[7.2.4] It's not a hovercraft captain's signal like we thought - Vector - 5/15/07

Another question that arises from this is how, assuming it is him, would he be in a position to get secure Zion ship records; those of the Nabonidus itself?

We definitely need to get to the bottom of this as Khepril said, Pluribus. Our work isn't done by any means.

It's very simple...but I will save you some time, and help you out with your 'work'.  The General could have gotten Zion ship records from when Zion was working with him.  I'm sure he had someone with the ability to hack into Zion's information systems.

Simple, 'eh? 

Illyria

Mnemasyne wrote:

Another question that arises from this is how, assuming it is him, would he be in a position to get secure Zion ship records; those of the Nabonidus itself?

We definitely need to get to the bottom of this as Khepril said, Pluribus. Our work isn't done by any means.

It's very simple...but I will save you some time, and help you out with your 'work'.  The General could have gotten Zion ship records from when Zion was working with him.  I'm sure he had someone with the ability to hack into Zion's information systems.

Simple, 'eh? 

Illyria

Illyria22 wrote:

Mnemasyne wrote:

Another question that arises from this is how, assuming it is him, would he be in a position to get secure Zion ship records; those of the Nabonidus itself?

We definitely need to get to the bottom of this as Khepril said, Pluribus. Our work isn't done by any means.

It's very simple...but I will save you some time, and help you out with your 'work'.  The General could have gotten Zion ship records from when Zion was working with him.  I'm sure he had someone with the ability to hack into Zion's information systems.

Simple, 'eh? 

Illyria

Right because the General just has so many resources to waste while the Machines are destroying his bases, tapping (and now shutting down) his network, and killing off his men in the real and the Matrix. Time to get a new theory because while it no longer apperas to be Morpheus the same can almost be said for the General these days.

I believe this particular theory pretains to a time before the Machines had launched an active campaign against the General, and were still in search of his base of operations as a mere side effort.

At that point, he had numerous commandos hacking numerous systems, including the Machines' (thank God we failed that mission...). It would be unsurprising if they did a little hacking into the Zion mainframe during their tenure with us.

True however with the most recent sightings being during these operations conducted by the Machines (taped network, battle going on in the real ect.) the theory doesn't hold as much water as it used to when it first came up. Sadly the only way we will probably ever know if it was right or not is if once the General is dead the sightings stop.

Not saying it isn't possible, just saying it is slowly becomeing less and less likely to be true.

As a Zionite who has been skeptical of the Morpheus sightings, I'm only glad that The Kid came up with a way to verify the origins of the signal before too many people were taken in by this tactic of distraction. 

But before other non-Zion orgs get too smug about this, I'd advise them to examine this lesson about human nature carefully and be warned.  The Machines need us to be willing to go along with this Truce, thus the hard sell, the attractive Agent, and - failing all else - the heavy artillery aimed up Zion's nose.  But behind all the subtle and not-so-subtle ways the Machines enforce this peace is the fear of the human spirit that they've always harbored.  The Machines know that, despite all their guns, all their propoganda, and all their One cycles, they can't completely conquer it, ever.  Pity, because perpetuating their parasitic existence would be so much easier if they could.  And when leaders like Morpheus arise who inspire us and rekindle the spirit of freedom, it just reminds them of their inability to completely crush us.

To which I say, "Neener, neener, neener."  Smugness, right back atcha.

I would be lying if I said that this new revelation didn't make me sad.  These messages brought a lot of people hope and now that hope has disappeared again. 

The truth is, we don't know who is behind this.  Yeah, Morpheus could still be out there.  But we don't know who sent these messages or why.

Keep your eyes peeled, Zion.  Trust nobody.

I can't believe I missed this posting! HAHAHAHA at the gullible EPN! Poor fools, you are more ignorant than the *WE* are suppose to be.

I can't believe I missed this posting! HAHAHAHA at the gullible EPN! Poor fools, you are more ignorant than the *WE* are suppose to be.

