Merge

ShiXinFeng wrote:

Anyway, this is for you new people. I'll post my obligatory comment about server merges in the interest of keeping things moving in the right direction. Or at least in the same circle. And I won't say a thing about that other thing I've been keeping up.

Reasons for Server Merge

• Opens a server to be used as a test server for QA. This means that huge changes to the game (such as Org Abilities and possibly even new ability trees) could be revisted and tweaked so that they could be included in the game.

And let me, once again, point out that if this were to happen, there is no guarantee that the extra server will be used for testing purposes, so suggesting that will is misleading, or at least, just a hope. MxO has done without a test server for a good while, do you think that SOE would honestly allow them to keep a server for something they apparently dont need and probably won't use, when they could use it for one of their upcoming games?

Oh and lol at all the 'stop spamming spam' spam.

Avath wrote:

Im still asking myself why it has to be so hard to try to make a point here.

Firstly, you weren't so much making a point rather than bringing up a discussion. Points can be argued, and will be. Especially by forum trolls who take into account that you only have 35 forums posts and that you are from Recursion and that, like others, you are making a new thread about it.

If you had posted in any of those other threads, you would be getting the same .gif's and comments. I'll agree that posting in an existing thread is proper forum etiquette, but compared to the offenses in this and most other hot threads right now, its very minor. But the trolls use this to further their side of the arguement, even though they may or may not care about the actual issue.

The fact is that some people want the merger and others don't. Also, some people don't care either way. Regardless of opinion, some people feel the need to belittle others for sharing their ideas, weather they are originial or not.

Any MMO developer listens to the community because they give them feedback for the game (as stated by Walrus at Fan Fair or ComicCon back when theX.fm covered the event). Some is used, most is not. Just don't mind the trolls that argue and then edit their post to "stay on topic".

Just a different concept or idea that might solve some of the problems with server population.

But if you let anyone who already had a level 50 on any server when they make a new character start at a higher level say 30 (can be open for discussion) then the thought of leveling on another server might not be so bad. A merge may not be needed and people can try the others servers easier and may be more inclined to level.

I won't be one of them but it's an idea that I don't believe has been said before.

To anyone who has a character on Syntax and may think low server population isn't an issue. I recomend taking a moment to stand in a Recursion players shoes, create a lowbie and check it out and see the population for itself for a few days, move around do some /who's and you will get the picture for yourself.

If we did have a server merge, we'd still be having the exact same discussions, only the threat titles would be different and all the verbs would be in past tense. The only thing that would change is that Dramacursionites would be forced to deal with *edited*.

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Ingus wrote:

Just my opinion.

I say it's karma. Back when Vectorites were the only ones shouting for a server merge and the likes of recursion and syntax basically told vector to shut up with the merge crap... now recursion stands in vector's shoes.

How does it feel?

and now Syntax is sitting high on the hog not worried about recursion or vector because hey, their population is stable so the heck with the rest of the servers.

Start looking at the big picture people. Do you care about the overall status of MXO or just your own server? The negative effects of the areas around you will eventually effect you. That's the nature of things. Recursion is a good example.

Low population is spreading from server to server like a cancer and soon it will spread to last but not least, syntax... and when that happens it will be too late. Quit being so stubborn and think of what will help the game the most.

Like it or not sad but true.. mxo doesn't live in a mansion anymore... its parked in a condo on the long list of 2nd rate MMOs on SOE's station list. The popularity and aura of the matrix trilogy has faded. Alot of you now are just here for your faction, friends, pvp, and and a glimmer of hope that things will get better.

I say merge all three freaken servers. Many of you rant that the server will lag. there will be too many people etc... uhm hello... there will always be lag and most importantly if ya haven't looked around. The city is called MEGA CITY... it's a big place! spread out! Mara central isn't the holy grail of the matrix... there are a dozen other hardlines, districts, clubs, parks, and neighborhoods to POPULATE.

Make it 1 server, 1 Matrix as it should be.

Have Richland Non hostile, Westview Hostile (for the lowbies to pvp) make international non hostile, and Downtown hostile for the 50s to pvp)

This will spread the population out and generate more activity in many of the vacant areas of the city.

Many non hostile players will be against this but why not have some hostile districts and non hostile districts..you're getting the best of both worlds. With the state that this game is in it would be selfish not to consider it. You can't be in all districts at the same time for what so some can stand at hardlines all day dancing with the opposite org players on stairs instead of clubs while naked? That ain't REAL.

the big picture here folks the big picture.

QFT.......all drama aside..it would be nice to find people in mega city again.I never lagged much at launch..that's more your comp...

I don't know why Syntaxians are liek ZOMG WE DONT WANT DRAMACURSIONITES when the majority of the Dramacursionites HAVE alts on Syntax, just not their level 50s. So a merge would not really change much, except that they would be there the entire time and have their level 50s. Fact of the matter is: MxO is a dieing MMO and is on life support. A server merge would make things easier on Rarebit, whats left of LESIG, and really the player base as a whole. We all talk/fight with each other on DN1 and X-Fire anyway, might as well make it one big disfunctional family on one server. And I like the idea of Downtown being the hostile area, thats the way it should be anyway since Downtown is suppose to be the center of Machine control in the Matrix.

