Merge

Criingey wrote:

Procurator wrote:

Criingey wrote:

Server migration is actually a lot simplar than you would imagine.. especially if you can virtualise first.

Well in my experience that is.  I doubt very much that game servers would be different from say the servers i maintain.

I doubt it would be even remotely as simple as a typical server migration. They wouldn't be moving groups of files or entire databases from one machine to another; they'd be moving select chunks of data from within a fragile database into another fragile database. Then updating some sort of master MxO database with new values, and finally propagating that up to the master SOE server (for chat and the like).

I still reckon with the resources available to SOE this should be an absolute cakewalk.  Im talking on mass here.. not talking about one character or two.. that.. that would be alot more challanging id say.

Simple solution for SOE... here you go.   Virtulise onto a NAS box.  Bang all servers on one physical box.

i recall some months ago when we had lesig, they migrated some cyphs characters from syntax to recursion for an event and i think it was also done after that also, that they rewarded participants with a temp rsi capture of a orange ninja of some sort.. i could be wrong.

eval wrote:

Here's a question I'm kind of curious about that I'd like input on from Recursion natives: Why exactly do you think Recursion is dead/dying?

the only way you will know whats going on is to try it out for yourself. you can contact any of us for a tour.

although i have to admit datamine is a breeze, but then again...what for?

eval wrote:

Jahzel-Jah wrote:

eval wrote:

Here's a question I'm kind of curious about that I'd like input on from Recursion natives: Why exactly do you think Recursion is dead/dying?

the only way you will know whats going on is to try it out for yourself. you can contact any of us for a tour.

although i have to admit datamine is a breeze, but then again...what for?

I've been to Recursion before, leveled a character to 30 then stopped. Talked to plenty of people, didn't like many of the people there.

I just hope that aint the opinion of the rest of syntax has towards Recursion,im fairly new to mxo and yes my home is Recursion...and im starting to get a feeling that the whole negative debate about a merge coming from syntax players is more of a dislike for Recursion community.Instead of seeing it as Mxo as a whole.

Jahzel-Jah wrote:

eval wrote:

Jahzel-Jah wrote:

eval wrote:

Here's a question I'm kind of curious about that I'd like input on from Recursion natives: Why exactly do you think Recursion is dead/dying?

the only way you will know whats going on is to try it out for yourself. you can contact any of us for a tour.

although i have to admit datamine is a breeze, but then again...what for?

I've been to Recursion before, leveled a character to 30 then stopped. Talked to plenty of people, didn't like many of the people there.

I just hope that aint the opinion of the rest of syntax has towards Recursion,im fairly new to mxo and yes my home is Recursion...and im starting to get a feeling that the whole negative debate about a merge coming from syntax players is more of a dislike for Recursion community.Instead of seeing it as Mxo as a whole.

Eval don't talk for everyone on Syntax.

Mindsweep wrote:

Jahzel-Jah wrote:

eval wrote:

I've been to Recursion before, leveled a character to 30 then stopped. Talked to plenty of people, didn't like many of the people there.

I just hope that aint the opinion of the rest of syntax has towards Recursion,im fairly new to mxo and yes my home is Recursion...and im starting to get a feeling that the whole negative debate about a merge coming from syntax players is more of a dislike for Recursion community.Instead of seeing it as Mxo as a whole.

Eval don't talk for everyone on Syntax.

I don't think he was, at least not how I read it. I believe he meant he talked to a lot of people on Recursion but didn't like many of them.

Vinia wrote:

Mindsweep wrote:

Jahzel-Jah wrote:

eval wrote:

I've been to Recursion before, leveled a character to 30 then stopped. Talked to plenty of people, didn't like many of the people there.

I just hope that aint the opinion of the rest of syntax has towards Recursion,im fairly new to mxo and yes my home is Recursion...and im starting to get a feeling that the whole negative debate about a merge coming from syntax players is more of a dislike for Recursion community.Instead of seeing it as Mxo as a whole.

Eval don't talk for everyone on Syntax.

I don't think he was, at least not how I read it. I believe he meant he talked to a lot of people on Recursion but didn't like many of them.

Jahzel said: I just hope that aint the opinion of the rest of syntax has towards Recursion.

I just answered that.

Oh right, you meant that eval doesn't speak for everyone on Syntax. I see, thought you were telling him not to. Fair enough!

