The ability to 'stop' bullets-Shouki's theory.

29 posts · 2005-08-17 22:15:25 to 2005-09-04 18:35:18

#11200000128 08/17/2005 22:15:25 The ability to 'stop' bullets-Shouki's theory.

Ok...I know what you are all thinking now, I'm a crack head and we all know stopping bullets comes from being the allmight one right? Well stop right there...that kind of thinking is wrong, at least hear me out.


As you all know at the ending more or less of the first Matrix Neo held his hand out and stopped bullets in mid air, it is my belief now after re-watching the movie for the 3rd time that ANYONE can do this, but no one has TRIED.


Why? They are human, they are told by their brain that the bullets are real and that if the bullets hit them they will die. In other words, they always run the cause of this? FEAR.


This is one of the many weaknesses that a human being has, it is fear that makes you run away and it is often fear which causes you not to believe in your self.

If you follow careful instruction's from what I believe then it is highly possible that ANY redpill can stop bullets in there place.(I do not guarntee it will work 100% of the time and many a redpill will die trying)(OOC Note: This is sort of a mini roleplaying tool if you will, i dont recomend using my tips to actually 'stop' bullets in game)


What the process will require is simple.

Someone who's mind is completely clear, free of free, free of anxiety, free of human emotions that would normal dictate your actions and cause you to loose faith in your self. Remember, this world is digital...NOTHING in it is realy.


With that said, remember back to earlier in the first matrix...the kid...



"Do not try and bend the spoon. That's impossible. Instead ... only try to realize the truth."
"What truth?"
"There is no spoon."
"There is no spoon?"
"Then you'll see that it is not the spoon that bends, it is only yourself."


As I'm sure you all remember, Neo then proceeds to tilt his head to the side which caused the spoon to bend. Further proof that someone with completely belief in their abilites and understanding that the matrix is not real can be found in another quote


"What are you trying to tell me? That I can dodge bullets?"
"No, Neo. I'm trying to tell you that when you're ready, you won't have to."


When Neo is READY, the key phrase is READY. As in when Neo's mind has been completely whiped of doubt, that he completely believes in his abilites only then would he be able to do it.

My theory is simple, if what the bald-child said is true about the spoon why could the same not be said about bullets? Remember, everything in the matrix is just code...even your bullets..none of it is real. But the fear in your mind of knowing you can actually die, that you can actually get hurt is what prevents other redpills from doing the act that Neo does...why do I say this? Because, yet again, fear will cause us to doubt our selves...are we so sure of our abilites that we would risk death? that thought alone tells me that you would not be able to do it.

Like I said, it will require a CLEAR mind, free of doubt.

If you notice in the movie, remember, when Neo bent the spoon he had tilted his head to the side. When Neo stopped the bullets we see a similiar gesture only this time when he does it the bullets fall to the ground.

I know, you all think im crazy and that stopping bullets is only an uber trick that The One gets. I may be wrong but that is why it is called a theory.

Think? Has anybody in the matrix besides Neo actually ever TRIED to stop bullets? No, yet again, fear ruled their minds and told them to avoid being shot at all costs. Neo however, having come back to life and being completely sure of him self and his abilites was not ruled by fear.

It was then that he realized the truth, Morpheus' words became clear to him.


It was simple really.

He only had to realize the truth.

There are no bullets.




There, that is my little theory. You must say that it is not entirely impossible, I presented some good points about it.
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#11200000129 08/17/2005 22:56:13 Re: The ability to 'stop' bullets-Shouki's theory.
Very insightful, and I never really thought about it that way.

I think, though, the thing that differentiated The One from any of the other redpills out there is that his understanding of the Matrix code became so intuitive, so concentrated, that he could alter it at a whim, whereas it takes the others a bit of time to discover they can do these things. Abilities such as flying? An over-exaggerated hyperjump..

Neo's abilities, I think, are the enhanced and amplified versions of what everyone else was capable of. His memory capacity, his understanding of the Matrix, allowed him to control it. The other redpills were simply using the Matrix as you would use a piece of software. Sure, you may know the steps to quickly get the results you desire, but Neo is the guy who hacks the program to rule out those quick steps and achieve immediate results.

I hope some of what I said made sense, it's a little late (early?) where I am.
#11200000130 08/17/2005 23:52:15 Re: The ability to 'stop' bullets-Shouki's theory.
What you said make's sense, but it also leads to another part of my theory that I decided to leave out.


When Neo stopped the bullets he was able to see the code, which nulled all of the fear a normal human being would of had of the bullets? why? because he saw them simply as code, to be able to see it for what it is as a computer program and to know without a doubt in your mind that you can make things happen, and that this world is just a simulation, to be able to see the code of the matrix, gave Neo the reassurance needed for him to clear all disbelief of his abilites, allowing him to stop the bullets.

Like I said, There are no bullets...

