let's meditate about weather, models, and such

Bayamos wrote:

Mathalos's patch is here.

04000D02 00020200 "resource/characters/shared/textures/Pants/jeansbluem.txa" "packmaps/char_shared_d.pkb" 011B7C94 00055526
04000D04 00020200 "resource/characters/shared/textures/Pants/jeansm_bump.txa" "packmaps/char_shared_d.pkb" 012626E0 00055526

Vesuveus, you could in theory but it'd be a pain. Sleepwalker Jeans and Deep Blue Jeans are the same model, so you only need to change the texture. Because of this, everything scales properly for everyone. We can swap out hats and such with other things because they're the same size for all body types of the similar gender. If you wanted to swap out Black Plain Slacks with Blue Jeans, you'd need to find the geometry and texture of black slacks, and then replace EACH body type's version of black slacks with the proper geometry. However, there are many different geometries, all vaguely named as /muscular_male/mg_pants1.mga, /small_male/sm_pants1.mga, sm_pants2.mga, and such. It'd take a while to find the right one, and the same thing goes for the black texture.

Plus, most "regular" clothing pieces don't have specular or bump maps; the Blue Jeans do (and the SW Jeans do too). Thus, we can easily swap out SW bump/base .txas and the engine takes care of the geometry for us. And because the Blue Jeans have bump maps, you can't properly replace normal clothing items as them; since they don't have a field for us to attach the bump map texture replacement. It's always best to try and use some distinctive item as a base, Earpiece, SW Jeans, Omega Trench, Demon Army, Area K, Assassin's Mask, etc. Something that would have it's own geometry, texture, and possibly bump texture.

So, if you can get ahold of any of the SW pant versions, it'd be possible to swap them out easily with the RezMap. Another option is always to use the useropts clothing shell; however, you can't always 100% recreate your look with the shell: tattoos, hair color, facial hair color, and skin tone are a bit tricky sometimes.

Makes sense. Thanks for the explanation, too.

Quick few notes for those reading the Guide, since I wrote it too quickly:

For useropts on-the-fly, the autoexec is not autoexec.cfg in your root folder but a _low_low.cfg or whatever found in the /auto_cfgs/ folder. For the PlayerName parameter, you need quotes around names sometimes, especially with special chars or spaces. CameraMinHardDist doesn't have to be set to 400; you can range it from 0 to whatever you want (100 = 1 meter away from the camera's focal point). You can use CameraHeightOffset on-the-fly in conjunction to get all sorts of shots and angles.

I'm playing around with some update's to Seymour's Patch. Does anyone have any requests for specific weather they'd like to see, or models as disguises/RSI captures that haven't been included, or models they'd like to fight? (I could, say, turn all Choppers except the boss into CSRs or Corruptors you can interlock, or whatever).

Been messing around with the auto_cfgs files.  Here is what i've found for female items:  i forget some of the names but you know what im talking about.

Glasses:
148 system shades
152 Commando glasses
154 Raeders glasses
142 awakened glasses

Hats
162 bluesky hat
174 zion berret
180 White bandana
181 White fedora
182 white Headgear
188 Commando berret
190 swat helmet
203 gas mask
207 jewelry
213 skull cap
214 full skull cap face and head
215 face
216 black headgear 

Misc
bodytype 100 is large female
headtypes are in number range of 120 - 138
hairstyles are in and around 116

beta coat = 235 and playercoat color 0 is for beta version and 1 is eyeball version

Bayamos wrote:

I'm playing around with some update's to Seymour's Patch. Does anyone have any requests for specific weather they'd like to see, or models as disguises/RSI captures that haven't been included, or models they'd like to fight? (I could, say, turn all Choppers except the boss into CSRs or Corruptors you can interlock, or whatever).

The Spandex General, Architect and Agent Gray as RSI captures would be terrific, i don't really have the head for fiddling about with all the settings as has been clearly demonstrated, but it would help me out alot finishing my story.

