[8.1.4] Mr. Manohar must be reconfigured - Recursion - 8/8/07

#36300300599 08/09/2007 22:26:08 [8.1.4] Mr. Manohar must be reconfigured - Recursion - 8/8/07

Operatives,

Our duplicate Mr. Manohar was a success. The System thanks those operatives who participated in his arrest, termination, and reconstruction, particularly those who contributed items for this latter phase, namely:

Mr. Bradges
Mr. Haywood
Mr. Johnson
Ms. Keeler
Mr. Kennedy
Ms. Kino
Mr. Nazareth
Ms. Roy
Mr. Taylor
Mr. Verrick

While the two deaths of Mr. Manohar were regrettable, the access this stratagem has given us to Zion's systems will help us end the war, thus saving countless innocent lives.

Efficientemente,

Agent Pace
System Liaison

#36300300602 08/09/2007 22:35:43 Re:[8.1.4] Mr. Manohar must be reconfigured - Recursion - 8/8/07

(( Good, creative event. <3 ))

*edited by admin*

#36300300608 08/09/2007 22:48:08 Re:[8.1.4] Mr. Manohar must be reconfigured - Recursion - 8/8/07

Once again, I would like to reiterate that the Cypherite Organization in Recursion do not condone the killing of Mr. Manohar for any reason.

#36300300609 08/09/2007 22:54:06 Re:[8.1.4] Mr. Manohar must be reconfigured - Recursion - 8/8/07

((Aww, Rarebit got none of our epic 3 second stare down in the housing projects.

#36300300610 08/09/2007 22:58:03 Re:[8.1.4] Mr. Manohar must be reconfigured - Recursion - 8/8/07

Barbaric... truely barbaric.

#36300300615 08/09/2007 23:18:37 Re:[8.1.4] Mr. Manohar must be reconfigured - Recursion - 8/8/07

[[Great idea for an event, even if I do not agree with actual stuff that happend during the event.]]

#36300300618 08/09/2007 23:26:00 Re:[8.1.4] Mr. Manohar must be reconfigured - Recursion - 8/8/07

Definitely out of the box. Props. SMILEY

#36300300642 08/10/2007 01:44:23 Re:[8.1.4] Mr. Manohar must be reconfigured - Recursion - 8/8/07

I really liked the start of this event, it's interesting to see that Machinists react to orders with noteably less efficiency than they always pride themselves on having. The Pill Search portion was less compelling but still clever and looked like a lot of fun. Nice one Rare :)

#36300300645 08/10/2007 01:50:43 Re:[8.1.4] Mr. Manohar must be reconfigured - Recursion - 8/8/07

*Smiles as he watches the Machine operatives defect to his ranks*

...and you grant us profit...

((All messages in green are Shiboo's.))
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#36300300668 08/10/2007 03:29:13 Re:[8.1.4] Mr. Manohar must be reconfigured - Recursion - 8/8/07

Machinists: Claiming the moral high ground and 'protecting the innocents' since 1999.

Seriously, what were people expecting? Anyone with half a brain knows the Machines couldn't care less about a human life.

Or is it just a case that if the Machines kill a bluepill it's ok, but if Zion or EPN ever killed one it'd be a cold heartless murder.

GGmachinists.

#36300300686 08/10/2007 03:59:17 Re:[8.1.4] Mr. Manohar must be reconfigured - Recursion - 8/8/07

*Grumbles.*

#36300300695 08/10/2007 04:31:07 Re:[8.1.4] Mr. Manohar must be reconfigured - Recursion - 8/8/07

Ah, so this is the infamous organization that gives all of Recursion the reputation as a drama server. Well done!

In regards to the actual event....this quote sums it all up:

This line rang a bell with me. Then I remembered my history. The lower-level defendants (guards, camp commanders, etc.) at the Nuremburg Trails almost always used this line (or a variation of it) to justify themselves.

#36300300708 08/10/2007 05:14:03 Re:[8.1.4] Mr. Manohar must be reconfigured - Recursion - 8/8/07

The death of this man was regrettable but as Pace said it was an action taken in order to save countless lives. His death will save many now that Zion's predicted reaction will be to hesitate to awaken now.