Mindsweep wrote:

Vinia wrote:

Mindsweep wrote:

Jahzel-Jah wrote:

eval wrote:

I've been to Recursion before, leveled a character to 30 then stopped. Talked to plenty of people, didn't like many of the people there.

I just hope that aint the opinion of the rest of syntax has towards Recursion,im fairly new to mxo and yes my home is Recursion...and im starting to get a feeling that the whole negative debate about a merge coming from syntax players is more of a dislike for Recursion community.Instead of seeing it as Mxo as a whole.

Eval don't talk for everyone on Syntax.

I don't think he was, at least not how I read it. I believe he meant he talked to a lot of people on Recursion but didn't like many of them.

Jahzel said: I just hope that aint the opinion of the rest of syntax has towards Recursion.

I just answered that.

 

Im in the same vote as Eval on this one, I try'd leveling on recursion but most were pretty rude so i said screw it and went back to syntax.

These are the greatest reasons for a merge/transfer.

I've wished I could transfer to Syntax for over a year now, pretty much ever since Machinists disappeared from Recursion, since I've noticed they're a mostly class element over there.

I have a level 20 over there, and everybody's real nice whenever I play. Recursion is generally... Well, not so much.

Kybutra wrote:

Im in the same vote as Eval on this one, I try'd leveling on recursion but most were pretty rude so i said screw it and went back to syntax.

Though to be fair anyone going to any other server can say the same. I've been ignored when asking simple questions/told to 'go back to recursion' etc. on both vector and syntax by some very unfriendly people. Then occasionaly i meet some nice people who help me out.

Just depends who you run into first i guess.

Dulux wrote:

Kybutra wrote:

Im in the same vote as Eval on this one, I try'd leveling on recursion but most were pretty rude so i said screw it and went back to syntax.

Though to be fair anyone going to any other server can say the same. I've been ignored when asking simple questions/told to 'go back to recursion' etc. on both vector and syntax by some very unfriendly people. Then occasionaly i meet some nice people who help me out.

Just depends who you run into first i guess.

very true Dulux, anyways this whole merger thread has taken a completely different route... so yeah if the merger or something similar gets done, well it gets done.. i hope you all have fun over there in syntax.

Some of us from Recursion have encountered alot of hostility when trying to play on Syntax, especially as a group.  And while it certainly won't make us leave the server, it does reflect badly on those who'd like us to.

Illyria

Illyria22 wrote:

Some of us from Recursion have encountered alot of hostility when trying to play on Syntax, especially as a group.  And while it certainly won't make us leave the server, it does reflect badly on those who'd like us to.

Illyria

I'm from Vector But I know what you mean about Syntax. I've still got a level 42 there, Because I like the hostility that is aimed towards me. I've only got to level 13 on Recursion Not because of the players Nor because of the hostility, I just havn't had the time yet.

I've never had a problem with anyone on Recursion...I dare say.

lol yeah the hostility aimed towards vectorites over on syntax (mainly been from the one faction might i add) is rather quite amusing to say the least. I'm suppose to believe that the pvp over there is better (which quite frankly it ain't) when you get these people constantly hurling abuse at you and wait till your interlocked to flag up ha ha

and yeah, i'v saw it happening over on vector aswell

Vectors population has just picked up over the past 3 months i'd say. April - July was fairly dead and the most you'd see pvpn was like 5 or 6 a side. Now vector is rocking as it should be

Okay, so if people on whatever server were nice to people from other servers would that encourage more people to go play there?  Because if a bit of manners is all that's required then suddenly this whole discussion looks a bit silly. 

Its silly to enter in arguments like "most people over Recursion are rude", cause that has NOTHING to do with what we were discussing here. Keep in mind, lots of people you find in Recursion are in Syntax too, so by saying Recursionites are rude, you are saying that about people in Syntax too. People are rude no matter the server, and nice no matter the server. We are ALL MXO, 98% of us have characters on the 3 servers... its not like "Uh im logging to Syntax let me be nice now". We all are the Community of this game. So please lets not start silly arguments like that.

Avath wrote:

98% of us have characters on the 3 servers...

No point in shutting down servers we all play on.

I would warn against a merge, but for different reasons than those that might be expected.

