Yes, and as 9mmfu said earlier; "...because of the speed with which the server runs through your combat a player would almost never click in the small window of opportunity between the end of one round and the beginning of the next..."
Switching tactics is an exploit
65 posts · 2007-09-17 12:34:25 to 2007-10-03 00:23:00
Yeah but whose going to take the time to watch their system chat instead of fight back?? If someone wants to switch tactics on me, go for it! It's not like it gives that much of an advantage anyway.
Garu wrote:
Yeah but whose going to take the time to watch their system chat instead of fight back?? If someone wants to switch tactics on me, go for it!
Seriously. I end up "exploiting" just because I switch from different tactics depending on the situation. If I see I'm about to get sniped or knived while I'm in interlock.. I'm switching to grab or block.. if the person is low on health, chances are, I'll switch to power...
I'm not going to sit there and try to time it perfectly when I switch.. there's too many things going on. It's never 1v1.
I repeat from another thread: I will NOT /ccr someone for switching tactics on me. It's what CR2 is about.
Garu wrote:
Yeah but whose going to take the time to watch their system chat instead of fight back?? If someone wants to switch tactics on me, go for it! It's not like it gives that much of an advantage anyway.35% damage increase in best case?
l0ri wrote:
The main problem isn't when switching through normal tactics (influencing those is not as possible or happening as badly anyways), it's a problem when there are abilities involved that get heavily influenced by the tactic switch.
I end up "exploiting" just because I switch from different tactics depending on the situation. If I see I'm about to get sniped or knived while I'm in interlock.. I'm switching to grab or block.. if the person is low on health, chances are, I'll switch to power...
I'm not going to sit there and try to time it perfectly when I switch.. there's too many things going on. It's never 1v1.
I repeat from another thread: I will NOT /ccr someone for switching tactics on me. It's what CR2 is about.
The main problem isn't when switching through normal tactics (influencing those is not as possible or happening as badly anyways), it's a problem when there are abilities involved that get heavily influenced by the tactic switch.
Oh I understand the problem, and I understand why it's considered and deemed an exploit. It can still be done by accident.. and I wasn't referring to just normal attacks in my examples either.
Another example.. a hacker using a DoT ability, but switching to block.. the damage output of DoTs don't change and you switched to block.Technically speaking, there's I suppose nothing "wrong" with that.. but by the description of this tactic switching given by a dev..you just exploited.
Hell, switching to block after a special goes through and doing 1 damage is now considered an exploit, but no one's gonna complain about it.
l0ri wrote:
I don't know about that, but what I would call sploits on is if somebody launches DOT's, landed them every time, and they each did max damage. A DOT launched on Power will not hit everytime, because Power tactic reduces your Accuracy 10%. That's a huge hit for even an MKT, let alone a hacker or rifleman.
Oh I understand the problem, and I understand why it's considered and deemed an exploit. It can still be done by accident.. and I wasn't referring to just normal attacks in my examples either.
Another example.. a hacker using a DoT ability, but switching to block.. the damage output of DoTs don't change and you switched to block.Technically speaking, there's I suppose nothing "wrong" with that.. but by the description of this tactic switching given by a dev..you just exploited.
Hell, switching to block after a special goes through and doing 1 damage is now considered an exploit, but no one's gonna complain about it.
I don't know about that, but what I would call sploits on is if somebody launches DOT's, landed them every time, and they each did max damage. A DOT launched on Power will not hit everytime, because Power tactic reduces your Accuracy 10%. That's a huge hit for even an MKT, let alone a hacker or rifleman.
As a DoT hacker, you can use any tactic to land a DoT hack in interlock (sorry, the last post example was in interlock since you can't really "exploit" OoIL), and "exploit" switch to block for defense or IS or whatever.. and your hack will do the same amount of damage. No matter the tactic used to land it. That's all I meant by it. It's obviously different for non-DoT hacks.. where you can "exploit" again and get the damage bonus from power if switched.
Though add Upgrade Attacks with 65 extra base points on your viral accuracy, and chances are, you'll hit with power while it's active 
But the DoT damage won't change.
So, where the hell is the window of opportunity where we are "allowed" to switch tactics? I've been switching tactics in game since the day I started, fighting NPC's and such. I don't wanna be CCR'd for exploits if I'm just clicking on little pictures, or hitting numbers on my keyboard. I'm not a PVPer, but it seems like those who are "CCRing people for the greater good" or whatever are just trying to get in hot with the devs.
I do MKT now, but I can see this whole CCRing the tactic switcher being enforced, people getting banned without really understanding why, getting cheesed off and leaving the game, and mxo sputtering for air before dying a slow, painful death.
I do MKT now, but I can see this whole CCRing the tactic switcher being enforced, people getting banned without really understanding why, getting cheesed off and leaving the game, and mxo sputtering for air before dying a slow, painful death.
The window is switching tactics and THEN choosing your special. Once your special goes through or not, then switch to what you want and use your next special. The "exploit" is when your special goes through, then you quickly switch to something before the damage is done, hence affecting the damage output.
I was going to post something about how this is done, but, duh.
In any case, it does work for DOT's, and it does work in or out of IL.
Switching tactics outside of interlock has not yet been deemed an "exploit", since whatever tactic you end up on is what the damage output is used.
And I just said how it's done with DoTs.. no one will (should) complain about it though since the damage is the same, regardless of tactic used. They could complain about the person being in block and doing the same about of dmg though I suppose.
I was about to come along and continue the discussion, clarifying points and such, just like you guys have been doing and then I remembered that technically this discussion is against the rules because it informs people how to 'exploit'. Considering the level of moderation lately I'm surprised this hasn't been locked down or heavily edited already. I'd like to continue the discussion but for the sake of paranoia I want to know Jurymen's stance on the issue.
Jurymen, is continued discussion about this 'exploit' going to result in action against any of the participants or do you deem that under the circumstances this conversation may continue?
Jurymen, is continued discussion about this 'exploit' going to result in action against any of the participants or do you deem that under the circumstances this conversation may continue?
To be on the safe side I think it would be best to halt any conversation about this topic until we can get a member of the Customer Service team here to make an official ruling. For now I will put a lock on the thread but at the same time I will send a message off to Brewko and see what he thinks about it.
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