Working on update to The Patch. Soon, you too can have a silenced FM1500.

And code bombs.

Bayamos wrote:

I'm playing around with some update's to Seymour's Patch. Does anyone have any requests for specific weather they'd like to see, or models as disguises/RSI captures that haven't been included, or models they'd like to fight? (I could, say, turn all Choppers except the boss into CSRs or Corruptors you can interlock, or whatever).

Yes I was hoping you could perhaps change Gat Boy (meh) into Pixie Licious

Also, Tisiphone is the only one unused, perhaps Lo Rumnah?  That would be the hawt.

I know you've shown The Grey Marshmallow apparently does exist, I was acually joking about that, but have absolutely no idea what he looks like   Just remember him from the old .xml file with the list of Neighborhood Contacts.

I think Captain Dernick, Zero, Moribel etc. (from the lowest level V2 RSI caps) would be good candidates for others.  Glitch Kitty?  Succubi maybe.  Definately the white-haired Blood Nobles.  Ooh Architect!

If we get them to unlock the Holiday masks that would be brilliant because that would free up about 10 or so of the current models.

If anyone has any other ideas please post them!

EDIT:  Cross-post with Dulux...Forgot about The General.  Agent Grey...is he a unique Agent model?  I don't know if there are unique Agent models.  (I have no memory of what Agent Skinner looked like back in the day).  And yes, Architect FTW.  Oh and speaking of old models, I don't remember if Invalesco was a seperate model from the white haired Blood Nobles.

I'll look into it... easy enough, the issue is just finding enough remaining things to swap, if I use Math's patch as a base.

Anyways just got meatwad working. Bed for now.

... that must have been one hell of a powerful foot tap... hehe

Thanks again for the hard work Bay and Math.  As long as I've got my Ookami mask I'm happy as far as changes are concerned.. oh, and the cool sky visuals. 

Awesome.. Awesome work. Waiting for the updated patch. ^^

You guys are simply phenomenal.

Any way to enable snow?  I'd like to get that back.

I looked and looked and looked... can't find the file in my MXO dir that deals with weather.  help anyone?  do I have to create a userops file or something and put the values in it for the type of sky I want?

Sugaree, I'm working on an update to the patch right now, and plan to turn on snow for International or Downtown in it.

If you just want snow without the patch, Here's the TSEC list: http://bayamos.systematic-chaos.net/TSEC.txt

To turn on snow for say, Richland, goto /resource/final_world/slums_barrens_full.metr, open it in a hex editor. Near the beginning you'll see TSEC on the right hand side. A bit after that you'll see the hex

80 1D D1 00 38

which is the default Richland TSEC. Replace that with your choice of one of these (for different snowfall):

winter1: 80 0C 00 00 DC
winter2: 80 10 00 00 DC
winter3: 80 17 00 00 DC

and save the file, and you'll have snow.

LetsRock, I explained weather in The Guide, you should read that. Long story short, one replaces weather by either editing a TSEC value in a .metr file, or by telling the RezMap to load TSEC A instead of TSEC B.

Bayamos wrote:

Sugaree, I'm working on an update to the patch right now, and plan to turn on snow for International or Downtown in it.

If you just want snow without the patch, Here's the TSEC list: http://bayamos.systematic-chaos.net/TSEC.txt

To turn on snow for say, Richland, goto /resource/final_world/slums_barrens_full.metr, open it in a hex editor. Near the beginning you'll see TSEC on the right hand side. A bit after that you'll see the hex

80 1D D1 00 38

which is the default Richland TSEC. Replace that with your choice of one of these (for different snowfall):

winter1: 80 0C 00 00 DC
winter2: 80 10 00 00 DC
winter3: 80 17 00 00 DC

and save the file, and you'll have snow.

LetsRock, I explained weather in The Guide, you should read that. Long story short, one replaces weather by either editing a TSEC value in a .metr file, or by telling the RezMap to load TSEC A instead of TSEC B.

