[7.2.4] It's not a hovercraft captain's signal like we thought - Vector - 5/15/07

Hey everyone,

It was tough, but we finally managed to trace the origin of the Nabonidus captain's signal we've been picking up along with the Morpheus broadcasts, and...well, it turns out that it's fake.

Whoever's behind it did a real good job of hiding the source by bouncing it off multiple radio towers in the city, and an old relay point in the Real. And they have got their hands on secure Zion ship records, because the signal matched the signature Zion had for the Nabonidus, Morpheus' old ship.

But we've double-checked our results, and the signal's definitely originating within the Matrix itself. That means it can't be a hovercraft beacon signal like it's made out to be. We don't know who's sending it, but...it isn't what a lot of us hoped it was.

Michael

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My friends,

We have hoped for so long now that we could find out the source of the transmission and now we have done just that. True, it's not what we thought we would find but we need to keep going on this. We need to find out who is behind this, quickly.

We've all had our theories and no doubt there are going to be a whole lot more now that we have this piece of the puzzle. We need to keep them out of our minds and work on finding out the facts.

See you inside,

Khepril

We have hoped for so long now that we could find out the source of the transmission and now we have done just that. True, it's not what we thought we would find but we need to keep going on this. We need to find out who is behind this, quickly.

We've all had our theories and no doubt there are going to be a whole lot more now that we have this piece of the puzzle. We need to keep them out of our minds and work on finding out the facts.

See you inside,

Khepril"

I think that many would share in the disappointment of these results. There is an element to Morpheus, which serves as a father figure; certainly to myself.

However, I do find myself relieved that the reliability of the signal has been shown to be spurious. Were the revelations that Neo was alive and being imprisoned by The Machines found to hold worth, there would be enormous implications to the future of The Matrix and The Real.

I have heard theories that The General is responsible for everything, Cyph's, EPN, getting Morpheus shot and that all along The Merv and The General are in cahoots from the beginning.  I dont believe it but with this happening, it makes it look more like that.

((But saying that, saying it was the General is too obvious, Rarebit has hinted to a big twist, The General is too obvious.... hmmm))

This is far from over. Let's continue searching for the truth.

And now for a rare occasion when I will quote Cypher...

"Buckle your seatbelt, Dorothy, Kansas is going bye-bye."

Well I'm impressed, its taken months EPN have hurled out numerous codebombs, killed who knows how many bluepills in the process, incited violence, risked the truce and finally they discover that its just possible that the 'random vision telling you everything you want to hear' might just be too good to be true.

Also I have to say the Kid has now got the completely vacant look to a tee gg son

Well I'm impressed, its taken months EPN have hurled out numerous codebombs, killed who knows how many bluepills in the process, incited violence, risked the truce and finally they discover that its just possible that the 'random vision telling you everything you want to hear' might just be too good to be true.

Also I have to say the Kid has now got the completely vacant look to a tee gg son

The last code bomb was detonated in August, well before this even came up. Do some research.

I don't recall any of these Morpheus events involving bluepills. Please provide me with a link if I'm wrong.

No arguments with the rest though. It's easy to point the finger at whatever scapegoat is available, but the fact is, EPN has stood around doing nothing in the past and everyone else has shown up and started the "violence" you speak of.

Oh how I laughed when The Kid announced it. Zions hopes crushed, I hope the truce breaking was worth it!

I think it's rather obvious that The General is behind this, I mean the words spoken by "Morpheus" were just fed to Zion in such a manipulative way and they fell for it hook like and sinker. Breaking the truce at any opertunity they could when surrounded by EPN; even turning up for another EPN only meeting. When do you guys get your EPN tags?((Seriously Syntax and Recursion EPN manage to keep Zion out of their events why can't Vector?))

Oh how I laughed when The Kid announced it. Zions hopes crushed, I hope the truce breaking was worth it!