In war, all hands become soiled regardless of the stance you take. In the end, everyone has to choose a side. Of course everyone will gasp at the sight of this but its expected.

Call it what you want but I call it necessary.

#36300300709 08/10/2007 05:17:36 Re:[8.1.4] Mr. Manohar must be reconfigured - Recursion - 8/8/07

The_Big_V wrote:

Ah, so this is the infamous organization that gives all of Recursion the reputation as a drama server. Well done!
In regards to the actual event....this quote sums it all up:
This line rang a bell with me. Then I remembered my history. The lower-level defendants (guards, camp commanders, etc.) at the Nuremburg Trails almost always used this line (or a variation of it) to justify themselves.

Right!

((And, just by the way: Not only the lower-level defendants used it - Even Speer (secretary of armor, in case you missed your history lesson) used it to present himself as a recipient of Hitler's orders.))

Sooner or later, Zion will free humanity from this system of terror that is surpressing every single human being in the pods.

#36300300711 08/10/2007 05:22:24 Re:[8.1.4] Mr. Manohar must be reconfigured - Recursion - 8/8/07

Well Agent 'bury me in a Y shaped coffin' Pace manages to perpetrate a perfect example of the total contempt in which the Machines hold bluepills before the eyes of the loyal machine operatives, Cyphs take note of your 'efficient' partners and ....Mech ops please note there is no justification for any human to be working alongside this callous and ignorant Machines???

((The Mech org was the most convincing and defined organisation in MxO, while it did have a section of 'wannabe agents' valid rp'ers could evolve from the post Revolutions status pround and strong..... as far as I can tell via the early ludicrous situation with the Cyphs and Crytos through the broken truce to today every valid mech rp has been betrayed))

#36300300716 08/10/2007 05:30:06 Re:[8.1.4] Mr. Manohar must be reconfigured - Recursion - 8/8/07

The greatest good for the greatest number of people.

Yes, the death of Mr. Manohar was regrettable, the saving of many more is far from it. Operatives worked very well as a team and you should be proud of yourselves for your accuracy and efficiency. This does not mean, however, that it will not be worked upon further; you can be sure of that.

[ Osterlind ]

#36300300728 08/10/2007 05:41:23 Re:[8.1.4] Mr. Manohar must be reconfigured - Recursion - 8/8/07

Osterlind wrote:

The greatest good for the greatest number of people.
Yes, the death of Mr. Manohar was regrettable, the saving of many more is far from it. Operatives worked very well as a team and you should be proud of yourselves for your accuracy and efficiency. This does not mean, however, that it will not be worked upon further; you can be sure of that.
[ Osterlind ]

As much as I hate to belittle human life, Osterlind has a point.

But to anyone who disagrees with that:

Killing for the greater good > Killing because political extremism

((God that took a long time to post. Anyone else having image problems?))

#36300300749 08/10/2007 06:20:50 Re:[8.1.4] Mr. Manohar must be reconfigured - Recursion - 8/8/07

Killing in the name of the greater good.... How ironic. Seems the machines are no better than us. I do recall the contempt they held for Morpheus and what he was doing with the code bombs. Are they any less barbaric than they claimed him to be? Pace has become more bloodthirsty with each passing day. The fact that she is able to perform her "duties" unchecked leads me to believe that the "system" deems these actions "necessary" for the "greater good" and therefore support murdering bluepills. Pace your day will come. I think that the suppression of your more "human" side will come back to bite you in the *CENSORED* later on down the line. I smell a meltdown coming in the future.

#36300300755 08/10/2007 06:35:43 Re:[8.1.4] Mr. Manohar must be reconfigured - Recursion - 8/8/07

Nice job protecting an innocent bluepill there Machinists. I'm sure she says thats the only one she will order you to kill, but you know if they need more info I am sure more will be found expendable. Good job...

((And *CENSORED* being put on ignore for being IC for the entire event... I think you're getting a little to happy with that ignore button Rare.))

#36300300757 08/10/2007 06:45:49 Re:[8.1.4] Mr. Manohar must be reconfigured - Recursion - 8/8/07

Roukan wrote:

((Aww, Rarebit got none of our epic 3 second stare down in the housing projects.

