109 posts · 2007-05-11 19:14:25 to 2007-05-16 16:47:25
Some people just won't learn that they shouldn't go around planting bombs until they blow up in their face. I'm not counting on the brats to learn anything from this latest mess of theirs, but there's a first time for everything, hm?
Veil <3
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Technically, these really weren't bombs were they?No, but Veil doesn't like to do much thinking. It slows her down.
If it ticks like a bomb, has to be disarmed like a bomb, it might just be a...
If it ticks like a bomb, has to be disarmed like a bomb, it might just be a...
If it ticks like a bomb, has to be disarmed like a bomb, it might just be a...
Wonder if we'll get any word on who disarmed each bomb.I heard it was you, Ebola, and either you or Mobu, but my memory's sketchy.
Wonder if we'll get any word on who disarmed each bomb.I'll put as much faith into that as the chance of the very few EPN operatives who guarded the bomb get noted.
Jeeze Dez, you should be happy you get to be a part of so many events bud. . .smile you and yours are includedHaha, no, you misinterpret me. I enjoyed that event. I'm just sayin' to NightTrace, that that aspect probably won't happen, but, I'm not gonna hold it against Rarebit or anyone, the event was still good.
I've noticed that they seldom mention which players went that extra distance in an event anymore. Sometimes they'll say something like "a special thanks goes out to ________ for ________ the _________ just in the nick of time" but I don't think I've seen that in a while. A shame really, because when a commander or LE character mentions you personally, it feels like, or at least for me it does, that you've really become part of the games story.Meh...they don't do it a *lot*, but, they do it in some cases.
Haigen wrote:If it ticks like a bomb, has to be disarmed like a bomb, it might just be a...
So then I guess sence it sounds like Morpheus and looks like Morpheus it must be Morpheus? Sorta flawed logic concidering the world it all takes place in wouldn't you say.
GamiSB wrote:Nah its principle Miss Haigen. A clock ticks like a bomb, though it never seems to explode.Haigen wrote:If it ticks like a bomb, has to be disarmed like a bomb, it might just be a...
So then I guess sence it sounds like Morpheus and looks like Morpheus it must be Morpheus? Sorta flawed logic concidering the world it all takes place in wouldn't you say.
No. You're comparing apples to a poorly produced hologram of an orange that was thrown out a long time ago.
Nah its principle Mr Haigen. A clock ticks like a bomb, though it never seems to explode.It's miss.... *cough*
Havocide wrote:To be honest, i could'nt care less. A Cypherite is a Cypherite and thats that. Regardless its been amended. Thanks for letting me know.Nah its principle Mr Haigen. A clock ticks like a bomb, though it never seems to explode.It's miss.... *cough*
Pyraci wrote:Havocide wrote:To be honest, i could'nt care less. A Cypherite is a Cypherite and thats that. Regardless its been amended. Thanks for letting me know.Nah its principle Mr Haigen. A clock ticks like a bomb, though it never seems to explode.It's miss.... *cough*
GamiSB wrote:Haigen wrote:If it ticks like a bomb, has to be disarmed like a bomb, it might just be a...
So then I guess sence it sounds like Morpheus and looks like Morpheus it must be Morpheus? Sorta flawed logic concidering the world it all takes place in wouldn't you say.
No. You're comparing apples to a poorly produced hologram of an orange that was thrown out a long time ago.
And your comparing a intel gathering device with an explosive. As you said apples and oranges but the analogy still fits.
I treat all of my enemys with the same lack of respect they show towards the things I hold dear. Human life, the Truce, every day that I jack in, I find myself gritting my teeth, fighting through the same hordes of unthinking crude would be soldiers.
EPN, Cypherites, Mervs [Exile and Human operatives], and even many who claim to be the proud sons and daughters of Zion. They are all only another obsticle that must be overcome.
A bomb vs a CPD? A bomb is inheriently more directly dangerous to the blues. A CPD more so towards the system. I've said it before, a CPD is only a delivery system. So far, EPN has only used CPDs to launch crude info gathering operations. A few data paths get ripped apart, they could care less. However that is an act of hostility, and will be treated as such. I am not saying your wish to see a dead mans message is on the same direct danger level of a code bomb, but I will let you know now and forver, that either one will result in me taking up arms against you.
Not every member of EPN is a total moron, despite what I might say about them, sooner or later their use of CPDs to try and gather information will change, and the CPDs will be used as the delivery platforms for more weaponized coding.
That is why their usage will be stomped out now, before they get any "bright ideas"
-Trace
I treat all of my enemys with the same lack of respect they show towards the things I hold dear. Human life, the Truce, every day that I jack in, I find myself gritting my teeth, fighting through the same hordes of unthinking crude would be soldiers.
EPN, Cypherites, Mervs [Exile and Human operatives], and even many who claim to be the proud sons and daughters of Zion. They are all only another obsticle that must be overcome.
