Scheduled for tomorrow.
[9.1.5] Mach mission feedback thread: "Only Human"
60 posts · 2007-12-12 11:47:06 to 2007-12-23 14:00:26
Intruder? Only human?
I'm really hoping this is good, cuz if it is, it might make this my favorite sub-chapter.
Sounds like its going to start geting good now.
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10/12/07 - 01/09/09 Good fight
10/12/07 - 01/09/09 Good fight
(( Probably my favorite mission title ever... let's just hope the mission lives up to it 
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Oh yea awesome mission. Looks like Gami will be happy to hear this.
Nice comment about data mining at the beginning. Also, good way to...sneak in a hint towards 9.2 in the last sentence by Agent Gray. Guess we know part of of his purpose now. But what is the object?
Nice comment about data mining at the beginning. Also, good way to...sneak in a hint towards 9.2 in the last sentence by Agent Gray. Guess we know part of of his purpose now. But what is the object?
A freeborn? I'd like to know how that can happen.....
the 2nd i saw that when i did the missions i was like well F this storyline ;( but i loved that fact that i fought a agent and lived well even though it was only 1 level higher then me T_T
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10/12/07 - 01/09/09 Good fight
10/12/07 - 01/09/09 Good fight
excellent twist... this changes everything.
Remixermike wrote:
Anyway, I'd wait to pass judgement on it until after we find out how he's doing it.
the 2nd i saw that when i did the missions i was like well F this storyline ;( but i loved that fact that i fought a agent and lived well even though it was only 1 level higher then me T_TNah, it makes perfect sense. The guy is sitting at home playing a hacked version of MxO.
Anyway, I'd wait to pass judgement on it until after we find out how he's doing it.
Vinia wrote:
A freeborn? I'd like to know how that can happen.....
My guess, same way Neo did it. He seperated his mind from his body without the need or use of a cranal jack.
Hey RB, do I need to break out that old Hypatia letter? Something perchance tying in here?
What you say? You think we plan this stuff out that far in advance? =P
So this is the same guy we've seen in the Cinematics watching things on the video screen in The Real. I wonder how he got the power to do this.
Vaico wrote:
That is by no means certain. It's a possibility but no proof yet.
So this is the same guy we've seen in the Cinematics watching things on the video screen in The Real.
That is by no means certain. It's a possibility but no proof yet.
Can I have that time back plz.
broin wrote:
Hypatia Letter?
Hey RB, do I need to break out that old Hypatia letter? Something perchance tying in here?
Hypatia Letter?
Rarebit wrote:
Distinctly possible... I need to go back and refresh on what was said in there... Some of it is sounding a bit familiar, not sure how it all plays in, though I have some ideas.
What you say? You think we plan this stuff out that far in advance? =P
Distinctly possible... I need to go back and refresh on what was said in there... Some of it is sounding a bit familiar, not sure how it all plays in, though I have some ideas.
((This was a pretty cool mission. I've liked how the Operator has kind of taken charge and changed the course of the operations in this last set - it kind of gives a more humanistic view of the Machinists, and it gives them a little more power in the situation. While the previous one was less than enlightening, this one was certainly a revelation.))
Of course, I think most of us would like to know how he's entering the Matrix. I don't know that I buy "removing his mind from his body." But this is something we in Zion need to figure out. It could be... useful.
This would explain why he has a wire framed RSI. It would also explain why his powers seem to be bigger than Neo's. I mean Neo was a pod person, even though he'd been awakened and he's able to hack into the Matrix, Neo really bended most of the rules and broke like one or two. The Intruder knows from day one that the Matrix isn't real, so his mind is able to expand further than any redpills. He doesn't bend the rules, he breaks all of them.
I need to speak out a way lot more often because, this is something I thought of for a while now. Is he apart of a different matrix though?
NiChO wrote:
Ahem.
I need to speak out a way lot more often because, this is something I thought of for a while now. Is he apart of a different matrix though?
