Syntax + Recursion MERGE!

How about an all server merge... of course it would have to be hostile... so you people know what real PvP is... Fector FTW!!!

How about an all server merge... of course it would have to be hostile... so you people know what real PvP is... Fector FTW!!!

How about an all server merge... of course it would have to be hostile... so you people know what real PvP is... Fector FTW!!!

Stop Talking please, you have not only made yourself look like an idiot but you've also managed to make "Fector" look even worse. Also you're from vector and you still don't have a clue as to what "real" pvp is. 

For those from syntax and recursion, I'd love to see a merge, more great people to meet, and more idiots to talk ish to.

"Regardless of any apparent low population total there are still those who want to play this game how they want to play. Until you get a 100% pro forced PvP population, then forcing PvP on everyone is a good way to lose more subscriptions."

no one is forcing pvp on anyone, oh wait we got vector for that. those who do what they do can continue to do so, but just like some who don't like pvp, there are alot who do and don't like rp or w/e others do. no pvp is making us lose subscriptions as well.  a merge would populate both venues.

"How about an all server merge... of course it would have to be hostile... so you people know what real PvP is... Fector FTW!!!"

so real pvp is being able to gank low lvls at will and those who go afk? if syntax was like that i'd have a feast with lowbies and afk/dancers/chaters ...lol real pvp hahaha... i sure would like that tho ,merge em all and make it hostile

"Regardless of any apparent low population total there are still those who want to play this game how they want to play. Until you get a 100% pro forced PvP population, then forcing PvP on everyone is a good way to lose more subscriptions."

no one is forcing pvp on anyone, oh wait we got vector for that. those who do what they do can continue to do so, but just like some who don't like pvp, there are alot who do and don't like rp or w/e others do. no pvp is making us lose subscriptions as well.  a merge would populate both venues.

"How about an all server merge... of course it would have to be hostile... so you people know what real PvP is... Fector FTW!!!"

so real pvp is being able to gank low lvls at will and those who go afk? if syntax was like that i'd have a feast with lowbies and afk/dancers/chaters ...lol real pvp hahaha... i sure would like that tho ,merge em all and make it hostile

does everyone in vector pvp? they don't rp there? with the vast amount of space and hl's i'm sure rp will still take place. they can even make a district or area passive as an idea. i doubt hostile takes away the other many things to do in mxo lol

"They can even make a district or area hostile as an idea. "

been trying to get that to happen forever on syntax... best we got was hostile zones which didn't last long and constructs which is just too much time to get back in.they do have a passive zone tho *sigh*. i can understand your choice, i'll be happy with a non hostile server merge, just arguing the comment that a hostile server takes anything away from the game. god forbid some CHOOSE to /pvp without advantage or numbers.

By the way, then can do and have done character transfers back in the day. Just not to Vector, only from. I'd say that a system to pay for character transfers should be set up, so that the game has another source of income at least. I'm pretty sure that Vector players would welcome any players transferred over, even if they didn't have to endure the grind. Lets be honest with ourselves for a moment without letting the 'server pride' thing into the equation. Vector's population is hurting. Badly.

Imagine the PvP... Drool.

I feel a little sorry for Recursion though, if/when it happens.

Hank_22 wrote:

Imagine the PvP... Drool.

I feel a little sorry for Recursion though, if/when it happens.

come to vector nuff said " />

lol and all the people that are mainly bitching are from shimtax ..please NEVER merge..unless its total ffa pvp

and a possible merge name could be shimcursion ...shim for syntax and cursion for recursion!

Ballak wrote:

Well, from recent experience I can say, as you have admitted, Recursion is a lot less people than it used too for some reason or another. If the good PvPers don't PvP at Mara, or Camon Heights, then where are they? :/ As for holding grudges in a video game, that's your choice.

Well I know some of the best battles have been between ourselves and TC, and you rarely see that these days. Once we get a few things out the way, then we will all be back for it. The irony of you saying about it being a video game, your the one who did what you did... in  video game, I have my opinion about you for it, you won't care less, so we're all good.

The last time we actually had some good pvp was during a Machine event where they had to protect the technicians, Zion and EPN had fun killing them, good times.

Aquatium. wrote:

Ballak wrote:

Well, from recent experience I can say, as you have admitted, Recursion is a lot less people than it used too for some reason or another. If the good PvPers don't PvP at Mara, or Camon Heights, then where are they? :/ As for holding grudges in a video game, that's your choice.

