Poll - Is the Game Dead?

The Servers are Empty...the Lead Dev Left. A Simple Yes or No will do. Let's see how big this can get.

Question 1: Is the game dead?

Question 2: Is it too late to bring it back?

My Answers:

1.Yes

2.No

1. It's in coma.

2. No. Someone call Dr. House!

1.Yes and

2........

1. Yes.

2. Depends on Walrus.

1. Yes

2. Depends

1. No

2. No, not if people use the energy they keep wasting on whinging to create some good player-run storylines.

1. New content-wise&storywise, then the answer is yes. If it's about new players coming in to try the game then the answer is no. Depends upon perspective.

2. No, it's not too late to have a new dev write a new story that's up to Walrus to fix. Given the fact that the game had a dev who quit it would be only natural that another was found to fill his seat.

Q#1= no ( but yes just about for vector and recursion)

Q#2= no ( but it's all in our hands now, or should I say "your" hands cus i'm leaveing)

1. Content: Yes.  People who still care abut the game: No.

2. No

1: Pretty much

2: not if they do something now

Vaico wrote:

The Servers are Empty...the Lead Dev Left. A Simple Yes or No will do. Let's see how big this can get.

Question 1: Is the game dead?

Question 2: Is it too late to bring it back?

My Answers:

1.Yes

2.No

1.  Yes.

2.  Yes.  Anyone who thinks otherwise is honestly delusional.

If people reallly cared about this game, they wouldn't be howling about how dead it is. If you want it to stay alive, then roll up your sleeves and Do Something To Keep It Alive. This kind of attitude will only succeed in scaring off new players and older ones coming back, thus genuinely killing off the game. Is that what you really want? Is it?!

One of the things that stuck with me from the video segment about MxO, on the DVD of Revolutions, in the boxed set, was one of the Monolith developers (I think) saying something like "This will turn the Matrix universe over to its fans." Well, it looks like that has happened. Instead of looking at Rarebit's depature, etc. as an ending, look at it as a new beginning.

Vaico wrote:

Question 1: Is the game dead?

Question 2: Is it too late to bring it back?

Hmm...

1.)  No (and yes).

This is really a tough call because it depends on what your criteria is for being "dead."  If a game needs development staff and company support to be considered alive then yes, we're definitely dead.  However, we're not any more dead than we have been for a while now (basically, since Rare left), and yet we still have an interested community, new players and player events (both RP and otherwise).

2.)  No

Keep in mind that before Rare started doing near daily live events, we had pretty much nothing as far as LEs and story progression was limited to a handful of LEs and regular crits.  Also, during the creation of CR2 we had absolutely no storyline advancement or events at all.  It is not too late for a new dev to step in and start creating storyline OR game content (as we saw with Rare, expecting 1 person to crank out both at a constant pace with no assistance is asking way too much).  The question is, will SOE bother to do anything in this regard.  Chances are we all know the answer to this and when even the part time producer is neglecting to make any sort of "on record" official public statement about where things stand it's not looking any brighter.

Fen wrote:

Vaico wrote:

1.  Yes.

2.  Yes.  Anyone who thinks otherwise is honestly delusional.

Neoteny wrote:

Fen wrote:

Vaico wrote:

1.  Yes.

2.  Yes.  Anyone who thinks otherwise is honestly delusional.

No, not yet. On decline.

No.

Making a poll about if the game is dead say's it all....really.

tsk..tsk.

I'm just confused as to what the big differences are since Rarebit left. I mean, hasn't it been like this for....a while? Why all the uproar about it now that he's gone?

From what I understand, wasn't exactly the cool kids' table when he was here...

MatrixRefugee wrote:

If people reallly cared about this game, they wouldn't be howling about how dead it is. If you want it to stay alive, then roll up your sleeves and Do Something To Keep It Alive. This kind of attitude will only succeed in scaring off new players and older ones coming back, thus genuinely killing off the game. Is that what you really want? Is it?!

