kou_urake wrote:
/agree
Exactly - if I wanted nonstop combat, I'd be on vector.
/agree
Image Retrieval - February 07, 2008
259 posts · 2008-02-07 07:34:05 to 2008-02-13 23:55:38
Grave wrote:
So... With this new area, Zion can fight EPN and Mech can fight Cyph, huh ?
kou_urake wrote:Friendly fire enabled? Good. Mandatory pvp? Makes the area worthless to me.
lol Try living on Vector. From my point of view this is just what we needed to have some were new to go and fight if we wish to just cuz we are all flaged that dos not mine we have to fight. lol but just think if there was anyone in your org you would like to kill now you can... see not all badGrave
So... With this new area, Zion can fight EPN and Mech can fight Cyph, huh ?
Yes.
YES.
A THOUSAND TIMES YES!
7 Archivist Proxies? 7 ways to enter this construct? 4 new Archivist Proxies to hunt down?
0uranos wrote:
Grave wrote:Mech can fight Mech, Zion can fight Zion and Merv can fight Merv.kou_urake wrote:Friendly fire enabled? Good. Mandatory pvp? Makes the area worthless to me.
lol Try living on Vector. From my point of view this is just what we needed to have some were new to go and fight if we wish to just cuz we are all flaged that dos not mine we have to fight. lol but just think if there was anyone in your org you would like to kill now you can... see not all badGrave
So... With this new area, Zion can fight EPN and Mech can fight Cyph, huh ?
Phluff wrote:
kou_urake wrote:Exactly - if I wanted nonstop combat, I'd be on vector.
/agree
/superagree
Hopefully it will be like Vinia pointed out and only be FFAPVP if you type /pvp
Keep pressing the F5 button for 7 hours.. WORTH IT!
*presses the PRINT button*
*presses the PRINT button*
TSR Eryk N.: The game is done. The service and support stopped.
SolidRevolver wrote:
Phluff wrote:Yes, that's the ideal situation right there.kou_urake wrote:Exactly - if I wanted nonstop combat, I'd be on vector.
/agree
/superagreeHopefully it will be like Vinia pointed out and only be FFAPVP if you type /pvp
well maybe certain areas will be pvp? like that big baseball field! or w/e it is
Yeah, if this area is an open PvP area it really diminishes the interest to me as well. While FFA PvP is better than the standard PvP arrangement, it's still not something I'll bother engaging in very often... and data mining is still just an extremely boring thing to do as far as I'm concerned, so yeah... *shrug* In any case, I guess we'll just have to wait on more info. The area itself looks beautiful, and I won't argue that some parts of it look like they will be very good for PvP, but I'm just not quite as interested now as I was before.
Gerik wrote:
That makes this place really interesting then. More then just a simple PvP archive...
0uranos wrote:Grave wrote:Mech can fight Mech, Zion can fight Zion and Merv can fight Merv.kou_urake wrote:Friendly fire enabled? Good. Mandatory pvp? Makes the area worthless to me.
lol Try living on Vector. From my point of view this is just what we needed to have some were new to go and fight if we wish to just cuz we are all flaged that dos not mine we have to fight. lol but just think if there was anyone in your org you would like to kill now you can... see not all badGrave
So... With this new area, Zion can fight EPN and Mech can fight Cyph, huh ?
That makes this place really interesting then. More then just a simple PvP archive...
ManicV wrote:
lol see not all badYes.
YES.
A THOUSAND TIMES YES!
7 Archivist Proxies? 7 ways to enter this construct? 4 new Archivist Proxies to hunt down?
Leader Of Faction 'Project Mayhem'
Capt. Of The Derigible
We are one we are strong the more you hold us down the more we push on...
Capt. Of The Derigible
We are one we are strong the more you hold us down the more we push on...
Phluff wrote:
kou_urake wrote:Exactly - if I wanted nonstop combat, I'd be on vector.
/agree
The non-hostile servers have PvP constructs. How is this any different?
ManicV wrote:
This one actually seems worth going to for non-combat purposes.
Phluff wrote:kou_urake wrote:Exactly - if I wanted nonstop combat, I'd be on vector.
/agree
The non-hostile servers have PvP constructs. How is this any different?
This one actually seems worth going to for non-combat purposes.
Pvp for the win, vector ftw.