A bomb vs a CPD? A bomb is inheriently more directly dangerous to the blues. A CPD more so towards the system. I've said it before, a CPD is only a delivery system. So far, EPN has only used CPDs to launch crude info gathering operations. A few data paths get ripped apart, they could care less. However that is an act of hostility, and will be treated as such. I am not saying your wish to see a dead mans message is on the same direct danger level of a code bomb, but I will let you know now and forver, that either one will result in me taking up arms against you.
Not every member of EPN is a total moron, despite what I might say about them, sooner or later their use of CPDs to try and gather information will change, and the CPDs will be used as the delivery platforms for more weaponized coding.
That is why their usage will be stomped out now, before they get any "bright ideas"
-Trace
Pyraci, man, I thought you'd know by now: EPN deals mostly in generalisations. Infact, they're pretty much based on a stereotype, so you might find that your calls fall on deaf ears.
- Tranta
A clock may tick but its not designed to detonate, like an explosive. Despite the clear difference in target, Code Bombs and Code Pulse Devices share the same principle of systemic disruption. You can call it an apple pie if you wish to but I still consider it very much of a bomb.
The same applies to these convenient broadcasts that have been uncovered. You may see a hero looking for help, whereas I only see a ruse.
Sweet dreams,
Haigen
Oh yeah I'm sorry. I forgot that after what, five or six months that we have been useing these things that there have just be so many cases where they have torn the system to shreads and done so much damage to it. Alas I can't seem to find any notes on that so if you could please direct me to somewhere that I can find this mountiain of evidence that CPDs hurt the system I would be in your debt.
But ya have to wonder now. If these things are so bad why are the Machines useing them in there own playground?
Oh yeah I'm sorry. I forgot that after what, five or six months that we have been useing these things that there have just be so many cases where they have torn the system to shreads and done so much damage to it. Alas I can't seem to find any notes on that so if you could please direct me to somewhere that I can find this mountiain of evidence that CPDs hurt the system I would be in your debt.
But ya have to wonder now. If these things are so bad why are the Machines useing them in there own playground?
*cough* That was a response test for Machininst operatives to see how we operated when faced with a random terrorist situation. In fact, this particular scenario was actually designed by the Tetragrammaton and was only one of several options that were submitted to Agent Gray.
Agent Gray: "Had this been an actual terrorist threat rather than an exercise, hundreds of citizens might have perished."
Looks like a CPD and has to be defused as a CPD must be a...
Test or not doesn't change the fact that CPDs were used. Infact it only prove my point that they are so harmless that yoru own orgnazation would use them in a drill.
Looks like a CPD and has to be defused as a CPD must be a...
Test or not doesn't change the fact that CPDs were used. Infact it only prove my point that they are so harmless that yoru own orgnazation would use them in a drill.
Your taking a training exercise for its face value. A simulated CPD use was used to test Machinist responce times to various factors including information gathering/planning/execution times. The training program did not use an actual CPD, but rather a simulated varient. It was a fake, designed to feel like the real thing, like all good training programs should. You cannot claim that the machinist using a simulated training exercise shows the inherent "non-dangerous" nature of something, when it was not a legitiment CPD being used. A misunderstanding on your part, I'm sure.
Zeissman wrote:
Oh, but NightTrace, not everyone is as quick as you to jump to the conclusion of massive weapons delivery.
This is true, but better to prepare for the worst, especially when I'm speaking of your misguided children. To many times they have shown themselves more then willing to sacrifice the lives of blues in the name of what they -beleive- to be a dead mans will. How long before they switch stances to a more militent view ala Morpheus and the idea sparks in their minds to use these CPDs as the delivery system for a simulation wide attack on core code streams, communications nodes etc? What if no one had thought of it before, and we had no plans in place? Now, we will have no such moment. Any CPD use, intent not important, will be treated as an open act of aggression and met with force.
Zeissman wrote:
I promise you, it is that exact line of thought... "preventative measures via overkill" that started this war in the first place, when the first massive agressions were launched against the Machines by mankind in "self-defense, before they got any 'bright ideas.'"
There is a difference between preventative measures via overkill and what I have publicly stated. Preventative measures via overkill would be faking a Morpheus broadcast so that we could lure Mr Chandler to the area, shut down all exits in the area, and have a three man team of Agents deal with him once and for all, kill code ammo and all. Meanwhile, an entire squad of Security Troopers would swarm the area and lay down suppresive fire onto the other gathered EPN, and force the popping of EJPs on the entire crowd.
Zeissman wrote:
Somehow I thought you were smarter than that. Remember, if you destroy a nation, that nation will never rise against you... but if your own nation encounters a plague, the nation you destroyed may have had the vaccine.
And if you allow radicals to take military actions against you in your own country with out responce, then you will fail as a nation.
GamiSB wrote:Looks like a CPD and has to be defused as a CPD must be a...
Test or not doesn't change the fact that CPDs were used. Infact it only prove my point that they are so harmless that yoru own orgnazation would use them in a drill.
Your taking a training exercise for its face value. A simulated CPD use was used to test Machinist responce times to various factors including information gathering/planning/execution times. The training program did not use an actual CPD, but rather a simulated varient. It was a fake, designed to feel like the real thing, like all good training programs should. You cannot claim that the machinist using a simulated training exercise shows the inherent "non-dangerous" nature of something, when it was not a legitiment CPD being used. A misunderstanding on your part, I'm sure.