<3

I'm so in awe of you both.

Ooh I almost forgot:  A zombie model would be very cool!  And a question about that....is it possible to port the zombie animation to something else?  Like you know how the Lupines, Ookami, Tisiphone, Gargy all have that hunched back thing in /mood normal?  So you could have RSI xxx be all twitchy and spastic

The operator rsi from the org constructs. Just throwing that out there.

Female sakura mask with two holes for eyes instead of the ninja one?

Female EPN corset worn by female EPN Crusaders?

Female Blood Noble high thigh boots?

and don't forget to make those FM-1500's for female too! Else Syn will be a sad panda and you and math got me speechless.... Geniouses! Nuff said, thank you for letting the community know these fun things in the end

Those code bombs just made Reposco's day

Vesuveus wrote:

The operator rsi from the org constructs. Just throwing that out there.

Do you have a picture? I'm having a hard time picturing what you're talking about. No operator in the Mech org area I think.

Villemar_MxO wrote:

Ooh I almost forgot:  A zombie model would be very cool!  And a question about that....is it possible to port the zombie animation to something else?  Like you know how the Lupines, Ookami, Tisiphone, Gargy all have that hunched back thing in /mood normal?  So you could have RSI xxx be all twitchy and spastic

Tisiphone will be a male zombie in the next patch update. I've also replaced the /mood drunk forward-run animation with the zombie run animation. It looks pretty funny with wings on. I'm working on replacing the stand-idle animation, but there a lot of components and it's not playing nice.

Can't take any clothing out of the Guillotines/EPN/Blood Nobles, Synapze, because they're purely compiled moas and there aren't any separate geometry/texture components. Or there are, but, I have no way of knowing which geom/textures they are. You should try cycling through the useropts client-side clothing shell, though; I don't know if those clothing pieces are included in that package. I know a lot of the male unreleased clothing - PB goggles, unrelased shoes, hosh chap pants, blah blah etc. you can put on your char with useropts.

Bayamos wrote:

Tisiphone will be a male zombie in the next patch update. I've also replaced the /mood drunk forward-run animation with the zombie run animation.

Lollers

went by the brief instruction to change weather values.. changed the value for fly  sky saved it..  couldn't logon  lol   so I put the values back the way it was and i'm fine now.. umm my Q is: when I'm in the Hex program I just change the values of the blue color numbers or the gray ones. and also  when I see the "TSEC............" string do I change the values where the dots are or change the value for each letter of the word tsec ?  thankx  lol

My hex editor doesn't display stuff in blue, so I don't know.

But, most hex editors have two displays. The box where you SEE the letters "TSEC" is the ASCII display. You do not want to edit that one. You should be able to highlight hex on the OTHER side, and see which letters it corresponds to.

You don't want to edit the periods or the 'TSEC' chars. Use the list of TSEC values to search on the HEX side for the default value, and then put the new one in.

You will see something like this. The ending symbols may be a bit diffferent depending on what file you're editing.

54 53 45 43 04 00 00 00 04 00 00 80 BD 05 00 38 / TSEC.......€½..8

The Euro symbol marks the start of the TSEC, but we want to edit the LEFT hand side. So, we replace default (80 BD 05 00 3 with say, winter sky (80 0C 00 00 DC) and save.

letsrock wrote:

went by the brief instruction to change weather values.. changed the value for fly  sky saved it..  couldn't logon  lol   so I put the values back the way it was and i'm fine now.. umm my Q is: when I'm in the Hex program I just change the values of the blue color numbers or the gray ones. and also  when I see the "TSEC............" string do I change the values where the dots are or change the value for each letter of the word tsec ?  thankx  lol

Its those weird characters *after* the dots, if I'm doing it right and following the guide correctly.