I think it's rather obvious that The General is behind this, I mean the words spoken by "Morpheus" were just fed to Zion in such a manipulative way and they fell for it hook like and sinker. Breaking the truce at any opertunity they could when surrounded by EPN; even turning up for another EPN only meeting. When do you guys get your EPN tags?((Seriously Syntax and Recursion EPN manage to keep Zion out of their events why can't Vector?))

From my observations, I think the only reason most people who did believe this signal was from Morpheus only wanted to simply because they were looking for confirmation that he was alive, not because of the message the signal brought us. While I guess the possibility of Morpheus being involved with the signal isn't entirely ruled out if he is in fact somehow still alive, it seems a lot less likely now, and I think some may feel a small amount of relief that the once great Captain who dedicated himself to finding an end to the war at one time, is not who appeared before us trying to start another.

If this signal is fake, then whoever is behind it has a sickening sense of humor. Morpheus made some very bad decisions that affected us all leading up to his passing, but that doesn't make it okay to abuse his memory like this. We can at least take comfort in knowing that the signal is failing in what it is trying to accomplish.

Yasamuu1 wrote:

Oh how I laughed when The Kid announced it. Zions hopes crushed, I hope the truce breaking was worth it!

I think it's rather obvious that The General is behind this, I mean the words spoken by "Morpheus" were just fed to Zion in such a manipulative way and they fell for it hook like and sinker. Breaking the truce at any opertunity they could when surrounded by EPN; even turning up for another EPN only meeting. When do you guys get your EPN tags?((Seriously Syntax and Recursion EPN manage to keep Zion out of their events why can't Vector?))

We do??? Last I checked they always show up. Then complain when we show up to their events.

Oh how I laughed when The Kid announced it. Zions hopes crushed, I hope the truce breaking was worth it!

Wait a minute, wait a minute... Where has the truce been broken? The Machine hasn't started digging again to anyone's knowledge, nor has Zion proper declared all-out war against the Machine. Bluepills can still be freed that want out. I don't see any breaking of a truce. Let's not jump the gun here. There's still the Machine's little dark secret with this Cryptos manipulation, which seems all too quickly swept under the rug. There's fault on several sides if you ask me, but no truce has been broken.

I think it's rather obvious that The General is behind this, I mean the words spoken by "Morpheus" were just fed to Zion in such a manipulative way and they fell for it hook like and sinker. Breaking the truce at any opertunity they could when surrounded by EPN; even turning up for another EPN only meeting. When do you guys get your EPN tags?((Seriously Syntax and Recursion EPN manage to keep Zion out of their events why can't Vector?))

Maybe this is an act of manipulation on the part of the General, maybe not.

Some people believed this was Morpheus himself, some didn't.

But the fact remains that it isn't real, and Zion began to question like everyone else. Don't be do quick to assume what people are thinking on the other side of the fence without knowing for yourself, as you put it in an earlier thread. I know I can't speak for everyone in Zion and EPN, but instead of pointing fingers at each other over hearsay and rumors, why can't we focus on finding out just what the hell is really going on? This isn't just a matter of controlling Zion. It's a matter of putting all of us at war with each other.

- Ezechiel

Yasamuu1 wrote:

Oh how I laughed when The Kid announced it. Zions hopes crushed, I hope the truce breaking was worth it!

Wait a minute, wait a minute... Where has the truce been broken? The Machine hasn't started digging again to anyone's knowledge, nor has Zion proper declared all-out war against the Machine. Bluepills can still be freed that want out. I don't see any breaking of a truce. Let's not jump the gun here. There's still the Machine's little dark secret with this Cryptos manipulation, which seems all too quickly swept under the rug. There's fault on several sides if you ask me, but no truce has been broken.

It must just have been air those Zionites were shooting at machines with then?