Just my opinion.

I say it's karma. Back when Vectorites were the only ones shouting for a server merge, the likes of recursion and syntax basically told vector to shut up with the merge crap... now recursion stands in vector's shoes.

How does it feel?

and now Syntax is sitting high on the hog not worried about recursion or vector because hey, their population is stable so the heck with the rest of the servers.

Start looking at the big picture people. Do you care about the overall status of MXO or just your own server? The negative effects of the areas around you will eventually effect you. That's the nature of things. Recursion is a good example.

Low population is spreading from server to server like a cancer and soon it will spread to last but not least, syntax... and when that happens it will be too late. Quit being so stubborn and think of what will help the game the most.

Like it or not sad but true.. mxo doesn't live in a mansion anymore... its parked in a condo on a long list of 2nd rate MMOs on SOE's station list. The popularity and aura of the matrix trilogy has faded. Alot of you now are just here for your faction, friends, pvp, and and a glimmer of hope that things will get better.

I say merge all three freaken servers. Many of you rant that the server will lag. there will be too many people etc... uhm hello... there will always be lag and most importantly if ya haven't looked around. The city is called MEGA CITY... it's a big place! spread out! Mara central isn't the holy grail of the matrix... there are a dozen other hardlines, districts, clubs, parks, and neighborhoods to POPULATE. It's not the devs fault that many didn't play the game the way it was intended to be played.

The difference between MXO and all the other MMOs is majority of it's population are first person shooter players that joined the community with mxo being their first mmo but they came due to being fans of the matrix movies. These people would become the "PVPERS" of the mxo community. The minority of the population came with actual plans to roleplay and contribute to the ongoing matrix storyline but were constantly shunned by the PVPERS... they would be the "RPERS". This resulted in a neverending political war between RPERS/PVPERS.

So when you add the rper/pvper struggle to the mix with it being more pvpers expressing themselves in an rper world... live event character/player interaction was no where near what the developers were expecting when they got into this gig

Things like that played its part in the decline of mxo... along with cr1 to cr2, monolith to soe.

Make it 1 server, 1 Matrix as it should be.

Have Richland Non hostile, Westview Hostile (for the lowbies to pvp) make international non hostile, and Downtown hostile for the 50s to pvp)

This will spread the population out and generate more activity in many of the vacant areas of the city.

Many non hostile players will be against this but why not have some hostile districts and non hostile districts..you're getting the best of both worlds. With the state that this game is in it would be selfish not to consider it. You can't be in all districts at the same time for what so some can stand at hardlines all day dancing naked with the opposite org players on stairs instead of clubs? That ain't REAL.

the big picture here folks the big picture.

Ingus wrote:

Just my opinion.

I say it's karma. Back when Vectorites were the only ones shouting for a server merge, the likes of recursion and syntax basically told vector to shut up with the merge crap... now recursion stands in vector's shoes.

How does it feel?

and now Syntax is sitting high on the hog not worried about recursion or vector because hey, their population is stable so the heck with the rest of the servers.

Start looking at the big picture people. Do you care about the overall status of MXO or just your own server? The negative effects of the areas around you will eventually effect you. That's the nature of things. Recursion is a good example.

Low population is spreading from server to server like a cancer and soon it will spread to last but not least, syntax... and when that happens it will be too late. Quit being so stubborn and think of what will help the game the most.

Like it or not sad but true.. mxo doesn't live in a mansion anymore... its parked in a condo on a long list of 2nd rate MMOs on SOE's station list. The popularity and aura of the matrix trilogy has faded. Alot of you now are just here for your faction, friends, pvp, and and a glimmer of hope that things will get better.

I say merge all three freaken servers. Many of you rant that the server will lag. there will be too many people etc... uhm hello... there will always be lag and most importantly if ya haven't looked around. The city is called MEGA CITY... it's a big place! spread out! Mara central isn't the holy grail of the matrix... there are a dozen other hardlines, districts, clubs, parks, and neighborhoods to POPULATE. It's not the devs fault that many didn't play the game the way it was intended to be played.

The difference between MXO and all the other MMOs is majority of it's population are first person shooter players that joined the community with mxo being their first mmo but they came due to being fans of the matrix movies. These people would become the "PVPERS" of the mxo community. The minority of the population came with actual plans to roleplay and contribute to the ongoing matrix storyline but were constantly shunned by the PVPERS... they would be the "RPERS". This resulted in a neverending political war between RPERS/PVPERS.

So when you add the rper/pvper struggle to the mix with it being more pvpers expressing themselves in an rper world... live event character/player interaction was no where near what the developers were expecting when they got into this gig

Things like that played its part in the decline of mxo... along with cr1 to cr2, monolith to soe.

