To those that care, (PvPers Please Read)

47 posts · 2008-01-06 16:51:11 to 2008-01-31 14:08:08

#36300381863 01/06/2008 16:51:11 To those that care, (PvPers Please Read)

Those of you that know me will probly ignore or bad mouth this but I've got to do it once again, simply to show you how much I care and to show that my dedication to this community has not ended.

I recently came up with an idea, one I'm sure many people have heard about by now due to a certain email I made and sent around to almost every lvl 50 on Recursion, those that did not get a email probly didn't because I missed you or because you were not a "pvper" in my eyes.

Pvp is a sort of time passer for most that play this, for others it is all they do. Alot of people on recursion pvp even more so pvp all the time. I am one of those people that have been pvping and will keep pvping untill the game dies.

I for one have been trying to breath more life into pvp for about a year now. Why you ask? I have heard from many players that have quit and players that are still around that pvp is boring and half the time it's pointless to fight at mara. I've come to realize that mara c is a drug for most of you, one that is by far hard to give up. You go there simply because it's where everyone else goes and in the rare instance that there is no one at mara c someone posts on these boards that the game is dying...

I for one am tired of the same old thing, I've recently tried to give most of you the oppertunity to break this habbit of only fighting at mara c. The reason I am doing so is not for my own gain but simply because I care. That might sound alittle funny coming from someone that kills people all the time but I assure you I am not lying.

My idea for anyone who cares about pvp is simply to change where people go to fight. This game is huge and people just don't seem to use any of it for fighting. Why this is I've no clue but in the past people didn't go to downtown because there was alot of lag in that district. Now I've been told that most will not go to other districts because they are going to be attacked by lvl 100 agents...

First off when there is an event or something in another district people don't complain and say an agent is gonna attack me if I go there /mockcry. So why people don't use the other areas of the game is so confusing to me.

This idea I had was this, to get 30 players, all lvl 40-50 that only pvp. This rule is there because everyone in the list of 30 players must respect each other enough to be able to vote on areas each week to fight in. 30 players all pvpers, 10 from each orginization. I've contacted alot of players that are real hardcore pvpers and most of them don't reply or stop believing that in time my idea will work. If I had 30 players, 10 from each org supporting my idea I think pvp in a different spot or more then 1 spot per week would be awsome.

Those people that have read this far are thinking "Well skull why should we go somewhere other then mara to pvp?" The answer to that is simple, don't do it because someone tells you to, I'm not trying to control anyone, simply make this idea happen because you want it to succeed! Think of this idea as a tool for pvpers to use in the future, one that will not be based on just randomly going to mara c and pvping all day but rather one where players themselves choose the location by vote as induviduals and then support that vote by going there and seeing a better and much more fun side of pvp.

Think about it for a second... Having a huge battle inside of the government buildings lobby, like they do in events. Fighting on top of a huge building in downtown. Fighting in and around the metacortex building would be awsome for pvp, at least I think so, and I know how good it is cause I've invited people to pvp there and it is nice. Only going to some random area that you aren't familaur with and duke it out with people! The reason this will be fun is that there will be a supprize factor involved. You don't know the areas very well so you have to adapt and in doing so you become stronger fighters.

I'm asking you all to concider trying something new, trying something that could bring pvp to the entire matrix, anywhere being a battle feild!

Just think of the possiblities, and before you judge me or say, yeah but skull pvp will always be at mara, think... You could change that just by supporting my idea, make Mara Central a pvp free zone and try the much better areas of the matrix to pvp in!

All I ask is simply to give the idea a chance, try it for yourself and simply because you don't see mara c around you and people talking doesn't mean that the other areas of this game still can't be used to pvp in.

I really don't understand why people go to that hl only to fight, it's out of control and needs some change, but I'm only one man and I cannot change everyone's mind alone but if ten players from each orginization reason with the rest of their org then the battle will be alot harder to lose.

Thank you to anyone that read this and please post only possitive comments or suggestions to it, if you have nothing nice to say please do not post it because I will report anyone that flames this idea.

