Update 59 Discussion - April 03, 2008

Virrago · 04/02/2008 15:49:25

This thread is for discussion of Update 59, which is scheduled to release on Thursday, April 03, 2008.

AltDimension · 04/02/2008 15:51:01

Hm...
Why is it a Hotfix? it I'm glad it looks like it's out tomorrow.

Yay! Signal Boosters can be recycled!
And Chapter FX's are no longer Singletons!

What about the Sentinal? Is there an update for that?

nubious81 · 04/02/2008 15:54:19

nice patch seems weird not to see 10.1 cinematic in there...

monkeymanx8 · 04/02/2008 15:56:30

nubious81 wrote:

nice patch seems weird not to see 10.1 cinematic in there...

I'm going to miss them deeply.

ReProgrammed · 04/02/2008 15:59:40

Yes is the sentinal being updated as well, or is that like an end of chapter thing....cuz that would suck.

CPT_Starschwar · 04/02/2008 16:00:29

Since the Sentinel can be updated without patching the game, it doesn't nessecarily have to be in patch notes... but I really hope we get one.

odj · 04/02/2008 16:04:01

nubious81 wrote:

nice patch seems weird not to see 10.1 cinematic in there...

Yea its what started off the chapters nicely got everyone on a level playing field. *grumbles*

SolidRevolver · 04/02/2008 16:06:45

Yay, I can mail my FX codes to myself now to save yet more Invent ^^

Boo, I will have to get a PB2 spawn or actually code a Portable Signal booster if I need one now.

The PSB still aren't worth the effort in my opinion, until they give bigger Coding/Decom/Compile buffs when holding it or reduces the amount of info and increases the XP payout when decomping and coding, then it would be a lot easier to just make you way to a stationary one. Also make the Decompiler Modual an item rather than a Luggable as that is useless too.

*by-passes the cinematic thing*

And I think we may need to introduce extra vendors for those Archives, it is getting pretty busy on them now. How about an NPC for every Archive Clothing set? i.e. One guy holds 1-4 Archives, one holds 5-8 and one holds 9-12 and when/if Chapter 13 is introduced, a new Vendor is placed. Obviously they hold only their respective org tokens still.

ReProgrammed · 04/02/2008 16:09:22

So how about those perma rewards now being rendered useless, since you can just make it so the regular ones are timed perfectly where you can loop them.

ZippyTheSquirrel · 04/02/2008 16:09:40

No singleton FX items?

Perp fire virus, here I come!

SolidRevolver · 04/02/2008 16:13:20

ZippyTheSquirrel wrote:

No singleton FX items?

Perp fire virus, here I come!

Nope, it will work like the Health Pills I'd think, activate 1 and all the others go onto a re-use timer too.

ZaneZavin · 04/02/2008 16:15:54

Mission archive chapter FX reward items, such as the Blue Headlamp, are no longer "Singleton" items.

Are they tradable as well? I thought they were going to be.

Aquilae · 04/02/2008 17:03:38

Virrago wrote:

Bug Fixes

Fixed a typo in the operator's text at the beginning of the second phase of Zion mission 9.2.5, "Building 27."
Fixed a typo in Malphas' text in Merovingian critical mission 9.3.4 (thanks Nicks).
Fixed a typo in the operator's text in the first phase of Mr. Po's first mission, "Shadowplay."
Fixed a clipping problem on the warehouse towers in the NW corner of Datamine.

Epic.

Kybutra · 04/02/2008 17:04:34

Portable signal boosters can now be recycled.

<3

Lezel · 04/02/2008 17:08:02

so should luggables..just to *CENSORED* people off

<3<3

Danger_Frog1471 · 04/02/2008 18:58:37

thank fook (: cant wait to test the new DM stuff out >.<

Zudrag · 04/02/2008 19:02:18

ZippyTheSquirrel wrote:

No singleton FX items?

Perp fire virus, here I come!

They're all on the same timer, so you can't have a wanna-be perp.

You can, however, email them to yourself to save inventory space.

Zudrag · 04/02/2008 23:03:35

Where's the mission posts at, yo?

Rarebit · 04/02/2008 23:37:21

Oh, those.

Havocide · 04/03/2008 00:50:34

Zudrag wrote:

ZippyTheSquirrel wrote:
No singleton FX items?

Perp fire virus, here I come!
They're all on the same timer, so you can't have a wanna-be perp.