Looks like you to me.

#36300300759 08/10/2007 06:48:23 Re:[8.1.4] Mr. Manohar must be reconfigured - Recursion - 8/8/07

Tytanya_MxO wrote:

Well Agent 'bury me in a Y shaped coffin' Pace manages to perpetrate a perfect example of the total contempt in which the Machines hold bluepills before the eyes of the loyal machine operatives, Cyphs take note of your 'efficient' partners and ....Mech ops please note there is no justification for any human to be working alongside this callous and ignorant Machines???
((The Mech org was the most convincing and defined organisation in MxO, while it did have a section of 'wannabe agents' valid rp'ers could evolve from the post Revolutions status pround and strong..... as far as I can tell via the early ludicrous situation with the Cyphs and Crytos through the broken truce to today every valid mech rp has been betrayed))

Yes the Machines used to be my second favorite org. What a disgrace they've become. All along....purveyors of the Big Lie.

- Overwriting redpills for the "greater good."

- Propagaing the myth of bluepill reinsertion for the "greater good."

- Keeping humans in pods, not for energy, but for other reasons. For the "greater good."

- Murdering bluepills for the "greater good."

I just shake my head in disbelief.

#36300300762 08/10/2007 06:55:21 Re:[8.1.4] Mr. Manohar must be reconfigured - Recursion - 8/8/07

That makes The Merovingian organization the only one where you know what's the ground you're standing, since the beginning. Even if the methods employed by The Frenchman are questionable, he has had the grace of not hiding his intentions at all.

#36300300763 08/10/2007 06:55:27 Re:[8.1.4] Mr. Manohar must be reconfigured - Recursion - 8/8/07

((Are the Machines reminding anyone else of the Neighbourhood Watch Alliance in Hot Fuzz? Killing everyone they want to for the 'Greater Good' so they can win Village of the Year.))

#36300300765 08/10/2007 07:01:11 Re:[8.1.4] Mr. Manohar must be reconfigured - Recursion - 8/8/07

Asa wrote:

((Are the Machines reminding anyone else of the Neighbourhood Watch Alliance in Hot Fuzz? Killing everyone they want to for the 'Greater Good' so they can win Village of the Year.))

LOL spot on!

#36300300769 08/10/2007 07:15:33 Re:[8.1.4] Mr. Manohar must be reconfigured - Recursion - 8/8/07

RSI Pills to change a bluepills appearance??

I find that a bit strange, but hey ho.

#36300300774 08/10/2007 07:21:15 Re:[8.1.4] Mr. Manohar must be reconfigured - Recursion - 8/8/07

It was a program. They killed the bluepill.

#36300300778 08/10/2007 07:34:14 Re:[8.1.4] Mr. Manohar must be reconfigured - Recursion - 8/8/07

Killing a bluepill who was going to be awakened... then replacing him...

Apparently this guy must have been attacking you, no wait he must have been a threat to every single bluepill out there. There is no denying what happened, you killed a human, in cold blood. Try your best to justify your actions, you just re-inforced what we believed about you anyway.

Pace and her lackeys, your liaisons, might try to claim this is for a greater good... most of you will just take their word for it. The same word of those who have been brainwashing humans and now killing them to use replacements. This all goes back to the one thing they ever want... control, nothing else matters. They are really taking advantage of choosing to end the truce with a stupid reason, now they can pull those puppet strings to get you to kill your own kind, welldone Gray, you got them... hook,line and sinker.

#36300300779 08/10/2007 07:34:28 Re:[8.1.4] Mr. Manohar must be reconfigured - Recursion - 8/8/07

RedBindi wrote:

Nice job protecting an innocent bluepill there Machinists. I'm sure she says thats the only one she will order you to kill, but you know if they need more info I am sure more will be found expendable. Good job...
((And *CENSORED* being put on ignore for being IC for the entire event... I think you're getting a little to happy with that ignore button Rare.))

((I'm appalled. All of the Trustees there get put on ignore for being IN-CHARACTER and knowing about the event?! For God's sake, Rylet was there. The Trust, Rylet, Fallen Horizon, and plenty of other Zionites were there, as well as Mervs. And now we're just expected to pretend like we never saw anything because the storyline is too linear to allow a huge twist like someone from a different org stumbling upon a parade of 50+ machinists walking through Magog and going into a casino with a bluepill!))