ManicV wrote:
Phluff wrote:what he said.kou_urake wrote:Exactly - if I wanted nonstop combat, I'd be on vector.
/agree
The non-hostile servers have PvP constructs. How is this any different?
Brommerz77 wrote:
lol ill 2nd that and add one Brom FTW
Pvp for the win, vector ftw.
lol ill 2nd that and add one Brom FTW
Leader Of Faction 'Project Mayhem'
Capt. Of The Derigible
We are one we are strong the more you hold us down the more we push on...
Capt. Of The Derigible
We are one we are strong the more you hold us down the more we push on...
Awesome.
While FFA is fun, I rather see not see that, but that still could be interesting!
So a better place to datamine? I wish you add a bit more than just that, or hope you have.
Ok, here's my 2 cents:
- This area is a construct, thus auto-PvP is OFF (hopefully, otherwise it would just be a lowlvl gankage area). BUT ... if you flag, you are flagged to EVERYONE, which is imo awesomesouce! (Remember, Construct <> Archieve)
- 10* Mining Yield = Money Farm
- Interior Access denied -> Phase 2: Interior access, hopefully Sewer System! Like the one in ETM and PoN, after the Zion Meeting.
- 7 Proxies (around MegaCity) with random entry points (inside) = Yay
- New areas usually come with new opponents and items: Thus far, none known (population: 0; -> no Collectors either)
- This area is a construct, thus auto-PvP is OFF (hopefully, otherwise it would just be a lowlvl gankage area). BUT ... if you flag, you are flagged to EVERYONE, which is imo awesomesouce! (Remember, Construct <> Archieve)
- 10* Mining Yield = Money Farm
- Interior Access denied -> Phase 2: Interior access, hopefully Sewer System! Like the one in ETM and PoN, after the Zion Meeting.
- 7 Proxies (around MegaCity) with random entry points (inside) = Yay
- New areas usually come with new opponents and items: Thus far, none known (population: 0; -> no Collectors either)
kou_urake wrote:
ManicV wrote:Exactly... an area as detailed and lush as this shouldn't be just an area for PvP... It'll turn out like the Archives with the only possible things drawing people in being the FFA and increased Datamining yield...Phluff wrote:kou_urake wrote:Exactly - if I wanted nonstop combat, I'd be on vector.
/agree
The non-hostile servers have PvP constructs. How is this any different?
This one actually seems worth going to for non-combat purposes.
A lot of people are complaining about, "oh it's only for datamining and pvp? lame." But keep in mind that the image retrieval says:
"Phase 1
Population: 0
Interior Access: Restricted
Mining Yield: *10"
This leads me to believe that there will be future phases with more things to do in this area. Rather than wait to add all sorts of things into it, he is probably letting us test the area with pvp and datamining, in case there are any bugs that he has missed. I believe in a previous post he mentioned that there were bluepills inside the buildings and he would have to take them apart to remove the bluepills for the next patch (which is why interior access would currently be restricted). Really, would he have made this large and detailed of an area just for datamining and pvp? I think we can expect a lot more from this area (at least I hope so) in future updates. Who makes a Phase 1 without a Phase 2?
-Collbard- wrote:
You make a good point, we can all hope that you are quite correct.A lot of people are complaining about, "oh it's only for datamining and pvp? lame." But keep in mind that the image retrieval says:
"Phase 1
Population: 0
Interior Access: Restricted
Mining Yield: *10"This leads me to believe that there will be future phases with more things to do in this area. Rather than wait to add all sorts of things into it, he is probably letting us test the area with pvp and datamining, in case there are any bugs that he has missed. I believe in a previous post he mentioned that there were bluepills inside the buildings and he would have to take them apart to remove the bluepills for the next patch (which is why interior access would currently be restricted). Really, would he have made this large and detailed of an area just for datamining and pvp? I think we can expect a lot more from this area (at least I hope so) in future updates. Who makes a Phase 1 without a Phase 2?
-Collbard- wrote:
When does this come out??
Sounds good to me. I guess we'll just hafta wait and see?A lot of people are complaining about, "oh it's only for datamining and pvp? lame." But keep in mind that the image retrieval says:
"Phase 1
Population: 0
Interior Access: Restricted
Mining Yield: *10"This leads me to believe that there will be future phases with more things to do in this area. Rather than wait to add all sorts of things into it, he is probably letting us test the area with pvp and datamining, in case there are any bugs that he has missed. I believe in a previous post he mentioned that there were bluepills inside the buildings and he would have to take them apart to remove the bluepills for the next patch (which is why interior access would currently be restricted). Really, would he have made this large and detailed of an area just for datamining and pvp? I think we can expect a lot more from this area (at least I hope so) in future updates. Who makes a Phase 1 without a Phase 2?