As I see it, reducing to one or two servers would be an admission of failure. It would be politically damaging (from an SOE perspective), as senior staff would see an already minority game being further reduced in its capacity. Were the down-scaling not to produce tangible improvements, it would simply serve to justify the eventual dissolution of the MMO completely.

As previously mentioned, the recent changes to Live Events will encourage all players to generate new characters on each of the servers, should they wish to participate. I speak from personal experience, as I have recently generated a character on Vector, solely for this reason.

In starting the grind again, I have come to reminisce as to the satifaction which is offered from achieving a new Neuro-kinetic level, or some other minor objective. I will probably never pose any real threat on the server, as faction maintenance will ensure that the majority of my time is spent on Syntax. However, it is certainly nice to have the option of a character on another server for a change of pace.

As for suggestions that one server or another holds an elitist attitude, I don't believe that is the case. If I have ever taken a dislike to someone, it would be due to their attitude rather than which server they had come from. As subscriber numbers have declined, I believe that many players have strengthened their links with each other and now we have a far stronger community spirit. Whilst I baulk from being part of any clique, I believe it is healthy to hold a mutual respect for each other, and our continuing support of MxO.

In summary, it seems premature to speak of merging servers until the repercussions of Rarebit's recent changes can be gauged. Let's keep the option of server merges for a far "darker" time, when it might be offered to SOE manangement as a way to prevent the game stopping entirely.

Avath wrote:

Its silly to enter in arguments like "most people over Recursion are rude", cause that has NOTHING to do with what we were discussing here.

Yes it does. You're asking for merg because there's no one playing on your server anymore, when being rude to new players and pushing them over to the other servers could be your reason for a dead server.

Gerik wrote:

Avath wrote:

Its silly to enter in arguments like "most people over Recursion are rude", cause that has NOTHING to do with what we were discussing here.

Yes it does. You're asking for merg because there's no one playing on your server anymore, when being rude to new players and pushing them over to the other servers could be your reason for a dead server.

You are generalizing, not everyone are the same. Some people from Syntax are rude too, and many are nice... cant jugde everyone for the action of others. People leave for many reasons...

Avath wrote:

Gerik wrote:

Avath wrote:

Its silly to enter in arguments like "most people over Recursion are rude", cause that has NOTHING to do with what we were discussing here.

Yes it does. You're asking for merg because there's no one playing on your server anymore, when being rude to new players and pushing them over to the other servers could be your reason for a dead server.

You are generalizing, not everyone are the same. Some people from Syntax are rude too, and many are nice... cant jugde everyone for the action of others.

No, I'm not. I said it does have something to do with the topic when you said it didn't.

Gerik wrote:

Avath wrote:

Its silly to enter in arguments like "most people over Recursion are rude", cause that has NOTHING to do with what we were discussing here.

Yes it does. You're asking for merg because there's no one playing on your server anymore, when being rude to new players and pushing them over to the other servers could be your reason for a dead server.

No need no more.

Gerik wrote:

Avath wrote:

Gerik wrote:

Avath wrote:

Its silly to enter in arguments like "most people over Recursion are rude", cause that has NOTHING to do with what we were discussing here.

Yes it does. You're asking for merg because there's no one playing on your server anymore, when being rude to new players and pushing them over to the other servers could be your reason for a dead server.

You are generalizing, not everyone are the same. Some people from Syntax are rude too, and many are nice... cant jugde everyone for the action of others.

No, I'm not. I said it does have something to do with the topic when you said it didn't.

Its silly to enter in arguments like "most people over Recursion are rude", cause that has NOTHING to do with what we were discussing here. Keep in mind, lots of people you find in Recursion are in Syntax too, so by saying Recursionites are rude, you are saying that about people in Syntax too. People are rude no matter the server, and nice no matter the server. We are ALL MXO, 98% of us have characters on the 3 servers... its not like "Uh im logging to Syntax let me be nice now". We all are the Community of this game. So please lets not start silly arguments like that.

Is that what you dont understand Gerik?...just in case im refering to the highlighted part of her post.

I am completely for the merg and think it would be the best thing for MXO.

Criingey wrote:

I still reckon with the resources available to SOE this should be an absolute cakewalk.  Im talking on mass here.. not talking about one character or two.. that.. that would be alot more challanging id say.

Simple solution for SOE... here you go.   Virtulise onto a NAS box.  Bang all servers on one physical box.