((I've defended Rare and his decisions time and time again, but this is absurd.))

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#36300300793 08/10/2007 07:58:06 Re:[8.1.4] Mr. Manohar must be reconfigured - Recursion - 8/8/07

Time for some good quotes:

"Agent Pace:No, He did not have a tattoo."
"ReProgrammed: How do you know Pace....."
"Agent Pace: I scanned him of coarse."
"ReProgrammed:I see......Can you scan me?"
"ReProgrammed:I want to see if you can tell if I have a tattoo."
"Agent Pace: How do you know I have not already done so?"
"ReProgrammed:Um"
"ReProgrammed: I don't"
"ReProgrammed: But can you tell me if you have?"

"Agent Pace: Are you trying to impress me, Mr.Benson?"
"Skull086:heh"
"ReProgrammed: SOrry?"

(( Its getting to the point were a man can't take off a shirt and be declared flirting. ))

....(( not that I mind of coarse ^.^ ))

#36300300795 08/10/2007 08:12:23 Re:[8.1.4] Mr. Manohar must be reconfigured - Recursion - 8/8/07

(( The Bluepill wasn't killed because he was a threat. It's a one-off operation to analyse Zion's extraction routines, or something. The most recent Mech critical mission follows directly on from this event, and the program in the ex-Bluepill's RSI does its job. They're continuing their goal of shutting down Zion operations and defenses, not killing Bluepills just so Zion can't get their hands on them. ))

Asa wrote:

((Are the Machines reminding anyone else of the Neighbourhood Watch Alliance in Hot Fuzz? Killing everyone they want to for the 'Greater Good' so they can win Village of the Year.))

(( *Laughs.* So Manohar was a crusty juggler? ))

#36300300805 08/10/2007 08:39:09 Re:[8.1.4] Mr. Manohar must be reconfigured - Recursion - 8/8/07

MetaLogic wrote:

Once again, I would like to reiterate that the Cypherite Organization in Recursion do not condone the killing of Mr. Manohar for any reason.

..I second that.

#36300300808 08/10/2007 08:44:12 Re:[8.1.4] Mr. Manohar must be reconfigured - Recursion - 8/8/07

((great event idea here, I liked the reactions of the Machinists in it.))

#36300300819 08/10/2007 08:55:50 Re:[8.1.4] Mr. Manohar must be reconfigured - Recursion - 8/8/07

Ha! And they say The Merovingian is ruthless.

I must say that this is a response more beffiting the Machines as we know them. Good show, Madame Agent. It is always good to be reminded that, as beautiful as a rose is, it still has thorns.

Should any Machinist operatives feel the shackles of Machine servitude are beginning to chafe, feel free to contact your neighborhood Merovingian Liaison Officer. At least with The Merovingian, you always know on which side you are truly standing.

Arrivederci,

#36300300832 08/10/2007 09:29:33 Re:[8.1.4] Mr. Manohar must be reconfigured - Recursion - 8/8/07

We're at war. And in all wars, innocent people die. There's no way around it, unfortunately.

Illyria

#36300300843 08/10/2007 09:49:06 Re:[8.1.4] Mr. Manohar must be reconfigured - Recursion - 8/8/07

I cannot say that I am particularly happy with the means with which we gained access to Zion's extraction mainframe, but I can understand the thinking of the Machines. However if this one regrettable act saves at least one life in the long term then I shall feel a lot better about it.

I do not believe that any Organisation is above killing bluepills for their own ends, even those who claim to want to protect them. Yes this is war as Illyria says, killing innocents is something to try to avoid, but there will always be innocent casualties of war and as I said, it is regrettable.

#36300300845 08/10/2007 09:51:24 Re:[8.1.4] Mr. Manohar must be reconfigured - Recursion - 8/8/07

LtCmdr_Tsusai wrote:

Roukan wrote:
((Aww, Rarebit got none of our epic 3 second stare down in the housing projects.

Looks like you to me.

LRN2READ kthnx =P I said in the housing projects, when Rare left.