Make it 1 server, 1 Matrix as it should be.

Have Richland Non hostile, Westview Hostile (for the lowbies to pvp) make international non hostile, and Downtown hostile for the 50s to pvp)

This will spread the population out and generate more activity in many of the vacant areas of the city.

Many non hostile players will be against this but why not have some hostile districts and non hostile districts..you're getting the best of both worlds. With the state that this game is in it would be selfish not to consider it. You can't be in all districts at the same time for what so some can stand at hardlines all day dancing naked with the opposite org players on stairs instead of clubs? That ain't REAL.

the big picture here folks the big picture.

QFT...and I can say Ingus isn't some Vector-only, Johnny Come Lately, he's put in his time and made his bones on both hostile and nonhostile servers, I was with him on Recursion in 2007 and he built up something quite impressive, in fact I and many others have Recursion 50's to show for it.

This isn't the cure for MxO's ills but its a danm good idea.  If the patient is dying from blood loss this would be the tourniquet.  It will buy us (and Rare) some time while we get ourselves sorted.  I guess the only question is 1 or 2 servers.  I'm fine with both.  Who cares what outsiders think.  We have our own thing here and I care more about the community than some industry insider's snide comments on some gaming site somewhere.

The pros to the 2 server is its a simple binary system and a good start.  Hostile or nonhostile.  Nice and easy.  6 slots per server.  No one loses anything.  And I think it will encourage nonhostile players to check out Vector (especially with 3 added slots).

The pros to 1 server? what Ingus said.  I think Richland should stay nonhostile.  I DEFINATELY think DT should be hostile.  As far as the two in between districts....Int'l should be nonhostile as it is a great place to mission during those mid levels.  And just a really nice RP setting.  Westview is rather an unpleasant place to mission IMO so I think we could increase its usage by making it hostile.

Either/or.  Again, while this concept has been around a long time, circumstances HAVE changed.  And if we do nothing, the patient will die sooner rather than later.

Villemar_MxO wrote:

... 2 server is its a simple binary system ...

Oooh, this gave me a little thrill when I read it. . .

The Matrix Online - SystemInstance_0 - RP/Normal

The Matrix Online - SystemInstance_1 - PvP/Hostile

Cool as that sounds, though, I think I would rather have a single Matrix Universe, with DT and the Barrens being hostile and the Slums and Intl being normal. 

ShiXinFeng wrote:

Villemar_MxO wrote:

... 2 server is its a simple binary system ...

Cool as that sounds, though, I think I would rather have a single Matrix Universe, with DT and the Barrens being hostile and the Slums and Intl being normal. 

That would be cool. /agree

ShiXinFeng wrote:

Villemar_MxO wrote:

... 2 server is its a simple binary system ...

Oooh, this gave me a little thrill when I read it. . .

The Matrix Online - SystemInstance_0 - RP/Normal

The Matrix Online - SystemInstance_1 - PvP/Hostile

Cool as that sounds, though, I think I would rather have a single Matrix Universe, with DT and the Barrens being hostile and the Slums and Intl being normal. 

Hehe.  I knew you were a binary kind of guy

One thing I forgot to mention with the 2-server option, is that with the added slots on Vector and those who dont want to use all 6 slots on Syncursion?  Storage alts!  Another problem solved. (Lord knows we need it on Vector).

Don't you think the people on Vector RP too?

With all due respect you know i have for you Avath, there's one thing that needs to be understood. We can all agree on a subject and get , say 10 thousand votes. Sure, we'll have our lil own religion but that won't change anything. We've been given the illusion that this is a democracy but it's not. Simply put, (and i'm not bashing the devs or anything), Rarebit does what he wants, slightly influenced by SoE's company politics and demands.  It's an autocracy, and even if we can suggest minor content stuff from our seats down below, i don't think we'll ever be the cause of major changes.

As for me, yeah, I'd be down with the whole  merge thing, i could even give Rare the arguments. But he's not interested, as you can see from those other 4 links Tranque posted.

/headbow Avath

P.S.: Villemar, the alt thing will only be solved for the merged server but Vector would still have 3. I don't follow your logics.

NeoExcidious wrote:

Rarebit does what he wants, slightly influenced by SoE's company politics and demands.  It's an autocracy, and even if we can suggest minor content stuff from our seats down below, i don't think we'll ever be the cause of major changes.

As for me, yeah, I'd be down with the whole  merge thing, i could even give Rare the arguments. But he's not interested, as you can see from those other 4 links Tranque posted.

I would say that you got it the wrong way around. Rarebit, 9mmfu and Dracomet, as employees of SOE, do what they can under the instruction from SOE and slightly influenced by Rare's story progression. Unless you have proper evidence or an admission as such suggesting that Rare makes all decisions regarding MxO, calling him out like that is plain ignorant. As for not commenting in those threads, the Dev's usually don't comment on company policy or admit to any issues a department is having, it doesn't mean that they don't read them. Although they may be getting a bit bored of it by now.