Once again, Thank you for your time.

Skull086

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#36300381890 01/06/2008 17:38:21 Re:To those that care, (PvPers Please Read)
((While I'm not a PVPer myself by any means, I do think this is a solid idea and fully support it. Good luck and I hope it works.))
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#36300381901 01/06/2008 17:44:43 Re:To those that care, (PvPers Please Read)
When i was on recursion the machines of Recursion attempted to move PVP a few times. For it to work the other two orgs have to agree. In our case the mechs moved and well the others never followed.

You should consider event or goal orientated PVP. We have been doing king of the hill on vector some and it's nice. There has even been pvp in buildings, first team to secure an entire building. One team starts at the top the other at the bottom and you go till one team wins.

Anyways i hope it works out for you.
#36300381911 01/06/2008 17:58:19 Re:To those that care, (PvPers Please Read)
Change of location is a great thing. I personally hate mara, since the start of the game I have lagged there for no reason. PvP there is always the same. I like when pvp breaks out at camon c because the buildings are different, the lay of the area is completely different and its nice. Any change is a good change but i'm pessimistic of the idea in that I doubt it'll work. Everyone is t o mindless to change locations. I loved the free for all zone in chelsea. I spent hours there and went to the lengths of insulting other players to get them to come pvp there  heh. I hope your able to get people out of mara skull, its a lofty goal.

~M
#36300381929 01/06/2008 18:39:03 Re:To those that care, (PvPers Please Read)
tl;dr


But from what I skimmed through, why not take it to Zero One? Some of the best PvP battles take place there.
#36300381966 01/06/2008 19:18:12 Re:To those that care, (PvPers Please Read)
Have fun with that. I doubt the elitists that call themselves "teh best pvpers wit teh millionz cqs and heug pen0r" are willing to relocate into unfamiliar territory where they'll be unable to stand and hold their ground for long.
#36300381967 01/06/2008 19:20:56 Re:To those that care, (PvPers Please Read)
I agree it's a good idea to move pvp, this idea has been mentioned before on Syntax too and it never really got anywhere. Personally im always a fan of places like Camon Central and Tabor Park West, also Tabor Park 'Park' is a great venue for a huge pvp battle.
#36300381977 01/06/2008 19:41:11 Re:To those that care, (PvPers Please Read)
Skull, you write too much man.. but judging from the responses, it seems a cry to move the location of PvP?

Let's see, how many times has this been attempted? No matter the locations, contests, or incentives, you still have the main activity being in Mara C. The best that can be done is scheduled fight night scenario's every week, but even those are never really hold weight after a few times.
#36300382039 01/06/2008 22:51:47 Re:To those that care, (PvPers Please Read)

lets keep a positive adittude. Lets attemp with the combine efforts of all the people who pvp to move it.

EDIT:

Why not turn it into RPvP? that could make things more interesting.

#36300382086 01/07/2008 02:17:30 To those that care, (PvPers Please Read)
Skull101 wrote:

 those that did not get a email probly didn't because I missed you or because you were not a "pvper" in my eyes.

For one, to start of if you want to make pvp better, you need to lose this attitude, this clashes with everything you are saying.

Second, my faction that's about 25 50s, spent a long while away from Mara C about a month, in chelsea, at your hardlines and so forth and after all that we are back here.

For me pvp is about /pvp fight, there doesn't need to be restrictions as to where I can pvp, or if I am not A LEVEL 40 ELITE I CAN'T PVP. Which as some of you know goes directly against my faction ethic of all lowbies can flag.

I don't mind the idea of moving locations, it would be nice to go 'hunting' every once in a while, but even in big games like WoW the most populated areas get the biggest pvp. I know it takes three orgs to move it, but these are restricted zones which does not bother me, but when your in a faction that does have lowbies and so forth, it's a bit hard to code in DT, and even harder to bring them to our location. Mara C is practical for this reason.

