that I have not revealed to anyone that it is actually Vesuveus at the keyboard.
Considering I have a 50 on 2 servers, I am in favor of a merge. In short, and previously stated, I am in favor of 1 hostile, 1 non-hostile and wish to choose which character to play and which server to jack into.
I really believe that most differences can be put aside. The only way to get there is together, right?
My pesimistic side says that there must be a place to get to and really doesn't believe there is a place this game is going. But population-wise, RP-wise and community-wise, there are reasons why I would like the merge and would like to be an ambassador of a merge.
Why would I be an ambassador of a merge, you may ask? There is a Syntax faction that I have previously accused of being a carbon copy of my Recusion faction. For years we have remained separate and civil and I see no reason why this little beef cannot be examplary of the larger server rivalry that has developed for whatever reasons.
Edit: Separate and civil, on the same server, edit to clarify. :oP
PS10N wrote:
Silencio, perhaps you'd care to explain what a quote from BadKiity's post referring to the flaming we received from a Live Event IC post from last year has anything at all to do with the subject of the thread or the current discussion. You've posted it twice now, and the first time it was easily ignored as being obviously irrelevant and contextually meaningless, but since you posted it again, I'm curious as to your thinking on how it applies to this dialogue about a server merge or how the population/activity of a server or servers relates to the need for a merge.
Endomorph wrote:
If you feel this strongly about someone elses opinion i suggest you take a break from the game and step into reality.
This is a great opportunity to teach those who haven't been involved in official debates or who don't have 26 years of experience dealing with electronic forums.
What Official debates? and how exactly does your experience in dealing with "Electronic forums" help discuss a merge?
When someone who is debating ignores the counter-points to their argument, ignores the proof presented by their opponent and basically just ignores the issue all together and instead throws out an insult, it means they've got nothing left which can counter the argument they've just been presented with.
No it means like alot of people I'm grateful i have a job and i intend to keep it so i couldnt say much before leaving, the points you have presented is a list of players names you listed what? 15-20 people? and these people can't be on 24 hours a day the server is like Silent hill i was on there earlier what you consider dead and what i consider dead are two different things.
It's known as an ad hominem attack, and is also coincidentally against the forum guidelines. As for your "suggestion," it shows a severe lack of knowledge and understanding of my current reality, which would actually benefit from some time away from responsibilities to be able to play MxO for an extended stretch.
For you to have to write walls of text out and claim propaganda on a low pop videogame and appear to be even getting worked up is comical.
Villemar, I appreciate your civility and continuing the discussion on topic. I've never heard of any case of life or death being in the eye of the beholder. A plant, animal or person is either alive or dead: there is no in-between state except in cases where the heart stopped and was later restarted, in which case the person didn't die, wasn't dead. Even someone who is clinically brain dead has not been declared dead; is still alive. All the signs of life on Recursion are proof that it's alive; it's not a matter of opinion. (Whether or not there should be a merge and if server population/activity affects the need for a merge IS a matter of opinion, and is the subject of our current debate on this thread.)
I'm glad a lot of Vectorites came to Recursion for their off-org alts, to run the critical missions, etc. I hope that the Recursion community made you feel welcome and joined in your adventures. I wish I could say the same for our excursions into Syntax, but the welcome has been spotty. Catzi and people involved in like vein are to be commended for their efforts and made us feel very welcome on Syntax at the recent party. Something would be missing from MxO if there wasn't another server to occasionally visit and get the fresh feeling of being in a different place with different people. The two servers may have the same rule set, but they have a decidedly different feel or flavor (because of the people who "main" there, and the factions which exist there but not on the other) This sense of being somewhere else is dependent on them remaining separate servers.
I'd like to hear from Syntax and Vector people about their population/activities. (BTW, citing "other" server events wasn't brought up as evidence of Recursion activity, but as a refute to the other white lie "MxO is dead.") Let's ALL provide more opportunities for growth on ALL of MxO's servers. I'll be coming by Syntax more, and -gasp- may roll onto Vector, at the urging of one of my faction who's active there. With 18 RSI slots shared between BadKiity and myself, we have a wide variety of RSIs on all servers; maybe it's time they got some excercise.
bartle doo?
PS10N
There won't be a merge because it can't be done. That's really all there is to it. And it has already been said by Walrus at the Anniversary event that it won't happen.
The last merge was done by WB/Monolith right before they sold the game to SOE. SOE doesn't have the personnel or resources to do a merge, they didn't get all the developers for this game from Monolith when they bought the game from WB who was the majority shareholder in Monolith at that time. SOE got just a few of the original developers with the purchase of MxO and it's been said many times over the years that there isn't anyone here who knows enough about the code do a lot of the things we players would like to see done.