Anyway, as pointed out before Vector has had low population at some point and so has Syntax apparently, calling for a merge when WoW has a new expansion pack out, several new games have come out and with people working more due to the upcoming festive season is more of an alarmist action.

As I said, I'm willing to wait into the latter half of the next update, after Christmas when things get to normal, to take a decent look at the entire picture before conceding the point that perhaps a server merge may be necessary.

I seriously doubt anyone here really cares about what light a server merge would be shown in by the media. Much like another SOE game, PlanetSide (wich actually underwent a server merge about half a year ago, due to similar issues), MXO hasn't really ever had any major media coverage (in other words suffered a huge lack of advertisement), and ANY coverage wouldultimately have a positive effect since most people who read gaming news today have no clue MXO exists anyway.

Ingus:

1 server, WV and DT hostile = Hell yeah. That is by far the best idea i have read on these forums.

Those two areas just don't live up to their description. They are supposed to lurk with danger for any level, but they do not even on Vector, since i hardly ever see anyone in WV there. And yes, imo a merge it would ultimately ease it up for development efforts.

However, i am afraid this is not happening. I, personally do not have a clue just how much hassle the merge process itself would pose (The DATABASE zomg), and do not presume that most of us oridnary subscirbers do. Basing on some snippets i read here and there I believe last time it was done was with the help of the full original developer team, which we unfortunately do not have at this moment, and which has probably not documented the mechanics for the remaining team either (much like the time with some weird texture issue stumbeld upon by Bayamos or one of the bazman chicks).

NeoExcidious wrote:

Don't you think the people on Vector RP too?

With all due respect you know i have for you Avath, there's one thing that needs to be understood. We can all agree on a subject and get , say 10 thousand votes. Sure, we'll have our lil own religion but that won't change anything. We've been given the illusion that this is a democracy but it's not. Simply put, (and i'm not bashing the devs or anything), Rarebit does what he wants, slightly influenced by SoE's company politics and demands.  It's an autocracy, and even if we can suggest minor content stuff from our seats down below, i don't think we'll ever be the cause of major changes.

As for me, yeah, I'd be down with the whole  merge thing, i could even give Rare the arguments. But he's not interested, as you can see from those other 4 links Tranque posted.

/headbow Avath

P.S.: Villemar, the alt thing will only be solved for the merged server but Vector would still have 3. I don't follow your logics.

To your point, I think it would create a level playing field for Vector by adding three additional slots.  So you'd have:

Syncursion - 6 slots - nonhostile

Vector - 6 slots - hostile

Nice and easy.  And, indeed some of us do RP on Vector   It makes it much more interesting as the choices you make can have very lethal and immediate consequences

Absolutely no.

I could see merging Syntax and Recursion, but I would be against it.  I go to Syntax to get away from Recursion's drama.  I remember how bad merging with Method sort of ruined the Regression community.  Don't need to go through that again.

As for the hostile thing...  well, if I wanted to pvp, I would've rolled on a pvp server.  As it is, I spend a lot of my time downtown, and I don't want to have to deal with getting ganked by the pvptards.  I don't play this game to pvp.

We have contructs for pvp, as well as an optional flagging system.  I'm fine with that.  But don't make areas that you eventually need to go to into mandatory pvp zones.  Not everyone plays for pvp.

Fen wrote:

Absolutely no.

I could see merging Syntax and Recursion, but I would be against it.  I go to Syntax to get away from Recursion's drama.  I remember how bad merging with Method sort of ruined the Regression community.  Don't need to go through that again.

As for the hostile thing...  well, if I wanted to pvp, I would've rolled on a pvp server.  As it is, I spend a lot of my time downtown, and I don't want to have to deal with getting ganked by the pvptards.  I don't play this game to pvp.

We have contructs for pvp, as well as an optional flagging system.  I'm fine with that.  But don't make areas that you eventually need to go to into mandatory pvp zones.  Not everyone plays for pvp.

Oh please, Regression is what Regressed the Method community, we were just fine and dandy until your lot came along! And trust me, Syntax has as much drama as Recursion does, you just need to know where to look (like on the Syntax forums right now). And honostly, the Truce is gone... so there SHOULD be PvP zones due to the Truce being gone, so downtown would be the best place for that.  But yeah, thats a discussion for another topic. But yeah, I think merging Syntax and Recursion would be good but after thinking on it some... don't merge Vector with the other two. I think that would erupt in epic dramaz from two totally different mind sets.

Ebola wrote:

Fen wrote:

Absolutely no.

I could see merging Syntax and Recursion, but I would be against it.  I go to Syntax to get away from Recursion's drama.  I remember how bad merging with Method sort of ruined the Regression community.  Don't need to go through that again.