#36300300850 08/10/2007 09:56:48 Re:[8.1.4] Mr. Manohar must be reconfigured - Recursion - 8/8/07

Illyria22 wrote:

We're at war. And in all wars, innocent people die. There's no way around it, unfortunately.
Illyria

Yeah there is - in war you're not supposed to be killing the people you're supposed to protect! This is absurd - there's no reason he had to die. Lock the guy up, erase his memory, whatever. Killing him was completely and utterly unnessecary.

#36300300863 08/10/2007 10:09:00 Re:[8.1.4] Mr. Manohar must be reconfigured - Recursion - 8/8/07

This is what I love about Machinist. "If one life can be saved it will be worth it". Bull *CENSORED*! What about his family huh? What about him and his own life? Did he sign up for it? Did he want to die? How many of you people walked in and told him he had to come with you for his protection. You lied to him to get his trust you and then once you had it you killed him. Nothing that comes from that is going to bring back what you just helped take away. Oh sure keep on chanting "it's for the greater good" all you like so you can fall asleep with a clear conscience but face the facts, the Machine organization is not interested in saving lives, is not interested in humanities well being, and is only interested in controlling and dominating the human race through any means necessary

This isn't the first time they have killed a bluepill for the "greater good" and I'm sure it won't be the last.

#36300300864 08/10/2007 10:09:02 Re:[8.1.4] Mr. Manohar must be reconfigured - Recursion - 8/8/07

Illyria22 wrote:

We're at war. And in all wars, innocent people die. There's no way around it, unfortunately.
Illyria

Yet you lambaste us every time we step on a pigeon. You want to criticize us for supposed 'collateral damage' then quit killing bluepills. And don't tell me you haven't because ever since the beginning of the truce the subject of Neo and Morph's pre-truce forays into the matrix has been brought up as a way to try and guilt us folks who were actually looking for peace. Either protect the system without harming it or get off my back. *CENSORED* hypocrits.

#36300300866 08/10/2007 10:09:44 Re:[8.1.4] Mr. Manohar must be reconfigured - Recursion - 8/8/07

No, it WAS necessary. Zion and EPN refuse to stop awakening bluepills. If we have to kill one to give them pause, then so be it. His death was a means to a reaction.

This is the real world, folks. This is also war. All this idealistic banter does nothing. You can't save everyone, so you save as many as you can. Majority rules, eh?

#36300300867 08/10/2007 10:10:06 Re:[8.1.4] Mr. Manohar must be reconfigured - Recursion - 8/8/07

kou_urake wrote:

Illyria22 wrote:
We're at war. And in all wars, innocent people die. There's no way around it, unfortunately.
Illyria
Yeah there is - in war you're not supposed to be killing the people you're supposed to protect! This is absurd - there's no reason he had to die. Lock the guy up, erase his memory, whatever. Killing him was completely and utterly unnessecary.

I wonder if there was a reason why they couldn't wipe his mind, but then again, wiping someone's mind is in effect killing them anyway, sacrificing a personality for a preferred new one, it will never be the same person again. Adding a program to someone's mind may not be altering their personality, but it may cause problems possibly resulting in degradation, ie. dying.

#36300300869 08/10/2007 10:12:42 Re:[8.1.4] Mr. Manohar must be reconfigured - Recursion - 8/8/07

It wasn't a matter of wiping his mind. Zion was going to approach him. He was on the List. This action was meant to give them pause. Awakenings are no longer permitted and yet they defy that relentlessly.

Examples must be made.

#36300300870 08/10/2007 10:14:47 Re:[8.1.4] Mr. Manohar must be reconfigured - Recursion - 8/8/07

Oh, so it's the "greater good" then. If I had one info for everytime...

#36300300871 08/10/2007 10:16:28 Re:[8.1.4] Mr. Manohar must be reconfigured - Recursion - 8/8/07

Alphaea wrote:

Illyria22 wrote:
We're at war. And in all wars, innocent people die. There's no way around it, unfortunately.
Illyria
Yet you lambaste us every time we step on a pigeon. You want to criticize us for supposed 'collateral damage' then quit killing bluepills. And don't tell me you haven't because ever since the beginning of the truce the subject of Neo and Morph's pre-truce forays into the matrix has been brought up as a way to try and guilt us folks who were actually looking for peace. Either protect the system without harming it or get off my back. *CENSORED* hypocrits.