One of the things that stuck with me from the video segment about MxO, on the DVD of Revolutions, in the boxed set, was one of the Monolith developers (I think) saying something like "This will turn the Matrix universe over to its fans." Well, it looks like that has happened. Instead of looking at Rarebit's depature, etc. as an ending, look at it as a new beginning.

The whole point of MxO, is that MxO was to be (and was from Beta in 2004 up until November 2008   ) a dynamic, interactive, storyline driven game.  Now its a dead , empty land.  For what we have now, we might as well just code up a Mara Central in Second Life, and save $15 a month.

It baffles me that some people are still so vehement about "My SOE right or wrong!"  Sometimes I think if they deleted all of their characters' levels, deleted all of their inventory, deleted their emails and only let them log into the Loading Area  they would still lash out at people questioning the wisdom and benevolence of SOE for giving us these blessed scraps.

I wish one of them would please explain to me what exactly we are getting for $15 a month now.  Because I really don't know.  Maybe some of them have money to burn but most of us don't.

I just don't get it, its like people getting angry at everyone who is mad that AIG paid out those bonuses to the executives who drove the company into the ground and stuck us with the bill.  It makes absolutely no sense to me.

And as far as "negative vibes" putting people off, maybe if we werent cast of into the rubbish heap then there wouldn't be those negative vibes.  Cause leads to effect.  Nothing happens in a vacuum.  And, this is not Tinkerbell coming back to life just because we all wish it6 to be so.

And yes, if it means we are no longer being shafted and taken advantage of, even though it upsets some of the Pollyannas in the crowd, then yes I actually do hope the game fails and dies.  I'd rather have overall good memories of the game then have it live on as a brain dead vegetable with 3 players.  I'd rather have it die with dignity.

Proximisio wrote:

Neoteny wrote:

Fen wrote:

Vaico wrote:

1.  Yes.

2.  Yes.  Anyone who thinks otherwise is honestly delusional.

This.

There's been a lot of complaining here lately, just as there have been odd fantasies about how somehow things will go back to being how they used to be, that some campaign of valiant players will somehow slay the SOE giant into and usher in a new era of prosperity for MXO. It won't accomplish anything. Everything dies. That's a fact of life. It's time to move on from thinking about the past, and to find other things to do with our lives than endlessly revisiting this stagnant corpse.

Bayamos wrote:

There's been a lot of complaining here lately, just as there have been odd fantasies about how somehow things will go back to being how they used to be, that some campaign of valiant players will somehow slay the SOE giant into and usher in a new era of prosperity for MXO. It won't accomplish anything. Everything dies. That's a fact of life.

I agree. Still there's nothing wrong to enjoy what's left until they pull the plugs.

Not yet.

No.

It's dead when they pull the switch.  Until then it's just a shadow of its former self and all that remains is a place to hang out with friends and remember the good times.

Can it be saved?  That depends really on the community.  If SOE decided tomorrow to embrace the potential of the game and provided the dev team and tools to make it great again...could you move past your disappointments and give it another chance?

As a new player...

No.

No.

Sin wrote:

As a new player...

No.

No.

That's the spirit.

As a new player I say:

1. No - The Game is dead when the Servers are down forever. But right now there are enough players around the Servers. And newcomers are on there way into the MxO.

2. No - It´s never to late to do something. Well the Story is in the hand of the players. But I think that isn´t a big problem. Okay It would be better with a dev, but since I never saw the past times of the MxO I miss nothing atm. Okay Live Events and meeting the Live Chars would be great, but when you never saw this times, you think different about the whole Game. This is my personal oppinion about this.

DarkDevil1986 wrote:

As a new player I say:

1. No - The Game is dead when the Servers are down forever. But right now there are enough players around the Servers. And newcomers are on there way into the MxO.

