Update 59 Discussion - April 03, 2008

Presence · 04/03/2008 16:39:27

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Flaming/trolling.

CPT_Starschwar · 04/03/2008 19:38:14

Rarebit wrote:

SolidRevolver wrote:
My guess is they were testing them to release them in the furture
Nope.
but accidently slipped them through this patch like Zen Master.
Apparently.

Pleeease? The Curit will write you poetry on demand forever, if you get these made. Promise.

Lezel · 04/03/2008 19:43:02

Whats up with them org abilities someone coded for me? I was barely awake and I remember a trade. It looked like a solid white box in the trade..and I uploaded only for it to disappear..if this goes in another thread my appologies..but whats up on all that? Is there supposed to be a tree on that *poop*? is it an exploit? when will it be made since the codes are in existence? were they inspired by the pills in the org constructs? so many questions, dudes

Zudrag · 04/03/2008 19:47:57

70-odd CQ in data mine today, 25 pieces of gum confiscated, and 0 deaths on my end.

All skill, totally. Also gank squad.

mantra777 · 04/03/2008 19:57:51

DARN you people!!! /SHAKEFIST! At least talk about this ORG ABILITIES when i'm at home and NOT @ WORK so i can test them out too... T_T

Oh and Vinia...

DRACOMET = 9MMFU i thought. SMILEY =P

Zudrag · 04/03/2008 19:59:46

mantra777 wrote:

DARN you people!!! /SHAKEFIST! At least talk about this ORG ABILITIES when i'm at home and NOT @ WORK so i can test them out too... T_T
Oh and Vinia...
DRACOMET = 9MMFU i thought. " /> =P

NoRepro = 9mmfu

mantra777 · 04/03/2008 20:09:09

Zudrag wrote:

mantra777 wrote:
DARN you people!!! /SHAKEFIST! At least talk about this ORG ABILITIES when i'm at home and NOT @ WORK so i can test them out too... T_T
Oh and Vinia...
DRACOMET = 9MMFU i thought. =P

NoRepro = 9mmfu

Ahh there ya go... My bad... thanks...

Just for you Zudrag :

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GypsyJuggler · 04/03/2008 20:49:23

*heart attack*

Zeac · 04/03/2008 21:30:41

YAY another almost full success out of the development roundtable!!!

GoDGiVeR · 04/04/2008 00:40:47

GypsyJuggler wrote:

*heart attack*

Indeed. *CENSORED* area stun? It's like giving mech operatives clamors that shoot everyone in the area. The stun on clamor is already overpowered (*CENSORED* compare the state "stun" to all other states and then compare clamors to bedlams in regards of reuse and relative % ), stun on the org-ability is too.

The Leo · 04/04/2008 01:49:39

GoDGiVeR wrote:

GypsyJuggler wrote:
*heart attack*

Indeed. *CENSORED* area stun? It's like giving mech operatives clamors that shoot everyone in the area. The stun on clamor is already overpowered (*CENSORED* compare the state "stun" to all other states and then compare clamors to bedlams in regards of reuse and relative % ), stun on the org-ability is too.

It only lasts 2-3 seconds tho and only works when u take dmg...

Procurator · 04/04/2008 01:49:50

GoDGiVeR wrote:

Indeed. *CENSORED* area stun? It's like giving mech operatives clamors that shoot everyone in the area. The stun on clamor is already overpowered (*CENSORED* compare the state "stun" to all other states and then compare clamors to bedlams in regards of reuse and relative % ), stun on the org-ability is too.

Nah. It takes a while to get a Stun to happen, and remember it's draining IS all the time, and quite rapidly too: you won't be able to fight as well as normal and wait for a Stun to happen.

Croesis · 04/04/2008 03:11:49

So... When's the hotfix coming? Obviously these weren't meant for proper release yet and Rarebit said they were going to be made unloadable (hopefully not permanently...)

AltDimension · 04/04/2008 04:43:06

Procurator wrote:

Needing maximum repuation will stop some people org hopping, the fickle beggars.

*Laughs at all org switchers*
Technically this means that people who do switch orgs will never use some of the abs. As getting to max rep is near impossible, even when you've only ever been running missions for 1 org.

Procurator · 04/04/2008 04:46:55

Exactly. I love it! SMILEY

I really, really hope these get implemented properly.

shearman · 04/04/2008 05:26:28

Does SSR Gum lose its flavor on the bedpost over night?

TonyJaa · 04/04/2008 05:41:11

Rarebit wrote:

SolidRevolver wrote:
but accidently slipped them through this patch like Zen Master.
Apparently.

Oh the memories....Hey Rare:
Zen master(by accident) and then CR2...
Org abilities(by accident) and then CR3???????????????????????
O.o

AltDimension · 04/04/2008 06:12:13

TonyJaa wrote:

Rarebit wrote:
SolidRevolver wrote:
but accidently slipped them through this patch like Zen Master.
Apparently.

Oh the memories....Hey Rare:
Zen master(by accident) and then CR2...
Org abilities(by accident) and then CR3???????????????????????
O.o

Don't count on it...

