COULD Trinity have been pregnant?

#11200003735 04/05/2006 07:05:50 COULD Trinity have been pregnant?

(Yes I searched the forums before posting this)

Remember that certain scene in Reloaded? I bet you do.

Remember how Trinity's body has never been returned? I bet you do.

Remember that her corpse was left in a 31st century technology city? I bet you do.

Do you think if she was pregnant that the baby(ies) could've been saved? I do.

~Discuss~

#11200003736 04/05/2006 07:16:19 Re: COULD Trinity have been pregnant?

Hmm, I remember hearing something that Trinities remains were recycled. But it probly wasn't official from the plot writers. Reguardless, when she died, wasn't there a cable through her stomach right about where her uteris is? Anyone have a picture? I haven't watched Revolutions in a couple weeks -_-

If she was pregnant though, I don't think the machines would have tried to save it. Especially since it would have just been conceived and be no larger then 20 cells. Other then that, yes, I do think it could have been saved.

#11200003737 04/05/2006 07:22:06 Re: COULD Trinity have been pregnant?

Judging by the facts given in the movies, I can say it would be possible for her to be pregnant. However... the amount of real-time that passed between Neo/Trinity and her death was too short to be really meaningful.

If the Machines had retrieved her fetus, they would have done so almost immediately after her death. Given the tactics Sentinels used during Reloaded to take out hovercraft, it seems they really weren't too concerned about new human life, no matter how far along it was.

My verdict: It's a maybe. A big one.

#11200003740 04/05/2006 08:28:50 Re: COULD Trinity have been pregnant?

ZippydaSquirl wrote:
(Yes I searched the forums before posting this)
Remember that certain scene in Reloaded? I bet you do.
Remember how Trinity's body has never been returned? I bet you do.
Remember that her corpse was left in a 31st century technology city? I bet you do.
Do you think if she was pregnant that the baby(ies) could've been saved? I do.
~Discuss~

Could be possible and a good reason Trinity's body wasn't recycled but I don't know.

#11200003741 04/05/2006 09:17:13 Re: COULD Trinity have been pregnant?

Actually, the Assassin said specifically in his memoirs that Trinity was not recycled, and that a project was planned with her corpse.

"Well, whatever it is you're not doing, go don't do it somewhere else."
-A police officer in "Manos" The Hands of Fate

#11200003742 04/05/2006 09:19:27 Re: COULD Trinity have been pregnant?

AprilMay wrote:
Hmm, I remember hearing something that Trinities remains were recycled. But it probly wasn't official from the plot writers.

You're right. It's not. According to the Assassin Memoirs Trinity's body was never recycled as already mentioned and the Assassin would know since he was the guy recycling people. In fact, that's the reason he ended up in the matrix. He was left out of the loop on what the Machine was doing with Trinity's body and saw his own deletion forthcoming. Usurpation of primary functions leads to deletion. Or something like that. I'd have to dig it out of my archives.

As for the metal through her, people have had a chunk of rebar pass right through thier brain and lodge there yet they are fine. Well ... except for a spear of metal through thier head ...

Stranger things have happened in real life...

((I think the metal was higher up than where her uterus would be. More around the area of the stomach and intenstines. Nearer to the breastbone than the pelvic area. I'd have to check to make sure though.))

#11200003743 04/05/2006 09:53:10 Re: COULD Trinity have been pregnant?

It would be interesting if the machines did save her baby if she was pregnant and inserted it into the matrix. That means neo's child is a bluepill in the matrix or maybe he/she has already been freed.

#11200003747 04/05/2006 11:48:26 Re: COULD Trinity have been pregnant?

Uhm the child that Trinity would have given birth to is FREEBORN. No plugs u know. Human body can't make metal. And so he/she wouldnt be able to jack in....ever...(again lol) ...ever...

#11200003748 04/05/2006 13:09:50 Re: COULD Trinity have been pregnant?

Then how did the Machines get their metal into their own products?

#11200003749 04/05/2006 13:50:51 Re: COULD Trinity have been pregnant?

Keep in mind that humans have those plugs since "birth". It would be much easier to implant them in a fetus than in an adult.

#11200003750 04/05/2006 15:24:44 Re: COULD Trinity have been pregnant?