2. No - It´s never to late to do something. Well the Story is in the hand of the players. But I think that isn´t a big problem. Okay It would be better with a dev, but since I never saw the past times of the MxO I miss nothing atm. Okay Live Events and meeting the Live Chars would be great, but when you never saw this times, you think different about the whole Game. This is my personal oppinion about this.

:: Applauds:: Attaplayer! Don't let the old-timers going on like a bunch of cane-waving grouchy old ladies saying, "Well, back in *MY* day..." get you down.

I direct your attention here for your answer:

http://forums.station.sony.com/mxo/...mp;#36300553260

MatrixRefugee wrote:

DarkDevil1986 wrote:

As a new player I say:

1. No - The Game is dead when the Servers are down forever. But right now there are enough players around the Servers. And newcomers are on there way into the MxO.

2. No - It´s never to late to do something. Well the Story is in the hand of the players. But I think that isn´t a big problem. Okay It would be better with a dev, but since I never saw the past times of the MxO I miss nothing atm. Okay Live Events and meeting the Live Chars would be great, but when you never saw this times, you think different about the whole Game. This is my personal oppinion about this.

:: Applauds:: Attaplayer! Don't let the old-timers going on like a bunch of cane-waving grouchy old ladies saying, "Well, back in *MY* day..." get you down.

Great advice!  Here here.  Never let anyone tell you how things were or how things could be again.   Accept nothing and like it.  Ignorance is bliss! 

1/ Kinda. Certainly in the ER/A&E on the point of needing large paddles attaching to the nips and massive amounts of current being shocked through it.

Amad3us wrote:

I'm just confused as to what the big differences are since Rarebit left. I mean, hasn't it been like this for....a while? Why all the uproar about it now that he's gone?

From what I understand, wasn't exactly the cool kids' table when he was here...

Yep, this is what I remember too. No plotline for weeks, if not months, and precious little else to shout about. Which leads me on to...

2/ Nothing is impossible. Right now, SOE are benefiting from the fact that those of us who remain do so because a) Wizards of the Coast are morons who chose the least popular of three worlds to base their single MMO in; b) WoW looks like a cartoon series on a Saturday morning aimed at seven year-olds with a weird fusion of medieval and 20th century technology; and c) those of us who love the verisimilitude of The Matrix, REALLY love it and don't want it to die, because it's better and more believable (not to mention it contains more actual meaning) than any other setting or MMO “universe”.

Right now I resent the smeg out of the fact that I have to pay money to a corporation I regard as a bunch of niggardly, badly managing, wilfully destructive con-merchants. “Have” to pay, I hear you ask? Well obviously I have the choice to cancel my account and depressingly enough, I've heard of a lot of regular players, some dating back as far as Beta doing just that. But I don't WANT to. I WANT to continue gaming in the Matrix. I WANT to keep paying my subscription and providing my bit of income to the providers, like a good little bluepill in my pod. But when you consider the amount of support every other MMO gives their players (which is to say they give them anything at all, or even acknowledge their existence), it makes me sick. SOE are getting paid, by us, for giving us server space I could have for free on Second Life.

I'm luckier than some: I still have storyline to catch up on in the archives, I still have rewards to win. But they won't be unattained forever and eventually an overly expensive avatar-based chat room is all I'll have.

I feel we're unwanted, discarded and held in utter contempt by the people whose pockets we're lining for nothing, in return for something an ad banner or six wouldn't pay for. God knows, I've criticised decisions Rarebit made (quite a few of them in fact), but at least up until the final couple of months of his stewardship he bothered the make them at all! (What he was doing in those final weeks, besides considering where to go on his next holiday or choosing a therapist to help him recover from BeenworkingmybacksideoffbecausemycompanygivesmejackbackupandIenduphavingtoworkaseventeenhourday Syndrome, I've yet to discover.)

The longer this situation continues, the longer SOE ignores us, it's customers, the more people will leave and the fewer new ones will sign up. If something is going to be done to save the gaming universe we all love and re-start little “luxuries” like a plot and the occasional LE, it's got to be done sooner rather than later.

