[9.1.4] I don't want another version - Recursion - 12/7/07

Hah! Well, this gives me lots of hope for a new peace. Wonder what's going to happen to "incompatable" bluepills of this Matrix.

(( *Glances at the name Incomprehensible.*

H'mm. Someone else jumping on the accent bandwagon? Which one's this supposed to be? ))

I always knew they would implement some sort of upgrade eventually.. highly doubted it was to be an entirely new version, though.

((It's irish, proc.. same as banshae's. :s ))

It makes sense that there would be a preparation on both ends after the truce. Out of sight, out of mind for most people though, I guess...

Definately,  machines are allowed to do whatever they want without question but a new cave is made and there is an uproar.  Very, very hypocritical.

Quite true.  The same is be said about Zion and their new cave.  They built it without concern of the consequences and were appaulled that the machines got huffy about it.

In the end, no one cares about what the other may think or do.  That's the reason we'll never escape this cycle.  Sometimes I think we're just doomed.

  That's the reason we'll never escape this cycle.  Sometimes I think we're just doomed.

((

Wright Reasercher: What an interesting headset you have. What's its magnification capability?

Haha! Nice.

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Sphairo wrote:

Definately,  machines are allowed to do whatever they want without question but a new cave is made and there is an uproar.  Very, very hypocritical.

Quite true.  The same is be said about Zion and their new cave.  They built it without concern of the consequences and were appaulled that the machines got huffy about it.

In the end, no one cares about what the other may think or do.  That's the reason we'll never escape this cycle.  Sometimes I think we're just doomed.

Garu wrote:

Sphairo wrote:

Definately,  machines are allowed to do whatever they want without question but a new cave is made and there is an uproar.  Very, very hypocritical.

Quite true.  The same is be said about Zion and their new cave.  They built it without concern of the consequences and were appaulled that the machines got huffy about it.

In the end, no one cares about what the other may think or do.  That's the reason we'll never escape this cycle.  Sometimes I think we're just doomed.

Some also thought we were doomed to accept the Matrix and not wake from it, but we have. We need to take what's wrong with the situation and push for it to be right. That's the reason we're aware and awake. That's also the only way things are going to change.

Neoteny wrote:

Hah! Well, this gives me lots of hope for a new peace. Wonder what's going to happen to "incompatable" bluepills of this Matrix.

It doesn't necessarily mean that the new simulation is going to replace the current one, at least not for a good while as it's probably in a beta stage, which will give them plenty of time to adjust any methods required to ensure compatability for new humans. If we are unable to 'upgrade' then I would say that they will leave the current version running. When improving on something, best have the last good copy on standby... just in case...

The intruder's from a newer version that the Machines haven't even developed? Well, maybe. That just means that there's a 3rd party out there we don't know of. If that grid guy start appearing in a grid-style in the real too, then we know where the origin lies. Right now, it could be just anything.

Pyraci wrote:

It makes sense that there would be a preparation on both ends after the truce. Out of sight, out of mind for most people though, I guess...

Definately,  machines are allowed to do whatever they want without question but a new cave is made and there is an uproar.  Very, very hypocritical.

so is this  guy a future " anomaly" as the machines would put it?

Vinia wrote:

Neoteny wrote:

Hah! Well, this gives me lots of hope for a new peace. Wonder what's going to happen to "incompatable" bluepills of this Matrix.

It doesn't necessarily mean that the new simulation is going to replace the current one, at least not for a good while as it's probably in a beta stage, which will give them plenty of time to adjust any methods required to ensure compatability for new humans. If we are unable to 'upgrade' then I would say that they will leave the current version running. When improving on something, best have the last good copy on standby... just in case...

Naturally. I mean, look at all of the other previous versions of the Matrix they've left running all these years.

Neoteny wrote:

Vinia wrote:

Neoteny wrote:

Hah! Well, this gives me lots of hope for a new peace. Wonder what's going to happen to "incompatable" bluepills of this Matrix.

It doesn't necessarily mean that the new simulation is going to replace the current one, at least not for a good while as it's probably in a beta stage, which will give them plenty of time to adjust any methods required to ensure compatability for new humans. If we are unable to 'upgrade' then I would say that they will leave the current version running. When improving on something, best have the last good copy on standby... just in case...

Naturally. I mean, look at all of the other previous versions of the Matrix they've left running all these years.

How would you know if they had? Just because we haven't had visitors from previous iterations. I mean, if we hadn't of had Mr. Intruder come to visit us who would have believed in another Simulation run by the same Machines? Also I would tend to say that they usually just upgrade the simulation each time, but I've read something somewhere that someone (I think it was Persephone) has witness the same behavior from the Machines in the past suggesting that they have made a completely new Simulation. To prove a simulation may take some time, possibly long enough for even the youngest to live out their lives on the previous version. So like I said..... how would you know that they havent?

GoDGiVeR wrote:

The intruder's from a newer version that the Machines haven't even developed? Well, maybe. That just means that there's a 3rd party out there we don't know of. If that grid guy start appearing in a grid-style in the real too, then we know where the origin lies. Right now, it could be just anything.

The Machine DID develop it. In a different matrix, maybe a test matrix.

A matrix where it relies on physically strong bluepill possibly... And if this intruder is from there then it would explain the lack of backwords compatibility regarding the failure to load his appearence.

Neoteny wrote:

Vinia wrote:

Neoteny wrote:

Hah! Well, this gives me lots of hope for a new peace. Wonder what's going to happen to "incompatable" bluepills of this Matrix.

