Orgs vs. Splinter Orgs

23 posts · 2006-08-20 09:10:26 to 2007-03-08 11:17:14

#36300029836 08/20/2006 09:10:26 Orgs vs. Splinter Orgs

I'm sure this topic has been brought up before, but the recent code bombing and such makes it an even more important matter. PvP really needs to be sort of...Truce vs. Non-Truce. As in machines being able to attack Cypherites, and Zionites being able to attack EPN. I'm not saying they have to have their own org with their own missions and such, I'm just saying for at least during pvp, The splinter orgs should flag for everyone.

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#36300029880 08/20/2006 11:14:04 Re:Orgs vs. Splinter Orgs
EVERYONE should flag for EVERYONE
#36300029929 08/20/2006 13:10:23 Re:Orgs vs. Splinter Orgs
 I totally agree.
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#36300030246 08/21/2006 05:12:05 Re:Orgs vs. Splinter Orgs
Regulus wrote:
EVERYONE should flag for EVERYONE


I'd like to think that could work, sadly in an environment where the lowest common denominator can ruin anything and everything I just see chaos...... At the moment there is no consequence to either death or killing, therefore we are totally reliant on the individual to 'behave appropriately'....lets have real consequences that make you consider your actions and then yeah I'm all for this idea.

In the meantime I do think allowing the splinter orgs a distinct pvp status makes a lot of sense....cyphs have more in common with Merovs than machines I just can't see the well ordered machines tolerating the more extreme behaviour of cyph or EPN. And EPN should find out just how isolated their purile aims makes them.

#36300030518 08/21/2006 15:03:13 Re:Orgs vs. Splinter Orgs
Regulus wrote:
EVERYONE should flag for EVERYONE

Amen brother!!
#36300031236 08/22/2006 14:22:33 Re:Orgs vs. Splinter Orgs
Tytanya's right, though. People would end up shooting their own orgs out of boredom.
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#36300031307 08/22/2006 15:44:16 Re:Orgs vs. Splinter Orgs
Then let it be so. SMILEY Another boost to the Mervs for having unnnniiityyyyyyy.



#36300040487 09/03/2006 20:04:38 Re:Orgs vs. Splinter Orgs
Strongly support. I can't wait till the day that Zion doesnt adress EPN as "Fellow" Zionites. I'm also shocked that many don't understand that EPN is NOT part of Zion. They are fanatic traitors and nutcases. They've been stealing ships and hijacking them. Therefore offensive measures should be taken. :/
#36300042943 09/06/2006 18:21:17 Re:Orgs vs. Splinter Orgs
I wonder how hard it would be to implement an "Always flagged to X player list." Similar to the ignore list, however, if you place someone on the list, you appear flagged to them and only them. Your own org, other orgs, whatever. That way, you wouldn't have to worry about "IRNeo111PWNTBICH" being the lowest common denominator.
#36300043145 09/07/2006 01:13:57 Re:Orgs vs. Splinter Orgs

I always thought a faction war panel would be the best way to go, ala Eve Online.

Have a panel where a faction leader can declare war on another faction.  The faction leader of the opposing faction receives a war declaration, and can choose to accept it or deny it.  If accepted, those two factions would flag against each other, regardless of organization.  You could also declare alliances.  Truces would be much easier to uphold that way.  Imagine, zdn1, if in PvP, there was a way to make it so that The Trust and the Mega City Department of Energy didn't flag up to each other.

But yeah...  if anything, Cypherites and E Pluribus Neo REALLY need to be flaggable to the other orgs.  It would really make the pvp in this game all the more exciting.

#36300168829 02/17/2007 20:49:42 Re:Orgs vs. Splinter Orgs
Erm... you realize that there are... mmm... like 4 Cypherite 50s (and Kerevola) on Recursion, right?
#36300168863 02/17/2007 22:53:25 Re:Orgs vs. Splinter Orgs
Excuse me, last time I checked I count for about 10.
#36300168886 02/17/2007 23:38:11 Re:Orgs vs. Splinter Orgs
There's an official response to this somewhere. Much like alot of other things, it can't be done. Takes far too much to make an org.
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#36300169113 02/18/2007 09:25:33 Re:Orgs vs. Splinter Orgs

But if they can org lock a building so that only Cypherites can enter (as was done a few days ago on Recursion), shouldn't it be possible to make a Cyph (or EPN) flag to anyone not a Cyph (or EPN)?

Illyria

#36300169155 02/18/2007 10:10:46 Re:Orgs vs. Splinter Orgs
Illyria22 wrote:

But if they can org lock a building so that only Cypherites can enter (as was done a few days ago on Recursion), shouldn't it be possible to make a Cyph (or EPN) flag to anyone not a Cyph (or EPN)?