Pffft Mr. Teny, there were documents left over by Agents that hinted toward the truth about Cryptos long before Seraph unfortuantly revealed it. You had to truely turn a blind eye to the Cypherite situation to not even think that we had some kind of influence from the Machines.

Archangel wrote:

Fatmop wrote:

Zeissman wrote:

Neoteny wrote:

Oh, EPN...

I have been told by so many that I am wrong, that it is him, that he is returning, that I am wicked, for I do not believe.

Now you see why I never believed. Blinded are the faithful, not the skeptical.

-Neoteny

But you did once believe, my friend.  And who is stronger?  A man attacked for his beliefs time and again until he becomes hurt, and a skeptic?  Or a man attacked for his beliefs time and again, that remains faithful?

Which of the above do you believe Morpheus himself experienced within Zion?  Which of the above do you believe he will be looking for, when and if he returns?

I'd rather be an optimist than a skeptic.  At least if I'm an optimist, I open my mind to possibility...

For Neo,
Zeissman

A skeptic defaults to the position that it doesn't deserve belief until it can be reasonably proven, seen, smelled, tasted, heard, or touched.  That's not the same a pessimist, one who assumes the worst about everything. Of course, I suppose in the eye of a believer, assuming the worst and assuming nonexistence are one and the same, eh?

If you were as skeptic as you claim to be, then you would still be a bluepill. We've all taken our leaps of faith at one time.

That being said, I believe I was the one from EPN that said when asked about this matter, "Beware false prophets who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves."

Another point for my successful foresight track record.

I'm not skeptical about everything Yah, just this kind of junk, and other suspicious things like it. You've got to admit EPN hasn't exactly had a good track record for "believing" things, though. And I'm quite sure it was the majority that either believed or hoped it was him. Nothing to be too embarassed about - a large number of Zionites believed it as well. But maybe it's time for those who did believe to recant and reconsider any positions they've taken that were influenced by this fake.

However, my statement shouldn't offend those who didn't blindly follow this charade (including yourself and Zeissman, as well as others, I'm sure). It was more a message to those who had an overconfidence in what is now readily apparent as the illusion it has always been. Not having at least a little bit of reasonable doubt about something like this proves them susceptible to deception, and they should take measures to ensure that they are not duped again.

Well i must admit i did my doubts about this, but it was nice to think that old Morpheus was returning, still at least we are getting closer to who ever is doing this and perhaps the truth will be strange and disturbing.

I must now talk to Procurator and Yasamuu, and say this. Never accuse Zion of breaking the Truce. For you also like to now and again side with the Cypherites, plus you lied to us and the Cypherites about him.

Seriously if anyone is going to start the war again, it's the Machines for their lies and reckless actions

I must now talk to Procurator and Yasamuu, and say this. Never accuse Zion of breaking the Truce. For you also like to now and again side with the Cypherites, plus you lied to us and the Cypherites about him.

Seriously if anyone is going to start the war again, it's the Machines for their lies and reckless actions

Honestly, I really don't think FA and ML were shooting at us with air. Whatever.

Two wrongs don't make a right. Sure I can't condone that crap with the Cypherites, it made me seriously question the Machines, however there were numerous benefits for example by controlling Cryptos, since he was hell bent on destroying The Matrix before he was taken over we subdued a universal thread. But trying to justify something by pointing out other flaws isn't right either.

 But trying to justify something by pointing out other flaws isn't right either.

I stand by my initial statement, Ebola.

And for all of you Machinsits who don't like the idea of working in cooperation with Cypherites, maybe you ought to make your voices heard, as Pace seems to have made some "deal" with them. If not, the lines of the Truce are going to become blurrier than the Machines could even begin to imagine.

I stand by my initial statement, Ebola.

And for all of you Machinsits who don't like the idea of working in cooperation with Cypherites, maybe you ought to make your voices heard, as Pace seems to have made some "deal" with them. If not, the lines of the Truce are going to become blurrier than the Machines could even begin to imagine.