PylatPS10N wrote:
The consensus on Recursion, our active and alive server, is that we don't want a merge, so the majority there is pleased that it can't and won't happen. We have a play style all our own and don't want to be homogenized into the play style that centers around Mara Central. If there were a merge, it would be take two communities with unique characteristics and mash them into something that has the flavor of neither. There would be issues of reconciliation and frankly, I don't want everyone on the same server. Recursion is our home, and we play there the way we like and choose to. Just like Syntax is other people's home, and it should and will stay that way because they don't want us there mucking up their play style any more than we want them traipsing around in ours. Variety is the spice of life, conformity is death.
Rather a lot of Recursionites have joined the Syntax community and integrated quite smoothly.
CodeNut wrote:
There won't be a merge because it can't be done. That's really all there is to it. And it has already been said by Walrus at the Anniversary event that it won't happen.
The last merge was done by WB/Monolith right before they sold the game to SOE. SOE doesn't have the personnel or resources to do a merge, they didn't get all the developers for this game from Monolith when they bought the game from WB who was the majority shareholder in Monolith at that time. SOE got just a few of the original developers with the purchase of MxO and it's been said many times over the years that there isn't anyone here who knows enough about the code do a lot of the things we players would like to see done.
My grandmother already knows how to suck eggs thanks.
Lol Gypsy, it's good to know you're still trying to take completely unprovoked cheapshots at me. Your forum vendetta makes me laugh. 
Sorry, it was more of a comment about Ps10n's attitude. Not everything is about you.
So instead you're trying to insult me by proxy?
Still a forum Vendetta, you keep that up buddy, I find it very flattering
So b/c we think that SOE can't do a merge & at Anniversary Party on the Hill it was mentioned it was nvr going to happen anyway - this thread might wither. Its good that some ppl feel passionate about 'their' server, but sometimes the dissing gets on a bit much. The soap boxes get piled higher & higher until one might fall.
In effect the issues is not so much merge as the population implosion. (there's more TRIAL accounts on EVE running at any one time than ppl PS10N has on his buddy list). We expect that the new ppl's experience will not be the same as the Beta guys nor even those that joined last year or last summer. Nevertheless it does not follow that their experience is going to be bad.
As for servers - meh everyone's experience is different. I walked around solo on Recursion until lvl 20ish without any meaning full interaction, on Syntax I think I was there a half-hour? So my experience wasn't "Recursion the Welcoming" - Vector is an other kettle of fish - I'm not sure what RSI is my main anymore - Vector or Recusion one - but guys it's all one game (and was the best out there)
Ppl are still having fun on Vector, Syntax & Recursion - Let them! Help them! maybe they'll stay. - (wild impossible dream - high server loads become a problem again .
Pylat wrote:
So instead you're trying to insult me by proxy?
Sorry, it wasn't an insult at all It was more of a comment about Ps10n's attitude. Not everything is about you.
Silenci0 wrote:
Just b/c the graph is 'pretty' doesn't make it accurate. 1st - Vector - Syntax not merged, 2nd - servers all same size only whats going on inside & population therein are different. 3rd providing numbers (1800) with Recursion and none for Vector-Syntax compares celery to kiwi fruit.
LeMage wrote:
Silenci0 wrote:
Just b/c the graph is 'pretty' doesn't make it accurate. 1st - Vector - Syntax not merged, 2nd - servers all same size only whats going on inside & population therein are different. 3rd providing numbers (1800) with Recursion and none for Vector-Syntax compares celery to kiwi fruit.
Lol! Srs post is srs. Contrasting quite nicely with the seriousness of the graph!
The logic behind a non merge is foolish and self centered but people still feel the need to be a big fish in a tiny pond. Grow a set (the 14 people in your faction will still remember you on another server) and lets get this game going again for as long as we have left.
GQubed wrote:
I find it the most amusing that people get mad about a thread discussing a subject that may or may not happen ever... I would love to find this kind of passion discussion the philosophy behind the system and Plato's cave, however the option isn't there anymore, for me atleast.
The logic behind a non merge is foolish and self centered but people still feel the need to be a big fish in a tiny pond. Grow a set (the 14 people in your faction will still remember you on another server) and lets get this game going again for as long as we have left.
<3
CraftyZee wrote:
GQubed wrote:
I find it the most amusing that people get mad about a thread discussing a subject that may or may not happen ever... I would love to find this kind of passion discussion the philosophy behind the system and Plato's cave, however the option isn't there anymore, for me atleast.