You can, however, email them to yourself to save inventory space.

You can set up a macro timer to 'effectively' make it semi perp

cloudwolf · 04/03/2008 01:59:28

Not sure if it's right but the notes made it sound like they've opened up the buildings floors, mission areas and all, as normal play spaces filled with these SSR guys, if so, thats pretty freakin' cool.

FrozenFyre · 04/03/2008 02:14:18

WOAH! MAJOR DELAY ON THIS ONE!!!

According to the notes this patch ain't out till February - guess we'll just have to keep playing with the Smithlings a while longer eh?!

AltDimension · 04/03/2008 02:26:38

FrozenFyre wrote:

WOAH! MAJOR DELAY ON THIS ONE!!!

According to the notes this patch ain't out till February - guess we'll just have to keep playing with the Smithlings a while longer eh?!

Fail.

Croesis · 04/03/2008 03:08:36

Luggable FX

Silly Walrus!

D'oh!

As for the makeshift (Semi) Perpetuals, how'd you do that then? If all same FX's are on the same timer a la health pills then you'll have a big gap between the FX ending and restarting, oh you can macro it to make it happen without having to activate it manually, but whats the point in having it turn on and off like a slow beacon? Besides... you can do that now anyway...

ZippyTheSquirrel · 04/03/2008 04:19:31

Zudrag wrote:

ZippyTheSquirrel wrote:
No singleton FX items?

Perp fire virus, here I come!
They're all on the same timer, so you can't have a wanna-be perp.

You can, however, email them to yourself to save inventory space.

Oh, good. I was being sarcastic anyway. /talkrelieved

The Leo · 04/03/2008 05:28:36

ZippyTheSquirrel wrote:

Zudrag wrote:
ZippyTheSquirrel wrote:
No singleton FX items?

Perp fire virus, here I come!
They're all on the same timer, so you can't have a wanna-be perp.

You can, however, email them to yourself to save inventory space.
Oh, good. I was being sarcastic anyway. /talkrelieved

Actually thts fked up for everyone who can't get any of the perps, and it would have been a nice substitute...

Croesis · 04/03/2008 05:34:51

The Leo wrote:

Actually thts fked up for everyone who can't get any of the perps, and it would have been a nice substitute...

Perps are awards, not all awards are given for last shot kills or for participating in a live event. Being able to make a substitute Perp would devalue those who did manage to achieve one.

The Leo · 04/03/2008 06:41:57

Vinia wrote:

The Leo wrote:
Actually thts fked up for everyone who can't get any of the perps, and it would have been a nice substitute...
Perps are awards, not all awards are given for last shot kills or for participating in a live event. Being able to make a substitute Perp would devalue those who did manage to achieve one.

Yeah by achieving one is compared HOW to farming one 3 times? Which do u think consumes more time and "skill"??

BTW where is the fix for butterfly?? Can't be tht hard to fix an ab tht always hits against normal tactics...

-Collbard- · 04/03/2008 06:50:05

The Leo wrote:

Vinia wrote:
The Leo wrote:
Actually thts fked up for everyone who can't get any of the perps, and it would have been a nice substitute...
Perps are awards, not all awards are given for last shot kills or for participating in a live event. Being able to make a substitute Perp would devalue those who did manage to achieve one.
Yeah by achieving one is compared HOW to farming one 3 times? Which do u think consumes more time and "skill"??

BTW where is the fix for butterfly?? Can't be tht hard to fix an ab tht always hits against normal tactics...

Anyone who grinds 135 missions in order to almost have a perp item cares way too much about a ridiculous graphic effect.

The Leo · 04/03/2008 07:53:09

-Collbard- wrote:

The Leo wrote:
Vinia wrote:
The Leo wrote:
Actually thts fked up for everyone who can't get any of the perps, and it would have been a nice substitute...
Perps are awards, not all awards are given for last shot kills or for participating in a live event. Being able to make a substitute Perp would devalue those who did manage to achieve one.
Yeah by achieving one is compared HOW to farming one 3 times? Which do u think consumes more time and "skill"??

BTW where is the fix for butterfly?? Can't be tht hard to fix an ab tht always hits against normal tactics...

Anyone who grinds 135 missions in order to almost have a perp item cares way too much about a ridiculous graphic effect.

You are forgetting the headgear farming...