As for the hostile thing...  well, if I wanted to pvp, I would've rolled on a pvp server.  As it is, I spend a lot of my time downtown, and I don't want to have to deal with getting ganked by the pvptards.  I don't play this game to pvp.

We have contructs for pvp, as well as an optional flagging system.  I'm fine with that.  But don't make areas that you eventually need to go to into mandatory pvp zones.  Not everyone plays for pvp.

Oh please, Regression is what Regressed the Method community, we were just fine and dandy until your lot came along! And trust me, Syntax has as much drama as Recursion does, you just need to know where to look (like on the Syntax forums right now). And honostly, the Truce is gone... so there SHOULD be PvP zones due to the Truce being gone, so downtown would be the best place for that.  But yeah, thats a discussion for another topic. But yeah, I think merging Syntax and Recursion would be good but after thinking on it some... don't merge Vector with the other two. I think that would erupt in epic dramaz from two totally different mind sets.

I think fen does make a good case for the 2-server option.  But the drama part, well, that's really on the player.  And with more players you have more options as to who you want to be around and who you don't.  (Especially with effectively no more Live Events).

Again, either option would be fine by me but I can see how a 2 server option would be a good start.  We could always see how that goes first and if that works out well, we can always merge Syncursion and Vector later if worse comes to worse.

Villemar_MxO wrote:

Ebola wrote:

Fen wrote:

Absolutely no.

I could see merging Syntax and Recursion, but I would be against it.  I go to Syntax to get away from Recursion's drama.  I remember how bad merging with Method sort of ruined the Regression community.  Don't need to go through that again.

As for the hostile thing...  well, if I wanted to pvp, I would've rolled on a pvp server.  As it is, I spend a lot of my time downtown, and I don't want to have to deal with getting ganked by the pvptards.  I don't play this game to pvp.

We have contructs for pvp, as well as an optional flagging system.  I'm fine with that.  But don't make areas that you eventually need to go to into mandatory pvp zones.  Not everyone plays for pvp.

Oh please, Regression is what Regressed the Method community, we were just fine and dandy until your lot came along! And trust me, Syntax has as much drama as Recursion does, you just need to know where to look (like on the Syntax forums right now). And honostly, the Truce is gone... so there SHOULD be PvP zones due to the Truce being gone, so downtown would be the best place for that.  But yeah, thats a discussion for another topic. But yeah, I think merging Syntax and Recursion would be good but after thinking on it some... don't merge Vector with the other two. I think that would erupt in epic dramaz from two totally different mind sets.

I think fen does make a good case for the 2-server option.  But the drama part, well, that's really on the player.  And with more players you have more options as to who you want to be around and who you don't.  (Especially with effectively no more Live Events).

Again, either option would be fine by me but I can see how a 2 server option would be a good start.  We could always see how that goes first and if that works out well, we can always merge Syncursion and Vector later if worse comes to worse.

Alrite, so everyone that matters agrees now... Rarebit, get to it.

Hmm, it seems that the majority of forum lurkers have a tendency to "lol" when their mouth is full of some substance, in most cases coffee or coke.

Fen - i do not have a character on Recursion, so i am quite unfamiliar with this "drama" thing. Do you all just hate each other alot or something? If so then why do you wish to continue being locked up with the same people that you despise, insead of letting more people in to ease the pressure?

And the pvp thing, heh, well old gaming argument is old. EVE has a perfect solution to this, wich is, again, dangerous zones and pacified zones. Empire space 1.0 is secured, 0.0 is lawless. Speaking in oversimplifed terms, space with lower security than 1.0 has gradually greater benefits doing business in.

Dont want to get ganked - have backup, use stealth, learn to run. Can't handle it-don't go there and wait till you have the numbers or noone is around. That is all that there is to handling yourself in a world that is by design supposed to be dangerous.

Actually, Recursion seems to be relatively drama-free as of late.  But in it's heyday...  hooowee!  I just wouldn't want to subject Syntax to that.

For the pvp part...  that's great that it works for EVE, and it's great that those of you for it can justify it.  But, I don't play EVE, I play MxO.  And I rolled a PvE server because I'm not a fan of pvp.  Someone elses' playstyle shouldn't be forced on me...  and since I personally spend a lot of time in Downtown, it would be forced on me.

Quite honestly, forcing some areas of the city to be pvp areas (especially areas that I frequent a lot) would probably be enough to get me to leave the game.

Those of you that are for it...  well, there's a lot more pve players than there are pvp players.  Looking at how much of a ghost town Vector is, should be proof enough on why this playstyle shouldn't be forced on everyone.

For the record, I have a character on Vector, and I do have a good time and there's some great people over there.  But it's just not something I'd want to spend all my time on, especially if I'm just jacked in and doing some in-faction chatting and RP.