If you drag pvp away, I will ultimately follow, I pvp alot more than most, so I will probably have to follow or no pvp for me. However my lowbies will be coming, and they will be charging your shield/healing, and if you don't like, recruit and get lowbies to kill them SMILEY

TH
#36300382099 01/07/2008 03:30:09 Re:To those that care, (PvPers Please Read)

Moving PvP is a good idea, always, but ultimately it falls back to purpose.

The best solution for pvp ingeneral is:-

1. Add a new pvp archive for lvl 50's, or improve 01 with a great purpose to farm it. (i.e new clothing loots which have a small % chance of dropping of TM).

2. Make CQ's only obtainable in archives. I always prefer archive PvP (it removes instant recon from HL's and blue rezzers/attacks).

#36300382118 01/07/2008 04:48:17 Re:To those that care, (PvPers Please Read)
The only time I've ever seen pvp occur in other places minus live events is at a party. So if say we have weekly parties that randomly broke out into pvp, then I'd see it happening.
#36300382169 01/07/2008 06:17:10 Re:To those that care, (PvPers Please Read)
You want to make it interesting?  Why don't you make up level 15-25 alts and pvp in Yuki?  Low level pvp is WAY more fun then level 50 pvp.
#36300382194 01/07/2008 07:22:37 Re:To those that care, (PvPers Please Read)
Fen wrote:
You want to make it interesting?  Why don't you make up level 15-25 alts and pvp in Yuki?  Low level pvp is WAY more fun then level 50 pvp.

Seriously.  I hop on my alt at least once a day and head to the archives, since I don't wanna mission.
#36300382214 01/07/2008 08:17:48 To those that care, (PvPers Please Read)
ThHidden01 wrote:
Skull101 wrote:

 those that did not get a email probly didn't because I missed you or because you were not a "pvper" in my eyes.

For one, to start of if you want to make pvp better, you need to lose this attitude, this clashes with everything you are saying.

He most likely only emailed very few people anyway. I'm pretty sure no one in FH got an email and we pretty much PvP whenever we're on and there's action. But then again, everytime he PvPs against us, he becomes a benchwarmer and throws a fit.
#36300382243 01/07/2008 08:54:55 Re:To those that care, (PvPers Please Read)
PvPing anywhere else besides Mara Central is always a pleasure. To be honest, I'd like to see PvP in Downtown (preferably either creston (beware the mobs! add another element) or a "sky-scraper" fight from roof to roof, kinda) or in International in one of the less travelled to districts.
#36300382255 01/07/2008 09:17:59 Re:To those that care, (PvPers Please Read)
GoDGiVeR wrote:
PvPing anywhere else besides Mara Central is always a pleasure. To be honest, I'd like to see PvP in Downtown (preferably either creston (beware the mobs! add another element) or a "sky-scraper" fight from roof to roof, kinda) or in International in one of the less travelled to districts.

I wouldn't mind that, cept the fact Agents try to kill Zion in those zones atm.
#36300382289 01/07/2008 10:15:02 Re:To those that care, (PvPers Please Read)
Aquatium. wrote:

Moving PvP is a good idea, always, but ultimately it falls back to purpose.

The best solution for pvp ingeneral is:-

1. Add a new pvp archive for lvl 50's, or improve 01 with a great purpose to farm it. (i.e new clothing loots which have a small % chance of dropping of TM).

2. Make CQ's only obtainable in archives. I always prefer archive PvP (it removes instant recon from HL's and blue rezzers/attacks).


Yep, i think thats the only sollution make CQ's only obtainable in constructs but some kind of reward system must be in place otherwise everyone will just stay at mara.
#36300382297 01/07/2008 10:25:26 Re:To those that care, (PvPers Please Read)

PVP in the archives is always the best.  There is little to no lag no matter how many people in there.  The only thing that sucks is we can only PVP in 01.  It would be cool to be able to go into Yuki as level 50.  Also you do not have a map in 01 so you have to create your own blip maps, know the terrain, and use good team communication to move around effectively.

We have said this long ago when the introduced the Area K jacket.  Keep giving us special loot that the Taskmaster drops in 01 and rotate them every few weeks or so.  As long as people go into the archive to farm then there is the possibility for great PvP.

