[7.2.4] Just as cozy as cats - Recursion - 5/10/07

Eh... Hypocracy afoot, eh? Well, lemme just throw a few ideas around--for my own benefit really, you'll shoot them down with some verbal tripe at any rate--and see if we can't find a peacefu.... less violent conclusion.

All of you, regardless of Organisation, don't know Jack about Veil. You see a front, a facade. You see what we want you to see. You following me here? You don't know what Veil's actually thinking, or what we're doing under the surface. And it's under the surface that we work best.

But likewise, I don't claim to know a whole lot about Niobe, or Ghost, or the Merovingian, even The bed wetting teen team's beyond my understanding. Hell, I bet even Agent Gray has a few sordid hands, so maybe my previous comment was a little hasty. But do you see what I'm getting at? Not everything is out in the open, despite this fancy public Data Node thing. Speaking candidly doesn't mean squat.

So stereotype and call me a hypocrite all you want, but by countering what I said, you're all as ignorant as you perceive me to be.

Rest easy,

-Tranta

Eh... Hypocracy afoot, eh? Well, lemme just throw a few ideas around--for my own benefit really, you'll shoot them down with some verbal tripe at any rate--and see if we can't find a peacefu.... less violent conclusion.

All of you, regardless of Organisation, don't know Jack about Veil. You see a front, a facade. You see what we want you to see. You following me here? You don't know what Veil's actually thinking, or what we're doing under the surface. And it's under the surface that we work best.

But likewise, I don't claim to know a whole lot about Niobe, or Ghost, or the Merovingian, even The bed wetting teen team's beyond my understanding. Hell, I bet even Agent Gray has a few sordid hands, so maybe my previous comment was a little hasty. But do you see what I'm getting at? Not everything is out in the open, despite this fancy public Data Node thing. Speaking candidly doesn't mean squat.

So stereotype and call me a hypocrite all you want, but by countering what I said, you're all as ignorant as you perceive me to be.

Rest easy,

-Tranta

I know all I need to know about Veil.

And when she killed Vashuo, she declared war on Zion.

To back that up, she has shown no remorse, and has continued campaigns of slaughter and violence against Zion. Let's not forget Captain Davot and his crew, and, of course, what you bastards did with their ship after you killed them.

You'll never have peace with that witch amongst you. I'll make sure of that.

I didn't ask for peace, man, I asked for understanding. I got neither. So be it.

Eh... I'd say trust came with understanding, not the other way around. It'd be pretty damm stupid to trust something you didn't fully understand.

- Tranta

I didn't ask for peace, man, I asked for understanding. I got neither. So be it.

How are we supposed to understand the murder of innocents?

The ends do not justify the means, no matter which way you look at it.

Eh... I'd say trust came with understanding, not the other way around. It'd be pretty damm stupid to trust something you didn't fully understand.

- Tranta

Very nice:

 Not so nice:

 But good job to everyone on stopping the terrorist/cultist scum!

Very nice:

Doves in the Air, Chick carrying two guns...

Gimme a brownie

I guess while I'm hear I might as well jump back into the convo...

Tranta, help us understand you then. What is the Cypherites goal? , and what is it exactly that they are doing to achieve that goal?

Eh... there's a time and a place for my personal beliefs, man. Some other time, eh?

- Tranta

So, if you don't like it, stop crying and do something about it.  Like Veil did here.

...It's no secret what the Cypherites want. They just like to dance around the truth.
Pretend they have some secret agenda, some higher calling that's so much nobler than their real cause.

    We all know what their real cause is.
Killing innocents. Killing crews. Killing anyone else they brand as a threat to their goals, which usually just happens to be more killing.
They want to destroy Zion, and kill all other red pills, regardless of affiliation. And some of them aren't shy about it.
Of course, that's never going to happen. I'll make sure of it if the thousands of others don't.

Eh... there's a time and a place for my personal beliefs, man. Some other time, eh?

- Tranta

I rest my case. Thanks for playing

oh, and Ebola, when Veil sent that hovership to crash into the docks, did you guys all think the wreckage would just miracle itself around the civillians?

Murder doesn't get you what you want, it only makes the other sides mad.

Tranta wrote:

Murder doesn't get you what you want, it only makes the other sides mad.

Tranta wrote:

Eh... there's a time and a place for my personal beliefs, man. Some other time, eh?

- Tranta

I rest my case. Thanks for playing

oh, and Ebola, when Veil sent that hovership to crash into the docks, did you guys all think the wreckage would just miracle itself around the civillians?

Murder doesn't get you what you want, it only makes the other sides mad.

Sixerz wrote:

Reported for sucking at life.

Ironic.

Stop spamming Live Event threads please.

Shadow Griever wrote:

Tranta wrote:

Eh... there's a time and a place for my personal beliefs, man. Some other time, eh?