I agree.  With RP, it'd be nice to have some kind of need for secret locations and the occasional door being kicked down and fights happening - if it were within the confines of RPvP.  Having someone like Endo show up at a meeting might not make all the RPers happy with the environment, thus forced PvP is a bad idea.  Not to rag on Endo or PvPers - it's just that RPers would prefer if they could choose to only fight with people who aren't talking OOC all the time. :P

Thats what the orginization constructs are for :p We're in a War *which some people have forgotten I guess* Its totally reasonable for a Machine crack down on a Zion Terrorist meeting, or a terrorist attack on a Machine meeting... its called immersion ^_^

Hyperviolent wrote:

Dont want to get ganked - have backup, use stealth, learn to run. Can't handle it-don't go there and wait till you have the numbers or noone is around. That is all that there is to handling yourself in a world that is by design supposed to be dangerous.

It's easy to say that, but some people have other things going on in their lives and time is limited in MxO.  In a perfect world whever everyone can spend all of their time in game, sure, this makes lots of sense, but when I can only get in for a few hours a week, having to call on people to babysit me so I can run through the new missions is kind of crazy.  I play on a non-hostile server so that I can get things done when I have time to play the game.  I do, however, often flag PvP these days due to a bit of RP I was involved in.  It's not that I'm "scared" it's that there are other things I want to do in the limited time I've got.

As for the actual topic of a server merge, I'm still on the fence.  The thing is, not once in any thread that I've found recently has a dev popped in to say anything.  Everyone is making all these assumptions about merging and saying "oh well, we'll just up the character count to six, all better."  That might not even be possible. 

The thing is, we have no idea whatsoever what would go into a server merge.  If I had to guess, there's no way that any of the devs are going to talk about it, be it that they don't want to, or more importantly, they're not able/allowed to.  A server merge is going to be a lot of work.  It's not just a copy/paste bing bang boom done.  And of course, don't forget about the all-delicate database which I've read in the past might melt into a firey explosion if you even say the word database too often.

All that being said, I'd be for a merge as long as we're guaranteed MxO won't die in a firey crash because of the attempt.  I don't think that's something that can be guaranteed at this stage of the game, though.

Hyperviolent wrote:

Ebola wrote:

Thats what the orginization constructs are for :p We're in a War *which some people have forgotten I guess* Its totally reasonable for a Machine crack down on a Zion Terrorist meeting, or a terrorist attack on a Machine meeting... its called immersion ^_^

Hahaha indeed, then if you want to kick down some doors RPvP style, have an infiltrator invite or teleport you inside.

Yeah, I personally like the opening of Reloaded when the Agents crash the Zion meeting... I think that should happen every time. And since Neo isn't there to save them, the Agents can barge in and say "This RP suxs invite me back k?" then kill everyone! Heh heh.

Ebola wrote:

Hyperviolent wrote:

Ebola wrote:

Thats what the orginization constructs are for :p We're in a War *which some people have forgotten I guess* Its totally reasonable for a Machine crack down on a Zion Terrorist meeting, or a terrorist attack on a Machine meeting... its called immersion ^_^

Hahaha indeed, then if you want to kick down some doors RPvP style, have an infiltrator invite or teleport you inside.

Yeah, I personally like the opening of Reloaded when the Agents crash the Zion meeting... I think that should happen every time. And since Neo isn't there to save them, the Agents can barge in and say "This RP suxs invite me back k?" then kill everyone! Heh heh.

Actually, the last Zion meeting we had a week ago or so was almost crashed by Agents, luckily we had rezzes. That was cool.

QuiDormit wrote:

 The thing is, not once in any thread that I've found recently has a dev popped in to say anything.  Everyone is making all these assumptions about merging and saying "oh well, we'll just up the character count to six, all better."  That might not even be possible. 

The thing is, we have no idea whatsoever what would go into a server merge.  If I had to guess, there's no way that any of the devs are going to talk about it, be it that they don't want to, or more importantly, they're not able/allowed to.  A server merge is going to be a lot of work.  It's not just a copy/paste bing bang boom done.  And of course, don't forget about the all-delicate database which I've read in the past might melt into a firey explosion if you even say the word database too often.

All that being said, I'd be for a merge as long as we're guaranteed MxO won't die in a firey crash because of the attempt.  I don't think that's something that can be guaranteed at this stage of the game, though.

Yes, that's probably the closest cause and explaination for why this isn't going to work. At least from a subscriber point of view. But ages have proven that this kind of threads are here to stay, and that there will be many more of them, so i do not take this too seriously and use them to state my immediate opinion. That's what we all are doing here, basically.

Hyperviolent wrote:

Hmm, it seems that the majority of forum lurkers have a tendency to "lol" when their mouth is full of some substance, in most cases coffee or coke.

Forum lurker?  Sticks & Stones.  "NO" for server merge.

Ebola wrote:

Hyperviolent wrote:

Ebola wrote:

Thats what the orginization constructs are for :p We're in a War *which some people have forgotten I guess* Its totally reasonable for a Machine crack down on a Zion Terrorist meeting, or a terrorist attack on a Machine meeting... its called immersion ^_^

Hahaha indeed, then if you want to kick down some doors RPvP style, have an infiltrator invite or teleport you inside.