I do not think his flying was an over-exaggerated hyperjump. As Morpheus stated things like Gravity inside of the matrix are rules, and rules can be bent or broken. If Neo could break the rules he could literally fly.
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#11200000131 08/18/2005 00:32:52 Re: The ability to 'stop' bullets-Shouki's theory.
I agree with some of what you're saying.

There's no reason that a redpill couldn't find like Neo, or do that blade-stopping-with-hand thing he did in the Chateau.



But I believe that his stopping of bullets and other amazing feats were because he rewrote the code, even if it was at a near subconcious level.

He rewrote the code of the bullets to stop them travelling - suddenly
they had nothing telling them to move. And he rewrote the code directly
in their area to kill gravity. Then, drop hand, gravity is back on.
Perhaps he can't permenantly rewrite code, only temporarily.

#11200000132 08/18/2005 00:34:47 Re: The ability to 'stop' bullets-Shouki's theory.
Oh, one thing that never made sense to me.



Morpheus said that every man or woman who has fought an agent has died.
But agents will never be as strong or as fast as Neo because they are
still based on the system's rules.



Yet, technically, ALL redpills exceed the rules of the system. So
surely it should be possible to get everyone to the level of being able
to kill agents?

Or does it simply come down to knowing enough technique, and Neo had that capacity to store the information and nobody else did.

#11200000133 08/18/2005 00:42:37 Re: The ability to 'stop' bullets-Shouki's theory.

Putting it into MxO terms...

I think Neo just must of had 1,000 or more points in memory compacity.



Scattershot, Duelist, Martial Arts(Loads of them)



And Im sure I'm forgetting some of him but the main ones I can remember right now is Scattershot, Duelist, and Martial Artist.



I'm sure that people have foughten agent's, but they die for other reasons. Take trinity for example, she killed an agent on the roof but you cant ACTUALLY kill an agent. So far only Neo(By deleting it's code) has been able to do it. We also see other accounts where a redpill comes close to beating an agent but not defeating it entirely.


-poins at Morpheus VS Agent in reloaded-

But yeah...It's general just better to run away, I think what Morpheus ment is usually the people who try and fight the Agents die because the Agents skill level is far greater then that...Remember when trinity saw Neo dodging bullets she said she had never seen anyone move that fast before.

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#11200000134 08/18/2005 01:32:25 Re: The ability to 'stop' bullets-Shouki's theory.
i thought the same as you that anyone can do it, didnt really think it was a new thing but mayb people dont really think about certain things in the film.
#11200000135 08/18/2005 01:47:10 Re: The ability to 'stop' bullets-Shouki's theory.
right on shouki....



remember your lucid dreams? the dreams when you realize its all a dream and you can control things?



perhaps this is the same idea as neo's skills--- he realized the matrix is a dreamworld and acted accordingly.



its no accident that hyperjump is improved with high belief.



"youve have to let it all go... free your mind."

#11200000136 08/18/2005 02:47:42 Re: The ability to 'stop' bullets-Shouki's theory.
I love all Ive read here, really a great read and insightful. One theory of my theories was that the reason Redpills seem to have more power then Operatives in the Movies(I.E Flying with HyperJump, Getting Shot Multiple Times.) is because having seen what Neo could do...the knowledge that It can be done was enough to free the minds of the Operatives that much more. If you know something can be done it's easier to accomplish it, much like how the Kid was able to comit Suicide and wake up in his pod...he knew it was fake so he didn't die.
#11200000137 08/18/2005 03:00:39 Re: The ability to 'stop' bullets-Shouki's theory.
Very very true, I have always thought that if the matrix is Code and
Humans have the brain power, since they are part machine they can
rewrite it no matter if he/she is "The One", If you listen the One's
Power is given in a choice. Thats how Neo got to be "The One". Neo
choosen to Know it was fake, a dream if you will. So he Rewrite the
code to Revive him. He did alot with the power he was given. Remember
the movies was Based off the bible so Jesus[Neo] was Killed and came
back some odd days later. The revive in the hallway was only 2 secs not
days. so i dont think Neo is died.

#11200000138 08/18/2005 03:19:56 Re: The ability to 'stop' bullets-Shouki's theory.
Well we know for sure that to some degree Neo is Still in the Matrix and that Sarah Edmonds might be his new RSI.
#11200000139 08/18/2005 03:22:36 Re: The ability to 'stop' bullets-Shouki's theory.
Thats just dumb, sorry to say. But in the bible Jesus[Neo] came back as himself not a girl or another guy.

#11200000140 08/18/2005 03:28:20 Re: The ability to 'stop' bullets-Shouki's theory.
I didn't put that Tabloid document into the game and I didnt pick her name which spells out Thomas Anderson when rearagend.. Neo isnt Jesus...may borrow from the bible but its not copying or folliowing the same Path.........
#11200000142 08/18/2005 03:58:46 Re: The ability to 'stop' bullets-Shouki's theory.
Its 84% taking stuff from the bible, do the math



i didnt call you dumb, i mean him being a woman is dumb.