When does this come out??
If you're saying that Friendly Protocols being Engaged indicates FFA being enabled, then Enemy Protocols being Engaged certainly means perma-PvP.
Just something to work with. It's still an awesome area.
There seems to be some confusion about the Proxies/Archivists. There aren't seven around the Mega City for us to find - that'd require a rebundling of the districts. There is an undefined means to access the construct, but seven Proxies to exit it.
We'll be placed in random places when we enter, but to leave we visit one of the seven Proxies. They're marked on the image.
We'll be placed in random places when we enter, but to leave we visit one of the seven Proxies. They're marked on the image.
ChloeAnn wrote:
-Collbard- wrote:Since these are from the Archivist Society, one could assume that Rarebit is just showing this as an excerpt from the development of the Datamine construct. Having said that, maybe Phase 2 will show more features in the Datamine we'll see (which could be the result of Datamine: Phase x). Sort of like a teaser, showing only a few features that will be available at a time through showing how (in the Matrix) Datamine was developed over the course of it's timeline (started with FFA pvp, restricted access to interiors in Phase 1, but x, y, and z features were later added in Phase 2, etc.) with the final retrieval showing it in the state we'll see it as. Hope that big of mumbling made sense, couldn't think of how to say what I was trying to convey. =PSounds good to me. I guess we'll just hafta wait and see?A lot of people are complaining about, "oh it's only for datamining and pvp? lame." But keep in mind that the image retrieval says:
"Phase 1
Population: 0
Interior Access: Restricted
Mining Yield: *10"This leads me to believe that there will be future phases with more things to do in this area. Rather than wait to add all sorts of things into it, he is probably letting us test the area with pvp and datamining, in case there are any bugs that he has missed. I believe in a previous post he mentioned that there were bluepills inside the buildings and he would have to take them apart to remove the bluepills for the next patch (which is why interior access would currently be restricted). Really, would he have made this large and detailed of an area just for datamining and pvp? I think we can expect a lot more from this area (at least I hope so) in future updates. Who makes a Phase 1 without a Phase 2?
When does this come out??
Neoteny wrote:
Oh well maybe I'm wrong but I can still hope...
Hmmm... Enemy protocols are engaged in Richland but in Syntax and Recursions case, to actually use them you have to flag. If it said enemy protocols disabled then when you flag you wouldn't be able to target enemy personnel.If you're saying that Friendly Protocols being Engaged indicates FFA being enabled, then Enemy Protocols being Engaged certainly means perma-PvP.
Just something to work with. It's still an awesome area.
Oh well maybe I'm wrong but I can still hope...
Friendly Engagement: On. Lol fun times.
Also:
I think people need to get a bit of perspective. This area could very well be for 'just' PvP and data mining, as much as we'd prefer for it to be grander. Why?
Rarebit just made a brand new area!
That hasn't been done since the start of the game (barring the Commando white halls, but they were easy)! However little there is to do in there, we technically just got a huge boost of content. I think just having the place is all we can fairly expect for the time being.
I'm not saying it won't be changed later, that there won't be new things to do. I'm just saying that it's unfair to demand anything beyond just the bare construct at this stage.
I think people need to get a bit of perspective. This area could very well be for 'just' PvP and data mining, as much as we'd prefer for it to be grander. Why?
Rarebit just made a brand new area!
That hasn't been done since the start of the game (barring the Commando white halls, but they were easy)! However little there is to do in there, we technically just got a huge boost of content. I think just having the place is all we can fairly expect for the time being.I'm not saying it won't be changed later, that there won't be new things to do. I'm just saying that it's unfair to demand anything beyond just the bare construct at this stage.
I am lured into posting.
The fact that the data mining payout is increased in this area leads me to believe that there will be a tradeoff: namely that you are attackable by everyone in the construct. I would imagine it's a balancing measure to keep 50 people from sitting in there data mining together. You have to find a good hiding place if you want to camp and data mine (or a good team protecting you... a team you can trust 
) or else you'll have to fight to stay in there.