Ahem.
Ah. Thank you.
Kybutra wrote:
Good, I'm sure it would of been bad anyway. Thanks again though.
NiChO wrote:((LMAO. You have to admit that was funny!))Ah. Thank you.
Sorry I dont swing that way.
Good, I'm sure it would of been bad anyway. Thanks again though.
Yeah, it's a bit murky there, and either suggests that the Real is some sort of Matrix (Matrix within a Matrix theory) or that this new Matrix has no plugs in some sort of effort to keep those who escape from returning.
Neoteny wrote:
Let's just say that The Intruder is the guy that we've seen in the Cinematics, we've all seen what kind of power he has over machines in the real, who's to say that he can't simply grab a jack and force himself into the Matrix?
Yeah, it's a bit murky there, and either suggests that the Real is some sort of Matrix (Matrix within a Matrix theory) or that this new Matrix has no plugs in some sort of effort to keep those who escape from returning.
Let's just say that The Intruder is the guy that we've seen in the Cinematics, we've all seen what kind of power he has over machines in the real, who's to say that he can't simply grab a jack and force himself into the Matrix?
MetaLogic wrote:
My thoughts are most based on him being able to jack in mentally without a jack just as Neo ones did when he woke up in Mobil Ave.
Neoteny wrote:Yeah, it's a bit murky there, and either suggests that the Real is some sort of Matrix (Matrix within a Matrix theory) or that this new Matrix has no plugs in some sort of effort to keep those who escape from returning.
Let's just say that The Intruder is the guy that we've seen in the Cinematics, we've all seen what kind of power he has over machines in the real, who's to say that he can't simply grab a jack and force himself into the Matrix?
My thoughts are most based on him being able to jack in mentally without a jack just as Neo ones did when he woke up in Mobil Ave.
NiChO wrote:
Yea, but you know what the Oracle says, those who've done that in the past dies. Also, don't you really have to be close to the Source in order to be able to do that? Before Neo was able to separate his mind and body he was near the Source in the Architect's room.
MetaLogic wrote:Neoteny wrote:Yeah, it's a bit murky there, and either suggests that the Real is some sort of Matrix (Matrix within a Matrix theory) or that this new Matrix has no plugs in some sort of effort to keep those who escape from returning.
Let's just say that The Intruder is the guy that we've seen in the Cinematics, we've all seen what kind of power he has over machines in the real, who's to say that he can't simply grab a jack and force himself into the Matrix?
My thoughts are most based on him being able to jack in mentally without a jack just as Neo ones did when he woke up in Mobil Ave.
Yea, but you know what the Oracle says, those who've done that in the past dies. Also, don't you really have to be close to the Source in order to be able to do that? Before Neo was able to separate his mind and body he was near the Source in the Architect's room.
MetaLogic wrote:
NiChO wrote:Perhaps he has been in the source and returned.MetaLogic wrote:Neoteny wrote:Yeah, it's a bit murky there, and either suggests that the Real is some sort of Matrix (Matrix within a Matrix theory) or that this new Matrix has no plugs in some sort of effort to keep those who escape from returning.
Let's just say that The Intruder is the guy that we've seen in the Cinematics, we've all seen what kind of power he has over machines in the real, who's to say that he can't simply grab a jack and force himself into the Matrix?
My thoughts are most based on him being able to jack in mentally without a jack just as Neo ones did when he woke up in Mobil Ave.
Yea, but you know what the Oracle says, those who've done that in the past dies. Also, don't you really have to be close to the Source in order to be able to do that? Before Neo was able to separate his mind and body he was near the Source in the Architect's room.
NiChO wrote:
Hmm....that's a possibility.
MetaLogic wrote:NiChO wrote:Perhaps he has been in the source and returned.MetaLogic wrote:Neoteny wrote:Yeah, it's a bit murky there, and either suggests that the Real is some sort of Matrix (Matrix within a Matrix theory) or that this new Matrix has no plugs in some sort of effort to keep those who escape from returning.
