30 posts · 2007-08-30 19:11:50 to 2007-09-05 13:58:26
((I love how I've missed that last five recursion Mech Events. =P))
Well, that was quick.
I guess the Security Guard wasn't scared by my impression of an angry mob. Anyways, great job, everyone! And it seems that Morris slipped away while we were inside the club. I'm sure we'll catch up to him soon, but would you all mind keeping a look out for him? Thanks.
-Rylet
Zionite Liaison Officer
And VAP0R you best be happy!))
Good work to everyone involved. It was a little chaotic in Tabor, but we weren't exactly going for 'organized attack' when we showed up there.((you bet your booty I'm happy. I'm in 3 or 4 of those screenshots
((Glad my healer/banana outfit was able to stand out in the crowd
))
I enjoyed this event, even though we kept getting booted out when we were staying in character.I consider bypassing org locks an exploit, and since I haven't yet managed to persuade the CSRs to start handing out bans for it, I just have to rely on the old boot to deal with it. The activity is highly disruptive to events, and I really can't believe anyone considers it "in character." I'm disgusted by the players who've been abusing it recently.
odj wrote:Somewhere, a penguin just died.I enjoyed this event, even though we kept getting booted out when we were staying in character.I consider bypassing org locks an exploit, and since I haven't yet managed to persuade the CSRs to start handing out bans for it, I just have to rely on the old boot to deal with it. The activity is highly disruptive to events, and I really can't believe anyone considers it "in character." I'm disgusted by the players who've been abusing it recently.
Rarebit wrote:odj wrote:Somewhere, a penguin just died.I enjoyed this event, even though we kept getting booted out when we were staying in character.I consider bypassing org locks an exploit, and since I haven't yet managed to persuade the CSRs to start handing out bans for it, I just have to rely on the old boot to deal with it. The activity is highly disruptive to events, and I really can't believe anyone considers it "in character." I'm disgusted by the players who've been abusing it recently.
I concur.
I believe someone has been abusing the building's physical attributes.
odj wrote:I enjoyed this event, even though we kept getting booted out when we were staying in character.I consider bypassing org locks an exploit, and since I haven't yet managed to persuade the CSRs to start handing out bans for it, I just have to rely on the old boot to deal with it. The activity is highly disruptive to events, and I really can't believe anyone considers it "in character." I'm disgusted by the players who've been abusing it recently.
Yeeeep.
/Agree.
odj wrote:Then that's the last time I accept random team invites. A confirmation screen before being ported with Recall Team Member would be nice. Had no idea I was getting ported until it was too late.I enjoyed this event, even though we kept getting booted out when we were staying in character.I consider bypassing org locks an exploit, and since I haven't yet managed to persuade the CSRs to start handing out bans for it, I just have to rely on the old boot to deal with it. The activity is highly disruptive to events, and I really can't believe anyone considers it "in character." I'm disgusted by the players who've been abusing it recently.
odj wrote:Thats ridiculous. An exploit is where someone gains something. Nothing is gained from someone using your broken system to party with friends. If the person breaking the orglock is causing trouble, then action should be taken. Otherwise, let the people who miss your special live events planned for their org enjoy a little of someone else's.I enjoyed this event, even though we kept getting booted out when we were staying in character.I consider bypassing org locks an exploit, and since I haven't yet managed to persuade the CSRs to start handing out bans for it, I just have to rely on the old boot to deal with it. The activity is highly disruptive to events, and I really can't believe anyone considers it "in character." I'm disgusted by the players who've been abusing it recently.
Rarebit wrote:((You have to admit tho' It hard to roleplay, making a plan or keeping something secret when you have members of the opposition standing next to you. Bypassing an Org lock does gain you something... knowledge about what is going on, but then if it isn't a particularly good building for it, people outside can listen in and gain the knowledge anyway.odj wrote:Thats ridiculous. An exploit is where someone gains something. Nothing is gained from someone using your broken system to party with friends. If the person breaking the orglock is causing trouble, then action should be taken. Otherwise, let the people who miss your special live events planned for their org enjoy a little of someone else's.I enjoyed this event, even though we kept getting booted out when we were staying in character.I consider bypassing org locks an exploit, and since I haven't yet managed to persuade the CSRs to start handing out bans for it, I just have to rely on the old boot to deal with it. The activity is highly disruptive to events, and I really can't believe anyone considers it "in character." I'm disgusted by the players who've been abusing it recently.