Plus... I remember making a post a long time ago where I prophesized that a new area open to all levels would suck everyone out of the city and then all our new players would really think MxO's a ghost town. The FFA construct area would prevent people from idling AFK in the new area just for fun.
Lastly, from my experience with the FFA areas during the Joker Finale, being flagged FFA makes you immediately attackable by everyone, regardless of your level. I imagine that's how this construct will be.
Indeed, Proc - at the end of the day, this is a very good thing. I am by no means complaining - just adding in my two $i on how it could be even better.
While this is in the phase of being completed, I think it's important people express concerns/wishes, so they can be addressed at this late development stage rather than after its actually been added.
Mentioning FFA all the time reminds of an idea I had when I first saw FFA: An expansion of the PvP command!
Normally /pvp flags you to players from other orgs, right? What about an extension by using an additional optional parameter?
e.g. /pvp [extent] where extent = {hostile, friendly, all} and {hostile} being default when extent is not specified
Of course that would need also restrictions, since one could jump between {hostile} and {friendly} to escape gankage. The restriction would be additive "extents", meaning e.g. if you'd /pvp hostile, then do a /pvp friendly you'd be in {all} mode, instead of {friendly}.
Then the next issue would be with people who are only "semi" flagged (or not flagged at all) and attack a another "semi-flag" or an "all-flag". Would an attack automatically trigger an additional flag for the attacked "extent"?
Normally /pvp flags you to players from other orgs, right? What about an extension by using an additional optional parameter?
e.g. /pvp [extent] where extent = {hostile, friendly, all} and {hostile} being default when extent is not specified
Of course that would need also restrictions, since one could jump between {hostile} and {friendly} to escape gankage. The restriction would be additive "extents", meaning e.g. if you'd /pvp hostile, then do a /pvp friendly you'd be in {all} mode, instead of {friendly}.
Then the next issue would be with people who are only "semi" flagged (or not flagged at all) and attack a another "semi-flag" or an "all-flag". Would an attack automatically trigger an additional flag for the attacked "extent"?
I hate to be the pessimist but I give it a week or two before people get bored of it and complain wanting new content.
"Why couldn't you have added this?"
"This would've made it Ub3r 1337 aw3s0m3"
In saying that however, this place looks fantastic and I'd love to see lots of people using it regularly? - New Mara Central? LOL I think not but we can all hope eh?
Nice job Rare, I'm sure everyone from all sides of this game - RP'rs and PvP'rs that is - appreciate the work you've put into it.
- Ðragonram
"Why couldn't you have added this?"
"This would've made it Ub3r 1337 aw3s0m3"
In saying that however, this place looks fantastic and I'd love to see lots of people using it regularly? - New Mara Central? LOL I think not but we can all hope eh?
Nice job Rare, I'm sure everyone from all sides of this game - RP'rs and PvP'rs that is - appreciate the work you've put into it.
- Ðragonram
kou_urake wrote:
If you want no combat stay in the dam megacity.
Constructs are built for pvp
Exactly - if I wanted nonstop combat, I'd be on vector.No.
If you want no combat stay in the dam megacity.
Constructs are built for pvp
Oh, and can we get that nifty top-down perspective on the existing districts at some point? That'd be really cool.
AltDimension wrote:
Someone missed the point lol.
Construct <> Archieve. I don't see a perma flag in the Zion, Merv or Mech Construct whatsoever.
kou_urake wrote:Exactly - if I wanted nonstop combat, I'd be on vector.No.
If you want no combat stay in the dam megacity.
Constructs are build for pvp
Someone missed the point lol.
Construct <> Archieve. I don't see a perma flag in the Zion, Merv or Mech Construct whatsoever.
AltDimension wrote:
Archives are built for PvP, this is a construct.
kou_urake wrote:No.Exactly - if I wanted nonstop combat, I'd be on vector.No.
If you want no combat stay in the dam megacity.
Constructs are built for pvp
Archives are built for PvP, this is a construct.
GoDGiVeR wrote:
AltDimension wrote:FFS You know what I mean.kou_urake wrote:Exactly - if I wanted nonstop combat, I'd be on vector.No.
If you want no combat stay in the dam megacity.
Constructs are build for pvp
Someone missed the point lol.
Construct <> Archieve. I don't see a perma flag in the Zion, Merv or Mech Construct whatsoever.