Yeah, I personally like the opening of Reloaded when the Agents crash the Zion meeting... I think that should happen every time. And since Neo isn't there to save them, the Agents can barge in and say "This RP suxs invite me back k?" then kill everyone! Heh heh.

I see what you did thar!

Also, I have nothing against the 2-server system, but I dunno how the people ultimately react to it (except the forum trollers >_>).

We currently have no plans for any server merges at this time.

That does not however mean you guys are not allowed to talk about them and we do read your opinions in these threads.

Also, I would much rather someone create a new thread then necro some 2 month old thread with old discussion in it as it is easier for us to read fresh threads then 2 month old ones.

Oh and for you guys flaming the Original Poster, you are not the forum police. That is my job, report the post and we will make the determination on if it violates a rule, rather then you quoting rules at someone which just leads to turning the thread into a flame fest.

Virrago wrote:

We currently have no plans for any server merges at this time.

That does not however mean you guys are not allowed to talk about them and we do read your opinions in these threads.

Also, I would much rather someone create a new thread then necro some 2 month old thread with old discussion in it as it is easier for us to read fresh threads then 2 month old ones.

Oh and for you guys flaming the Original Poster, you are not the forum police. That is my job, report the post and we will make the determination on if it violates a rule, rather then you quoting rules at someone which just leads to turning the thread into a flame fest.

Thanks, Virrago.  As far as I'm aware, this is one of the first dev posts I've seen in one of these threads.  It's appreciated.

Thank you Virrago, that should dampen the heat in this kind of threads, and maybe keep us interested in proving our points here.

Virrago wrote:

We currently have no plans for any server merges at this time.

That does not however mean you guys are not allowed to talk about them and we do read your opinions in these threads.

Also, I would much rather someone create a new thread then necro some 2 month old thread with old discussion in it as it is easier for us to read fresh threads then 2 month old ones.

Oh and for you guys flaming the Original Poster, you are not the forum police. That is my job, report the post and we will make the determination on if it violates a rule, rather then you quoting rules at someone which just leads to turning the thread into a flame fest.

THANK YOU! I really appreciate your post, thanks for clearing that up. Im glad that for the first time we have a post from you guys

Thank you Virrago!  I'm happy these threads aren't just made in complete vain and that we can discuss our opinions in a civilized manner.  We're just trying to come up with constructive ideas to make this game better, even if they are "outside of the box" and/or ressurections of older ideas in light of new situations.

Virrago wrote:

We currently have no plans for any server merges at this time.

That does not however mean you guys are not allowed to talk about them and we do read your opinions in these threads.

Also, I would much rather someone create a new thread then necro some 2 month old thread with old discussion in it as it is easier for us to read fresh threads then 2 month old ones.

Oh and for you guys flaming the Original Poster, you are not the forum police. That is my job, report the post and we will make the determination on if it violates a rule, rather then you quoting rules at someone which just leads to turning the thread into a flame fest.

But this could be possible to do? if its needed in the future? and Virrago thanks for your response..  i think that will help  straighten the forum police  out..Thanks!!!

Virrago wrote:

Oh and for you guys flaming the Original Poster, you are not the forum police. That is my job, report the post and we will make the determination on if it violates a rule, rather then you quoting rules at someone which just leads to turning the thread into a flame fest.

But I LIKE flame fests.

Virrago wrote:

We currently have no plans for any server merges at this time.

That does not however mean you guys are not allowed to talk about them and we do read your opinions in these threads.

Also, I would much rather someone create a new thread then necro some 2 month old thread with old discussion in it as it is easier for us to read fresh threads then 2 month old ones.

Oh and for you guys flaming the Original Poster, you are not the forum police. That is my job, report the post and we will make the determination on if it violates a rule, rather then you quoting rules at someone which just leads to turning the thread into a flame fest.

Good call on posting.

Really I dont care anymore merge the servers, Ill just throw the pain in the arse people on ignore like I've been doing for tha past 4 years.

Hyperviolent wrote:

QuiDormit wrote:

 The thing is, not once in any thread that I've found recently has a dev popped in to say anything.  Everyone is making all these assumptions about merging and saying "oh well, we'll just up the character count to six, all better."  That might not even be possible. 

The thing is, we have no idea whatsoever what would go into a server merge.  If I had to guess, there's no way that any of the devs are going to talk about it, be it that they don't want to, or more importantly, they're not able/allowed to.  A server merge is going to be a lot of work.  It's not just a copy/paste bing bang boom done.  And of course, don't forget about the all-delicate database which I've read in the past might melt into a firey explosion if you even say the word database too often.

All that being said, I'd be for a merge as long as we're guaranteed MxO won't die in a firey crash because of the attempt.  I don't think that's something that can be guaranteed at this stage of the game, though.