For God's sake SOE, no-one expects the level and degree of service that Blizzard affords to WoW, because that game has so many subscribers most of their Vice Presidents can probably afford their own islands by now, but some service, any service at all, would be kind of appreciated, you know? Unless of course what you ARE actually trying to do is force the game to shut down so you can be relieved of that onerous obligation you never wanted, but were forced to take because you wanted the DC franchise. But perish the thought....... right?

My answers:

1. Storyline yes but for people who care about the game NO

2. No

Question 1: Is the game dead? If a person without legs is 'dead' then YES the game is dead b/c we're missing something; but...

Question 2: Is it too late to bring it back? H3LL NO!!! (but the Oracle did say that everything that has a beginning has an end)

It's 'dead' in the way Second Life is dead -- we are the ones who are mainly responsible for content.  I still enjoy pvp, rp, and player events (especially the latest Detective Story), so while we may not have a continuously evolving official storyline, I'm still having alot of fun.

Therefore, it's not too late to bring it back.

Illyria

deimoslvov wrote:

1. It's in coma.

2. No. Someone call Dr. House!

1. In some way, yes, perhaps in coma... but not dead. (especially not for me, as I haven't seen everything of the game yet)

Fen wrote:

2.  Yes.  Anyone who thinks otherwise is honestly delusional.

2. Wrong. It's never too late. Threads like this proove that.

A simple way to save MxO: If SOE would hire a (or some) new developer(s) to progress the story-line, start live-events, fix bugs (especially with new OS and GPUs), perhaps do something for probably new redpills (the game leaves you a bit alone at this point, if you don't know anybody to ask) and do a little (!) bit advertisement, even only on sonys own websites (they hide the game if you ask me), the game would live on, and make money for SOE... Let a game which includes so much work and possibilities die, is stupid (from business).

Oh, and SOE should offer a normal, direct way to Trial-keys! (getting them through a myspace-site is a bit... strange, for such a company)

Yes, I know, will never happen blahblah, but it could. Not much money and personal would be needed to keep MxO interesting for most of the old fanbase, and also addict some new players... (the game would never become like WoW of course).

Not to mention all the possibilities the game/Matrix-license would still offer... (PVE-Constructs, perhaps vehicles and stuff...)

Dante_MxO wrote:

A simple way to save MxO: If SOE would hire a (or some) new developer(s) to progress the story-line, start live-events, fix bugs (especially with new OS and GPUs), perhaps do something for probably new redpills (the game leaves you a bit alone at this point, if you don't know anybody to ask) and do a little (!) bit advertisement, even only on sonys own websites (they hide the game if you ask me), the game would live on, and make money for SOE... Let a game which includes so much work and possibilities die, is stupid (from business).

Oh, and SOE should offer a normal, direct way to Trial-keys! (getting them through a myspace-site is a bit... strange, for such a company)

Yes, I know, will never happen blahblah, but it could. Not much money and personal would be needed to keep MxO interesting for most of the old fanbase, and also addict some new players... (the game would never become like WoW of course).

Not to mention all the possibilities the game/Matrix-license would still offer... (PVE-Constructs, perhaps vehicles and stuff...)

Well yeah.  This game could totally be revived if SOE decided to throw 50, 60, hell why not 100k at someone and say "dude, fix some **** and make all these players happy!"

It would also be cool if SOE bought everyone subscribed to the game sweet-*** trench coats and sunglasses so we could all dress up like NEO!!!!!!!111

Oh I know, SOE should maybe like, like if they bought us all ice cream cones every time we jacked in and they found some awesome way to like...  to send us ice cream cones through some kind of teleporter.  Snap, that'd be cool.

Or...  We could wake up and stop expecting anything at all from them and just play the game while it's still here.

I said this in another thread, and I'm only repeating it because it's something to think about.