Well I know some of the best battles have been between ourselves and TC, and you rarely see that these days. Once we get a few things out the way, then we will all be back for it. The irony of you saying about it being a video game, your the one who did what you did... in  video game, I have my opinion about you for it, you won't care less, so we're all good.

The last time we actually had some good pvp was during a Machine event where they had to protect the technicians, Zion and EPN had fun killing them, good times.

Alright, so "good" PvP only happens during Recursion LE's. Also, I really don't see the irony in it, sorry. If you want to hold grudges, that's fine because you're right, I could care less.

Ballak wrote:

Aquatium. wrote:

Ballak wrote:

Well, from recent experience I can say, as you have admitted, Recursion is a lot less people than it used too for some reason or another. If the good PvPers don't PvP at Mara, or Camon Heights, then where are they? :/ As for holding grudges in a video game, that's your choice.

Well I know some of the best battles have been between ourselves and TC, and you rarely see that these days. Once we get a few things out the way, then we will all be back for it. The irony of you saying about it being a video game, your the one who did what you did... in  video game, I have my opinion about you for it, you won't care less, so we're all good.

The last time we actually had some good pvp was during a Machine event where they had to protect the technicians, Zion and EPN had fun killing them, good times.

Alright, so "good" PvP only happens during Recursion LE's. Also, I really don't see the irony in it, sorry. If you want to hold grudges, that's fine because you're right, I could care less.

Ah so you do care.....Thats so nice, shows that your more then an arrogant child. And I agree with Aquatium FH and TC, when they have most of their members on, have some fantastic battles. Though right now activity is the problem there are so few people that jack in anymore at the key times that good PvP rarely happens, and it never lasts very long.

So. . .what? We should avoid a server merge just on the off chance that two factions might one day return and have one last epic battle? Sorry that fails.

Look, this debate is getting *CENSORED*. You can't even mention it elsewhere on these forums without getting trolled by server fanboys. I've looked back through this entire thread to find arguments on both sides, and compiled what I found. Keep in mind that I had to sort actual reasons from arguments against those reasons, all while filtering out the non-constructive trolling posts.

Reasons for Server Merge

• Consolidating the RPvP servers decreases the confusion for new players when trying to decide which server to start out on; the PvP or the RPvP.
• Increased population means more chances for social activities, general socializing, RP, PvP, and gives a general feeling of a more populated game.
• Increases the number of Live Events held on each of the remaining servers. If it were split evenly, for example, one week Vector gets 3 LE's, while the new RPvP server gets 2. And then the next week, they switch.
• LE focus and quality will increase as there will be more Liaison Officers available to plan and help each other out playing secondary roles and such.
• Eliminates the need to level main chars on more than two servers.
• Opens a server to be used as a test server for QA. This means that huge changes to the game (such as Org Abilities and possibly even new ability trees) could be revisted and tweaked so that they could be included in the game.

Reasons against Server Merge

• Increased population will likely cause a heavier load on the server, intensifying the lag effect
• Less servers in play may give the perception of a "dead" or "dying" game.
• Higher congestion in new content areas (Sati's Playground, Datamine, etc)
• Apparently toxic levels of drama from the members of the Recursion server
• Most players already have alts on the other servers anyway

I am leaving out the "Increased population at Live Events" reason, because that cuts both ways, and cancels itself out. Some would prefer more people at LE's, some less.

Now I was as fair as I could be in the descriptions and counting of reasons, but obviously I am biased. Hence, this is why we discuss these things. If you want to argue the merrits of each of these reasons and their validity, fine. But if all you want to do is troll ("no. Just, no.") or spam server pride, keep in mind that your posts will be reported as such to the mods.

So, go ahead and discuss. Change my mind and convince me that a server merge is really bad for this game.

Oh, and this still exists. . .

EDIT: smilies are the bane of my forum existence.

Reasons for Server Merge

• LE focus and quality will increase as there will be more Liaison Officers available to plan and help each other out playing secondary roles and such.
• Opens a server to be used as a test server for QA. This means that huge changes to the game (such as Org Abilities and possibly even new ability trees) could be revisted and tweaked so that they could be included in the game.

I am leaving out the "Increased population at Live Events" reason, because that cuts both ways, and cancels itself out. Some would prefer more people at LE's, some less.

