Update 58 Discussion

The Leo wrote:

Oh btw the datamine will probs ruin the mxo economy, but who cares...

They will probably switch it down to 5x the normal tap rather than 10x " />

odj wrote:

The Leo wrote:

Oh btw the datamine will probs ruin the mxo economy, but who cares...

They will probably switch it down to 5x the normal tap rather than 10x ">

Yup better join the lagfest and make your billions while you can

I'm on it! 

flecky wrote:

odj wrote:

The Leo wrote:

Oh btw the datamine will probs ruin the mxo economy, but who cares...

They will probably switch it down to 5x the normal tap rather than 10x ">

Yup better join the lagfest and make your billions while you can

I'm on it!  " />

SolidRevolver wrote:

flecky wrote:

odj wrote:

The Leo wrote:

Oh btw the datamine will probs ruin the mxo economy, but who cares...

They will probably switch it down to 5x the normal tap rather than 10x ">

Yup better join the lagfest and make your billions while you can

I'm on it!  " />

Remember I pay good for the kills Solid... mwahahaha

*hand hovers over the $info nerf button*

The Leo wrote:

SolidRevolver wrote:

flecky wrote:

odj wrote:

The Leo wrote:

Oh btw the datamine will probs ruin the mxo economy, but who cares...

They will probably switch it down to 5x the normal tap rather than 10x ">

Yup better join the lagfest and make your billions while you can

I'm on it!  " />

Remember I pay good for the kills Solid... mwahahaha

We'll have to see how it goes. So far I'm seeing far too much love and not enough ganking!

oh wow how you nerfed MA... now a person with gunman stats can load up kungfu GM and outroll a normal MA " />

Datamine rocks on a grand scale. Congratulations Rarebit (and anyone else who may have worked on it but kept their efforts unmentioned). " width="15" height="15" />

Yeah Datamine is really cool ! Gratz and thank you devs ! I can't wait to see the Phase 2 :p

oh wow how you nerfed MA... now a person with gunman stats can load up kungfu GM and outroll a normal MA " width="15" height="15" />

Whaaa? you mean Kung Fu isn'ta a normal MA?

What? it takes the short bus to the simulation each morning?

/endsarcasm

No changes to the MA trees occured. If you are looking for the problem its isn't in the opponents loadout.

Something small that has been annoying me as I have seen it a lot:

You've failed to tap a Data Node.
You've tapped out a data node.

Why is one upper case and the other isn't?  >_<

Also for refference, I have made well over 100million today and I havent sold a thing ^_^

The Leo wrote:

SolidRevolver wrote:

flecky wrote:

odj wrote:

The Leo wrote:

Oh btw the datamine will probs ruin the mxo economy, but who cares...

They will probably switch it down to 5x the normal tap rather than 10x ">

Yup better join the lagfest and make your billions while you can

I'm on it!  " />

Remember I pay good for the kills Solid... mwahahaha

We'll have to see how it goes. So far I'm seeing far too much love and not enough ganking!

Fortunately it's a server variable we can update at any time. =)

*hand hovers over the $info nerf button*

Rarebit wrote:

The Leo wrote:

SolidRevolver wrote:

flecky wrote:

odj wrote:

The Leo wrote:

Oh btw the datamine will probs ruin the mxo economy, but who cares...

They will probably switch it down to 5x the normal tap rather than 10x ">

Yup better join the lagfest and make your billions while you can

I'm on it!  " />

Remember I pay good for the kills Solid... mwahahaha

We'll have to see how it goes. So far I'm seeing far too much love and not enough ganking!

Fortunately it's a server variable we can update at any time. =)

*hand hovers over the $info nerf button*

Should of been looking at Syntax then.

Hmmm... well, it's not a bad place.  Honestly, I'm not finding it as visually appealing as I thought I would based on the pictures... and it's not nearly as large as I was expecting.. though I certainly appreciate the work that must have been involved and hope it's only the start of bigger and better things.

The amount of info you can earn is quite nice, but I'm sure at some point it's going to have to be nerfed.

I don't mind the forced PvP as much as I thought I would.. even if I still suck at PvP.  It's not as chaotic as I was imagining it would be.