It doesn't necessarily mean that the new simulation is going to replace the current one, at least not for a good while as it's probably in a beta stage, which will give them plenty of time to adjust any methods required to ensure compatability for new humans. If we are unable to 'upgrade' then I would say that they will leave the current version running. When improving on something, best have the last good copy on standby... just in case...

Naturally. I mean, look at all of the other previous versions of the Matrix they've left running all these years.

How would you know if they had? Just because we haven't had visitors from previous iterations. I mean, if we hadn't of had Mr. Intruder come to visit us who would have believed in another Simulation run by the same Machines? Also I would tend to say that they usually just upgrade the simulation each time, but I've read something somewhere that someone (I think it was Persephone) has witness the same behavior from the Machines in the past suggesting that they have made a completely new Simulation. To prove a simulation may take some time, possibly long enough for even the youngest to live out their lives on the previous version. So like I said..... how would you know that they havent?

When Mary MacHenry's death was reported, the official cause was given as a fall during a cave exploring holiday in South America. While we do not know what the real reason for her 'death' was, we do know that the body at the funeral was not hers.

If the "Intruder" is a bluepill from another simulation with greatly enhanced physical strength and ability compared to the bluepills in this one, it may provide an explanation as to what happened to Mary MacHenry; her decision to organise a cave exploring holiday being the Machines' way of explaing her increased strength etc and the fabrication of her death - to explain her being extracted from this version of the Matrix (and taken to another version?).

        (( --- From Merovingian 8.3.5 "Unplugged"---

Persephone: When I was with the Machines, at the pods, there was a time when a human was removed from the tower next to mine. I did not know why or where they were taken. I was intensely curious. I tried to find out, but they would not tell me. I accessed the activity logs secretly, hoping to find the reason, but no--it only showed that they had been strengthened, then disconnected. The log entries looked just like those of the MacHenry woman.

Archivist: My colleagues are correct. However, the index refers us to another occurrence of similar log histories. This was during rev.1--that is, during the first iteration of the Matrix simulation. )).

... may suggest that the same process has been taking place ever since the Matrix was created.

Vinia wrote:

How would you know if they had? Just because we haven't had visitors from previous iterations. I mean, if we hadn't of had Mr. Intruder come to visit us who would have believed in another Simulation run by the same Machines? Also I would tend to say that they usually just upgrade the simulation each time, but I've read something somewhere that someone (I think it was Persephone) has witness the same behavior from the Machines in the past suggesting that they have made a completely new Simulation. To prove a simulation may take some time, possibly long enough for even the youngest to live out their lives on the previous version. So like I said..... how would you know that they havent?

Well, for one, you'd think that the Merovingian wouldn't need to keep shifting his base of operations and worry about bringing the now-exiled programs of iterations past with him if these "past Matrixes" were still around.

Previous versons are long gone. The first version, a paradise that was governed by Seraphim, where are they now? In a box because they faced deletion by the hands of the Machine when the system failed. Same with the second. The only remains of these iversions are the parts left within our current be they in construct or in the deepest sections of of the Matrix.

Now then, what we should be wondering now is "why". What purpose does a new version serve? We are currently in Version 3.6. Our version now has worked for six Matrix's and the only current problem is the lack of a working cycle. So why create the whole thing over? A completly new OS to fix a minor problem? Granted the lack of the cycle has left the balance within the simulation go to *poop* at times but its still not the version that is broken, just the cycle.

Could the Machine perhaps be looking to create a world where the choice isn't needed to maintain control?

Only time will tell.

Illyria

nubious81 wrote:

so is this  guy a future " anomaly" as the machines would put it?

Maybe, we have no idea yet.  Capornicus keeps cropping up lately so maybe a little investigatory work into that might give us some answers

~ spha x

Previous versons are long gone. The first version, a paradise that was governed by Seraphim, where are they now? In a box because they faced deletion by the hands of the Machine when the system failed. Same with the second. The only remains of these iversions are the parts left within our current be they in construct or in the deepest sections of of the Matrix.

Now then, what we should be wondering now is "why". What purpose does a new version serve? We are currently in Version 3.6. Our version now has worked for six Matrix's and the only current problem is the lack of a working cycle. So why create the whole thing over? A completly new OS to fix a minor problem? Granted the lack of the cycle has left the balance within the simulation go to *CENSORED* at times but its still not the version that is broken, just the cycle.

Could the Machine perhaps be looking to create a world where the choice isn't needed to maintain control?

Cuse I'm biased =P

But I do realize that it could be your way just as much as it could be mine and that it's way to soon for anyone to start acting off their ideas when we are all (okay maybe not the Machine) still in the brainstorming phase of figureing this all out.

((Is it just me, or was there, somewhere, an event that revealed the matrix can be used to go backwards and forwards in time? Because of system digits, or something? xDD <- horrible horrible memory ))

Perhaps the fact that nobody cares what I think will stop you from really even listening to me, but, as so many before me have said before... I THINK THAT you all are over thinking it. What's the deal with that, eh? "He's The One", "He's Windows XP 2000000", he's--who cares?! Assumptions aren't going to help anything, it's just going to waste time which you could spend more 'efficiently' on actually doing some more research.

I'm apaulled at your arrogance, you only take action when a higher in command such as Veil is around. Not before! Before - you just question it, not after! After - you just -THINK- about it. If you would like to find something out, don't wait for Veil, Cryptos, Tylenol, or whatever her name is. Talk to some folk. Perhaps you'll pick out the right Machine that carries some information, it's better to try your odds constantly than to wait for one 50/50 chance.