• LE's focus and quality could increase as stated but that is by no means certain. It may mean that more liaisons will be happy to take some unannounced time off because there are some more liaisons to do their job while they are gone. This leaves a larger org to liaison percentage. Although it can be debated on whether this is actually a good or bad thing.
• A server merge doesn't guarantee that the extra server will be used for a test server at all, it may even be taken for use in another game.
• Increased population at live events isn't simply down to players preference of numbers, more people usually means a lot more lag, not to mention a lot more spammers and idiots trying to steal the limelight to deal with by Rarebit and ourselves.
  

ShiXinFeng wrote:

Reasons for Server Merge

• LE focus and quality will increase as there will be more Liaison Officers available to plan and help each other out playing secondary roles and such.
• Opens a server to be used as a test server for QA. This means that huge changes to the game (such as Org Abilities and possibly even new ability trees) could be revisted and tweaked so that they could be included in the game.

I am leaving out the "Increased population at Live Events" reason, because that cuts both ways, and cancels itself out. Some would prefer more people at LE's, some less.

While I'm against the merge, I won't try to convince you as my arguments have already been presented in your post, and if they haven't convinced you then my repeating them simply won't change your mind. However, there are a few things I'd like to address.

• LE's focus and quality could increase as stated but that is by no means certain. It may mean that more liaisons will be happy to take some unannounced time off because there are some more liaisons to do their job while they are gone. This leaves a larger org to liaison percentage. Although it can be debated on whether this is actually a good or bad thing.
• A server merge doesn't guarantee that the extra server will be used for a test server at all, it may even be taken for use in another game.
• Increased population at live events isn't simply down to players preference of numbers, more people usually means a lot more lag, not to mention a lot more spammers and idiots trying to steal the limelight to deal with by Rarebit and ourselves.
  

I don't recall seeing any direct arguments from you to refute my reasons prior to this, but, hey, consider this a fresh start. " width="15" height="15" />

While I appreciate your skepticism about the level of interaction from the liaisons, I think you yourself stumbled upon the best argument for it: there would be a very good chance that all five orgs on the merged server would be well represented by at least one dedicated liaison.

What you say about the test server is true. But, then again, there is no guarantee that we won't wake up tomorrow to find the game completely deactivated, now is there? All I am saying is that there are no guarantees, for anything. That shouldn't stop us from doing something good.

Live Events would be a little more laggy. The idiots, however, would not increase in numbers beyond what we already find at our LE's. They are already there. And trust me, you could combine the number of attendees over two weeks worth of LE's and it still wouldn't hold a candle to the LE's of the 'lith days. There servers can handle it, and after all, when was the last time you went to a completely lag-free live event?

And I say, do try to dissuade me. If I can be convinced, I'll stop posting in these kinds of threads.

"Live Events would be a little more laggy. The idiots, however, would not increase in numbers beyond what we already find at our LE's. They are already there. And trust me, you could combine the number of attendees over two weeks worth of LE's and it still wouldn't hold a candle to the LE's of the 'lith days. There servers can handle it, and after all, when was the last time you went to a completely lag-free live event?"

thank you! lag was still the same when it was heavy populated back in the day. so tired of that excuse. were you guys around pre cr2 or shortly after? or did you just start playing?

it already has that perception.

"All these arguements are all well and good,but if you step back and look at the big picture,a merge would still benefit everyone.It gets awfully depressing logging onto two different servers for an hour about 5 times a week and logging off out of boredom because noone is around."

thanks,i could care less about drama,server pride,or how good you think you are. the point is there's a lack of population on all servers.whenever i log in, vector and recursion are always on low status,even syntax on medium status seems dead cuz everyone is spread out doing whatever they do. mxo with 4 districts and vast amount of hardlines is just too big for a small amount of people to play.

 be against a merge if ya want. when youfind yourself with nothing to do or when they shut down the game i'm sure you'll feel like an idiot.

Super Happy Fun Fun Mod?

I dont really think the extra lag would actually be noticeable as the numbers would be similar to what they were a year or two ago for Live Events.  Then again, I only get to live events when the moon turns blue. 

Super Happy Fun Fun Mod?

I dont really think the extra lag would actually be noticeable as the numbers would be similar to what they were a year or two ago for Live Events.  Then again, I only get to live events when the moon turns blue.  " />

I dont really think the extra lag would actually be noticeable as the numbers would be similar to what they were a year or two ago for Live Events.  Then again, I only get to live events when the moon turns blue.  " width="15" height="15" />

That's right! Even a year ago, the number of attendees at an event was more than twice what I see at events today. Don't believe me? take a look here. And with more live events per server, there would undoubtably be more varied LE times, so more people would get to attend the events for which this game made its mark.