Could we possibly see some of the unused Datanode spawns used only in Datamine in the future? I.e. Smiths, Data monsters, etc... Maybe to kick things up a small notch?

i like these new groups like 2mech2merv2zion vs 1cyph - FAIL

EDIT: who complained about lack of hostility in there again?

Trinite wrote:

...if you are going to class balance, then  the hacker vs ma  issues need to be addressed. 

You talking about hacker vs MA in general, one on one, or in a zerg situation? My impression has been that so far in this thread, it's hackers in a zerg that the MAs and gunmen are concerned about, not so much one-on-one.

Another question I have is, do people use Hackers as anti-zerg? I mean, I'd think that if you were being attacked by a gang of people, you'd want crowd-control, and the offensive AOEs in the Hacker trees would be a way to get that. But maybe it doesn't work out that way? Or is it just that these are the MAs and gunmen chiming in on the small-end-of-the-zerg side?

(^ The above example of ability-related ignorance is why I'm not involved in ability changes. " width="15" height="15">

I meant 1 vs 1

In a duel or 1vs 1  Pvp, Hackers suffer tremendously on their rolls.  The Interlock Accuracy bonus is far in the negatives, because they're a ranged class.   A Hacker should stay out of interlock as long as they can, but still be able to hold their own.  When faced against an MA (a class that is interlock-only), duels become one-sided for a reason.  The only caveat here is the same one in PvP (Network Attacker). 

There's quite a few factors that go into balancing Hacker, and the change they made with this patch is for the better, in my opinion.  This change makes Hackers more effective in PvP, since everyone isn't running Hyper-Deflect all the time.  In a duel or 1 vs 1 pvp, it won't change a thing.  I would lessen the accuracy penalty on all viral attacks other than the ones in Network Attacker, and see how it works.  It can't be more than 5 points, I would think.

Yeah I was thinking the place needed a boss as well, and the reward for taking down the boss should fall above the top tier lootable items in the game because you have to face free for all pvp, random tapping spawns etc...The place is really tough. If you were to make the boss an Assassin clone I wouldn't give the mask as the drop though they would flood the market in a matter of days even if the drop was 1%. The Assassin was also know for his weapons. I'd make the drop (provided the boss was the Assassin or some other guntoting person of uber note) The System magnum, and now before everyone cries only the Mechs can use it...Have variants. There are three variants per sex per boss drop in every hide out, just make 3 versions of the gun..The original mech one and zion and merv hacked versions. The gun isn't so uber it would unbalance (its only 15-15 with a buff) Good construct boss material.

So far I think the new construct is cool. I like the thing, that you need to watch around you for posible attackers or snipers/MKT....and you get a little paranoid lol. And when you run around the corner you never know someone just spawned a Wasteland Monster, and you Zapped.

Are there Luggable's in the new construct??

EDIT: forgot something....

I'd make the drop (provided the boss was the Assassin or some other guntoting person of uber note) The System magnum, and now before everyone cries only the Mechs can use it...Have variants. There are three variants per sex per boss drop in every hide out, just make 3 versions of the gun..The original mech one and zion and merv hacked versions. The gun isn't so uber it would unbalance (its only 15-15 with a buff) Good construct boss material.

i like these new groups like 2mech2merv2zion vs 1cyph - FAIL

EDIT: who complained about lack of hostility in there again?

Really?  I'm rather fond of the 4zion1mech vs 1zion - FAIL

Do I sound bitter? You betcha.  At first I liked the idea of the new construct but won't be going back.  I find it personally distasteful to see the total destruction of the whole org vs org thing in there and seeing certain zions who will remain nameless (as they deserve), targeting nothing but other zions and teaming up with the other orgs to do it.  It was really disappointing.

 I do like the email changes though.  Thanks for that.

Silenci0 wrote:

i like these new groups like 2mech2merv2zion vs 1cyph - FAIL

EDIT: who complained about lack of hostility in there again?

Really?  I'm rather fond of the 4zion1mech vs 1zion - FAIL

Do I sound bitter? You betcha.  At first I liked the idea of the new construct but won't be going back.  I find it personally distasteful to see the total destruction of the whole org vs org thing in there and seeing certain zions who will remain nameless (as they deserve), targeting nothing but other zions and teaming up with the other orgs to do it.  It was really disappointing.

 I do like the email changes though.  Thanks for that.