Aquatium. · 04/04/2008 06:19:16

Procurator wrote:

Exactly. I love it! " width="15" height="15" /> I really, really hope these get implemented properly.

Oh, if they ever do implement these LIVE, then the fact you need good org rep points is awesome!

What was mentioned about org abilites in the past was about their function, connected with active operatives (I believe).

One thing is clear, there is a BIG shift in buffs given and that most certainly needs to be addressed, if they are ever to be considered to be active, but yea it's awesome that you need to reputation to earn them and max rep for the top tier is a great thing too.

AltDimension · 04/04/2008 07:38:41

Aquatium. wrote:

Procurator wrote:
Exactly. I love it! " width="15" height="15" /> I really, really hope these get implemented properly.

Oh, if they ever do implement these LIVE, then the fact you need good org rep points is awesome!
What was mentioned about org abilites in the past was about their function, connected with active operatives (I believe).
One thing is clear, there is a BIG shift in buffs given and that most certainly needs to be addressed, if they are ever to be considered to be active, but yea it's awesome that you need to reputation to earn them and max rep for the top tier is a great thing too.

What?
Personally I think the buffs are fine. I know that are are powerful, but there is a use and long re-use timers which balances them out. Also if lots of people are running around with them, then things are balanced as everyone has the power.

Aquatium. · 04/04/2008 07:52:59

Tier 2? is serious flawed.

40% Health regen to Mecs.
15% Defense on all defenses to Mervs.
23 points of resistance to all attacks to Zion.

These have no timers and are passive.

Dulux · 04/04/2008 07:53:24

AltDimension wrote:

Also if lots of people are running around with them, then things are balanced as everyone has the power.

Someone better tell He-Man, he's gonna be miffed.

The Leo · 04/04/2008 08:04:13

Aquatium. wrote:

Tier 2? is serious flawed.
40% Health regen to Mecs.
15% Defense on all defenses to Mervs.
23 points of resistance to all attacks to Zion.
These have no timers and are passive.

Can't see the problem with it, just maybe up the mero one to 20%.

Aquatium. · 04/04/2008 08:10:42

Your kidding right?

Zion has he worst buff from it all.

SolidRevolver · 04/04/2008 08:15:21

Yeah, I'd say bring them up to 40-50pts of Resistance for Zion

Villemar_MxO · 04/04/2008 08:32:43

LOL at the nerf whiners already. These aren't even officialy and intentionally out yet. Relax.

Although, I am a bit worried at the max ability. It's cut off on the description as to what the rep requirement is, but if it's 127 that's gonna be a big problem. I've been Mero since beta and over the course of about two years I have gone up from 123 rep to 124 rep. If the odds of gaining a rep point stay at .001% or whatever then no one will get the top tier item unless they constantly grind standard missions for many, many months, and even then you could just be unlucky and never hit that magic number.

Procurator · 04/04/2008 08:46:23

Max rep represent! *Throws his fist in the air dramatically.*

Eh, that is to say, I have maximum reputation with the Machines. I know it can be tough to get max rep, but it's more a case of the people not getting it for years being unlucky than the ones who do get it being lucky. It took me a few months to go from 126 to 127, but not forever.

The Leo · 04/04/2008 08:52:24

Procurator wrote:

Max rep represent! *Throws his fist in the air dramatically.*

Eh, that is to say, I have maximum reputation with the Machines. I know it can be tough to get max rep, but it's more a case of the people not getting it for years being unlucky than the ones who do get it being lucky. It took me a few months to go from 126 to 127, but not forever.

And I've been stuck with 121 rep for over 4 months now...

NightTrace · 04/04/2008 09:33:55

I've been 123 or 124 [forget] for about five months now, and I was one point less then that for almost six months. so yeah.

Two rep points in about a year....

yeah, that's cool... SMILEY

GoDGiVeR · 04/04/2008 10:31:13

I've been stuck to 123 for the last 2 years? Anyways >_>

ZaneZavin · 04/04/2008 11:15:39

I think we should be looking at these like this.

1. What needs to be changed so these can go live?
       Bugs
             Obviously that one where people can use all of the org abilities.
       Balance Issues
             How balanced are they in comparison to the skills of the other orgs?
       Design
             Is there something with the design that must be changed because of what I said above?
             Do all of the abilities have proper visual for activation?
             What about ability icons?
                   I really think the community could make some great icons if they gave us specifications to work off of. (this is if icons don't already exist)

Development Team, Please find a way to work with us and get these into a usable state. Lets's not let this go the way of Zen master.

Villemar_MxO · 04/04/2008 11:58:04

NightTrace wrote:

I've been 123 or 124 [forget] for about five months now, and I was one point less then that for almost six months. so yeah.

Two rep points in about a year....

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Yeah I've been playing Villemar since beta and sometime over the course of last year I went from 123 to 124 (I almost fell out of my chair when I got that rep point). So, at that rate, despite my many, many days of /play time over the years, it looks like I can look forward to getting my Retribution ability in 2011.

NightTrace · 04/04/2008 12:03:56

I do have a question though, why do people keep trying to provide feedback on these things when their not even being worked on?

This is what HCFrog had done when he left.

We knew that.