The more populated the servers are, the more likely that new players will actually interact with vet players. They won't feel like this game is as dead as everyone makes it out to be. They might stay if they find enough reason to.

The Matrix Online is all about the struggle between Man and Machines and its story is the best aspect this game has going for it. If new players log into a ghost town (Uriah Industrial is never populated) for 5 or 10 levels, they never get to experience that fight beyond doing the standard seduction missions. So, no real story interaction, no people. . .why stay?

If most of the game's population were on just the two servers, there would be so much more going on all the time. Every new player that jacks in would become a commodity that each side must have and might even fight for to maintain a balance in battle. The whole fight, the whole war, would be played out between just the two servers. Think about how much more intense those battles would be!! Every live event would become like a NFL game, with players fighting for every single inch. I want to fight alongside Phrack and Tsusai and Archangel as well as the EPN guys I have been back-to-back with for over a year, drama be damned! I want to go to a Live Event where its us against Mathalos and Zudrag and Phar and Coms, as well as Illyria and Sattakan and Ebola and Lezel. You think battles between FH and TC were good? Imagine FH teamed with Omega Syndicate against TC teamed with the Tetras. Epic. I want a chance to PvP against ThHidden01 and his Dragoons and to RP with Tranque and Chemuel and Mave and Alphaea and Phi and . . . well you get the point. I feel like I'm getting ripped off cause I don't interact with half of the game's best players.

And with only two servers, I  absolutely would level my main on Vector so that I could carry the fight there as well. I would love to see the Vector side to this story and take advantage of the hostile environment. I got started there, but leveling is . . . I hate the thought of leveling up a character, let alone twice more. But if there were just two servers, then I would HAVE to have a level 50 on both. I want to see how EPN does things on Vector and interact with the people there, too. I hear the Mervs rule Vector, which would be strange coming from Syntax, so I want to see it!

I know what a lot of players think. Just one more step towards the end, making it easier for them just to shut this game down. If that's true, then our days are numbered anyway. So why not make the end days the most epic that this game has ever seen?

Ballak wrote:

Aquatium. wrote:

Ballak wrote:

Well, from recent experience I can say, as you have admitted, Recursion is a lot less people than it used too for some reason or another. If the good PvPers don't PvP at Mara, or Camon Heights, then where are they? :/ As for holding grudges in a video game, that's your choice.

Well I know some of the best battles have been between ourselves and TC, and you rarely see that these days. Once we get a few things out the way, then we will all be back for it. The irony of you saying about it being a video game, your the one who did what you did... in  video game, I have my opinion about you for it, you won't care less, so we're all good.

The last time we actually had some good pvp was during a Machine event where they had to protect the technicians, Zion and EPN had fun killing them, good times.

Alright, so "good" PvP only happens during Recursion LE's. Also, I really don't see the irony in it, sorry. If you want to hold grudges, that's fine because you're right, I could care less.

Ah so you do care.....Thats so nice, shows that your more then an arrogant child.

Oh, and this still exists. . .

we need to get this out more to get more people to sign up.

i don't think many are aware of this and im sure more will sign up if its spread out.

Besides the usual stereotypical comment of Recursion becoming like Vector, i.e. a ghost-town, I was surprised to see around 20 or so people at Camon Heights C PvPing. It was before a Machine LE, so that would account for the surprising population burst. Anyways, all I have to say is dear god. People not wearing Seraphims, people wearing elite commando gloves with hacker, Patcher Bandanas, the 3% Accuracy Gi, Duelists using Accuracy clothes against other gun users, Overdrive Bandanas, using the Tabi, Euphoricaps during a certain Merv LE, and the list goes on. Sometimes I wonder if it's only the MAs on Recursion that know CR2.5 is out. I'm not saying Syntax is any better either because there's a decent amount of people on Syntax who don't understand PvP either. =P

Honestly I wouldn't mind a merge, and get some <Syntax> <Recursion> PvP going on in DM.

Oh, and this still exists. . .

we need to get this out more to get more people to sign up.

i don't think many are aware of this and im sure more will sign up if its spread out.

Yeah. . .I have a sig that links to it. . .somewhere.

But using the actual name of the thing nearly got me suspended by one of the old mods. Of course, I suspect it had less to do with what it was and more to do with what it was about. . . And since then, I have seen other people use that word and that idea here on the forums, with no drama, so you might get away with doing something with it.