You was warned before entering the construct that it is a FFA area, so I really can't see why you complain?? Even with the FFA, we still had some good fights in the construct (Zion+EPN vs eveybody else) and that was fun. Total destrcution og the whole organization over this...then our Dev's really have destroyed the game, is that what you are saying??

Yeah um.  Calm down people.

FFA = Free For All.

No rules.  Do what you want.

FenicFox wrote:

Silenci0 wrote:

i like these new groups like 2mech2merv2zion vs 1cyph - FAIL

EDIT: who complained about lack of hostility in there again?

Really?  I'm rather fond of the 4zion1mech vs 1zion - FAIL

Do I sound bitter? You betcha.  At first I liked the idea of the new construct but won't be going back.  I find it personally distasteful to see the total destruction of the whole org vs org thing in there and seeing certain zions who will remain nameless (as they deserve), targeting nothing but other zions and teaming up with the other orgs to do it.  It was really disappointing.

 I do like the email changes though.  Thanks for that.

You was warned before entering the construct that it is a FFA area, so I really can't see why you complain?? Even with the FFA, we still had some good fights in the construct (Zion+EPN vs eveybody else) and that was fun. Total destrcution og the whole organization over this...then our Dev's really have destroyed the game, is that what you are saying??

LOL.  Nope.  Never said it was destroyed for the whole game.  I said it was destroyed "in there."  Although I have to admit it does kinda destroy it for me outside when I see those same people at mara wanting help from those same zions.  Guess I won't feel disposed to help them out any. Kinda changes my whole view of things.   But that's just me.  I'm glad you all like it so much.  And I'm sorry, but I must have missed it.  I never saw any Zion+EPN against everybody else.  All I saw was zion+mech teamed up against all other zions.  They weren't attacking the other orgs that I could see, so yes, I found it very disappointing.  And yes, I was warned.  Guess I just tend to underestimate the treachery of some folks.  My bad.  And no, I won't be going back.

 Edit:  I should clarify, I'm referring to the blurring of the IC vs OOC in there.  I'm one of those idealistic weirdos I guess and it just goes against the grain to see people calling themselves Zion intentionally targetting other Zions with no regard for the story whatsoever. To coin a phrase, it ruins my immersion.  But I guess every game has those types.  I just choose to stay as far away from them as is possible in a game like this.

LOL.  Nope.  Never said it was destroyed for the whole game.  I said it was destroyed "in there."  Although I have to admit it does kinda destroy it for me outside when I see those same people at mara wanting help from those same zions.  Guess I won't feel disposed to help them out any. Kinda changes my whole view of things.   But that's just me.  I'm glad you all like it so much.  And I'm sorry, but I must have missed it.  I never saw any Zion+EPN against everybody else.  All I saw was zion+mech teamed up against all other zions.  They weren't attacking the other orgs that I could see, so yes, I found it very disappointing.  And yes, I was warned.  Guess I just tend to underestimate the treachery of some folks.  My bad.  And no, I won't be going back.

 Edit:  I should clarify, I'm referring to the blurring of the IC vs OOC in there.  I'm one of those idealistic weirdos I guess and it just goes against the grain to see people calling themselves Zion intentionally targetting other Zions with no regard for the story whatsoever. To coin a phrase, it ruins my immersion.  But I guess every game has those types.  I just choose to stay as far away from them as is possible in a game like this.

~ A Phavor Phrom Phluff ~

Any of you on Myspace... could you leave 'your thoughts on data mine' as comments on the MxOSpace Profile?  http://www.myspace.com/mxospace  So new people can see what we're all saying.    I think that would be a big help.

/phormalcurtsey

~ A Phavor Phrom Phluff ~

Any of you on Myspace... could you leave 'your thoughts on data mine' as comments on the MxOSpace Profile?  " /> http://www.myspace.com/mxospace  So new people can see what we're all saying.  " />  I think that would be a big help.

/phormalcurtsey

Mindsweep wrote:

FenicFox wrote:

Silenci0 wrote:

i like these new groups like 2mech2merv2zion vs 1cyph - FAIL

EDIT: who complained about lack of hostility in there again?