I think it's rather obvious that The General is behind this, I mean the words spoken by "Morpheus" were just fed to Zion in such a manipulative way and they fell for it hook like and sinker. Breaking the truce at any opertunity they could when surrounded by EPN; even turning up for another EPN only meeting. When do you guys get your EPN tags?((Seriously Syntax and Recursion EPN manage to keep Zion out of their events why can't Vector?))

Maybe this is an act of manipulation on the part of the General, maybe not.

Some people believed this was Morpheus himself, some didn't.

But the fact remains that it isn't real, and Zion began to question like everyone else. Don't be do quick to assume what people are thinking on the other side of the fence without knowing for yourself, as you put it in an earlier thread. I know I can't speak for everyone in Zion and EPN, but instead of pointing fingers at each other over hearsay and rumors, why can't we focus on finding out just what the hell is really going on? This isn't just a matter of controlling Zion. It's a matter of putting all of us at war with each other.

Yes, but the manipulation was aimed directly at Zion, because you look at it and how they act as soon as anything Morpheus related comes to light. They attack machinsts on a regular basis, they get all hyped up, but in the end The General just played them all for fools. However, when they aren't included in Machine operations there is massive outcries.

Oh how I laughed when The Kid announced it. Zions hopes crushed,

no

I hope the truce breaking was worth it!

Why must you have all the fun?

I think it's rather obvious that The General is behind this,

Oh?

I mean the words spoken by "Morpheus" were just fed to Zion in such a manipulative way and they fell for it hook like and sinker.

Nice try.

Breaking the truce at any opertunity they could when surrounded by EPN;

Your buddies attacked us right in front of your boss on the day before...

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Yasamuu1 wrote:

Oh how I laughed when The Kid announced it. Zions hopes crushed,

no

I hope the truce breaking was worth it!

Why must you have all the fun?

I must admit it is rather funny watching all of Zion succumb to it.

I think it's rather obvious that The General is behind this,

Oh?

It's a theory that makes sense, you look at how he had the power to manipulate things easily into his favour. The afore-mentioned strain being placed on the truce by simulating the Morpheus transmissions, who better to use to stir the pot? So many Zionites will easily succumb to the words of their hero.

I mean the words spoken by "Morpheus" were just fed to Zion in such a manipulative way and they fell for it hook like and sinker.

Nice try.

eh?

Breaking the truce at any opertunity they could when surrounded by EPN;

Your buddies attacked us right in front of your boss on the day before...

We did? 

even turning up for another EPN only meeting. When do you guys get your EPN tags?((Seriously Syntax and Recursion EPN manage to keep Zion out of their events why can't Vector?))

What makes it an EPN only meeting, because the Kid is there? People from every org except only a couple Cyphs and Mervs were there doing something(at least i didn't see many if there were some. Too bad because Madbent won't let us kill Machs unless they attack first )

What makes it an EPN only meeting? The Liaisons taking EPN faction leaders to Yuki and breifing them, if Zion was wanted they'd be involved? Presumably Zion faction leaders got the email about the event too? As far as I'm aware Zions council has done their best to distance themselves from EPN.

So it looks like this wasn't Morpheus...

I'm a little sad, however, it doesn't bother me too much. To me Morpheus was dead, the old one at least. The one The Assassin killed was a shadow of his former self, no role model.

I hope we can all go back to focussing our attentions on The General now that this little distraction has been dealt with.

I find it rather convenient that every time we get close to The General or we take down an ally of his, Morpheus seems to appear and spout some Anti-Truce non-sense.

-Trep

Pyraci wrote:

Yasamuu1 wrote:

Oh how I laughed when The Kid announced it. Zions hopes crushed, I hope the truce breaking was worth it!

Wait a minute, wait a minute... Where has the truce been broken? The Machine hasn't started digging again to anyone's knowledge, nor has Zion proper declared all-out war against the Machine. Bluepills can still be freed that want out. I don't see any breaking of a truce. Let's not jump the gun here. There's still the Machine's little dark secret with this Cryptos manipulation, which seems all too quickly swept under the rug. There's fault on several sides if you ask me, but no truce has been broken.