Message Edited by Warboy090 on 08-18-2005 07:59 AM

#11200000144 08/18/2005 04:07:09 Re: The ability to 'stop' bullets-Shouki's theory.
I agree I don't want him to be a female RSI...and I know you didn't call me dumb. :smileyhappy:
#11200000150 08/18/2005 09:36:40 Re: The ability to 'stop' bullets-Shouki's theory.
I don't believe Neo is dead because at revolutions I noticed things..mhm..mhm.

First, when Neo was dragged out onto that platform by the machine(I dunt remember exactly what happens here, i forgot some of it) but he was dropped on a platform and then it switchs to his view of the 'true light'.

Then the Oracle when asked if they'd see Neo again she said "I have a feeling we'll be seeing him again some day"
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#11200000151 08/18/2005 10:26:04 Re: The ability to 'stop' bullets-Shouki's theory.
Yes anyone can stop bullets if their mind is free enough, but only Neos is.



Neo cannot do the things he does "because he is the One", He is the one because of the things he can do.





#11200000152 08/18/2005 11:25:02 Re: The ability to 'stop' bullets-Shouki's theory.
Very good reasoning, and I am prone to agree with you to a certain
degree. Everyone has the potential to do what Neo does, with training
and freeing their mind more and more, and with a deeper understanding
of the Matrix.



As for the bullet-stopping however, this was something not even the
Merovingian expected Neo to do (although he wasn't completely
surprised).



However, when Neo blocks the sword with the edge of his hand, the
Merovingian was clearly surprised and caught off guard - indicating
that Neo's abilities transcended those of the One's before him.

#11200000153 08/18/2005 14:26:44 Re: The ability to 'stop' bullets-Shouki's theory.

Im pretty sure everyone told you the same thing that you are right. And Im glad you have stated that because you can use that thought even in the real world.

Message Edited by mandem on 08-18-2005 08:29 PM

#11200000154 08/18/2005 15:23:07 Re: The ability to 'stop' bullets-Shouki's theory.
Yes, he did block the sword with his hand but he still got cut and bled as the Merovingian had said "See he's still only human"
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#11200000155 08/18/2005 15:48:00 Re: The ability to 'stop' bullets-Shouki's theory.
Seeing as how the sword should of cut his hand off and all Neo got was a little cut....I still say it's impressive.
#11200000157 08/18/2005 15:49:03 Re: The ability to 'stop' bullets-Shouki's theory.
Yes it is impressive SMILEY
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#11200000235 08/22/2005 10:32:45 Re: The ability to 'stop' bullets-Shouki's theory.

**bleep** right it's impressive. I get that same kinda cut when I try to stop a newspaper:smileywink: I agree with you completely, Shouki. A human being in the matrix is capable of whatever they can realize inside the matrix. If Neo wanted to he could've the bullets into smiley faces like that one....anyway, nice work.


#11200000288 08/24/2005 07:50:14 Re: The ability to 'stop' bullets-Shouki's theory.

Just a little spin on things that hasn't been mentioned so far.


You say that redpills are incapable of this feat due to fear. As we all know by now there is an Emergency Jack Out Procedure in place so we dont all die horribly when our RSI's get beaten to rather messy pulps. Surely as a result of this the vast majority of the fear has been removed from our brains causing us to be far more capable then those prior to the truce?


Basically if we are aware that dying in the Matrix no longer kills us in the real then in theory the mind should be free enough of fear to try anything.


On that note I'm off to stop bullets... :smileywink:



EDIT: Yeah... Didn't work......... Heh heh

#11200000290 08/24/2005 13:19:48 Re: The ability to 'stop' bullets-Shouki's theory.
Looking at it in a real life aspect I suppose it wouldn't matter
because... You would be dead. And after that, there isn't much to fear.
That is why, in my opinion, to fear death is pointless. It is
acceptable to fear pain, however. But to destroy your fear of an end...
That is when your mind truly becomes free.

#11200000420 08/31/2005 13:47:11 Re: The ability to 'stop' bullets-Shouki's theory.
you go ahead and try to stop those bullets let me know how it works out :p
#11200000421 08/31/2005 13:52:21 Re: The ability to 'stop' bullets-Shouki's theory.
also if every man or woman who has fought an agent has died why is seraph still alive?
#11200000447 09/03/2005 23:06:54 Re: The ability to 'stop' bullets-Shouki's theory.
b/c he too is a program like the agent so he cant die like a human would in the matrix
#11200000449 09/04/2005 18:35:18 Re: The ability to 'stop' bullets-Shouki's theory.

the problem with this theory is that somestimes like we will be walking alone and just get hit by a car right?


well you did not know you were going to die so why did you die anyways?


becuase you did not believe or even consider it happening so why did you not dodge that car???????



ill tell you why because the matrix aint real.