Do you know how much money that they have saved since Rare has left?  If you want to really look at the big picture from a business perspective...  MxO costs very little to run at this point.

Personally, I think Rare left because he was given a choice.  I think they couldn't afford him and MxO anymore, so they told him that he could either stay and they continue to pay him and put the final nail in MxO's coffin, or he can leave and MxO can continue on with everything left.

That's just me though.

I want a new MxO (next-gen graphics, especially with gravity and rag-doll, so pushing someone over a building edge or throwing someone at a wall does damage etc.; customizable GUI, combat macros for customizable attacks (game provides abilities and standard macros, so each player can make their own "style"; no Hacker, Patcher and Sims, replaced by grenadiers, medics and other weaponry) that starts at the end of 1.3. The opening movie for a newbie is a short movie (15 mins or longer) that depicts the beginning over Morpheus's assassination till the Assassin's death (Monolith storyline). From the on the storyline picks up in a slightly different way than it has. Also, questions like "how does the RL affect in-game", "where do Meros live in the RW", "where do Machinists live in RW" and many other questions should be answered in detail by a storyboard commision before the launch of that new MxO (encyclopedia for players). Furthermore there's only 1 story-server (limited "seats" at each event (not necessarily first come, first serve per event, since event times will not be told, except when meetings are officially arranged), PvP enabled), the other servers can interact with the story outside of the box (missions, liason (which are this time around payed players) events) and are otherwise used for raids on hideouts, constructs, tournaments (which can be also held in special constructs, multiple-on-multiple tournaments too) and everything else (not provided on story-line server, except where needed; 1 "story character" per account can log on onto it's home-server or the story-server).

Weeelll, there's much more that I'd want, but heck, there's still MxO.

Was this off-topic? Good =P

Illyria22 wrote:

It's 'dead' in the way Second Life is dead -- we are the ones who are mainly responsible for content.  I still enjoy pvp, rp, and player events (especially the latest Detective Story), so while we may not have a continuously evolving official storyline, I'm still having alot of fun.

Therefore, it's not too late to bring it back.

Illyria

Unfortunately unlike SL we can't have an armada of flying e-peens or animals for bestiality... but maybe one day!

I registered yesterday and I am liking very much the game

-No

-No

Vaico wrote:

The Servers are Empty...the Lead Dev Left. A Simple Yes or No will do. Let's see how big this can get.

Question 1: Is the game dead?

Question 2: Is it too late to bring it back?

I.MXO is dead in the sense of every promise that was given to those who bought a box copy of the game. I could go on and whine like I have in other posts but at this point it is quite clear Sony doesn't care about our satisfaction as customers as much as they care about making as much money for as little effort as possible. From a corporate support standpoint I'm not sure why they even keep the game with except perhaps there is some sadistic person that enjoys watching us squirm and hope something will be done.

But that might be considered to be excessively negative by some standards.

MXO is alive in the sense that every day I log on and talk to at least a dozen people, run missions, have RP, go dancing, farm random crap and have as much fun now as I did three years ago. People have change, content has left but the only thing SOE can't pry from our dead cold fingers is our ability to enjoy what we do have...and to a degree that is worth the money.

II.If SOE would actually bother with a magical phrase called 'marketing'...they could have all three servers up to medium capacity...the majority of people either don't know this game is around or that it is still alive.

But that would require effort on the part of Sony...and...I keep beating dead horses so I'm going to stop before the internet equivalent of PETA shows up outside and begins to throw petrol bombs at my house.

Question 1: Is the game dead?

Question 2: Is it too late to bring it back?

Answer 1: The game is as dead as you allow it to be. There are tons of things to farm and there are tons of player events that can be. Its up to the players to keep the game going. If noone plays the game is dead, as long as there are players the game will continue.