Show me exactly where it says the CPDs were simulated. Gray says it was a training excersise yes but not that the devices used were not real CPDs.
It was made clear on private Syntax Machinist channels, to which you don't have access. You'll just have to take our word for it - or use common sense. You do have that, right?Show me exactly where it says the CPDs were simulated. Gray says it was a training excersise yes but not that the devices used were not real CPDs.
GamiSB wrote:I'd be willing to take your word for it if it wasn't for your organizations tendency to ask that only later to have it revealed that they were lieing. Common sence says that unless you can prove that they were simulated then they wern't. After all looks like a CPD, defuses like a CPD...Show me exactly where it says the CPDs were simulated. Gray says it was a training excersise yes but not that the devices used were not real CPDs.
It was made clear on private Syntax Machinist channels, to which you don't have access. You'll just have to take our word for it - or use common sense. You do have that, right?
Not my statment and actully I was the first on this thread to point out just that. This whole argument was mostly just a round about way to prove it and that just because a CPD looks and acts like a bomb doesn't mean that it is.
But really I have stoped careing wether or not the Machines like our code pulse devices and untill they can give a real reason why we shouldn't use them then that stance wont change. Call them code bombs call them whatever but untill you can back up your statment expect us to keep calling you out on it.
*edit*
Now that I think about it a bit further, the very fact that nothing is what it is means that we all SHOULD question, should be sceptic, and should never take anythig as it is unless prove to be that.
Willingness to hand out code bombs and CPDs? What are you talking about?
First off while we do make them we don't make them in bulk. There isnt a Walmart for CPDs and it cost alot of info and resources to make and compile the code.
Second every CPD to be used Im sure has to be cleared by Michael himself seeings as every time one has been set off he or shimada have been there to inform everyone on it. I know a few people who have requested permision to obtain one but every such case has been denied.
Thrid TaeCross' source has never been found so unless you have some sort of proof that says he was given the code bombs by Michael then I would kindly ask that you refrane from make such statements that have no shread credibility within them.
Lastly they copy data. They don't bring back the dead.
You didnt quite catch my sarcasim. When I say they've been used to bring "Morpheus back from the Dead", that is sarcasim.
They dont copy data either, they have been used to bring old data back to the "top of the pile" so to speak. So -far- that is what they have been used for.
Was replying to Zippy's comment about bringing back the Assassin and actully you would be incorrect in saying they do not copy. Well so am I because it simply just reads and transmits. Some things can be sent straight to the HvCFT but other only make it as far as the surface of the Matrix.
And it isn't there only use as EPN has used them for other operations such as the one Pigeon mentiond as well as being able to transmit to us data from highly secured mainframes.
Pyraci, man, I thought you'd know by now: EPN deals mostly in generalisations. Infact, they're pretty much based on a stereotype, so you might find that your calls fall on deaf ears.
- Tranta
And that, my friends, is the pot calling the kettle black.
I guess by now my dislike of both EPN and the Cypherite movement is apparant, it should be anyway.
I have watched both factions push towards there respective goals, and not get very far. What have you really done to achieve reinsertion, Cypherites? Or making blue red, EPN? Let's not forget the fact that you are also violating the free will of humanity by forcing them to either go back to sleep or wake up.
In a way, you are very much alike, just that your goals are in exact opposition of one another, and that you have no effing clue as to how to really achieve your goals, if what you say is your goal really is.
also, and this is just a personal pet peeve, I do not trust the controls of these factions in the hands that they are in. You have one woman who is nothing more than a sociopath, who ironically hasn't really said much on the matter of reinsertion, she just seems to want to kill people. You also have a Kid who just seems to be winging it...err...in Neo's name. Let me remind you of what Neo's last words on this earth were:
"Peace"
Keep that in mind
Anyone who is still around after what happened to Cryptos is just proving 99% of the stereotypes true. Veil isn't a dreamer, just a cold-blooded murderer, and, in fact, one of the worst I've seen. She's like Anome for the awakened...Pyraci, man, I thought you'd know by now: EPN deals mostly in generalisations. Infact, they're pretty much based on a stereotype, so you might find that your calls fall on deaf ears.
- Tranta
Here's a fun concept for people to get their heads around.
Machines, Cyph's, we at EPN are your ENEMY. Thus, we do things you don't like and I have no idea why any of our members feel the need to justify that to you.
So, if you don't like it, stop crying and do something about it. Like Veil did here.
Here's a fun concept for people to get their heads around.
Machines, Cyph's, we at EPN are your ENEMY. Thus, we do things you don't like and I have no idea why any of our members feel the need to justify that to you.
So, if you don't like it, stop crying and do something about it. Like Veil did here.
For as long as EPN continue to threaten the stability of the Matrix with CPD or any other Bombs The Cypherite's, Especially Exigence will be there
to shove them right back in your ...... ummm Rear End..
Now them's fighting words. Thats what I like to hear.