Let's just say that The Intruder is the guy that we've seen in the Cinematics, we've all seen what kind of power he has over machines in the real, who's to say that he can't simply grab a jack and force himself into the Matrix?
My thoughts are most based on him being able to jack in mentally without a jack just as Neo ones did when he woke up in Mobil Ave.
Yea, but you know what the Oracle says, those who've done that in the past dies. Also, don't you really have to be close to the Source in order to be able to do that? Before Neo was able to separate his mind and body he was near the Source in the Architect's room.
Hmm....that's a possibility.
MetaLogic wrote:
NiChO wrote:MetaLogic wrote:NiChO wrote:Perhaps he has been in the source and returned.MetaLogic wrote:Neoteny wrote:Yeah, it's a bit murky there, and either suggests that the Real is some sort of Matrix (Matrix within a Matrix theory) or that this new Matrix has no plugs in some sort of effort to keep those who escape from returning.
Let's just say that The Intruder is the guy that we've seen in the Cinematics, we've all seen what kind of power he has over machines in the real, who's to say that he can't simply grab a jack and force himself into the Matrix?
My thoughts are most based on him being able to jack in mentally without a jack just as Neo ones did when he woke up in Mobil Ave.
Yea, but you know what the Oracle says, those who've done that in the past dies. Also, don't you really have to be close to the Source in order to be able to do that? Before Neo was able to separate his mind and body he was near the Source in the Architect's room.
Hmm....that's a possibility.
>.<
Neo: Tell me how I separated my mind from my body without jacking in. Tell me how I stopped four sentinels by thinking it. Tell me just what the hell is happening to me.
Oracle: The power of the One extends beyond this world. It reaches from here all the way back to where it came from.
Neo: Where?
Oracle: The Source. That's what you felt when you touched those Sentinels. But you weren't ready for it. You should be dead, but apparently you weren't ready for that, either.
She defintley just tells him that he wasn't ready for it and thats what should have killed him. Not that anyone else that has tried it has died or will die without some magical code. Also she doesn't explain at all how Neo did it. Just that he touched the source while doing it and that his power extended beyond just the Matrix.
GamiSB wrote:
My complete theory.
MetaLogic wrote:I'm sorry Gami I didn't catch if that was an "Agreeing reply" or "Denying". I am trying to put it together as Intruder is perhaps one of the "Ones" in a previous matrix that went back to the source. (A bit far fetched but just go with me on it.) Many years later and a new Matrix later *boom* He "Somehow" finds a way out hence the , "Agent: You are required" statement. Since he has been to the source "he should of been dead" but survived with some sort of last strand of his RSI. Now that he has escaped from the source he has been watching and studying our matrix for some time now. (Cinematic 8.3).NiChO wrote:MetaLogic wrote:NiChO wrote:Perhaps he has been in the source and returned.MetaLogic wrote:Neoteny wrote:Yeah, it's a bit murky there, and either suggests that the Real is some sort of Matrix (Matrix within a Matrix theory) or that this new Matrix has no plugs in some sort of effort to keep those who escape from returning.
Let's just say that The Intruder is the guy that we've seen in the Cinematics, we've all seen what kind of power he has over machines in the real, who's to say that he can't simply grab a jack and force himself into the Matrix?
My thoughts are most based on him being able to jack in mentally without a jack just as Neo ones did when he woke up in Mobil Ave.
Yea, but you know what the Oracle says, those who've done that in the past dies. Also, don't you really have to be close to the Source in order to be able to do that? Before Neo was able to separate his mind and body he was near the Source in the Architect's room.
Hmm....that's a possibility.>.<
Neo: Tell me how I separated my mind from my body without jacking in. Tell me how I stopped four sentinels by thinking it. Tell me just what the hell is happening to me.