- Tranta

I rest my case. Thanks for playing

oh, and Ebola, when Veil sent that hovership to crash into the docks, did you guys all think the wreckage would just miracle itself around the civillians?

Murder doesn't get you what you want, it only makes the other sides mad.

You obvously have a very limited world history as the murder(or assassination in this case) of one person was the spark of the first world war. No I believe murder can get you exactly what you want if you know how to use it.

Skill wrote:

...It's no secret what the Cypherites want. They just like to dance around the truth.
Pretend they have some secret agenda, some higher calling that's so much nobler than their real cause.

    We all know what their real cause is.
Killing innocents. Killing crews. Killing anyone else they brand as a threat to their goals, which usually just happens to be more killing.
They want to destroy Zion, and kill all other red pills, regardless of affiliation. And some of them aren't shy about it.
Of course, that's never going to happen. I'll make sure of it if the thousands of others don't.

Killing innocents? We've only hit military targets in and out of the Matrix. Its a war, people die... get used to it, its only going to get worse.

Shadow Griever wrote:

Tranta wrote:

Eh... there's a time and a place for my personal beliefs, man. Some other time, eh?

- Tranta

I rest my case. Thanks for playing

oh, and Ebola, when Veil sent that hovership to crash into the docks, did you guys all think the wreckage would just miracle itself around the civillians?

Murder doesn't get you what you want, it only makes the other sides mad.

I've always seen assassination as an elimination of a singular, powerful entity. MLK, Malcolm X, JFK, RFK, John Lennon, Medgar Evers, Ghandi, they were assassinated. Who are you assassinating?

Oh, WWI, if I recall, roughly ten million soldiers died in that war, all because one Archduke got popped by an Bosnian Serb who wanted freedom for his people from the Austrian-Hungry Empire. Soon though, it turned into a complete balls up, and Sarajevo and Ferdinand were barely memories. Ten Million dead because of one dead Archduke.

That my friend is a waste

And in case anyone is keeping score, no one has answered exactly how this gets them back in the pods, or if that is no longer the case, what is their goal?

GamiSB wrote:

Shadow Griever wrote:

Tranta wrote:

Eh... there's a time and a place for my personal beliefs, man. Some other time, eh?

- Tranta

I rest my case. Thanks for playing

oh, and Ebola, when Veil sent that hovership to crash into the docks, did you guys all think the wreckage would just miracle itself around the civillians?

Murder doesn't get you what you want, it only makes the other sides mad.

You obvously have a very limited world history as the murder(or assassination in this case) of one person was the spark of the first world war. No I believe murder can get you exactly what you want if you know how to use it.

I've always seen assassination as an elimination of a singular entity. MLK, Malcolm X, JFK, RFK, John Lennon, Medgar Evers, Ghandi, they were assassinated.

Oh, WWI, if I recall, roughly ten million soldiers died in that war, all because one Archduke got popped by an Bosnian Serb who wanted freedom for his people from the Austrian-Hungry Empire. Soon though, it turned into a complete balls up, and Sarajevo and Ferdinand were barely memories. Ten Million dead because of one dead Archduke.

That my friend is a waste

And in case anyone is keeping score, no one has answered exactly how this gets them back in the pods, or if that is no longer the case, what is their goal?

A waste maybe but none the less that one murder created a way for someone else to attempt at getting what they wanted. Yes it was a gamble but war always is. You either win it all or loose it and as I said it can get you exactly what you want if you know how to use it.

As for your last statment that is very true and i doubt they have a reason for it. Also I guess for all "politcal" reasons I should state that while I believe murder, war, and anything associated with death of a person or peoples can be a means to get what you want I am in no way saying that it should be used in an effort to do so.

Shadow Griever wrote:

GamiSB wrote:

Shadow Griever wrote:

Tranta wrote:

Eh... there's a time and a place for my personal beliefs, man. Some other time, eh?

- Tranta

I rest my case. Thanks for playing

oh, and Ebola, when Veil sent that hovership to crash into the docks, did you guys all think the wreckage would just miracle itself around the civillians?

Murder doesn't get you what you want, it only makes the other sides mad.

You obvously have a very limited world history as the murder(or assassination in this case) of one person was the spark of the first world war. No I believe murder can get you exactly what you want if you know how to use it.

I've always seen assassination as an elimination of a singular entity. MLK, Malcolm X, JFK, RFK, John Lennon, Medgar Evers, Ghandi, they were assassinated.

Oh, WWI, if I recall, roughly ten million soldiers died in that war, all because one Archduke got popped by an Bosnian Serb who wanted freedom for his people from the Austrian-Hungry Empire. Soon though, it turned into a complete balls up, and Sarajevo and Ferdinand were barely memories. Ten Million dead because of one dead Archduke.