Killing a bluepill as a means to do something is one thing, killing untold numbers of bluepills for the possibility of finding something is completely different.

#36300300874 08/10/2007 10:20:14 Re:[8.1.4] Mr. Manohar must be reconfigured - Recursion - 8/8/07

Alphaea wrote:

Oh, so it's the "greater good" then. If I had one info for everytime...

...Zion has already killed a blue pill. Yeah we'd both be rich.

#36300300880 08/10/2007 10:27:37 Re:[8.1.4] Mr. Manohar must be reconfigured - Recursion - 8/8/07

Garu wrote:

...Zion has already killed a blue pill. Yeah we'd both be rich.

Weak.

#36300300881 08/10/2007 10:29:48 Re:[8.1.4] Mr. Manohar must be reconfigured - Recursion - 8/8/07

Tytanya_MxO wrote:

((The Mech org was the most convincing and defined organisation in MxO, while it did have a section of 'wannabe agents' valid rp'ers could evolve from the post Revolutions status pround and strong..... as far as I can tell via the early ludicrous situation with the Cyphs and Crytos through the broken truce to today every valid mech rp has been betrayed))

(( /thumbsup to Tytanya. It's nice to see that Machinists aren't the only ones to see this. We can only hope things turn around sooner than later, but I'm afraid much of the damage has been done. ))

#36300300885 08/10/2007 10:42:59 Re:[8.1.4] Mr. Manohar must be reconfigured - Recursion - 8/8/07

Shinryu wrote:

Tytanya_MxO wrote:
((The Mech org was the most convincing and defined organisation in MxO, while it did have a section of 'wannabe agents' valid rp'ers could evolve from the post Revolutions status pround and strong..... as far as I can tell via the early ludicrous situation with the Cyphs and Crytos through the broken truce to today every valid mech rp has been betrayed))
(( /thumbsup to Tytanya. It's nice to see that Machinists aren't the only ones to see this. We can only hope things turn around sooner than later, but I'm afraid much of the damage has been done. ))

((Agreed, I can only hope there is a dark sinister part of the story behind all of this to explain why killing him was the only course of action available, because I would not be happy if it was just a way to utilise the RSI pills as part of an LE))

#36300300900 08/10/2007 11:17:20 Re:[8.1.4] Mr. Manohar must be reconfigured - Recursion - 8/8/07

Shinryu wrote:
((Agreed, I can only hope there is a dark sinister part of the story behind all of this to explain why killing him was the only course of action available, because I would not be happy if it was just a way to utilise the RSI pills as part of an LE))

((Latest Machine Crit anyone?))

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#36300300902 08/10/2007 11:17:30 Re:[8.1.4] Mr. Manohar must be reconfigured - Recursion - 8/8/07

Osterlind wrote:

The greatest good for the greatest number of people.
Yes, the death of Mr. Manohar was regrettable, the saving of many more is far from it. Operatives worked very well as a team and you should be proud of yourselves for your accuracy and efficiency. This does not mean, however, that it will not be worked upon further; you can be sure of that.
[ Osterlind ]

There were other ways.

Illyria wrote:

We're at war. And in all wars, innocent people die. There's no way around it, unfortunately.
Illyria

You think this is war? This isn't war. War has defined goals, and objectives. This is an extension of what we had before, with a higher degree of hate attached. This is bickering between the orgs of Zion and the Machines, and a steady game of "We're better tee hee". Zion can't awaken people...so they do it anyway "tee hee", Zion told the Mechs no to accessing their Mainframes, the Machines will do it anyway, "tee hee".

This *poop* is stupid to a high degree.

I wouldn't be so adverse to war.

If this were war, we'd all be killing every day, and no ones EJP would work.

If this were war, we would see the undertaking of missions that would have a lasting PSYOPs effect.

There are few things as unnerving as having one of your "top operatives" [IE;Ghost] being forced back to his hovercraft upon jacking in, via a high powered rifle.

This isn't war, but sometimes? I kinda wish it was.