Yes, that's probably the closest cause and explaination for why this isn't going to work. At least from a subscriber point of view. But ages have proven that this kind of threads are here to stay, and that there will be many more of them, so i do not take this too seriously and use them to state my immediate opinion. That's what we all are doing here, basically.

Yeah, but that's just it; someone on the dev side has spooked the player base about the much-talked-about database. They've got everyone believing that the database can't be touched.

But it can. Proof positive is the csv clothing file. That file was generated directly from the database. Maybe doctored a little by Dracomet for proprietery or server-side info only, but a direct export nonetheless.

Most databases interface a lot like an excel spreadsheet. In fact, the best ones can export to excel (csv) and then import the changed data right back into it. However, data manipulation for a database is time consuming and tricky. In that respect, databases are 'touchy'. But that doesn't mean they can't hire a temp for three weeks of data entry in prep for a merge.

Now, naturally, there is a lot more complicated information and table relations in this game's database than a typical website, mp3, or movie catalog would have. But its all the same basic principles.

Tesma wrote:

Really I dont care anymore merge the servers, Ill just throw the pain in the arse people on ignore like I've been doing for tha past 4 years.

Personally I'm going to wait until after the winter event to see what it's like before stating whether I'm for a merge. Until then I'm not for the reasons that ShiXin put in the against case.

Darkangelus wrote:

A post to clarify my view on the situation.

5.Faction naming will be an issue. for example there is a faction called "Daniel Institute of Dream Interpretation" on recursion and "The Daniel Institute" on syntax worst case scenario there will be some arguments. but then take into account...

E Pluribus Neo - EPN exist on all of the servers i believe.
One will have to be renamed as i dont think the database can handle more than one of the same name, not to mention the confusion to players.

Uh yeah, if you haven't seen yet, they came over and made their faction on Syntax.

From what I heard, the faction on Vector died out a while ago and the one I'm in on Syntax, we just created it a month ago on Recursion, so I don't see a problem with it.

Darkangelus wrote:

Syntax is not very healthy itself

E Pluribus Neo - EPN exist on all of the servers i believe.
One will have to be renamed as i dont think the database can handle more than one of the same name, not to mention the confusion to players. 

Syntax is very healthy.

E Pluribus Neo is on Syntax, Pluribus Neo is on Recursion.  No problem.

Virrago wrote:

We currently have no plans for any server merges at this time.

That does not however mean you guys are not allowed to talk about them and we do read your opinions in these threads.

Also, I would much rather someone create a new thread then necro some 2 month old thread with old discussion in it as it is easier for us to read fresh threads then 2 month old ones.

Oh and for you guys flaming the Original Poster, you are not the forum police. That is my job, report the post and we will make the determination on if it violates a rule, rather then you quoting rules at someone which just leads to turning the thread into a flame fest.

Gotta Love Virrago! <3

I personally would welcome a server merg wheres the harm in a bigger population...

But if your gonna merg all 3 make it hostile coz I love lil old vector!

Fankuuu pleaseee!

The only reason people "forum police'd" in this thread, is just like the same time everyone gets the oh-so-fantastic and original idea to make a thread about sword combat. Or more animations. Maybe new abilities? Immediately they are shot down due to the fact that it's simply not possible, unless it is regurgitated from NPCs in this game. This thread about a server merge has definitely never been the first. Just because a thread is in a different forum and is a few months old doesn't really in my mind deserve to be reposted. If your opinion changes, why don't you just say so in the previous thread. Everytime someone posts a thread like this, there's either drama or people praying for a server merge to save their dying game (which honestly doesn't look that way in my eyes). In the end, Virrago said it himself, there are no plans for a server merge. And there have never been plans for a server merge since the previous one which was a long time ago.

As for my view? Well I wouldn't mind a server merge, but you know let's all discuss server merging like we always do, only to make another thread in the next 2 months when all we do then is just do the same thing we did in the previous thread. "Yes, no, maybe so." and avast, there are no server merges. I think that's called beating a dead horse.

That's really all I have to say.

Ballad...  Did you read Virrago's post? Read again.  So yes, this time a dev actually said something. I call that Progress.

well for what i get of Virrago's post is its not in planning but he doesnt exclude the possibility, so i think this thread has been very succesful in pointing out the views of most players who had a constructive opinion.

Avath wrote:

Ballad...  Did you read Virrago's post? Read again.  So yes, this time a dev actually said something. I call that Progress.

Virrago doesn't develop for MxO, he's the forum admin/Community Rep for Mxo.

eval wrote:

Avath wrote:

Ballad...  Did you read Virrago's post? Read again.  So yes, this time a dev actually said something. I call that Progress.

Virrago doesn't develop for MxO, he's the forum admin/Community Rep for Mxo.

sorry but i have seen him in mara and other districts fooling around with stuff , i say he does have something to do with it, dont think he does it as a hobby.

Virrago isnt a dev for mxo, he's the community relations for us. He has admin commands he can use ingame just like any csr.