That my friend is a waste

And in case anyone is keeping score, no one has answered exactly how this gets them back in the pods, or if that is no longer the case, what is their goal?

A waste maybe but none the less that one murder created a way for someone else to attempt at getting what they wanted. Yes it was a gamble but war always is. You either win it all or loose it and as I said it can get you exactly what you want if you know how to use it.

As for your last statment that is very true and i doubt they have a reason for it. Also I guess for all "politcal" reasons I should state that while I believe murder, war, and anything associated with death of a person or peoples can be a means to get what you want I am in no way saying that it should be used in an effort to do so.

GamiSB wrote:

Shadow Griever wrote:

GamiSB wrote:

Shadow Griever wrote:

Tranta wrote:

Eh... there's a time and a place for my personal beliefs, man. Some other time, eh?

- Tranta

I rest my case. Thanks for playing

oh, and Ebola, when Veil sent that hovership to crash into the docks, did you guys all think the wreckage would just miracle itself around the civillians?

Murder doesn't get you what you want, it only makes the other sides mad.

You obvously have a very limited world history as the murder(or assassination in this case) of one person was the spark of the first world war. No I believe murder can get you exactly what you want if you know how to use it.

I've always seen assassination as an elimination of a singular entity. MLK, Malcolm X, JFK, RFK, John Lennon, Medgar Evers, Ghandi, they were assassinated.

Oh, WWI, if I recall, roughly ten million soldiers died in that war, all because one Archduke got popped by an Bosnian Serb who wanted freedom for his people from the Austrian-Hungry Empire. Soon though, it turned into a complete balls up, and Sarajevo and Ferdinand were barely memories. Ten Million dead because of one dead Archduke.

That my friend is a waste

And in case anyone is keeping score, no one has answered exactly how this gets them back in the pods, or if that is no longer the case, what is their goal?

A waste maybe but none the less that one murder created a way for someone else to attempt at getting what they wanted. Yes it was a gamble but war always is. You either win it all or loose it and as I said it can get you exactly what you want if you know how to use it.

As for your last statment that is very true and i doubt they have a reason for it. Also I guess for all "politcal" reasons I should state that while I believe murder, war, and anything associated with death of a person or peoples can be a means to get what you want I am in no way saying that it should be used in an effort to do so.

I think you misinturpreted my argument. I was never argueing that murder is right. I am very much aware that it is being used as an effort to gain something and being EPN am sure I've seen more of it from the Cypherite then Zion has in these past few months.

My argument was in you saying that nothing can be gained in murder, which something can be gained if done so correctly.

Shadow Griever wrote:

GamiSB wrote:

Shadow Griever wrote:

GamiSB wrote:

Shadow Griever wrote:

Tranta wrote:

Eh... there's a time and a place for my personal beliefs, man. Some other time, eh?

- Tranta

I rest my case. Thanks for playing

oh, and Ebola, when Veil sent that hovership to crash into the docks, did you guys all think the wreckage would just miracle itself around the civillians?

Murder doesn't get you what you want, it only makes the other sides mad.

You obvously have a very limited world history as the murder(or assassination in this case) of one person was the spark of the first world war. No I believe murder can get you exactly what you want if you know how to use it.

I've always seen assassination as an elimination of a singular entity. MLK, Malcolm X, JFK, RFK, John Lennon, Medgar Evers, Ghandi, they were assassinated.

Oh, WWI, if I recall, roughly ten million soldiers died in that war, all because one Archduke got popped by an Bosnian Serb who wanted freedom for his people from the Austrian-Hungry Empire. Soon though, it turned into a complete balls up, and Sarajevo and Ferdinand were barely memories. Ten Million dead because of one dead Archduke.

That my friend is a waste

And in case anyone is keeping score, no one has answered exactly how this gets them back in the pods, or if that is no longer the case, what is their goal?

A waste maybe but none the less that one murder created a way for someone else to attempt at getting what they wanted. Yes it was a gamble but war always is. You either win it all or loose it and as I said it can get you exactly what you want if you know how to use it.

As for your last statment that is very true and i doubt they have a reason for it. Also I guess for all "politcal" reasons I should state that while I believe murder, war, and anything associated with death of a person or peoples can be a means to get what you want I am in no way saying that it should be used in an effort to do so.

It's being used in an effort to do so...

I think you misinturpreted my argument. I was never argueing that murder is right. I am very much aware that it is being used as an effort to gain something and being EPN am sure I've seen more of it from the Cypherite then Zion has in these past few months.

My argument was in you saying that nothing can be gained in murder, which something can be gained if done so correctly.

Shadow Griever wrote:

Tranta wrote:

Eh... there's a time and a place for my personal beliefs, man. Some other time, eh?

- Tranta

I rest my case. Thanks for playing

oh, and Ebola, when Veil sent that hovership to crash into the docks, did you guys all think the wreckage would just miracle itself around the civillians?