Answer 2: No, its never to late to bring a game back. Who knows maybe someone will step in and take over rare's place. It has yet to be a yr since rare has left. I think we need to allow some time to pass before panacing. Someone mentioned wanting a new MXO, I believe this could happen. Look at starwars a new MMO is coming out called The Old Republic. The only thing is would a game developer want to remake a mxo mmo or would someone just step in this game and change things.

QuiDormit wrote:

Dante_MxO wrote:

A simple way to save MxO: If SOE would hire a (or some) new developer(s) to progress the story-line, start live-events, fix bugs (especially with new OS and GPUs), perhaps do something for probably new redpills (the game leaves you a bit alone at this point, if you don't know anybody to ask) and do a little (!) bit advertisement, even only on sonys own websites (they hide the game if you ask me), the game would live on, and make money for SOE... Let a game which includes so much work and possibilities die, is stupid (from business).

Oh, and SOE should offer a normal, direct way to Trial-keys! (getting them through a myspace-site is a bit... strange, for such a company)

Yes, I know, will never happen blahblah, but it could. Not much money and personal would be needed to keep MxO interesting for most of the old fanbase, and also addict some new players... (the game would never become like WoW of course).

Not to mention all the possibilities the game/Matrix-license would still offer... (PVE-Constructs, perhaps vehicles and stuff...)

Well yeah.  This game could totally be revived if SOE decided to throw 50, 60, hell why not 100k at someone and say "dude, fix some **** and make all these players happy!"

It would also be cool if SOE bought everyone subscribed to the game sweet-*** trench coats and sunglasses so we could all dress up like NEO!!!!!!!111

Oh I know, SOE should maybe like, like if they bought us all ice cream cones every time we jacked in and they found some awesome way to like...  to send us ice cream cones through some kind of teleporter.  Snap, that'd be cool.

Or...  We could wake up and stop expecting anything at all from them and just play the game while it's still here.

I said this in another thread, and I'm only repeating it because it's something to think about.

Do you know how much money that they have saved since Rare has left?  If you want to really look at the big picture from a business perspective...  MxO costs very little to run at this point.

Personally, I think Rare left because he was given a choice.  I think they couldn't afford him and MxO anymore, so they told him that he could either stay and they continue to pay him and put the final nail in MxO's coffin, or he can leave and MxO can continue on with everything left.

That's just me though.

You didn't understand anything I said... As I said above, I don't believe things will change, but things could change, it's not to late or something, it would be possible. And continuing the support and improve the game a bit sometimes would not cost much money, at last the game could still make profit for SOE. Let a MMORPG at this point die is simply a wrong decision, it still has, limited of course, financial potential with a little support. You have to think about all the work in the game and it's engine over the last years... making a new MMORPG costs really money!

For example, what would it cost SOE to make more advertisement for MxO sometimes and don't hide it on their own webpages? A few minutes of one or two persons... they just don't WANT to do something for the game at the moment. Why? Nobody knows...

Of course MxO is not WoW (thank god ), but nobody can decide for a game he never reads about / he doesn't know!

At last, the merge, Syntax and Recursion, we all know about this discussion in the other thread... This would SAVE money for SOE, and make most players happy, current and possible new ones (first look is important, and empty servers are not "good"), but they don't do it. There is no logical explanation for that...

(PS: Your joke about Neo fails a bit, many MxO-Players already own Matrix-style trechcoats & sunglasses, right? )

1. Yes

2. Yes.

Its been on life support for several years... Nothing has improved, and nothing is going to improve.

http://forums.station.sony.com/mxo/..._id=36300018050

GypsyJuggler wrote:

http://forums.station.sony.com/mxo/..._id=36300018050

MxO in 2007 is exactly the same as MxO in 2009.  Nothing has changed.  Wait, wut?

I wish I could understand the decisions of the "powers that be" on SOE...

Just imagine a bit advertisement at station/soe-sites, trial-keys direct on station and, for players who have gone, some free-to-play-time to probably get some back... (they have done this for EQ2! 2 - 3 weeks as I remember). That's no magic and not "expensive" or something... and they could profit...