We were never supposed to know they were coded up and there lying dormant.

Their not coming out, Rarebit has said as much in the past.

Could he be lying? Sure maybe, but I doubt it. The amount of balancing time that would have to go into it is to much "dev time" to invest because it would require sacrifice in other areas that they are not willing to sacrifice.

Oh, but aside from that point, dear lord fix rep gain plz.

Phluff · 04/04/2008 12:10:09

I think they slipped them in by accident... on purpose.... just so they could hint to us that they ARE being completed, and will be ready to use soon.

Only my opinion, and Phluffish intuition. >.>

ZaneZavin · 04/04/2008 12:12:56

I know they were tabled so to say, but that doesn't mean I want to give up on them. The devs were able to do something we were always told was impossible/not going to happen, in Datamine. I think a lot of people would love it if we really got new abilities like this.

NightTrace · 04/04/2008 12:13:45

No Phluff, that's just your supreme optimism kicking in :PPP

Phluff · 04/04/2008 12:24:37

NightTrace wrote:

No Phluff, that's just your supreme optimism kicking in PP

I'm much happier that way. SMILEY

Bayamos · 04/04/2008 12:24:45

We all thought Zen Master was a sneak peek too....

Guess what.

NightTrace · 04/04/2008 12:27:22

Exactly.

Croesis · 04/04/2008 14:06:01

This is all about 'pet projects' over the winter holiday and beginning of the year.

With Rarebit it was creating Datamine and with Dracomet it's finishing off the Org abilities, with 9mmFu QA'ing them

After they're done they're gonna have plenty of time (aside from their busy normal task time) to look at Zen and Citadel and all the others! After they're in they're probably gonna look at creating new clothing models...

I told you over the winter they had a tidy up of the office and found the instruction manuals for everything previously thought were lost or left with Monolith. Next year expect melee weapons!

Well... perhaps SMILEY

Still makes me wonder, if these were the abs that HCFrog was working on why have they suddenly appeared now after so many updates? Surely it cant be a matter of accidentally pressing the button next the to patch button...

Phluff · 04/04/2008 14:21:27

Vinia wrote:

Still makes me wonder, if these were the abs that HCFrog was working on why have they suddenly appeared now after so many updates? Surely it cant be a matter of accidentally pressing the button next the to patch button...

Exactly SMILEY

Villemar_MxO · 04/04/2008 14:27:46

These white boxes in our inventory (if you got bored and coded them last night like I did) are placeholders. They are the exact same white placeholder boxes that we saw in our inventory when /copied our characters over to the CR2 QA test server, placeholders for items that hadn't been given CR2 stats yet.

Placeholders are placeholders for something, not a random accident.

Rarebit · 04/04/2008 15:33:32

Phluff wrote:

Vinia wrote:
Still makes me wonder, if these were the abs that HCFrog was working on why have they suddenly appeared now after so many updates? Surely it cant be a matter of accidentally pressing the button next the to patch button...

Exactly

Oh yes it can.

The Leo · 04/04/2008 15:36:49

Rarebit wrote:

Phluff wrote:
Vinia wrote:
Still makes me wonder, if these were the abs that HCFrog was working on why have they suddenly appeared now after so many updates? Surely it cant be a matter of accidentally pressing the button next the to patch button...

Exactly " />
Oh yes it can.

And a bird just flew in my window and we both almost died. I think probability is about the same XD

AltDimension · 04/04/2008 15:37:31

Rarebit wrote:

Phluff wrote:
Vinia wrote:
Still makes me wonder, if these were the abs that HCFrog was working on why have they suddenly appeared now after so many updates? Surely it cant be a matter of accidentally pressing the button next the to patch button...

Exactly " />
Oh yes it can.

For god sake man! Give us just a little hope that they'll come back!
Give us a sign!

ZaneZavin · 04/04/2008 15:39:46

You learned how to build, maybe you can learn how to make/fix abilities? Please.

CPT_Starschwar · 04/04/2008 18:02:19

Rarebit wrote:

Phluff wrote:
Vinia wrote:
Still makes me wonder, if these were the abs that HCFrog was working on why have they suddenly appeared now after so many updates? Surely it cant be a matter of accidentally pressing the button next the to patch button...

Exactly " width="15" height="15" />
Oh yes it can.

Just crush our dreams allready. Stop giving us hope and tell us that you aren't working on them... the hope is killing us!

nubious81 · 04/04/2008 18:28:24

so does any one have the cords of the new collector ? i havent noticed him on the map.

Phluff · 04/04/2008 18:37:20

kou_urake wrote:

Rarebit wrote:
Phluff wrote:
Vinia wrote:
Still makes me wonder, if these were the abs that HCFrog was working on why have they suddenly appeared now after so many updates? Surely it cant be a matter of accidentally pressing the button next the to patch button...

Exactly " width="15" height="15">
Oh yes it can.

Just crush our dreams allready. Stop giving us hope and tell us that you aren't working on them... the hope is killing us!

You tell him Star!

Rarebit make Phluffy cry. =( =( =(

Delicho · 04/04/2008 18:37:37

Closest Hardline is Lemone Central in Richland. Dr. Martin (I think)