Switching tactics is an exploit

Anyways switching tactics in the same round to gain the benefit of both in the given round is indeed a bug and an exploit.

So you have been warned.

Short of the dev's providing a comprehensive list of all possible damage outputs on speed and power, and for all abilities, there's absolutely no way to know who's using what tactic at any given moment. 

Because of this, switching tactics will remain an issue for as long as CR2 lives.  The only way to counter it is to make sure your opponent doesn't win many rounds.

Switching to 'Power' with every won round still doesn't guarantee a win, so this ranks way behind stacking for now.  

I am just gonna copy what I said from another thread:

Just to throw in my $info... as far as I remember in CR1 no matter what tactic you used an ability would do the same damage. Can't it be made so Abilities do a kind of base damage of the style used... like let's say an universal tactic that all abilities use but that you can't manually use? An idea.

I also have a bit of info how the states problem can be fixed. You know how when using misdirect punch, or sky high (or someone else on you) the downgrade starts before the damage and the animtion or in worst cases simultaneously. Can't this be done with normal tactics so they work in the same way? Maybe even make them blinking like abilities, and every ability for itself (with a base damage unexploitable)?


However atm I don't think any1 deserves to be banned over this or suspended. This almost CANNOT be avoided as this is the way the IL system works now. If you want to prove me wrong make a video of how u switch tactics without making the "wrong" state and using abs on the tactics you  started them on.

9mm! Okay, this is going to sound really dumb. Because i don't have a flying clue about how they code the combat system.

But, however. Is there any way to "lock" the tactics? As in power, speed, grab, ect.
So, just say I'm on grab tactic, and about to use Extreme Falling Kick. Is there any way grab could "lock" it's self? When i hit
to use that Ability? So, I'd be on grab tactic as soon as i hit Extreme Falling Kick, my tactics lock them selfs, so i can't changed.
Then they un-lock when that Ability has gone through. 

The short answer is probably but that isn't desired because of the speed with which the server runs through your combat a player would almost never click in the small window of opportunity between the end of one round and the beginning of the next to change tactics which would mean in effect you would be stuck in a tactic you started interlock with.

In effect only the tactic you have at the start of an interlock round should apply to that round. This isn't happening which is why its a bug.

It's kinda sad to say, but, since it's become so "widely accepted" accross the game. Leaving it how it is seems like an equally viable option aswell.

It's kinda sad to say, but, since it's become so "widely accepted" accross the game. Leaving it how it is seems like an equally viable option aswell.

It's sort of how I feel about calling Switching Combat Tactics an exploit now.

It should be possible to fix this by making your active ability selection only update at the beginning of a round.  So you are free to hit tactics buttons as often as you like during a round but once a new round starts the only tactic that affects that round is the one you had selected at the beginning.

First I've heard of this.  What exactly is the exploit?  Are you saying that we can't switch tactics at ALL during interlock?  A lot of times, I'll use a certain tactic to gain a combat state, and then switch to power for when I use a special move to do more damage.  Example, I'll use speed to get a Dazed state, and then switch to power before using Full Auto Redux.

Are you saying this is an exploit?  Because I honestly fail to understand what's wrong with this.

The exploit is when you switch tactics during a single round in order to gain the benefits of both.  For example, let's say you get your dazed and hit the FAR button while still on Speed.  You get the benefit of Speed's 15% Accuracy for your FAR and then, when the ability locks to go through you hit Power in order to get the 20% Damage.  Technically you are supposed to end a round using the same Tactic with which you began it but currently the system does not enforce this. 

There are still many "exploits" in the game that people are taking advange off, but this is to silly if you actully can get banned.

I can think of a cure.

Put cast timers on the tactics.

But only in IL. as you cant exploit this out of IL.


comments and feedback are appreciated.


Lossa!

If you're not aloud to switch tactics in Interlock what would be the point in block tactics altogether?

So if I fire off an ability, press block when the green circle comes, and it does one damage to a lower level.. that's an exploit? :o It would be, if switching to power is.

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Post by 9mmfu here;

It some times amazes me that simply because a dev doesn't put their stamp of disapproval on something before a player will go hrmm "that doesn't seem right perhaps I shouldn't do it"...