Illyria


Specifically, there's other things tied to how you flag that are far too integrated to be altered. Such as missioning, reputation, etc.

Currently, the CYPH tag falls under Machines for missions and reputation. EPN falls under Zion. Changing it so that EPN or CYPH flags to their parent orgs would mean that they're no longer in those parent orgs -- as the game wouldn't make sense of it. Now you need two more Org Controllers -- Shimada and Veil -- and you'd also need new mission contracts for each chapter. So instead of an update every 1.5 months or so, it'd be every 3 months. I don't want four updates in a year.

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#36300175720 02/27/2007 12:42:19 Re:Orgs vs. Splinter Orgs
How about an ability (from the bluepill) that activates and drops either epn or cyph tagged players into a 4th pvp slot for a limited time?
#36300175725 02/27/2007 12:48:52 Re:Orgs vs. Splinter Orgs
It's unfortunate that lack of support for rarebit in terms of writing crits and content means that there is no real way for Cyph's and EPN to become seperate. As w4r said, i'm not sure on the game mechanics accepting the two orgs becoming seperate...but if that is possible, it again falls under the "lack of funding, lack of devs" category.
#36300175762 02/27/2007 13:59:10 Re:Orgs vs. Splinter Orgs
Regulus wrote:
EVERYONE should flag for EVERYONE
QFT!
#36300180151 03/04/2007 21:24:13 Re:Orgs vs. Splinter Orgs
Fen wrote:

I always thought a faction war panel would be the best way to go, ala Eve Online.

Have a panel where a faction leader can declare war on another faction.  The faction leader of the opposing faction receives a war declaration, and can choose to accept it or deny it.  If accepted, those two factions would flag against each other, regardless of organization.  You could also declare alliances.  Truces would be much easier to uphold that way.  Imagine, zdn1, if in PvP, there was a way to make it so that The Trust and the Mega City Department of Energy didn't flag up to each other.

But yeah...  if anything, Cypherites and E Pluribus Neo REALLY need to be flaggable to the other orgs.  It would really make the pvp in this game all the more exciting.

only one thing wrong with that idea ccp's devs > mxo devs. they would never have the time to put that in game, they can barely get the updates out on time.
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#36300182145 03/07/2007 13:45:14 Re:Orgs vs. Splinter Orgs

Just goes to show you how PvP has NOTHING to do with the storyline.

As it is now, Machines can attack EPN and Zion can attack Cypherites. Do you ever see PvP work this way? NO Because no one cares about the storyline in PvP.

Demonstrate to me in PvP that people won't just attack whoever is red. It is possible to do it right now with things the way they are. RPvP takes an intelligent effort and the masses lack intelligence and effort. Flagging everyone isn't going to be any mor RPvP than it is now cause peeps just don't care.

Zion and the Machines have a truce. There is no reason for Zionites and Machininsts to be fighting, EVER. The common enemy is the Merovingian. It's pretty simple yet all anyone cares about is finding more peeps to gank.

They way it should be is anyone without an org should flag to everyone and EPN and Cypherites should not have any Org status. Zionites and Machininsts should not flag to each other.

I can hear the crying already...

#36300182589 03/08/2007 02:28:20 Re:Orgs vs. Splinter Orgs
Fen wrote:

I always thought a faction war panel would be the best way to go, ala Eve Online.

Have a panel where a faction leader can declare war on another faction.  The faction leader of the opposing faction receives a war declaration, and can choose to accept it or deny it.  If accepted, those two factions would flag against each other, regardless of organization.  You could also declare alliances.  Truces would be much easier to uphold that way.  Imagine, zdn1, if in PvP, there was a way to make it so that The Trust and the Mega City Department of Energy didn't flag up to each other.

But yeah...  if anything, Cypherites and E Pluribus Neo REALLY need to be flaggable to the other orgs.  It would really make the pvp in this game all the more exciting.


Love this idea. Should be implemented and Fen should be appointed Mayor of Mega City.
#36300182753 03/08/2007 08:42:52 Re:Orgs vs. Splinter Orgs
The%2BCommissioner wrote:

Love this idea. Should be implemented and Fen should be appointed Mayor of Mega City.
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#36300182887 03/08/2007 11:17:14 Re:Orgs vs. Splinter Orgs
Shi+Xin+Feng wrote:
The%2BCommissioner wrote:

Love this idea. Should be implemented and Fen should be appointed Mayor of Mega City.
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