It must just have been air those Zionites were shooting at machines with then?

Hey, the Machine shoots back, and it's operatives do too. The statement still stands: The truce hasn't been broken.

...silly billy <3

I think it's rather obvious that The General is behind this, I mean the words spoken by "Morpheus" were just fed to Zion in such a manipulative way and they fell for it hook like and sinker. Breaking the truce at any opertunity they could when surrounded by EPN; even turning up for another EPN only meeting. When do you guys get your EPN tags?((Seriously Syntax and Recursion EPN manage to keep Zion out of their events why can't Vector?))

Maybe this is an act of manipulation on the part of the General, maybe not.

Some people believed this was Morpheus himself, some didn't.

But the fact remains that it isn't real, and Zion began to question like everyone else. Don't be do quick to assume what people are thinking on the other side of the fence without knowing for yourself, as you put it in an earlier thread. I know I can't speak for everyone in Zion and EPN, but instead of pointing fingers at each other over hearsay and rumors, why can't we focus on finding out just what the hell is really going on? This isn't just a matter of controlling Zion. It's a matter of putting all of us at war with each other.

Yes, but the manipulation was aimed directly at Zion, because you look at it and how they act as soon as anything Morpheus related comes to light. They attack machinsts on a regular basis, they get all hyped up, but in the end The General just played them all for fools. However, when they aren't included in Machine operations there is massive outcries.

Manipulation works both ways - directing people (primarily Zion/EPN) against other people (Machine/Cyph) so this was against the Machinists. I've been held at gunpoint by Machinists enough to know that these attacks go both ways There isn't any room to claim innocence. There may be individuals that make a fuss about not being included on mech ops, but that doesn't mean the whole group does. We can be just as "efficient" as anyone else.

- Ezechiel

Yasamuu1 wrote:

Pyraci wrote:

Yasamuu1 wrote:

Oh how I laughed when The Kid announced it. Zions hopes crushed, I hope the truce breaking was worth it!

Wait a minute, wait a minute... Where has the truce been broken? The Machine hasn't started digging again to anyone's knowledge, nor has Zion proper declared all-out war against the Machine. Bluepills can still be freed that want out. I don't see any breaking of a truce. Let's not jump the gun here. There's still the Machine's little dark secret with this Cryptos manipulation, which seems all too quickly swept under the rug. There's fault on several sides if you ask me, but no truce has been broken.

It must just have been air those Zionites were shooting at machines with then?

Hey, the Machine shoots back, and it's operatives do too. The statement still stands: The truce hasn't been broken.

...silly billy <3

But they made moves and attacks which break the terms of it <3

I think it's rather obvious that The General is behind this, I mean the words spoken by "Morpheus" were just fed to Zion in such a manipulative way and they fell for it hook like and sinker. Breaking the truce at any opertunity they could when surrounded by EPN; even turning up for another EPN only meeting. When do you guys get your EPN tags?((Seriously Syntax and Recursion EPN manage to keep Zion out of their events why can't Vector?))

Maybe this is an act of manipulation on the part of the General, maybe not.

Some people believed this was Morpheus himself, some didn't.

But the fact remains that it isn't real, and Zion began to question like everyone else. Don't be do quick to assume what people are thinking on the other side of the fence without knowing for yourself, as you put it in an earlier thread. I know I can't speak for everyone in Zion and EPN, but instead of pointing fingers at each other over hearsay and rumors, why can't we focus on finding out just what the hell is really going on? This isn't just a matter of controlling Zion. It's a matter of putting all of us at war with each other.

Yes, but the manipulation was aimed directly at Zion, because you look at it and how they act as soon as anything Morpheus related comes to light. They attack machinsts on a regular basis, they get all hyped up, but in the end The General just played them all for fools. However, when they aren't included in Machine operations there is massive outcries.