Oracle: The power of the One extends beyond this world. It reaches from here all the way back to where it came from.
Neo: Where?
Oracle: The Source. That's what you felt when you touched those Sentinels. But you weren't ready for it. You should be dead, but apparently you weren't ready for that, either.She defintley just tells him that he wasn't ready for it and thats what should have killed him. Not that anyone else that has tried it has died or will die without some magical code. Also she doesn't explain at all how Neo did it. Just that he touched the source while doing it and that his power extended beyond just the Matrix.
My complete theory.
Its a, the Intruder is able to jack in without a neral jack because he (like Neo) has found a way to do it. Not because of any special code he caries or because of where he has been but simply because he chooses to.
In short, Neo (and now the intruder) was/is only human. Nothing more nothing less.
So does that mean that it is possible for pretty much anyone, freeborn or podborn? You don't have any far fetched assumptions or guesses about this. You literally think it is only because he has "chosen" to? What makes him so special to be in the same line with one of the anomalies. He can manipulate pretty much anything connection to the matrix just like Neo could of. Breaks all sorts of the Matrix's rules and you think its just because he has chosen to?
In a world where nothing is real and the only limitations are the ones your mind places in front of you yes I do believe that anyone can do anything when it comes to the Matrix.
I need to clarify though that I do not mean that it is simply a mater of "I want the sky to turn green" and its done, but that with the knowledge of how to do so it is very possible for anyone to do it.
GamiSB wrote:
Taking a look at Wide-Ranged Broadcast Gami, I now understand where it is you are coming from and am now finding myself to believe and understand it all. If you would not of put it in the way you have done about the subject of Humanity or Divinity, I do not think I would of understood entirely.
In a world where nothing is real and the only limitations are the ones your mind places in front of you yes I do believe that anyone can do anything when it comes to the Matrix.
I need to clarify though that I do not mean that it is simply a mater of "I want the sky to turn green" and its done, but that with the knowledge of how to do so it is very possible for anyone to do it.
Taking a look at Wide-Ranged Broadcast Gami, I now understand where it is you are coming from and am now finding myself to believe and understand it all. If you would not of put it in the way you have done about the subject of Humanity or Divinity, I do not think I would of understood entirely.
I don't think he was a previous one. Because isn't he a freeborn? I always thought previous Ones were like Neo, that they've been pod people before being awakened.
As far as I'm concerned, Neo was able to jack in remotely because he had some extra technology in the back of his head, that was probably put there before he was extracted. It may have been given to all podborns and only he could use it, or it may have been given to just him, though I couldn't tell you why. The Matrix films don't go defying physics all over the place (the worst they do is make their descriptions vague, but at least they try), so I find it very unlikely that Neo had some sort of bizarre telepathic ability or anything. Definitely technology assisted.
If the Intruder is Mystery Man from the cinematics, he obviously has a mastery of technology, and could very well have fashioned himself a similar wireless link despite being freeborn. Or if he's one of the humans destined for some new version of the Matrix (which I'm not so sure about, as how would any of them have power over the Machines?), the Machines may have abandoned the classic jack design and gone with a new wireless system; the Intruder could have legged it and used his wireless jack to get into the Matrix.
If the Intruder is Mystery Man from the cinematics, he obviously has a mastery of technology, and could very well have fashioned himself a similar wireless link despite being freeborn. Or if he's one of the humans destined for some new version of the Matrix (which I'm not so sure about, as how would any of them have power over the Machines?), the Machines may have abandoned the classic jack design and gone with a new wireless system; the Intruder could have legged it and used his wireless jack to get into the Matrix.
According to Gray, the Intruder is a freeborn and therefore not a previous anomaly. An anomaly is a product of the system and if he was never part of the system he could not be a 'One'. He has power over the system's codes, no doubt about it, but there is no clear mention that his connection is wireless however.