Croesis · 04/03/2008 08:05:54

The Leo wrote:

Vinia wrote:
The Leo wrote:
Actually thts fked up for everyone who can't get any of the perps, and it would have been a nice substitute...
Perps are awards, not all awards are given for last shot kills or for participating in a live event. Being able to make a substitute Perp would devalue those who did manage to achieve one.
Yeah by achieving one is compared HOW to farming one 3 times? Which do u think consumes more time and "skill"??

BTW where is the fix for butterfly?? Can't be tht hard to fix an ab tht always hits against normal tactics...

Lawl, so you measure awards based on time taken to do it? What skill is there in repeating the same missions over and over again? Graphical effects aren't the same a buffed clothing now are they? There aren't many awards to aim for, FM-1500 or Perps at the moment and the FM-1500 being Machinist only, being able to make your own perpetual whatever eliminates the point in aiming to get a perp.

Until each org gets their own weapon or piece of unique clothing the normal effects shouldn't be able to be rigged into a makeshift perp.

Agreed on the butterfly fix though, all MA is at the moment is a butterfly spamfest...

The Leo · 04/03/2008 08:28:26

Vinia wrote:

The Leo wrote:
Vinia wrote:
The Leo wrote:
Actually thts fked up for everyone who can't get any of the perps, and it would have been a nice substitute...
Perps are awards, not all awards are given for last shot kills or for participating in a live event. Being able to make a substitute Perp would devalue those who did manage to achieve one.
Yeah by achieving one is compared HOW to farming one 3 times? Which do u think consumes more time and "skill"??

BTW where is the fix for butterfly?? Can't be tht hard to fix an ab tht always hits against normal tactics...
Lawl, so you measure awards based on time taken to do it? What skill is there in repeating the same missions over and over again? Graphical effects aren't the same a buffed clothing now are they? There aren't many awards to aim for, FM-1500 or Perps at the moment and the FM-1500 being Machinist only, being able to make your own perpetual whatever eliminates the point in aiming to get a perp.

Until each org gets their own weapon or piece of unique clothing the normal effects shouldn't be able to be rigged into a makeshift perp.

Agreed on the butterfly fix though, all MA is at the moment is a butterfly spamfest...

You realize I talk about people who almost never make it into LE and such... the awards are just one more thing they miss which can be handled unlike the LE itself.

Croesis · 04/03/2008 08:40:53

The Leo wrote:

You realize I talk about people who almost never make it into LE and such... the awards are just one more thing they miss which can be handled unlike the LE itself.

I do, yes. But not all awards are for attending a LE, Procurator got his award for making a code for his 'virus' Natasha got her code eyes for her stunning entry in Machinist of the year. It doesn't happen as often as it should, thats where Liaisons can think something up for their Org members though.

Havocide · 04/03/2008 08:44:45

Vinia wrote:

The Leo wrote:
You realize I talk about people who almost never make it into LE and such... the awards are just one more thing they miss which can be handled unlike the LE itself.
I do, yes. But not all awards are for attending a LE, Procurator got his award for making a code for his 'virus' Natasha got her code eyes for her stunning entry in Machinist of the year. It doesn't happen as often as it should, thats where Liaisons can think something up for their Org members though.

Yea but Liaisons dont do stuff like that. Your lucky if they jack in.

AltDimension · 04/03/2008 08:50:55

Havocide wrote:

Vinia wrote:
The Leo wrote:
You realize I talk about people who almost never make it into LE and such... the awards are just one more thing they miss which can be handled unlike the LE itself.
I do, yes. But not all awards are for attending a LE, Procurator got his award for making a code for his 'virus' Natasha got her code eyes for her stunning entry in Machinist of the year. It doesn't happen as often as it should, thats where Liaisons can think something up for their Org members though.
Yea but Liaisons dont do stuff like that. Your lucky if they jack in.

*Laughs at Syntax Liaisons*
Recursion Liaisons are generally very active, especially Merrit.

Croesis · 04/03/2008 08:51:31

Havocide wrote:

Vinia wrote:
The Leo wrote:
You realize I talk about people who almost never make it into LE and such... the awards are just one more thing they miss which can be handled unlike the LE itself.
I do, yes. But not all awards are for attending a LE, Procurator got his award for making a code for his 'virus' Natasha got her code eyes for her stunning entry in Machinist of the year. It doesn't happen as often as it should, thats where Liaisons can think something up for their Org members though.
Yea but Liaisons dont do stuff like that. Your lucky if they jack in.