Manipulation works both ways - directing people (primarily Zion/EPN) against other people (Machine/Cyph) so this was against the Machinists. I've been held at gunpoint by Machinists enough to know that these attacks go both ways There isn't any room to claim innocence.

Aren't you EPN? Bleh I lose track of your loyalties :pp

<3<3

Oh, EPN...

I have been told by so many that I am wrong, that it is him, that he is returning, that I am wicked, for I do not believe.

Now you see why I never believed. Blinded are the faithful, not the skeptical.

-Neoteny

Oh, EPN...

I have been told by so many that I am wrong, that it is him, that he is returning, that I am wicked, for I do not believe.

Now you see why I never believed. Blinded are the faithful, not the skeptical.

-Neoteny

Aren't you EPN? Bleh I lose track of your loyalties :pp

Oh, EPN...

I have been told by so many that I am wrong, that it is him, that he is returning, that I am wicked, for I do not believe.

Now you see why I never believed. Blinded are the faithful, not the skeptical.

-Neoteny

I'm going to dedicate this thread to your undeniable logic if it turns out the General was behind this.

Neoteny wrote:

Oh, EPN...

I have been told by so many that I am wrong, that it is him, that he is returning, that I am wicked, for I do not believe.

Now you see why I never believed. Blinded are the faithful, not the skeptical.

-Neoteny

But you did once believe, my friend.  And who is stronger?  A man attacked for his beliefs time and again until he becomes hurt, and a skeptic?  Or a man attacked for his beliefs time and again, that remains faithful?

Which of the above do you believe Morpheus himself experienced within Zion?  Which of the above do you believe he will be looking for, when and if he returns?

I'd rather be an optimist than a skeptic.  At least if I'm an optimist, I open my mind to possibility...

For Neo,
Zeissman

((Why is it when I read "Kid: To the church!" I rofl'ed?))

So it looks like this wasn't Morpheus...

I'm a little sad, however, it doesn't bother me too much. To me Morpheus was dead, the old one at least. The one The Assassin killed was a shadow of his former self, no role model.

I hope we can all go back to focussing our attentions on The General now that this little distraction has been dealt with.

I find it rather convenient that every time we get close to The General or we take down an ally of his, Morpheus seems to appear and spout some Anti-Truce non-sense.

-Trep

This lady speaks the truth.

The Morpheus who stood for Zion was gone long before the Assassin's foul stench filled the air.

Of course we wanted to hold onto hope, but what Merrit said was also correct, what were we really hoping for? The return of the same man who fell from grace and threatened so much? I sure as hell know i wasn't.

Maybe theres more to this, maybe there isn't. All i know is we shouldnt go risking anything more than we already have chasing shadows. That goes for you as well EPN, stop playing games with your lives and hurry up home.

What is it the kids are saying these days?

Ah, that's right...

"Pwnt."

Zeissman wrote:

Neoteny wrote:

Oh, EPN...

I have been told by so many that I am wrong, that it is him, that he is returning, that I am wicked, for I do not believe.

Now you see why I never believed. Blinded are the faithful, not the skeptical.

-Neoteny

But you did once believe, my friend.  And who is stronger?  A man attacked for his beliefs time and again until he becomes hurt, and a skeptic?  Or a man attacked for his beliefs time and again, that remains faithful?

Which of the above do you believe Morpheus himself experienced within Zion?  Which of the above do you believe he will be looking for, when and if he returns?

I'd rather be an optimist than a skeptic.  At least if I'm an optimist, I open my mind to possibility...

For Neo,
Zeissman

A skeptic defaults to the position that it doesn't deserve belief until it can be reasonably proven, seen, smelled, tasted, heard, or touched.  That's not the same a pessimist, one who assumes the worst about everything. Of course, I suppose in the eye of a believer, assuming the worst and assuming nonexistence are one and the same, eh?