Anyways switching tactics in the same round to gain the benefit of both in the given round is indeed a bug and an exploit.

So you have been warned.

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My concern is: if it in fact deemed an exploit, how are we supposed to tell if they are or aren't doing so? We can't see what tactics the player is using. There'll be an uproar of people making CCR tickets if they get beat in PVP, and devs will be taking action off of hearsay evidance.

Thoughts??

bring back CR1, that would fix all the design flaws that were introduced with CR2 that cannot be fixed with out another combat system revamp.

Other than that, if this is an exploit, I suggest a dev come out and say its ok to do, other wise you've just killed several of your MA and gunmen tree's in the game because you completely ruin the state specials if you wont allow a person to flip back to power after they've set up their special.

Other than that, if this is an exploit, I suggest a dev come out and say its ok to do, other wise you've just killed several of your MA and gunmen tree's in the game because you completely ruin the state specials if you wont allow a person to flip back to power after they've set up their special.

Just quoting this here a second; 

The short answer is probably but that isn't desired because of the speed with which the server runs through your combat a player would almost never click in the small window of opportunity between the end of one round and the beginning of the next to change tactics which would mean in effect you would be stuck in a tactic you started interlock with.

In effect only the tactic you have at the start of an interlock round should apply to that round. This isn't happening which is why its a bug.

So do we have any other solution to the bug, 9mm? Because it's currently messing the entire system up as an exploit. Is there a way to 'lock' tactics in place? Would that have to go through QA? Will we have to wait for a hotfix for it? Any ideas?

Roukan wrote:

So if I fire off an ability, press block when the green circle comes, and it does one damage to a lower level.. that's an exploit? :o It would be, if switching to power is.

I think since it doesn't give an advantage I think you can say that it's not an exploit to switch to block I use punt and block to do 1pts damage punts, personally it's not very advantageous. unless you get an advantage by taking your opponents health down one at a time.

pack-hunter wrote:

Roukan wrote:

So if I fire off an ability, press block when the green circle comes, and it does one damage to a lower level.. that's an exploit? :o It would be, if switching to power is.

I think since it doesn't give an advantage I think you can say that it's not an exploit to switch to block I use punt and block to do 1pts damage punts, personally it's not very advantageous. unless you get an advantage by taking your opponents health down one at a time.

Its still a bugger of a bug in PvE. I for one hate it when npcs hit me with 1dmg, its just silly, ugly and reminds me of the situation the game exists in.

cloudwolf wrote:

pack-hunter wrote:

Roukan wrote:

So if I fire off an ability, press block when the green circle comes, and it does one damage to a lower level.. that's an exploit? :o It would be, if switching to power is.

I think since it doesn't give an advantage I think you can say that it's not an exploit to switch to block I use punt and block to do 1pts damage punts, personally it's not very advantageous. unless you get an advantage by taking your opponents health down one at a time.

Its still a bugger of a bug in PvE. I for one hate it when npcs hit me with 1dmg, its just silly, ugly and reminds me of the situation the game exists in.

NPCs can't control tactic switching. We can =/

Honestly I don't see what the big deal is.  Everyone does it, nobody cares except for the people who take PvP too seriously.

Chill.

Considering the stacking exploits, this is the least of our worries. 

Considering the stacking exploits, this is the least of our worries. 

Honestly I don't see what the big deal is.  Everyone does it, nobody cares except for the people who take PvP too seriously.

Chill.

Considering the stacking exploits, this is the least of our worries. 

As has been said before who cares?

It's too accepted now, most who don't do it are told to do it, or get laughed at as noobs. Low levels are taught to do it.

The fact of the matter is, its part of the game now, no matter how much people moan.

TH

It's not an idle moan, it's a genuine concern based on a hard truth. 

The simple fact is that switching tactics is seen as an exploit, whether you like it or not.  Low levels should not be taught how to do it, those who laugh at others who don't use are just attempting to justify its use, and it should never be accepted just because it's 'been around a while'.  It's precisely this pack-mentality that's the problem - The "They use it so why can't I?" justification.