Pshh, Vinia. You were a little too late >_>
Edit: Ja, I know what you mean Alt. But if this thing is enterable by all levels (1-50) setting standard /pvp all flag (<-- support the idea! see 6 posts upwards) is not a wise decision. Even on Vector, PvP only starts at lvl 16.
Edit: Ja, I know what you mean Alt. But if this thing is enterable by all levels (1-50) setting standard /pvp all flag (<-- support the idea! see 6 posts upwards) is not a wise decision. Even on Vector, PvP only starts at lvl 16.
kou_urake wrote:
Oh, and can we get that nifty top-down perspective on the existing districts at some point? That'd be really cool.Hey, yeah! Man, that'd make for some awesome maps. We could more easily measure distances and mark out kilometers and the like for navigational purposes. Something for Broadcast Depth to think about?
GoDGiVeR wrote:
Pshh, Vinia. You were a little too late >_>I know... and I was ready to pull out this handy guide that someone made...
kou_urake wrote:
Lets just not get back into the Archive/Construct argument again.
We do noone is disputing the fact that Archives are meant for pvp. The weak link there is that this isn't an archive.Ok thats fine.
Lets just not get back into the Archive/Construct argument again.
Garu wrote:
I echo this sentiment.HOLY MACKEREL!!!
GoDGiVeR wrote:
AltDimension wrote:kou_urake wrote:Exactly - if I wanted nonstop combat, I'd be on vector.No.
If you want no combat stay in the dam megacity.
Constructs are build for pvp
Someone missed the point lol.
Construct <> Archieve. I don't see a perma flag in the Zion, Merv or Mech Construct whatsoever.
I understand what the difference is in the 'current' constructs and archives... BUT
And... I mentioned this before, but I don't think anybody saw it. I know the image 'Says' Construct, BUT... one of the images he released yesterday showed an 'Archivist' being used to get into the area..... like the current Archives.......... so which is it really?
A Construct (like the others) OR An Archive (like the others)
OR
I think it could be something in between... not one or the other. So we won't know exactly how the pvp/ffa/etc will really be, until more information is released. I think this is a hybrid of what we are used to. Something completely new. Time will tell.
AltDimension wrote:
Main problem I see is that as of right now, ANYbody can enter that thing (lvl 1-50). Seeting a /pvp all flag as standard is not a wise decision if that is the case. The whole area would degrade into a lowbie seekNgank action.
kou_urake wrote:We do noone is disputing the fact that Archives are meant for pvp. The weak link there is that this isn't an archive.Ok thats fine.
Lets just not get back into the Archive/Construct argument again.
Main problem I see is that as of right now, ANYbody can enter that thing (lvl 1-50). Seeting a /pvp all flag as standard is not a wise decision if that is the case. The whole area would degrade into a lowbie seekNgank action.
Oh your god..!!!!!
Ive just wet myself..... Can not wait till this is out...
Phluff wrote:
I understand what the difference is in the 'current' constructs and archives... BUTA construct that is only accessible by a bloke who knows how to transport people already thus saving Dev time finding another way or using the 'magic doorway' way...And... I mentioned this before, but I don't think anybody saw it. I know the image 'Says' Construct, BUT... one of the images he released yesterday showed an 'Archivist' being used to get into the area..... like the current Archives.......... so which is it really?
A Construct (like the others) OR An Archive (like the others)
OR
I think it could be something in between... not one or the other. So we won't know exactly how the pvp/ffa/etc will really be, until more information is released. I think this is a hybrid of what we are used to. Something completely new. Time will tell.
Vinia wrote:
Phluff wrote:I understand what the difference is in the 'current' constructs and archives... BUTA construct that is only accessible by a bloke who knows how to transport people already thus saving Dev time finding another way or using the 'magic doorway' way...And... I mentioned this before, but I don't think anybody saw it. I know the image 'Says' Construct, BUT... one of the images he released yesterday showed an 'Archivist' being used to get into the area..... like the current Archives.......... so which is it really?
A Construct (like the others) OR An Archive (like the others)
OR
I think it could be something in between... not one or the other. So we won't know exactly how the pvp/ffa/etc will really be, until more information is released. I think this is a hybrid of what we are used to. Something completely new. Time will tell.
I can only hope you're right. ....I don't wanna be perma phlagged. 