My only problem with DT PvP was the lag.  Now I have not done it in a while so I am not sure if the lag is still an issue.

We could tell our guys that when we want to PvP not go to Mara and go somewhere else like Stamos or the archive and then inform the Zion zerg of our whereabouts.  We tried that before, but the Zionies would not budge from Mara.  So if we wanted to fight we had to go to Mara or not fight at all.  They would rather dance and talk trash to each other at Mara than fight anywhere else. 

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#36300382330 01/07/2008 10:54:59 Re:To those that care, (PvPers Please Read)
Many have tried this, it's a shame all have failed.
#36300382496 01/07/2008 16:07:50 Re:To those that care, (PvPers Please Read)
Aquatium. wrote:
GoDGiVeR wrote:
PvPing anywhere else besides Mara Central is always a pleasure. To be honest, I'd like to see PvP in Downtown (preferably either creston (beware the mobs! add another element) or a "sky-scraper" fight from roof to roof, kinda) or in International in one of the less travelled to districts.

I wouldn't mind that, cept the fact Agents try to kill Zion in those zones atm.

It's cool, you're pretty used to using HJ anyway so it shouldn't be too hard to avoid them.









What?
#36300382521 01/07/2008 17:06:51 Re:To those that care, (PvPers Please Read)
ThePigeonKing wrote:
Aquatium. wrote:
GoDGiVeR wrote:
PvPing anywhere else besides Mara Central is always a pleasure. To be honest, I'd like to see PvP in Downtown (preferably either creston (beware the mobs! add another element) or a "sky-scraper" fight from roof to roof, kinda) or in International in one of the less travelled to districts.

I wouldn't mind that, cept the fact Agents try to kill Zion in those zones atm.

It's cool, you're pretty used to using HJ anyway so it shouldn't be too hard to avoid them.









What?
It beats getting smacked around and then standing around blue and flappin' gums.









HJ QQ is old.
#36300382525 01/07/2008 17:20:04 To those that care, (PvPers Please Read)

Well,here is another area where the LESIGs could help..

Create meaningful, RP based PVP lesig events based on the current storyline

 As the only place Recursion is hostile over a wide area to level 50s is Zero One,it would be fun to do it in there.

It could be in other places, of course, but people would have to be willing to flag, and stay flagged, to make in interesting.imho....

#36300382537 01/07/2008 17:50:14 Re:To those that care, (PvPers Please Read)
ThePigeonking wrote:It's cool, you're pretty used to using HJ anyway so it shouldn't be too hard to avoid them.









Someone is fixated on Aqua. This is the second thread that i've seen this happen.....





What?



Shut up fool!
#36300382588 01/07/2008 19:41:25 Re:To those that care, (PvPers Please Read)

Those of you that have responded possitively I thank you for that, those like hidden who seem to think I don't want his lower lvls to fight... Dude for one thing I never said don't make them fight I just said they can't be on the list of 30 players that vote on the locations of pvp each week. You took it the wrong way man.

As for everyone else, I just like to say that this idea would work, but people need to be commited to being pretty much the only server that is together as one on a single idea. Btw, I did send Crowlos a copy of the email, I just assumed if he liked it he would send it to the rest of FH.

The only way this idea will ever work is if enough people want it to work, not for me but for everyone to have a better time. The past couple weeks I've been inviting players to random areas in the game, Metacortex, Government building's lobby, Creston heights hideout, first floor of course. Inside outside, it doesn't matter it's funner then just randomly flagging at mara c and waiting for someone to attack.

This isn't about any one org it's about everyone doing their part to make this work and make it work for as long as it takes. I'm sure that if people fight in other areas they will see it's alot better and it will breath new life into this game and into it's players.

I'm not sure how it is with everyone but for me, I know people in every org and I'm friends with most people in all orgs, I send someone in another org a tell, come pvp here and sometimes they come other times they don't, but I know enough people to get at least a real good 1 on 1 fight in another area of the game. It can work for anyone ya know, regaurdless of how some people act the thought of fighting you elsewhere is a good idea to some, if everyone does this there can be pvp fights anywhere, people just need to talk to each other and set it up rather then just flag at mara and wait randomly to be ganked.