Haelios wrote:
Keep in mind that humans have those plugs since "birth". It would be much easier to implant them in a fetus than in an adult.

Indeed, although I seem to remember a certain scene from Animatrix which doesn't really confirm the Machines' ability to plug them in as free-born. But then that would kill the Birth thread in this board, and I don't really wanna hurt that thread's OP's feelings, so I won't delve into it SMILEY

#11200003753 04/05/2006 15:58:08 Re: COULD Trinity have been pregnant?

I don't know that the child being freborn would be a problem... remember neo being able to affect machines in the real and also managing to separate his mind from his body, putting his mind into the matrix. ... an UBER one

phiAU - The Kings of Never - noblesse oblige

#11200003754 04/05/2006 16:36:48 Re: COULD Trinity have been pregnant?

Now that raises an interesting question....what would the spawn of The One and The Three ( fah, Trinity, you get it) be like? Would we call him/her/them the Four or the Two? Ow, mah brain hurts.

I sense an EPN event...

#11200003756 04/05/2006 18:08:00 Re: COULD Trinity have been pregnant?

I thought Trinity was a guy.

#11200003758 04/05/2006 22:12:03 Re: COULD Trinity have been pregnant?

I doubt it. Unless 9 months passed between the sex scene and Trinity's death, I doubt there was any saved babies.

And personally, I think machines digging into Trinity's womb, installng cranial jacks and so-forth in the fetus, and growing it to do whatever is a little far-fetched. Even for the Wachowski's or Chadwick or Peter Jackson, or whoever is behind this thing now.

#11200003759 04/06/2006 00:24:57 Re: COULD Trinity have been pregnant?

I find it somewhat hard to believe that the scene in Reloaded was the only time Neo and Trinity had sex in the six or so months between the first and second movies.

Though it might also depend on if they wanted to have children at the time. There were more important matters at the time.

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#11200003774 04/06/2006 16:09:44 Re: COULD Trinity have been pregnant?

It is possible, but VERY slightly. Do you really think the machines would have wanted a fetus, especially of the one? They WERE invading Zion at the time, and they probably would have killed it, seeing as how the baby would have had to have been saved within minutes of Trinity's death.

Then again, neo did crazy things, why not his offspring to, eh?

And lol to Krytical.

#11200003783 04/07/2006 09:13:57 Re: COULD Trinity have been pregnant?

The cranial Jacks and all of that I believe are actually installed onto the baby so it can be jacked into the Matrix in the first place as a battery, the Freeborns(Like Lock and What not) Were people born outside of the Matrix AWAY from the Machines and I doubt humans have the technology or the know how to install the plugs.

As for not believing they didn't have Sex from the time between Matrix 1 and Matrix 2 I actually believe they said they didn't in the movie before getting busy...but I can't remember.

Secondly, the one powers aren't hereditary and theres no proof to suggest that they are. The One powers were related in most part to a piece of special code that Neo carried.

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#11200003786 04/07/2006 18:24:17 Re: COULD Trinity have been pregnant?

What makes you think the code isn't hereditary?

#11200003790 04/07/2006 22:54:46 Re: COULD Trinity have been pregnant?

AprilMay wrote:
If she was pregnant though, I don't think the machines would have tried to save it. Especially since it would have just been conceived and be no larger then 20 cells. Other then that, yes, I do think it could have been saved.

Whats the time span between matrix one and two? I dont think that Zion would have any industry in creating safe sex protection (condoms). Really trinity could have gotten pregnant between the span of matrix 1 and 2, how long is it until a woman starts having signs of being with child?

#11200003792 04/08/2006 05:29:05 Re: COULD Trinity have been pregnant?

*cough* Watch Ocean's Twelve. *cough*

#11200003798 04/09/2006 08:07:40 Re: COULD Trinity have been pregnant?

I just watched the scene in question. The bars go on an angle entering about chest level and exiting just below the ribs. A baby wouldn't have been directly effected by the bars, but when you die any baby inside comes out, along with your poop. The machines would have had to work fast.

The only way a child could have survived the impact would be if it were still very small and the uterus wasn't damaged. I have two kids in case you are wondering so I have some experience with babies. SMILEY

#11200003931 04/21/2006 18:49:46 Re: COULD Trinity have been pregnant?

lol, i dont think you can poop your baby out...ever. dead or not lmao. the baby is in no way connected to the poop shoot. unless im an ignoramus. :smileyvery-happy:

#11200003932 04/22/2006 02:26:15 Re: COULD Trinity have been pregnant?