If you were as skeptic as you claim to be, then you would still be a bluepill. We've all taken our leaps of faith at one time.

That being said, I believe I was the one from EPN that said when asked about this matter, "Beware false prophets who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves."

Another point for my successful foresight track record.

Zeissman wrote:

Neoteny wrote:

Oh, EPN...

I have been told by so many that I am wrong, that it is him, that he is returning, that I am wicked, for I do not believe.

Now you see why I never believed. Blinded are the faithful, not the skeptical.

-Neoteny

But you did once believe, my friend.  And who is stronger?  A man attacked for his beliefs time and again until he becomes hurt, and a skeptic?  Or a man attacked for his beliefs time and again, that remains faithful?

Which of the above do you believe Morpheus himself experienced within Zion?  Which of the above do you believe he will be looking for, when and if he returns?

I'd rather be an optimist than a skeptic.  At least if I'm an optimist, I open my mind to possibility...

For Neo,
Zeissman

Once upon a midnight dreary when Sun Tzu once would have claimed my head in no time, I believed. Then, I came to know myself, and found my own beliefs, I found that the burden of Morpheus's fate was lifted from me.

I was never hurt, never attacked for my beliefs, when I had them. Or, if I was, I have already forgotten them, for they never would have phased me. I merely had an epiphany, discovered my true purpose, and that Morpheus's seemed antithesis to mine. I put that ugliness behind me, and have decided to move on along my own path.

I am not concerned with Morpheus's return, if he indeed does return. Amid the smiles and cheers, I would be the one grimacing in the background, waiting to shout out "What's wrong with peace?"

In being perfectly honest, the one ridiculed for his beliefs in this situation was me. I believed it was not him, and stood by my beliefs, enduring the taunts of others that I was an unworthy unbeliever for my beliefs, or lack thereof.

But make no mistake, I am no pecimist. Merely a realist. One who is going to need proof before he believes that a "dead man" has come back to life.

Fatmop wrote:

Zeissman wrote:

Neoteny wrote:

Oh, EPN...

I have been told by so many that I am wrong, that it is him, that he is returning, that I am wicked, for I do not believe.

Now you see why I never believed. Blinded are the faithful, not the skeptical.

-Neoteny

But you did once believe, my friend.  And who is stronger?  A man attacked for his beliefs time and again until he becomes hurt, and a skeptic?  Or a man attacked for his beliefs time and again, that remains faithful?

Which of the above do you believe Morpheus himself experienced within Zion?  Which of the above do you believe he will be looking for, when and if he returns?

I'd rather be an optimist than a skeptic.  At least if I'm an optimist, I open my mind to possibility...

For Neo,
Zeissman

A skeptic defaults to the position that it doesn't deserve belief until it can be reasonably proven, seen, smelled, tasted, heard, or touched.  That's not the same a pessimist, one who assumes the worst about everything. Of course, I suppose in the eye of a believer, assuming the worst and assuming nonexistence are one and the same, eh?

If you were as skeptic as you claim to be, then you would still be a bluepill. We've all taken our leaps of faith at one time.

That being said, I believe I was the one from EPN that said when asked about this matter, "Beware false prophets who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves."

Another point for my successful foresight track record.

I'm not skeptical about everything Yah, just this kind of junk, and other suspicious things like it. You've got to admit EPN hasn't exactly had a good track record for "believing" things, though. And I'm quite sure it was the majority that either believed or hoped it was him. Nothing to be too embarassed about - a large number of Zionites believed it as well. But maybe it's time for those who did believe to recant and reconsider any positions they've taken that were influenced by this fake.

However, my statement shouldn't offend those who didn't blindly follow this charade (including yourself and Zeissman, as well as others, I'm sure). It was more a message to those who had an overconfidence in what is now readily apparent as the illusion it has always been. Not having at least a little bit of reasonable doubt about something like this proves them susceptible to deception, and they should take measures to ensure that they are not duped again.