This idea will work if people commit to it and do their best to try new things. Stick with something and don't let doubt stop you from having new and exciting pvp! Give it a shot people, do it and see the real potential that anywhere is possible and all you have to do is just try it. SMILEY

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#36300382592 01/07/2008 19:45:44 Re:To those that care, (PvPers Please Read)

I don't want to be a damper/downer.  It's a noble idea, Mara is lame.

You want random fights to break out in random spots of the city? 

>_>

<_<

Try Vector

Hope it works out for you here though.

#36300382599 01/07/2008 19:58:33 Re:To those that care, (PvPers Please Read)
Crowlos wrote:
ThePigeonking wrote:It's cool, you're pretty used to using HJ anyway so it shouldn't be too hard to avoid them.
Someone is fixated on Aqua. This is the second thread that i've seen this happen.....
Shut up fool!
/giggle! So offended. You're cute when you're worked up, srsly

No but seriously, good luck. The only way for pvp to move out of Mara is if someone says "Let's pvp in 01 for money." Which isn't such a bad idea, IMO. Or maybe a manhunt/hide and seek for info/items session all around the city, I dunno.
#36300382607 01/07/2008 20:13:53 Re:To those that care, (PvPers Please Read)
ThePigeonKing wrote:
Crowlos wrote:
ThePigeonking wrote:It's cool, you're pretty used to using HJ anyway so it shouldn't be too hard to avoid them.
Someone is fixated on Aqua. This is the second thread that i've seen this happen.....
Shut up fool!
/giggle! So offended. You're cute when you're worked up, srsly

No but seriously, good luck. The only way for pvp to move out of Mara is if someone says "Let's pvp in 01 for money." Which isn't such a bad idea, IMO. Or maybe a manhunt/hide and seek for info/items session all around the city, I dunno.
Worked up? Nah.


Delicho wrote:

I don't want to be a damper/downer.  It's a noble idea, Mara is lame.

You want random fights to break out in random spots of the city? 

>_>

<_<

Try Vector

That's why I have a 50 there since it is the only server where I have PvPed in so many different places, it's just too bad that it's the least inactive of the 3 servers.

#36300384231 01/10/2008 11:10:03 To those that care, (PvPers Please Read)
Mave wrote:
ThHidden01 wrote:
Skull101 wrote:

 those that did not get a email probly didn't because I missed you or because you were not a "pvper" in my eyes.

For one, to start of if you want to make pvp better, you need to lose this attitude, this clashes with everything you are saying.

He most likely only emailed very few people anyway. I'm pretty sure no one in FH got an email and we pretty much PvP whenever we're on and there's action. But then again, everytime he PvPs against us, he becomes a benchwarmer and throws a fit.
what he said
#36300384315 01/10/2008 14:14:36 To those that care, (PvPers Please Read)
LoLs peevpee
#36300384339 01/10/2008 15:19:42 To those that care, (PvPers Please Read)
theconstant wrote:
LoLs peevpee

CONNY!!!!!

:O
#36300384535 01/10/2008 21:08:39 Re:To those that care, (PvPers Please Read)
Dude, no fuking way. TehConstant is teh bax?! Whoa dude, just whoa. WB if you are back if you gonna leave me again I will cry... I'm not playing!!! /cries
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#36300384748 01/11/2008 10:00:29 To those that care, (PvPers Please Read)
theconstant wrote:
LoLs peevpee
CONNIEPOO!!!  Where Conniepoo goes, the PVP will follow.  Or at least I will follow so I can shoot him like the good ol' days.

If PVP is moved you might get some different people involved.  You know what, starting now Alphaea will be PVP hot at all times just for the heck of it until I say otherwise.  I know somebody out there wants to kill me.  You will NOT find me in Richland, evar.  Go!