Perhaps this is a product of an experiment into allowing mind into the simulation without the need for an embedded cranial jack... some new technology which, when worn, sends and pulls signals from the brain through the skull for example, not necessarily of Machine origin... well perhaps not the Machines that we know...
What would be the benefits of wireless transmission over wired? I can think of mobility, but why would the Machines want to keep their power supply mobile?
Perhaps this is a product of an experiment into allowing mind into the simulation without the need for an embedded cranial jack... some new technology which, when worn, sends and pulls signals from the brain through the skull for example, not necessarily of Machine origin... well perhaps not the Machines that we know...
What would be the benefits of wireless transmission over wired? I can think of mobility, but why would the Machines want to keep their power supply mobile?
Procurator wrote:
Neo: I'm not the one?
Oracle: Sorry kiddo. You've got the gift, but it seems like you are waiting on something.
As far as I'm concerned, Neo was able to jack in remotely because he had some extra technology in the back of his head, that was probably put there before he was extracted. It may have been given to all podborns and only he could use it, or it may have been given to just him, though I couldn't tell you why. The Matrix films don't go defying physics all over the place (the worst they do is make their descriptions vague, but at least they try), so I find it very unlikely that Neo had some sort of bizarre telepathic ability or anything. Definitely technology assisted.I have come to realization that it isn't because of some special technology knowledge, or because he had some special code. If that was the case he would of had it even while he was a bluepill and everyone would have noticed it. Many things proved him not to be the one.
If the Intruder is Mystery Man from the cinematics, he obviously has a mastery of technology, and could very well have fashioned himself a similar wireless link despite being freeborn. Or if he's one of the humans destined for some new version of the Matrix (which I'm not so sure about, as how would any of them have power over the Machines?), the Machines may have abandoned the classic jack design and gone with a new wireless system; the Intruder could have legged it and used his wireless jack to get into the Matrix.
Neo: I'm not the one?
Oracle: Sorry kiddo. You've got the gift, but it seems like you are waiting on something.
Vinia wrote:
According to Gray, the Intruder is a freeborn and therefore not a previous anomaly. An anomaly is a product of the system and if he was never part of the system he could not be a 'One'. He has power over the system's codes, no doubt about it, but there is no clear mention that his connection is wireless however.
Perhaps this is a product of an experiment into allowing mind into the simulation without the need for an embedded cranial jack... some new technology which, when worn, sends and pulls signals from the brain through the skull for example, not necessarily of Machine origin... well perhaps not the Machines that we know...
What would be the benefits of wireless transmission over wired? I can think of mobility, but why would the Machines want to keep their power supply mobile?
Well, like I said, once they escaped, they'd be virtually unable to get back into the Matrix. You take the red pill, you're out for good. No going back in to free minds. Unless somebody figured it out, but I think that'd take quite a time. And, yeah, I can't honestly see him as being some sort of previous anomole, given the revelation that he's freeborn. I agree with Proc that that was an effect of Neo's technology.
But in either case, we also have the informatoin that he's "from a higher version number of the Matrix." So we're left guessing how he can be both freeborn and able to enter not only this Matrix, but another as well.
The other question that comes to my mind is whether or not all freeborns would have a similar command of the Matrix upon entry.
NiChO wrote:
If that was the case he would of had it even while he was a bluepill and everyone would have noticed it.Why? He was the One from the start, but the appropriate code wasn't active. Doesn't mean it wasn't there.
Something I noticed watching the Matrix today...Morpheus describes how redpills get into the Matrix as using a pirate broadcast to "hack" the Matrix. The Matrix obviously has some wi-fi thing going on, and I gotta believe Neo just had a wireless receiver in the back of his head.
I'm thinking the Intruder was taken to test a new wireless technology on, but he escaped/pwned too much for them to handle him.
I'm thinking the Intruder was taken to test a new wireless technology on, but he escaped/pwned too much for them to handle him.