Now my question in regards to weather strings, which one(s) is the red sky from the kidnapping of Sati?  Also, what are some of these other values I see like:  the no7's, day1-5, cin0102-0401, and massive?  The others look self-explanatory.

Also, why do places like the Loading Area have a TSEC value?  That seems odd.

You answered your own question Ville. When Sati was captured, the "Sati sky" or Sunday went away. So, no7thday. The 3 variants are one with the normal days just without the Sati day, and then the red sky as the event progressed. The cine TSECs are weather settings used in the cinematics. Loading Area might have a TSEC but that's probably just because METR files HAVE to have a tsec. It doesn't have a unique one made for it. Prolly the default? Dunno what massive is.

And yeah Synapze I'm having to go through and check for female compatibility on stuff. Zombies were a pain because I had to swap all the standing/running component animations twice, once for male and female. I'm having to do the same thing with FM, but the FM works with females. Right now I have silenced FM swapped with silver bullet. I'm going to work on swapping an actual gun with the non-silenced FM, but that never really worked when I tried it in the past. Try, try again.

EDIT: Got it!

sweetness, got it to work  In order to be able to see the euro symbol in the hax code all you got to do is change the setting from ASCII to unfiltered then put in your numbers.  doing this type of stuff is a learning curb for me but I find it fun

You two deserve some kind of insanely awesome ridiculous award.

I can't even freaking stand it, this is so badass.

What about if you used the CD's to install MXO were would i get that file explained in the 1st Para.

It doesn't matter how you installed it the first time. You just need to use Station Launcher to get the packmap_save.lta. (Not reinstall, just delete one of your files and tell station launcher to patch).

I can't find the d3d.dll file to replace it with the one in the rar file. Where is it?

Using the blueksy weather in Int'l, I noticed in Ikebura at the docks the water is still stagnant green.  That made me remember that during the Blue Sky event the water was a deep blue.  Is there a way to chance the color of the water to that deep blue? 

Edit:  Or any other color for that matter!  (Although I know there was that blue model for sure).

Bayamos wrote:

Sugaree, I'm working on an update to the patch right now, and plan to turn on snow for International or Downtown in it.

If you just want snow without the patch, Here's the TSEC list: http://bayamos.systematic-chaos.net/TSEC.txt

To turn on snow for say, Richland, goto /resource/final_world/slums_barrens_full.metr, open it in a hex editor. Near the beginning you'll see TSEC on the right hand side. A bit after that you'll see the hex

80 1D D1 00 38

which is the default Richland TSEC. Replace that with your choice of one of these (for different snowfall):

winter1: 80 0C 00 00 DC
winter2: 80 10 00 00 DC
winter3: 80 17 00 00 DC

and save the file, and you'll have snow.

LetsRock, I explained weather in The Guide, you should read that. Long story short, one replaces weather by either editing a TSEC value in a .metr file, or by telling the RezMap to load TSEC A instead of TSEC B.

I followed this, but everytime I updated the slums, i have to change persmisons (not that that is important as I set them back ) SOE laucher seems to think it needs to update and and writes over everything but I cant get into the game just by using laucher.exe.

The regular game launcher only uses a bitlength checksum, whereas Station Launcher actually checks the file contents when you launch. So to play with the patch you need to start MXO from the regular launcher. Why can't you get ingame using launcher.exe?

Bayamos wrote:

The regular game launcher only uses a bitlength checksum, whereas Station Launcher actually checks the file contents when you launch. So to play with the patch you need to start MXO from the regular launcher. Why can't you get ingame using launcher.exe?

Says it needs to write to matrix.exe but there is no matrix.exe

I got my CDs though, so maybe reinstall using that and using the laucher to patch will work.

Bayamos wrote:

Textures are custom file format so not really, no.

hmm... what's the file extensions on these texture file format?

mantra777 wrote:

Bayamos wrote:

Textures are custom file format so not really, no.

hmm... what's the file extensions on these texture file format?