The logic behind a non merge is foolish and self centered but people still feel the need to be a big fish in a tiny pond. Grow a set (the 14 people in your faction will still remember you on another server) and lets get this game going again for as long as we have left.<3
Indeed. Let's see if we can hit 40 pages now..i know we can do it.
img>Mindsweep wrote:
CraftyZee wrote:
GQubed wrote:
I find it the most amusing that people get mad about a thread discussing a subject that may or may not happen ever... I would love to find this kind of passion discussion the philosophy behind the system and Plato's cave, however the option isn't there anymore, for me atleast.
The logic behind a non merge is foolish and self centered but people still feel the need to be a big fish in a tiny pond. Grow a set (the 14 people in your faction will still remember you on another server) and lets get this game going again for as long as we have left.<3
Indeed. Let's see if we can hit 40 pages now..i know we can do it.
Yeah, we can do it, for reals!
GypsyJuggler wrote:
Pylat wrote:
So instead you're trying to insult me by proxy?
Sorry, it wasn't an insult at all It was more of a comment about Ps10n's attitude. Not everything is about you.
I guess the part where you mention my name exclusively led me to believe I was involved somehow, apparently it's an easy mistake to be made. As long as people don't respond to their names we'll no longer have this problem.
GQubed wrote:
I find it the most amusing that people get mad about a thread discussing a subject that may or may not happen ever... I would love to find this kind of passion discussion the philosophy behind the system and Plato's cave, however the option isn't there anymore, for me atleast.
The logic behind a non merge is foolish and self centered but people still feel the need to be a big fish in a tiny pond. Grow a set (the 14 people in your faction will still remember you on another server) and lets get this game going again for as long as we have left.
"May or may not happen ever" ? It won't ever happen because there is no one at SOE who knows how to do it. That's why this thread should be closed.
Please, do start a thread about the philosophies behind the Matrix (like the Plato's Cave allegory) and I'll be happy to post, and urge people to watch "The Roots of the Matrix" documentaries and listen to the commentaries by Dr. Cornel West and Ken Wilber for more insight and material about those topics.
The logic behind a non-merge is that it's not possible and can't happen. No foolishness or selfishness there at all, just plain and simple provable fact, backed by the official word from Walrus, Virrago and 9mmfu.
I agree with you that we should do anything possible to "get this game going again for as long as we have left." We'll have to find ways to do that without a merge, as we have been given a clear answer about it. There are ways to get this game going again without a merge: let's find them and implement them.
Gerik wrote:
Mindsweep wrote:
CraftyZee wrote:
GQubed wrote:
I find it the most amusing that people get mad about a thread discussing a subject that may or may not happen ever... I would love to find this kind of passion discussion the philosophy behind the system and Plato's cave, however the option isn't there anymore, for me atleast.
The logic behind a non merge is foolish and self centered but people still feel the need to be a big fish in a tiny pond. Grow a set (the 14 people in your faction will still remember you on another server) and lets get this game going again for as long as we have left.<3
Indeed. Let's see if we can hit 40 pages now..i know we can do it.
Yeah, we can do it, for reals!
Haha that reminds me of Rob Schneiders 'You can do 'eet!' cameo from 'The Waterboy'
PS10N wrote:
GQubed wrote:
I find it the most amusing that people get mad about a thread discussing a subject that may or may not happen ever... I would love to find this kind of passion discussion the philosophy behind the system and Plato's cave, however the option isn't there anymore, for me atleast.
The logic behind a non merge is foolish and self centered but people still feel the need to be a big fish in a tiny pond. Grow a set (the 14 people in your faction will still remember you on another server) and lets get this game going again for as long as we have left."May or may not happen ever" ? It won't ever happen because there is no one at SOE who knows how to do it. That's why this thread should be closed.
Please, do start a thread about the philosophies behind the Matrix (like the Plato's Cave allegory) and I'll be happy to post, and urge people to watch "The Roots of the Matrix" documentaries and listen to the commentaries by Dr. Cornel West and Ken Wilber for more insight and material about those topics.
The logic behind a non-merge is that it's not possible and can't happen. No foolishness or selfishness there at all, just plain and simple provable fact, backed by the official word from Walrus, Virrago and 9mmfu.
I agree with you that we should do anything possible to "get this game going again for as long as we have left." We'll have to find ways to do that without a merge, as we have been given a clear answer about it. There are ways to get this game going again without a merge: let's find them and implement them.
I agree wholeheartedly with you there PS10N.
well when this post started the game certainly wasnt in this state, it was the begining of what we have now, what you are saying about "this thread should be closed because we dont have...blah blah"sounds comformist, and also sends a clear message...if a merge cant be done, a character transfer either, and all developement ideas that are posted in this section is a waste of time, cause anything cant be done...no new updates, no new nothing, well then im the first to say that not only they should close this thread but they should close all developement roundtable and just make a bug report section, because if youre right PS1on, then its all a waste of time posting in the roundtable and hoping for improvements.