I did mean the servers en masse; they'd be merging complex databases. But I agree. If SOE put its mind to it and used its resources they could certainly accomplish something this complex. I don't see them lending MxO any help, though. We'd have Dracomet and 9mm fiddling with the database, and maybe a couple of CSRs to iron over the resulting wrinkles. 

Jahzel-Jah wrote:

Gerik wrote:

Avath wrote:

Gerik wrote:

Avath wrote:

Its silly to enter in arguments like "most people over Recursion are rude", cause that has NOTHING to do with what we were discussing here.

Yes it does. You're asking for merg because there's no one playing on your server anymore, when being rude to new players and pushing them over to the other servers could be your reason for a dead server.

You are generalizing, not everyone are the same. Some people from Syntax are rude too, and many are nice... cant jugde everyone for the action of others.

No, I'm not. I said it does have something to do with the topic when you said it didn't.

Its silly to enter in arguments like "most people over Recursion are rude", cause that has NOTHING to do with what we were discussing here. Keep in mind, lots of people you find in Recursion are in Syntax too, so by saying Recursionites are rude, you are saying that about people in Syntax too. People are rude no matter the server, and nice no matter the server. We are ALL MXO, 98% of us have characters on the 3 servers... its not like "Uh im logging to Syntax let me be nice now". We all are the Community of this game. So please lets not start silly arguments like that.

Is that what you dont understand Gerik?...just in case im refering to the highlighted part of her post.

And where did I say anything about Recursion?

The only times I see hostility toward a player from another server is when they come across claiming to be the dog's nuts and mouthing off. Are they seriously expecting a welcome hamper?

Procurator wrote:

Criingey wrote:

I still reckon with the resources available to SOE this should be an absolute cakewalk.  Im talking on mass here.. not talking about one character or two.. that.. that would be alot more challanging id say.

Simple solution for SOE... here you go.   Virtulise onto a NAS box.  Bang all servers on one physical box.

I did mean the servers en masse; they'd be merging complex databases. But I agree. If SOE put its mind to it and used its resources they could certainly accomplish something this complex. I don't see them lending MxO any help, though. We'd have Dracomet and 9mm fiddling with the database, and maybe a couple of CSRs to iron over the resulting wrinkles. 

I hear you there!  God forbid SOE should help the illegitimate lovechild!?

Vinia wrote:

The only times I see hostility toward a player from another server is when they come across claiming to be the dog's nuts and mouthing off. Are they seriously expecting a welcome hamper?

To be honest, yes they probably are (The mouthy people that is).

I have no idea how things work under the hood, but I bet it would be simpler if SOE offered the ability to transfer a character.  Let everyone have more slots on either server, but then be able to choose to move their RSI to the other box. 

So then the question becomes, how often would you be allowed to move a character?  You wouldn't want anyone abusing it by griefing someone on Syntax and running off to Recursion...then showing back up again to hit and run.

Just a thought.

If a paid transfer option is offered, I would ideally want to know that any money arising from its use would stay within MxO. I'm all for supporting our game and our development team, but I'd rather not pay extra just to have the money funneled away to one of SOE's other games while we continue to get very little in the way of support from them.

- Void

i think that would be ideal,and if used for mxo would be perfect,get something xtra other than subs.

I was never for a merge, but Recursion is a ghost town.

We really need a merge.

I'll only agree if craint lets me hold the Assassin Mask for 5 minutes

I was never for a merge, but Recursion is a ghost town.

The simple, sad truth, is that all servers are a ghost town at specific times of day. I don't think a merge is really the most productive answer here. I do think they could try increasing the number of available character slots per server. Either to 5 or 6, allowing, once again, for character transfers for those that want to do it.

However, the most productive thing right now, would be for SOE to actively seek to increase the number of players, either returning or new. Sadly, it doesn't look like they want to spend that sort of budget on this game.

As to merging down to one server with forced PVP zones? I'd cancel again, right there and then, and never look back.

Alot of us have more then one level 50, a once every so many years character transfer with the option of a name change would be sic.

Chuui wrote:

As to merging down to one server with forced PVP zones? I'd cancel again, right there and then, and never look back.

Thats why many have proposed Syntax and Recursion to be merged as they are similar, so you have NewMergedServer + Vector, 2 servers, 2 rulesets.