Drama Avoidage disclaimer:  Please be advised, I will use every dirty trick I have ever known to stay alive and get away from you.  And if I yell at you know that unless it's with (()) [which it won't be because I won't yell at someone OOC, that's dumb] that it's Alphaea's char.  This is an attempt to avoid useless drama.
AAAIIIEEE! Sig no workie!
#36300384895 01/11/2008 14:49:23 Re:To those that care, (PvPers Please Read)
Constant is the Intruder.
#36300384987 01/11/2008 18:24:53 To those that care, (PvPers Please Read)
I will eat yer bebbies!
#36300384996 01/11/2008 18:31:15 Re:To those that care, (PvPers Please Read)
ThePigeonKing wrote:
Constant is the Intruder.
I knew it!!!
#36300385042 01/11/2008 20:06:20 Re:To those that care, (PvPers Please Read)
I posted a quick idea here..  A bit disappointing after getting only 2 negative responses for it. 

   I do, and I think most of the community agrees with you too Skull. 
   
 When the Dev's focus some kind of attention on PVP, then things will change.  Until then all we can do is speak up and hope they take it seriously.


#36300385170 01/12/2008 03:13:53 Re:To those that care, (PvPers Please Read)
Crowlos wrote:

That's why I have a 50 there since it is the only server where I have PvPed in so many different places, it's just too bad that it's the least inactive of the 3 servers.


I'm going to assume you meant least active.  =P

#36300385214 01/12/2008 06:42:06 Re:To those that care, (PvPers Please Read)
Delicho wrote:
Crowlos wrote:

That's why I have a 50 there since it is the only server where I have PvPed in so many different places, it's just too bad that it's the least inactive of the 3 servers.


I'm going to assume you meant least active.  =P

Oops, yeah least active.
#36300385231 01/12/2008 07:31:32 To those that care, (PvPers Please Read)
theconstant wrote:
I will eat yer bebbies!

Con you b@sterd! Quit teasing us with your spam and jack-in!
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#36300396454 01/30/2008 14:22:48 To those that care, (PvPers Please Read)
Skull101 wrote:

Skull086


(TO LONG TO COPY)

Fantastic idea, but you're giving the average PVPer way too much credit.

SMILEY

#36300396461 01/30/2008 14:27:46 To those that care, (PvPers Please Read)
Iovai wrote:
Skull101 wrote:

Skull086


(TO LONG TO COPY)

Fantastic idea, but you're giving the average PVPer way too much credit.

SMILEY" />


HAY I LIEK TO DO SUM PEEVEEPEE.
#36300396464 01/30/2008 14:28:34 To those that care, (PvPers Please Read)
Mave wrote:
Iovai wrote:
Skull101 wrote:

Skull086


(TO LONG TO COPY)

Fantastic idea, but you're giving the average PVPer way too much credit.

SMILEY<img mce_tsrc=" />


HAY I LIEK TO DO SUM PEEVEEPEE.
Not until they fix the combat system.

I'll be back in 2012.

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#36300396478 01/30/2008 14:44:35 Re:To those that care, (PvPers Please Read)
ThePigeonKing wrote:
NT is the Intruder.
Fixed.
#36300396497 01/30/2008 15:08:06 Re:To those that care, (PvPers Please Read)
Chemuel wrote:
ThePigeonKing wrote:
NT is the Intruder.
Fixed.


I support that.

PS: Leave Vanil AlooOOoOOOOoOOOooOOOooOOOOOOne!

#36300397191 01/31/2008 13:45:58 Re:To those that care, (PvPers Please Read)

Skully, you're a good friend to me but I have to let you know something that you probably already do know...pvp hath no rules....it has limitations of sorts..but no rules...that means punks can get away with basically whatever..that means hyperjumping, hardlining, whatever the cheapness maybe..yes, it's unfortunate...but if there were any rules in pvp, wouldn't it be less interesting?

#36300397203 01/31/2008 14:08:08 To those that care, (PvPers Please Read)
theconstant wrote:
LoLs peevpee

*ultra gasp*   Wish I had seen this sooner......    w t f does this mean?  lol  21 days later   SMILEY