Once again, it has been deemed an e.x.p.l.o.i.t.  If you're caught using it, you will have no cause to complain. 

ThHidden01 wrote:

As has been said before who cares?

It's too accepted now, most who don't do it are told to do it, or get laughed at as noobs. Low levels are taught to do it.

The fact of the matter is, its part of the game now, no matter how much people moan.

TH

It's not an idle moan, it's a genuine concern based on a hard truth. 

The simple fact is that switching tactics is seen as an exploit, whether you like it or not.  Low levels should not be taught how to do it, those who laugh at others who don't use are just attempting to justify its use, and it should never be accepted just because it's 'been around a while'.  It's precisely this pack-mentality that's the problem - The "They use it so why can't I?" justification.

Once again, it has been deemed an e.x.p.l.o.i.t.  If you're caught using it, you will have no cause to complain. 

Come to think of it, i remember 9mm saying a long time ago. Swiching tactics before using a Ability to get higher damage is a exploit. Or someone told me that, one of the two.

 As we can see. It would take too must work to get this fixed. I mean, 9mmfu can't fix the hole thing by his self. Because it would be too much work to do. Having to re-do most of the combat system and all. Might aswell make a CR.3 if so. :/

 All of us really have used this "tactic switching" from when Cr2 hit the live servers. And it looks like it isn't going to change.

So, everyone will keep on using this anyways. And i mean, if someone does ccr you for doing this. Man, they must be a real A-class *CENSORED* hole. Because EVERYONE uses this.

Come to think of it, i remember 9mm saying a long time ago. Swiching tactics before using a Ability to get higher damage is a exploit. Or someone told me that, one of the two.

 As we can see. It would take too must work to get this fixed. I mean, 9mmfu can't fix the hole thing by his self. Because it would be too much work to do. Having to re-do most of the combat system and all. Might aswell make a CR.3 if so. :/

 All of us really have used this "tactic switching" from when Cr2 hit the live servers. And it looks like it isn't going to change.

So, everyone will keep on using this anyways. And i mean, if someone does ccr you for doing this. Man, they must be a real A-class *CENSORED* hole. Because EVERYONE uses this.

The number of people using it doesn't determine the number who face being penalised.

If you use it, you run the risk of being CCR'd for using a known exploit.  I wouldn't consider the CCR'er to be anything but a person who is trying to follow the set benchmarks of combat.

The "If everyone else jumped off a cliff..." analogy comes to mind here.

Um. . .I don't.

Anyways, what I want to hear is how this "hot-switching" of tactics, a confirmed exploit, is accepted by PvP'ers, while TB's and HP's, part of the game's mechanics, are considered "crutches" or "handicaps"?

If you ask me, it's because TB's and HP's are visible and easy to detect. The other is not.

And, judging from the last few posts, it seems like there is still some confusion as to whether this is an exploit or not. So, here it is in black and white:

9mmfu wrote:

AFGM1 wrote:

Tactic switching is a known issue for the devs since start of cr2. The reason they can't fix it, because it would go into a cr3, a complete overhaul of the combat system.

Although it's been officially announced as an issue, it is not, however, announced as an exploit. Stacking clothing, though, is an exploit for the devs.

It some times amazes me that simply because a dev doesn't put their stamp of disapproval on something before a player will go hrmm "that doesn't seem right perhaps I shouldn't do it"...

Anyways switching tactics in the same round to gain the benefit of both in the given round is indeed a bug and an exploit.

So you have been warned.

So what does this mean? It means if I catch you exploiting a known bug, be it this or stacking or whatever, I will /ccr your cheating *CENSORED*, end of.

The thing is, 'not tactic switching' is not supported by the combat system. 

Edit: Unless of course you spend the entire combat phase using only one tactic. 

Umm. . .thats like saying "not breaking the law" is not supported by the justice system.

GypsyJuggler wrote:

The thing is, 'not tactic switching' is not supported by the combat system. 

Edit: Unless of course you spend the entire combat phase using only one tactic. 

Umm. . .thats like saying "not breaking the law" is not supported by the justice system.