AmbrielSyntax wrote:Sorry, but the ability to orglock alone defeats roleplay. The players in this community are constantly being asked to modify their RP to match with a bunch of real world software issues with the game, and I'm really disappointed to see a dev be "disgusted" with players about it.Rarebit wrote:You have to admit tho' It hard to roleplay, making a plan or keeping something secret when you have members of the opposition standing next to you. Bypassing an Org lock does gain you something... knowledge about what is going on, but then if it isn't a particularly good building for it, people outside can listen in and gain the knowledge anyway.odj wrote:Thats ridiculous. An exploit is where someone gains something. Nothing is gained from someone using your broken system to party with friends. If the person breaking the orglock is causing trouble, then action should be taken. Otherwise, let the people who miss your special live events planned for their org enjoy a little of someone else's.I enjoyed this event, even though we kept getting booted out when we were staying in character.I consider bypassing org locks an exploit, and since I haven't yet managed to persuade the CSRs to start handing out bans for it, I just have to rely on the old boot to deal with it. The activity is highly disruptive to events, and I really can't believe anyone considers it "in character." I'm disgusted by the players who've been abusing it recently.
Orglock requires rework to prevent posting people of other Orgs in, if not possible then find a way in which the system automatically ports them outside. It also requires prevention of area chat leaking outside the room or building, or at least an implementation of a local area Org chat.
How about allowing Spies to bypass the Orglock but in doing so automatically flags them, so at least the Operatives inside can get rid of him/her....
Croesus wrote:AmbrielSyntax wrote:Sorry, but the ability to orglock alone defeats roleplay.Rarebit wrote:You have to admit tho' It hard to roleplay, making a plan or keeping something secret when you have members of the opposition standing next to you. Bypassing an Org lock does gain you something... knowledge about what is going on, but then if it isn't a particularly good building for it, people outside can listen in and gain the knowledge anyway.odj wrote:Thats ridiculous. An exploit is where someone gains something. Nothing is gained from someone using your broken system to party with friends. If the person breaking the orglock is causing trouble, then action should be taken. Otherwise, let the people who miss your special live events planned for their org enjoy a little of someone else's.I enjoyed this event, even though we kept getting booted out when we were staying in character.I consider bypassing org locks an exploit, and since I haven't yet managed to persuade the CSRs to start handing out bans for it, I just have to rely on the old boot to deal with it. The activity is highly disruptive to events, and I really can't believe anyone considers it "in character." I'm disgusted by the players who've been abusing it recently.
Orglock requires rework to prevent posting people of other Orgs in, if not possible then find a way in which the system automatically ports them outside. It also requires prevention of area chat leaking outside the room or building, or at least an implementation of a local area Org chat.
How about allowing Spies to bypass the Orglock but in doing so automatically flags them, so at least the Operatives inside can get rid of him/her....
((I don't think it does. The game has certain limits, good roleplay is compromising with these limits, not bypassing them.
When the Merv has a secret meeting, its not at all good roleplay if half a dozen EPN come strolling in, sit down and listen, it would never happen. One or two spies outside the door, ok but in the interest of moving the story along, the Merv can't keep moving location just for one meeting because some clowns keep walking into it and acting up. Good espionage is not allowing your enemy to know that you know what they are up to.
Some may argue that allowing you to have more than one character defeats Roleplay as you can then know everything thats going on, where in real life, you wouldn't. Yes you have to modify your RP a bit, but using an exploit to bypass that which other players have to compromise on is not really playing ball.
I still think that if someone gets into an enemy's meeting, they should be automatically flagged, as they wouldn't really allow then to be in there in real life.))
AmbrielSyntax wrote:I like that idea. I would consider that a reasonable way to deal with bypassing orglocks. I don't think a dev being "disgusted" with players is appropiate at all though. Some players don't realize that they are about to be team recalled into an orglocked location, and yet these players are now considered "exploiters". Symmetric hit on a good point......recall should have a confirmation window from the player, then it truly is the players responsibility to find out where they are being transported to.Croesus wrote:AmbrielSyntax wrote:Sorry, but the ability to orglock alone defeats roleplay.Rarebit wrote:You have to admit tho' It hard to roleplay, making a plan or keeping something secret when you have members of the opposition standing next to you. Bypassing an Org lock does gain you something... knowledge about what is going on, but then if it isn't a particularly good building for it, people outside can listen in and gain the knowledge anyway.odj wrote:Thats ridiculous. An exploit is where someone gains something. Nothing is gained from someone using your broken system to party with friends. If the person breaking the orglock is causing trouble, then action should be taken. Otherwise, let the people who miss your special live events planned for their org enjoy a little of someone else's.I enjoyed this event, even though we kept getting booted out when we were staying in character.I consider bypassing org locks an exploit, and since I haven't yet managed to persuade the CSRs to start handing out bans for it, I just have to rely on the old boot to deal with it. The activity is highly disruptive to events, and I really can't believe anyone considers it "in character." I'm disgusted by the players who've been abusing it recently.