Murder doesn't get you what you want, it only makes the other sides mad.

You obvously have a very limited world history as the murder(or assassination in this case) of one person was the spark of the first world war. No I believe murder can get you exactly what you want if you know how to use it.

What?! Come on! The First World War was catalysed by the Assassination of Franz Ferdinand, but if the two alliances hadn't been p*ssing each other off for nearly 2 decades beforehand, then there may never have been an assassination, let alone a goddam war.

Man! And you people wonder why we stereotype EPN, when people like GamiSB represent you and your knowledge of 'World History'... Eesh.

And Greiver, if you think that my not wanting to discuss beleifs that I have shared with others on a public relay node 'loses' this little tiff, then you're as shallow as Gami thinks. Catch me in the Matrix sometime, and we'll talk it over.

- Tranta.

Killing innocents? We've only hit military targets in and out of the Matrix. Its a war, people die... get used to it, its only going to get worse.

We kill to protect those that sleep.  We kill to allow them an uninterrupted dream of bliss.  We kill and kill and will continue to kill whether it pleases you or not.  Call it a crusade, campaign, war, noble cause or anything else that comforts you but in the end we won't hesitate to pull the trigger.

We are cypherites and your life means nothing to us.  Get in our way and we'll take it from you.

We kill to protect those that sleep.  We kill to allow them an uninterrupted dream of bliss.  We kill and kill and will continue to kill whether it pleases you or not.  Call it a crusade, campaign, war, noble cause or anything else that comforts you but in the end we won't hesitate to pull the trigger.

We are cypherites and your life means nothing to us.  Get in our way and we'll take it from you.

We kill to protect those that sleep.  We kill to allow them an uninterrupted dream of bliss.  We kill and kill and will continue to kill whether it pleases you or not.  Call it a crusade, campaign, war, noble cause or anything else that comforts you but in the end we won't hesitate to pull the trigger.

We are cypherites and your life means nothing to us.  Get in our way and we'll take it from you.

We kill to protect those that sleep.  We kill to allow them an uninterrupted dream of bliss.  We kill and kill and will continue to kill whether it pleases you or not.  Call it a crusade, campaign, war, noble cause or anything else that comforts you but in the end we won't hesitate to pull the trigger.

We are cypherites and your life means nothing to us.  Get in our way and we'll take it from you.

GamiSB wrote:

Shadow Griever wrote:

Tranta wrote:

Eh... there's a time and a place for my personal beliefs, man. Some other time, eh?

- Tranta

I rest my case. Thanks for playing

oh, and Ebola, when Veil sent that hovership to crash into the docks, did you guys all think the wreckage would just miracle itself around the civillians?

Murder doesn't get you what you want, it only makes the other sides mad.

You obvously have a very limited world history as the murder(or assassination in this case) of one person was the spark of the first world war. No I believe murder can get you exactly what you want if you know how to use it.

What?! Come on! The First World War was catalysed by the Assassination of Franz Ferdinand, but if the two alliances hadn't been p*ssing each other off for nearly 2 decades beforehand, then there may never have been an assassination, let alone a goddam war.

Man! And you people wonder why we stereotype EPN, when people like GamiSB represent you and your knowledge of 'World History'... Eesh.

And Greiver, if you think that my not wanting to discuss beleifs that I have shared with others on a public relay node 'loses' this little tiff, then you're as shallow as Gami thinks. Catch me in the Matrix sometime, and we'll talk it over.

- Tranta.

You missed the point interitly. Someone took a murder and tried to gain something from it. Thus you can use murder for gain. That was the point.

We are cypherites and your life means nothing to us.  Get in our way and we'll take it from you.

I'm sorry we disappointed you.  Ok, well maybe that's a lie.  The fact of the matter is, is that we don't have to justify ourselves or our actions to you or to anyone else.

Sweet dreams, rent-a-cop.

Heh well said Haigen, rent-a-cops dont understand what it is we do. Assume...accuse.. do whatever, just keep your bagde shiny and move on, bub.

We kill to protect those that sleep.  We kill to allow them an uninterrupted dream of bliss.  We kill and kill and will continue to kill whether it pleases you or not.  Call it a crusade, campaign, war, noble cause or anything else that comforts you but in the end we won't hesitate to pull the trigger.

NiChO wrote:

Heh well said Haigen, rent-a-cops dont understand what it is we do. Assume...accuse.. do whatever, just keep your bagde shiny and move on, bub.

Don't understand, eh?

Haigen wrote:

We kill to protect those that sleep.  We kill to allow them an uninterrupted dream of bliss.  We kill and kill and will continue to kill whether it pleases you or not.  Call it a crusade, campaign, war, noble cause or anything else that comforts you but in the end we won't hesitate to pull the trigger.

No, I'd say that's pretty clear.