I'll let Vogt know that next time I see him... SMILEY

The Liaisons have the ability to make up tournaments or tasks etc.. and get approval from Rarebit to award people for winning or completeing it, whether they use it or not is down to them. It's not fair on some players if they don't and others do, but thats really an issue to bring up to Rarebit to address as he see's fit.

Mona · 04/03/2008 08:55:01

Nice patch SMILEY

CPT_Starschwar · 04/03/2008 08:59:26

For reference, Vogt and Simlo are very active and always in contact.

Croesis · 04/03/2008 09:00:44

kou_urake wrote:

For reference, Vogt and Simlo are very active and always in contact.

QFT

Pylat · 04/03/2008 09:11:31

Nice patch, new content is fun but not too exhausting. Struck a good balance so it isn't a massive grind to collect the items.

A fix for the Agent Spawns on Zion would have been nice though.

Siepher · 04/03/2008 09:22:18

Great patch. Thanks!

Procurator · 04/03/2008 09:44:44

kou_urake wrote:

For reference, Vogt and Simlo are very active and always in contact.

Quoted for even more emphasis.

letsrock · 04/03/2008 09:53:56

Nice patch. thank you Rarebit. easy to farm gum for the reward items though. took my friend 2 hours to get one of the collector items. lev52's should be lev53's maybe.

Zudrag · 04/03/2008 12:28:56

Well, I'm sure we slowed down a bunch of people. I saw a lot of people go offline after we killed them in data mine.

Also, I was very surprised to see the Smith Virions still in game. And overjoyed.

NightTrace · 04/03/2008 12:42:12

Vinia wrote:

The Leo wrote:
You realize I talk about people who almost never make it into LE and such... the awards are just one more thing they miss which can be handled unlike the LE itself.
I do, yes. But not all awards are for attending a LE, Procurator got his award for making a code for his 'virus' Natasha got her code eyes for her stunning entry in Machinist of the year. It doesn't happen as often as it should, thats where Liaisons can think something up for their Org members though.

Good for Syntax? What about the rest of us?

Vinia wrote:

The Liaisons have the ability to make up tournaments or tasks etc.. and get approval from Rarebit to award people for winning or completeing it, whether they use it or not is down to them. It's not fair on some players if they don't and others do, but thats really an issue to bring up to Rarebit to address as he see's fit.

Been there done that, beat the horse to death and back and to death again. The answer from Rarebit is "LEAVE LESIG ALONE! :PPP " to paraphrase.

ArchDuke · 04/03/2008 13:03:33

Vinia wrote:

kou_urake wrote:
For reference, Vogt and Simlo are very active and always in contact.
QFT

Harkee and Trepetia are very active as well. We just got a new 3rd Liason so I've yet to make an opinion about him yet.

And I just saw BloodlustV at Tab East.

Rarebit · 04/03/2008 13:08:12

Zudrag wrote:

Also, I was very surprised to see the Smith Virions still in game. And overjoyed.

They and the Virologists are supposed to be gone. There was some server-side fiddling-around that apparently didn't happen when the update went Live. They'll probably be removed during an overnight server restart sometime pretty soon.

Zudrag · 04/03/2008 13:10:30

Rarebit wrote:

Zudrag wrote:

Also, I was very surprised to see the Smith Virions still in game. And overjoyed.
They and the Virologists are supposed to be gone. There was some server-side fiddling-around that apparently didn't happen when the update went Live. They'll probably be removed during an overnight server restart sometime pretty soon.

Nooooooooo, don't take them, I love them. :(

ArchDuke · 04/03/2008 13:15:20

Zudrag wrote:

Rarebit wrote:
Zudrag wrote:

Also, I was very surprised to see the Smith Virions still in game. And overjoyed.
They and the Virologists are supposed to be gone. There was some server-side fiddling-around that apparently didn't happen when the update went Live. They'll probably be removed during an overnight server restart sometime pretty soon.

Nooooooooo, don't take them, I love them.

Sir, you've had quite enough. We're cutting you off. If we catch you with it again, we'll have to have an Intervention.

Rarebit · 04/03/2008 13:37:03

Ooh the load from the new interiors or something is causing the servers to split Datamine into two /who areas in some cases.