Procurator wrote:

Criingey wrote:

Server migration is actually a lot simplar than you would imagine.. especially if you can virtualise first.

Well in my experience that is.  I doubt very much that game servers would be different from say the servers i maintain.

I doubt it would be even remotely as simple as a typical server migration. They wouldn't be moving groups of files or entire databases from one machine to another; they'd be moving select chunks of data from within a fragile database into another fragile database. Then updating some sort of master MxO database with new values, and finally propagating that up to the master SOE server (for chat and the like).

They did it before. The previous merge was 3 sets of 3 servers being merged. This would be another set of 3 going into 1.

I like Ingus' idea of making Richland/International "normal" zones and making Westview/Downtown "forced PVP for lv16+" like Vector. Or a similar, fair idea. 

I'd think it would make event planning a tad easier on Rarebit.

Woah, mild necro there. 

I know they did it before, but back then they had a considerable number of people to handle the complex task. Now they have a maximum of four people dedicated to MxO, only two of which may have the skills necessary to do this.

Procurator wrote:

Woah, mild necro there. 

I know they did it before, but back then they had a considerable number of people to handle the complex task. Now they have a maximum of four people dedicated to MxO, only two of which may have the skills necessary to do this.

Now that is a more legitimate reason. I would hope that SOE would be willing to lend a few helping hands for such a merge if it were to ever happen.

(And I don't count <30 days a necro on these boards, heh)

Fugitiv3 wrote:

Procurator wrote:

Woah, mild necro there. 

I know they did it before, but back then they had a considerable number of people to handle the complex task. Now they have a maximum of four people dedicated to MxO, only two of which may have the skills necessary to do this.

Now that is a more legitimate reason. I would hope that SOE would be willing to lend a few helping hands for such a merge if it were to ever happen.

(And I don't count <30 days a necro on these boards, heh)

I think this might be something to revisit if necessary in January or February.  I'm running into a lot of old vets lately, this month, which is quite nice   I hope they stay, but thats not something that usually happens based on past exprience unfortunately.

Wow, it's still going.

I just wish the devs can give us some sort of feedback at all on the topics raised here.. Especially a hot topic like this one. We never know whats going on until its already done and in update notes.

Virrago wrote:

We currently have no plans for any server merges at this time.

That does not however mean you guys are not allowed to talk about them and we do read your opinions in these threads.

Also, I would much rather someone create a new thread then necro some 2 month old thread with old discussion in it as it is easier for us to read fresh threads then 2 month old ones.

Oh and for you guys flaming the Original Poster, you are not the forum police. That is my job, report the post and we will make the determination on if it violates a rule, rather then you quoting rules at someone which just leads to turning the thread into a flame fest.

Gerik wrote:

Virrago wrote:

We currently have no plans for any server merges at this time.

That does not however mean you guys are not allowed to talk about them and we do read your opinions in these threads.

Also, I would much rather someone create a new thread then necro some 2 month old thread with old discussion in it as it is easier for us to read fresh threads then 2 month old ones.

Oh and for you guys flaming the Original Poster, you are not the forum police. That is my job, report the post and we will make the determination on if it violates a rule, rather then you quoting rules at someone which just leads to turning the thread into a flame fest.

Oh... Well he makes a good point about necro'ing. I couldnt be bothered reading back on such a large thread hence my mistake.

And my point still applies in general. I hardly ever see a reply from a dev as clear as this one.

Ive just come back from a 2 year absence and i definatley see what everyone is talking about.

Recursion is pretty dead when it comes to the amount of players so i would definatley like to see a merge

Just merge! Jees! lol

This has stopped making sense.  If all those people who have said 'Recursion is dead' logged into Recursion to see that it was dead, then it would be pretty full. 

Cadsuane wrote:

This has stopped making sense.  If all those people who have said 'Recursion is dead' logged into Recursion to see that it was dead, then it would be pretty full. 

Really bad hypothesis, Operative.   Also, it isn't your server.

Actually I'm glad you brought this up.  Someone a while ago suggested an MxO Census.  I wouldn't mind participating in a Census sometime after the Winter Event, late January or thereabouts.  Shouldn't be too hard.  Lets see what the real deal is with the tools we as players have.

Gerik wrote:

Virrago wrote:

We currently have no plans for any server merges at this time.

Also I doubt that any player census will be very accurate.