You are.

Then again, I'm not the one with the medical degree.

Then again again, neither is Chadwick, so we can't really know what to expect. :robotindifferent:

...or is it "expect what to expect".....................

...................

SMILEY

#11200003933 04/22/2006 07:06:55 Re: COULD Trinity have been pregnant?

I think Trinity could have been pregnant, and that the baby (if it survived impalment) could be fitted with plugs. remember, the machines had to plug in the first humans into the matrix somehow

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#11200003934 04/22/2006 09:58:18 Re: COULD Trinity have been pregnant?

I didn't mean you poop the baby out.

I meant if you are pregnant and you die labor still happens and the fetis, however far along, is "born". This would mean without immediate medical attention the baby would die. It would still die if development weren't far enough along.

The thing about poop is when you die your bowels also empty themselves, that's all I meant.

So, yes, she could have been pregnant. They had sex. Yes, the fetis could have survived the impact intact. I doubt though that the baby would have been far enough along in development to survive outside the womb long enough to be placed in an artificial womb.

Only the Machines can answer this question fully.

#11200003935 04/22/2006 10:38:41 Re: COULD Trinity have been pregnant?

lol, ok. that makes more sence.

this thread is starting to gross me out though

Message Edited by darkhaze on 04-22-2006 11:39 AM

#11200003936 04/22/2006 17:30:20 Re: COULD Trinity have been pregnant?

minuend wrote:
I doubt though that the baby would have been far enough along in development to survive outside the womb long enough to be placed in an artificial womb.

You seem to miss the point of a MACHINE city. It's all, glowing blue, and stuff. Cities aren't supposed to glow blue until at least the 24th century! Or something. I was never really good at psychictry.

#11200003937 04/22/2006 17:41:43 Re: COULD Trinity have been pregnant?

whats psychictry.

#11200003940 04/23/2006 03:34:43 Re: COULD Trinity have been pregnant?

You know...psychtictry....the one where you're psychic...

......you know?

#11200003942 04/23/2006 05:38:52 Re: COULD Trinity have been pregnant?

ahhhh..ok

by the way answer your door. you got a package.

#11200003947 04/23/2006 15:45:10 Re: COULD Trinity have been pregnant?

I wish she could come back.. :smileysad:

#11200004002 04/25/2006 06:53:19 Re: COULD Trinity have been pregnant?

The time between sexxoring and annihilation of the Logos was a matter of hours. There would barely be a baby to save.
If she was pregnant before that, she would never have left Zion for Reloaded/Revolutions - nobody who is carrying a child is going to put themselves in the way of death.

I think the Trinity-baby angle is one of the more far-fetched theories that persists due to the lack of solid evidence to disprove it - opposed to the wealth of logical thinking that disproves it, which nobody really thinks about much SMILEY

#11200004005 04/25/2006 12:38:44 Re: COULD Trinity have been pregnant?

Far-fetched? Yes. Crazy? Yes. Feasible?
...yes.

What you just said makes perfect logical sense. "Without solid evidence" indeed. Without solid evidence all we could do is speculate. For example:

Could cave monkies have pregancy tests?
Could Trinity have done that....period...thing and not have noticed? Could she have noticed but didn't tell anyone?
Could the Machines have saved her or her baby? What were they doing that prevented her recycling?
If she wasn't pregnant, could the Machines have taken hers and Neo's DNA to make a NEW One? :o

Too many questions, and no answers behind them. Nothing illogical about it. Nothing far-fetched about it.
(although the mere fact that I'm the OP would make this a crazy idea :p )

#11200004012 04/28/2006 03:26:44 Re: COULD Trinity have been pregnant?

It couldn't be a new One.

The One was the 'sum of remainder of the equation' at the centre of the Matrix's programming, that allowed him the control he demonstrated.
I imagine that his control of the sentinels was simply some sort of partly-subconscious ability to also take control of the machine implants in his body, after he touched the Source and it flicked some sort of switch inside him.