  Extension is  ".txa"

There are also a few .tga, which could conceivably be extracted just fine. Not many, though.

I did a fair amount of playing around with txas over the past few years and feel that it's actually a custom file format, rather than the "make it a ZIP and then change the header bits a bit and call it a LTB" scheme. It could use some standard process or whatever but I haven't really explored the graphics side of programming much. The TXAs as they are though are unopenable with everything I've tried, including old released LithTech tools.

Okay so i tried to give this a bash, but it seems to be failing miserably as i have no idea what i am doing.

Anywho i'm basically just trying to switch one RSI capture for another. I go into RAM using the extras tab on HXD and choose Matrix.exe and then search for the RezID which it gives me a few of if i keep scrolling, but none of them seem to be near my name like the guide says (presuming my name is my characters name) and anytime i have tried switching the RezID's nothing happens, with the exception of the icon's turning white a few times.

Anyone tell me what i'm doing wrong?

Easier and only needs to be done once with the rezmap method, I hate the RAM way. Sorry I haven't made your file yet, the past few days have kind of been overwhelming. I'll keep this tab open to remind myself to do it today.

Thank you for revealing these secret, hope to see some of those effects i have never seen before at last.

I've settled upon my sky settings for the three districts:   Richland/Westview uses Ashencourte sky, International uses the lightest of the Blue Sky Settings, and I use the Sakura sky in Downtown.   As cool as the red sky with eyes in the sky is, I really like as much visibility as possible. 

Villemar_MxO wrote:

I've settled upon my sky settings for the three districts:   Richland/Westview uses Ashencourte sky, International uses the lightest of the Blue Sky Settings, and I use the Sakura sky in Downtown.   As cool as the red sky with eyes in the sky is, I really like as much visibility as possible. 

I can't decide on mine hehe  Too many nice skies, but not enough districts to house them all.    I've currently got International as Halloween, Richland as Sakura and Downtown as the darkest of the Blue Skys.

.. and I think I'm getting somewhere in the item swaps I wanted to do.. sort of.  I've managed to completely remove the texture off the baseball cap items, or so it appears.  I'm guessing I'm just using the wrong wing and earpiece .mga and .txas in my swaps as they both appear at least a couple of times in the rezlist.  *shrug*

Shinryu wrote:

Villemar_MxO wrote:

I've settled upon my sky settings for the three districts:   Richland/Westview uses Ashencourte sky, International uses the lightest of the Blue Sky Settings, and I use the Sakura sky in Downtown.   As cool as the red sky with eyes in the sky is, I really like as much visibility as possible. 

I can't decide on mine hehe  Too many nice skies, but not enough districts to house them all.    I've currently got International as Halloween, Richland as Sakura and Downtown as the darkest of the Blue Skys.

.. and I think I'm getting somewhere in the item swaps I wanted to do.. sort of.  I've managed to completely remove the texture off the baseball cap items, or so it appears.  I'm guessing I'm just using the wrong wing and earpiece .mga and .txas in my swaps as they both appear at least a couple of times in the rezlist.  *shrug*

If I can actually figure out the item swapping and fx stuff (which I dont know if I'm even capable of), I might actually try to make a "Patch Lite" where instead of changing cool items into other cool items, I'd make crappy items that no one wears that can be bought into the vendor into the good items....like knit beanie into wings, whatever crappy cheap shades into Walker's Goggles, Steen Basher gloves into beta gloves, etc.  I miss my Area K and Void Shades   And if I really figure this stuff I might even tackle the FX....like again moving the visually crazy FX over to obscure emotes so I don't get a headache in my eye when watching mass mayhem in Mara for example

I actually think theres a chance that the Holiday Masks will be unlocked...if that's the case I'd definately want to free up the rsi caps that mirror halloween costumes.  I'd move the disguise ones over to the freed up models....reason being is I don't use the disguise ability much, plus its temporary.  And there might be other cool rsi's that we might have missed.