Procurator wrote:
He wasn't the One. The Oracle stated so. If he had the code from the start they machines would of taken extra care of him not being awakened.
NiChO wrote:If that was the case he would of had it even while he was a bluepill and everyone would have noticed it.Why? He was the One from the start, but the appropriate code wasn't active. Doesn't mean it wasn't there.
He wasn't the One. The Oracle stated so. If he had the code from the start they machines would of taken extra care of him not being awakened.
NiChO wrote:
Procurator wrote:NiChO wrote:If that was the case he would of had it even while he was a bluepill and everyone would have noticed it.Why? He was the One from the start, but the appropriate code wasn't active. Doesn't mean it wasn't there.
He wasn't the One. The Oracle stated so. If he had the code from the start they machines would of taken extra care of him not being awakened.
No he was the One, he just didn't think he was. "Being the One is like being in love, you just know it balls to bone." Neo still doubted, he questioned himself and it wasn't untill he came to terms with his power that he fully became the One. He had to choose to accept that role.
Plus the One at that point was a key factor in the control over Zion. You can't expcet a legend like that to live on forever with nothing to prove it. So Neo had to be awoken in order for their control to be maintained.
GamiSB wrote:
NiChO wrote:*Put his foot in his mouth*Procurator wrote:NiChO wrote:If that was the case he would of had it even while he was a bluepill and everyone would have noticed it.Why? He was the One from the start, but the appropriate code wasn't active. Doesn't mean it wasn't there.
He wasn't the One. The Oracle stated so. If he had the code from the start they machines would of taken extra care of him not being awakened.No he was the One, he just didn't think he was. "Being the One is like being in love, you just know it balls to bone." Neo still doubted, he questioned himself and it wasn't untill he came to terms with his power that he fully became the One. He had to choose to accept that role.
Plus the One at that point was a key factor in the control over Zion. You can't expcet a legend like that to live on forever with nothing to prove it. So Neo had to be awoken in order for their control to be maintained.
Dont. The truth is never discoverd by just accepting what someone tells you but by constently testing ones theory. And all I've said is just a theory.
This is really getting interesting! This mission went from just trying to control the damage the intruder has been causing, to the operator getting fed up and sending you off on his own task to find out some answers and then getting some! Finally they tell us the intruder was freeborn and this is his first time in the Matrix! I just want to know why there is a freeborn out there messing with the Matrix that the machines know all about
Finally they tell us the intruder was freeborn and this is his first time in the Matrix! I just want to know why there is a freeborn out there messing with the Matrix that the machines know all about 
I just did this critical, and this whole chapter 9 storyline makes absolutely NO SENSE.
1) Freeborns cannot jack in.
2) Since (1), Freeborns have no access to the Matrix.
3) Humans cannot defeat Agents. Exception: Neo
4) Humans cannot change Machine programs. Exception: Neo.
These four facts have been established since the first movie. Therefore, since the plot line makes no sense, it's irritating me that someone would slaughter the basic rules of the Matrix to create a nonsensical storyline. I know this has something to do with that Algorithm Black, and I knew that THAT was idiotic when I saw it...but this chapter 9 storyline is...really getting bad.
I hope it gets better or I may decide to start skipping criticals until chapter 10. This is worse than the Unlimit storyline.
~Teh Wizire
1) Freeborns cannot jack in.
2) Since (1), Freeborns have no access to the Matrix.
3) Humans cannot defeat Agents. Exception: Neo
4) Humans cannot change Machine programs. Exception: Neo.
These four facts have been established since the first movie. Therefore, since the plot line makes no sense, it's irritating me that someone would slaughter the basic rules of the Matrix to create a nonsensical storyline. I know this has something to do with that Algorithm Black, and I knew that THAT was idiotic when I saw it...but this chapter 9 storyline is...really getting bad.
I hope it gets better or I may decide to start skipping criticals until chapter 10. This is worse than the Unlimit storyline.
~Teh Wizire