Even if the machines could implant their technology into a partly-grown fetus, the baby would not have any remnants of the power that Neo possessed - the power he had inside the Matrix was a sole product of the coding of his RSI, which has everything to do with the Matrix and nothing to do with biological things. Well, that's what I assume.

#11200004018 04/28/2006 04:43:30 Re: COULD Trinity have been pregnant?

The Assassin did say small devices were on Trinitys neck and it looked
like a operation was planned. I guess they could of saved Trinity, and
assumming one of those metal poles didnt hit the fetus, they could keep
her asleep till the baby comes to term. Also, I see no reason why the
Machines counldn't install the crainial jacks, they wont need the full
body plugs as they aren't going into pods. Remember that the only
reason freeborns can't go into the Matrix( Aside from being born plug
free) Is that zion doesnt have the means or tech to install Crainial
Jacks.

#11200004022 04/28/2006 05:10:03 Re: COULD Trinity have been pregnant?

im not sure machines could install cranial jacks onto an adult freeborne human. i think they have to do it while the baby is young and the nervous system is fairly simple. i dont know why i wrote this.

#11200004023 04/28/2006 07:04:21 Re: COULD Trinity have been pregnant?

darkhaze wrote:
im not sure machines could
install cranial jacks onto an adult freeborne human. i think they have
to do it while the baby is young and the nervous system is fairly
simple. i dont know why i wrote this.

Could
you explain then how the Machines put the first Humans into the Matrix
as seen in the Animatrix? Also, a baby is small and fragile meaning it
would be less likely to survive that kind of an operation, which is why
they are "born with the plugs in them"

#11200004025 04/28/2006 13:05:27 Re: COULD Trinity have been pregnant?

The remains were not recycled. Any potential offspring would have been free-born and have no connection to the original anomaly outside of its biological connection to the program host. The human body is a mere vessel.

#11200004030 04/28/2006 16:22:17 Re: COULD Trinity have been pregnant?

AqueousRei wrote:
The remains were not
recycled. Any potential offspring would have been free-born and have no
connection to the original anomaly outside of its biological
connection to the program host. The human body is a mere vessel.

What does any of that have to do with whether or not Trin was pregnant?

#11200004032 04/28/2006 23:16:37 Re: COULD Trinity have been pregnant?

How about what does it matter if trinity was impregnated or not?

Human Trin+ Human Anderson = freeborn fetus.

So the machines went out of the way to save a human fetus, adding again a fetus that would be nothing special, because why? Illogical. Any theories that suggest a fetus was searched for and saved by the machines should be re-evaluated & withdrawn.

#11200004034 04/28/2006 23:46:53 Re: COULD Trinity have been pregnant?

To say the Childs mind would not be special or have things to study on it is premature.

#11200004037 04/29/2006 01:21:32 Re: COULD Trinity have been pregnant?

"So the machines went out of the way to save a human fetus, adding again
a fetus that would be nothing special, because why? Illogical. Any
theories that suggest a fetus was searched for and saved by the
machines should be re-evaluated & withdrawn."

Maybe, if there was a fetus, they did it due to emotion. Neo was as important to them as he was to us. He must be the greatest man the Machines have ever seen. Nothing will ever change the fact that we gave them life. Why else would they keep us alive for so long avoiding war?

#11200004038 04/29/2006 02:18:44 Re: COULD Trinity have been pregnant?

Like to point out the DNA thing in regards to a new One and the fact that Neo could jack into the Matrix without a plug (Trainman scenes).

:p

Man, this thread exploded for the few moments I was gone. Did I really create that much of a stir?

#11200004041 04/29/2006 03:33:27 Re: COULD Trinity have been pregnant?

minuend wrote:
Maybe, if there was a fetus, they did it due to emotion. Neo was as important to them as he was to us. He must be the greatest man the Machines have ever seen. Nothing will ever change the fact that we gave them life. Why else would they keep us alive for so long avoiding war?

:smileyindifferent:
Keep the Truce, why not? The Machine as a society did not initiate hostilities before.

ZippydaSquirl wrote:

Like to point out the DNA thing in regards to a new One and the fact that Neo could jack into the Matrix without a plug (Trainman scenes)....

Reconsider how you justify these "powers" outside of The Matrix.
Machine City Broadcasts can not be transferred via DNA :robotsurprised:

Message Edited by AqueousRei on 04-29-2006 04:43 AM