Orglock requires rework to prevent posting people of other Orgs in, if not possible then find a way in which the system automatically ports them outside. It also requires prevention of area chat leaking outside the room or building, or at least an implementation of a local area Org chat.
How about allowing Spies to bypass the Orglock but in doing so automatically flags them, so at least the Operatives inside can get rid of him/her....I don't think it does. The game has certain limits, good roleplay is compromising with these limits, not bypassing them.
When the Merv has a secret meeting, its not at all good roleplay if half a dozen EPN come strolling in, sit down and listen, it would never happen. One or two spies outside the door, ok but in the interest of moving the story along, the Merv can't keep moving location just for one meeting because some clowns keep walking into it and acting up. Good espionage is not allowing your enemy to know that you know what they are up to.Some may argue that allowing you to have more than one character defeats Roleplay as you can then know everything thats going on, where in real life, you wouldn't. Yes you have to modify your RP a bit, but using an exploit to bypass that which other players have to compromise on is not really playing ball.
I still think that if someone gets into an enemy's meeting, they should be automatically flagged, as they wouldn't really allow then to be in there in real life.
Croesus wrote:((This is also a good idea. I don't think Rare determines that all people who get ported in to live events, bypassing the Org lock are exploiters as you are quite correct, they may not be aware of who is porting them and where until its too late, I think he means he is 'disgusted' by those who do it often and know what they are doing.AmbrielSyntax wrote:I like that idea. I would consider that a reasonable way to deal with bypassing orglocks. I don't think a dev being "disgusted" with players is appropiate at all though. Some players don't realize that they are about to be team recalled into an orglocked location, and yet these players are now considered "exploiters". Symmetric hit on a good point......recall should have a confirmation window from the player, then it truly is the players responsibility to find out where they are being transported to.Croesus wrote:AmbrielSyntax wrote:Sorry, but the ability to orglock alone defeats roleplay.Rarebit wrote:You have to admit tho' It hard to roleplay, making a plan or keeping something secret when you have members of the opposition standing next to you. Bypassing an Org lock does gain you something... knowledge about what is going on, but then if it isn't a particularly good building for it, people outside can listen in and gain the knowledge anyway.odj wrote:Thats ridiculous. An exploit is where someone gains something. Nothing is gained from someone using your broken system to party with friends. If the person breaking the orglock is causing trouble, then action should be taken. Otherwise, let the people who miss your special live events planned for their org enjoy a little of someone else's.I enjoyed this event, even though we kept getting booted out when we were staying in character.I consider bypassing org locks an exploit, and since I haven't yet managed to persuade the CSRs to start handing out bans for it, I just have to rely on the old boot to deal with it. The activity is highly disruptive to events, and I really can't believe anyone considers it "in character." I'm disgusted by the players who've been abusing it recently.
Orglock requires rework to prevent posting people of other Orgs in, if not possible then find a way in which the system automatically ports them outside. It also requires prevention of area chat leaking outside the room or building, or at least an implementation of a local area Org chat.
How about allowing Spies to bypass the Orglock but in doing so automatically flags them, so at least the Operatives inside can get rid of him/her....I don't think it does. The game has certain limits, good roleplay is compromising with these limits, not bypassing them.
When the Merv has a secret meeting, its not at all good roleplay if half a dozen EPN come strolling in, sit down and listen, it would never happen. One or two spies outside the door, ok but in the interest of moving the story along, the Merv can't keep moving location just for one meeting because some clowns keep walking into it and acting up. Good espionage is not allowing your enemy to know that you know what they are up to.Some may argue that allowing you to have more than one character defeats Roleplay as you can then know everything thats going on, where in real life, you wouldn't. Yes you have to modify your RP a bit, but using an exploit to bypass that which other players have to compromise on is not really playing ball.
I still think that if someone gets into an enemy's meeting, they should be automatically flagged, as they wouldn't really allow then to be in there in real life.
)they should be automatically flagged, as they wouldn't really allow then to be in there in real life.Funny enough, I was flagged inside for a little while, and none of them attacked me.
Croesus wrote:they should be automatically flagged, as they wouldn't really allow then to be in there in real life.Funny enough, I was flagged inside for a little while, and none of them attacked me.
Why? Because I was there of my own regard, and for my own reasons, and they were well enough to respect that.