Maybe I will run it past Virrago and see what he says. If he's cool with a little harmless thing like this, done just for fun, then maybe we can start campaigning in earnest. But, to be honest, all of this, the effort and this whole debate, is for naught if the possibility for a merge isn't even on the table with the devs.

In other words, let's get some dev confirmation that a merge is even possible, before we go trying to convert the masses.

         I see that there is a link for a petition for a merge. my concern is that players with more then 1 character could vote more then once if they wanted to.   no ?  I see some names in the petition that I never heard of before.  hmm  so 40 players petitioned so far... interesting 

         As for a server merge I would suggest A trial period of 1 month to see how things work out and if there is too much lag/ technical issues just do a  "rollback" then we can all say at least we tried it.
                                                       I vote for a 1 month merge

letsrock wrote:

         I see that there is a link for a petition for a merge. my concern is that players with more then 1 character could vote more then once if they wanted to.   no ?  I see some names in the petition that I never heard of before.  hmm  so 40 players petitioned so far... interesting 

         As for a server merge I would suggest A trial period of 1 month to see how things work out and if there is too much lag/ technical issues just do a  "rollback" then we can all say at least we tried it.
                                                       I vote for a 1 month merge

Once you merge there's no going back.

ReProgrammed wrote:

Ballak wrote:

Aquatium. wrote:

Ballak wrote:

Well, from recent experience I can say, as you have admitted, Recursion is a lot less people than it used too for some reason or another. If the good PvPers don't PvP at Mara, or Camon Heights, then where are they? :/ As for holding grudges in a video game, that's your choice.

Well I know some of the best battles have been between ourselves and TC, and you rarely see that these days. Once we get a few things out the way, then we will all be back for it. The irony of you saying about it being a video game, your the one who did what you did... in  video game, I have my opinion about you for it, you won't care less, so we're all good.

The last time we actually had some good pvp was during a Machine event where they had to protect the technicians, Zion and EPN had fun killing them, good times.

Alright, so "good" PvP only happens during Recursion LE's. Also, I really don't see the irony in it, sorry. If you want to hold grudges, that's fine because you're right, I could care less.

Ah so you do care.....Thats so nice, shows that your more then an arrogant child.

Huh?

Ballak wrote:

ReProgrammed wrote:

Ballak wrote:

Aquatium. wrote:

Ballak wrote:

Well, from recent experience I can say, as you have admitted, Recursion is a lot less people than it used too for some reason or another. If the good PvPers don't PvP at Mara, or Camon Heights, then where are they? :/ As for holding grudges in a video game, that's your choice.

Well I know some of the best battles have been between ourselves and TC, and you rarely see that these days. Once we get a few things out the way, then we will all be back for it. The irony of you saying about it being a video game, your the one who did what you did... in video game, I have my opinion about you for it, you won't care less, so we're all good.

The last time we actually had some good pvp was during a Machine event where they had to protect the technicians, Zion and EPN had fun killing them, good times.

Alright, so "good" PvP only happens during Recursion LE's. Also, I really don't see the irony in it, sorry. If you want to hold grudges, that's fine because you're right, I could care less.

Ah so you do care.....Thats so nice, shows that your more then an arrogant child.

Huh?

That's okay, sometimes Repro misjudges character.

it would be ace if it happened for a while. but i would get bored and laggy with all the players together :/

it would be ok if they made a construct that connects the server together for pvp.

Now discuss that.....


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GypsyJuggler wrote:

Delicho wrote:

Claims that one server is better than another in regards to PvP are pretty silly.

Enough people have hit 50 on multiple servers that Syntax has the right to feel pretty confident.

Anyone has the right to feel confident. Doesn't change anything I said.

Syntax can claim they have less drama, that is something that can be proven, and has.. over and over.

Without being able to prove something, making claims is silly.

That was my point.

What we have in a lot of these posts are home server pride, which is fine. The server bashing is not.

No point.  Never a point.

I challenge you, sir, to do more than post pointlessly and rebutt my post here. You say there is no point, yet I say there is and then some. Who is right? Oh, and if you can't be arsed to respond, then please quit trolling this thread. *insert obligatory smiley-face here*

In responding to Mad's point, I myself wouldn't mind what he's proposing, except it is even less likely to happen than just an RP server merge.

Also, I suspect that some of the reason Rarebit has been hosting things like the thread about the servers being on medium and the Biological Interface party is to show that the server pop isn't as small as it sometimes seems.