Really?  I'm rather fond of the 4zion1mech vs 1zion - FAIL

Do I sound bitter? You betcha.  At first I liked the idea of the new construct but won't be going back.  I find it personally distasteful to see the total destruction of the whole org vs org thing in there and seeing certain zions who will remain nameless (as they deserve), targeting nothing but other zions and teaming up with the other orgs to do it.  It was really disappointing.

 I do like the email changes though.  Thanks for that.

You was warned before entering the construct that it is a FFA area, so I really can't see why you complain?? Even with the FFA, we still had some good fights in the construct (Zion+EPN vs eveybody else) and that was fun. Total destrcution og the whole organization over this...then our Dev's really have destroyed the game, is that what you are saying??

LOL.  Nope.  Never said it was destroyed for the whole game.  I said it was destroyed "in there."  Although I have to admit it does kinda destroy it for me outside when I see those same people at mara wanting help from those same zions.  Guess I won't feel disposed to help them out any. Kinda changes my whole view of things.   But that's just me.  I'm glad you all like it so much.  And I'm sorry, but I must have missed it.  I never saw any Zion+EPN against everybody else.  All I saw was zion+mech teamed up against all other zions.  They weren't attacking the other orgs that I could see, so yes, I found it very disappointing.  And yes, I was warned.  Guess I just tend to underestimate the treachery of some folks.  My bad.  And no, I won't be going back.

 Edit:  I should clarify, I'm referring to the blurring of the IC vs OOC in there.  I'm one of those idealistic weirdos I guess and it just goes against the grain to see people calling themselves Zion intentionally targetting other Zions with no regard for the story whatsoever. To coin a phrase, it ruins my immersion.  But I guess every game has those types.  I just choose to stay as far away from them as is possible in a game like this.

lol is it meant to randomly place you inside a building O.o I got stuck

Mona wrote:

lol is it meant to randomly place you inside a building O.o I got stuck " />

Hm... No, it isn't *supposed* to spawn you indoors.

Rarebit wrote:

Mona wrote:

lol is it meant to randomly place you inside a building O.o I got stuck " />

Hm... No, it isn't *supposed* to spawn you indoors.

I got that too once, though luckly after some nifty camera manouvering i discovered i was actually stuck in one of the doors to the helipad, so i eh, opened it...crisis averted

Can't say I like getting dogged by level 255 agents for tapping data nodes... IN A CONSTRUCT! But, other than that, it ain't half bad, as long as you remember to keep your shield up and get ready to jump at the first sign of trouble. The money's good, and the atmosphere is also good.

Freelancer117 wrote:

Can't say I like getting dogged by level 255 agents for tapping data nodes... IN A CONSTRUCT! But, other than that, it ain't half bad, as long as you remember to keep your shield up and get ready to jump at the first sign of trouble. The money's good, and the atmosphere is also good.

It is a bit aggravating, but the spawn frequency seems to vary. I was in there for over an hour my first time and no agents spawned. Sometimes they spawn within 5 minutes. It can be a pain, but it's still good info and a fun place... and I think the FFA / Agents are necessary features to prevent people from macro - bot farming the place.

Bayamos wrote:

Freelancer117 wrote:

Can't say I like getting dogged by level 255 agents for tapping data nodes... IN A CONSTRUCT! But, other than that, it ain't half bad, as long as you remember to keep your shield up and get ready to jump at the first sign of trouble. The money's good, and the atmosphere is also good.

It is a bit aggravating, but the spawn frequency seems to vary. I was in there for over an hour my first time and no agents spawned. Sometimes they spawn within 5 minutes. It can be a pain, but it's still good info and a fun place... and I think the FFA / Agents are necessary features to prevent people from macro - bot farming the place.

Yup afk farmers would make a killing from this if they could.

Datamine is great, but I just noticed the email features finally... wow. It's about time. I can put entire clothing outfits (MA duels, coder clothes, etc) into individual emails. No longer will 2 of my 3 character per server slots be devoted to mules for my main. Yay for 12 items per email and being able to store up to 300 emails!

Bayamos wrote:

Datamine is great, but I just noticed the email features finally... wow. It's about time. I can put entire clothing outfits (MA duels, coder clothes, etc) into individual emails. No longer will 2 of my 3 character per server slots be devoted to mules for my main. Yay for 12 items per email and being able to store up to 300 emails!

A-F'ing-Men.  I got more excited over the email changed than I did Datamine " />