This thread is for discussion of The Other Side of the Looking Glass posted on Data Node One on Friday, December 23, 2005.
Message Edited by Walrus on 12-23-2005 03:09 PM
The Other Side of the Looking Glass - December 23, 2005
123 posts · 2005-12-23 14:15:56 to 2006-01-15 17:22:43
Great Pictures but now we know you have a character called "SiliconGraphics" and "TheWalrus" :smileywink: :smileyhappy:
Edit: Got the First Post for Once :smileyvery-happy:
Message Edited by DevilsArms(MxO) on 12-23-2005 11:20 PM
I love the 2 hotbars!!! It sounds like a good year for 2006.
Wow ty for the pictures and wow... the video!!!
I have to say the interlock and animations look much smoother... And it is much faster WoW from what i see this is going to be a Major upgrade to the current system... I cant wait to test it!!!
All i have to say after this is keep up the good work devs with the hotbar's! and the combat!!!
(and the fancy circles below is also a cool feature)
The video of the new combat upgrade is awesome, I can't wait until it is implemented :smileyvery-happy:
I approve. carry on.
I really like the new hotbar as well as the new skin texture for it. Cant wait to try it out. 
Howcome you werent using the new hotbar's in the video?....
He has a baseball cap!!!!! OMGWTFBBQ!
lol, nice video Walrus.
lol, nice video Walrus.
O_O
Umm walrus does this mean your finally releasing the Baseball hat... 
And yeah I like how combat looks. :p
BASEBALL HAT!!!
Walrus your my hero man. If this was EQII or another very large community the Devs would of laughed at us for such a request yet your nice enough to do stuff like this. Your good peoples man!
I like the new look, but it seemed familiar. I remember, it's how SWG combat pretty much worked before the recent changes.
The 2-hotbar system is a must, and I'm very glad they've finally decided to impliment it. However, a couple things bugged me about the video. The devs said they wanted to make interlock faster, but they've added two more animations for the power and speed attacks, which takes it last longer. It basically looks exactly like the system we have now, except now with no way to tell what your rolls are.
Also, this has been discussed before, but the fact that your basic attacks take up half your hotbar is also odd. Yes, the 2-hotbar system will help, but it's still a little inconvenient. If one of the main things they've changed is the interlock hud, then I must say that it's something that didn't really need to be changed or removed.
Of course, I'll have to actually test it out myself to get the bigger picture :smileyhappy:
I love how they took out the combat UI, you can actually see what is going on now. The smoothness of interlock will definately make player movies better.
Haha, to all those previous hotbar complainers, I told you to wait until you saw it yourselves 
Awesome work on the video, and the pics. Just curious
though...are those pics from QA or from a live server, and are just
doctored?
though...are those pics from QA or from a live server, and are just
doctored?
MoKap wrote:
The 2-hotbar system is a must, and I'm very glad they've finally decided to impliment it. However, a couple things bugged me about the video. The devs said they wanted to make interlock faster, but they've added two more animations for the power and speed attacks, which takes it last longer. It basically looks exactly like the system we have now, except now with no way to tell what your rolls are.
Also, this has been discussed before, but the fact that your basic attacks take up half your hotbar is also odd. Yes, the 2-hotbar system will help, but it's still a little inconvenient. If one of the main things they've changed is the interlock hud, then I must say that it's something that didn't really need to be changed or removed.
Of course, I'll have to actually test it out myself to get the bigger picture :smileyhappy:
I actually like it alot better and with the 2 hotbar's this will simplify things even more... Also with the old combat UI it would cover up Downgrades on you so you had no idea when they were ending... Now you have a clear picture to whats going on including whats going on around u
lol, I just noticed the awesome hat walrus is wearing in the Video. I just got happy. Also in the second hotbar pic its obviously the live version since I see SgtClunk and a few others. Just think they were just feet from the famous Walrus and never knew it. lol! I like the new animations and I like how interlock has a more "airy". By that i mean it doesn't feel like your trapped in a box of interlock. I think I'll like this change.
Also Walrus, will we be able to see our rolls somewhere?
Message Edited by Detrius_MXO on 12-23-2005 03:41 PM
It seems as though now that the npcs do more damage they are starting to figure out the base of the problem, but the Baseball hat...I WANT!!!
Those pics and video rock Walrus! Nice one!
And omgwtfbaseballhats!!!111oneoneoneshiftone
The Animations could still be smoothened out a little bit but it still rocks!
And omgwtfbaseballhats!!!111oneoneoneshiftone
The Animations could still be smoothened out a little bit but it still rocks!
Walrus howcome you werent using the new hotbar's in the video?? are they still in development?
LOL look at the floor its like were playing smack down. do we press R2 to select a new opponent?? LOL sorry it made me laugh. I kinda like it but it dose look the same, not quite as fluid as I would have hoped. I dunno about faster.
also that is really a pain that your normal attacks cannot be placed using the directional buttons. So what will directions be used for? I like the idea of 2 bars but I use the numbers a lot so what am I meant to do when using 2 bars. Press one button and have 2 things happen at once? Unlikely. hmmm I really want to try this for myself because that video left an awful lot to the imagination.
this reminds me of beta, pre CU
ohh 4 the ppl that where not in beta before dec 04, before the drop down window in interlock that we have now.....
ohh 4 the ppl that where not in beta before dec 04, before the drop down window in interlock that we have now.....
At the risk of posting an unpopular opinion, here was my intial thoughts.
While without an explanation, the screenshots are interesting but not
much I can say about that until I know what all the button do.
2nd the Video:
Besides the obvious part of being faster, smoother and less starts and stops, there is a lot mentioned before that is not showcased here:
How is this different than what we have now?
I'm not seeing 0 sum combat... (at least I think I am not)
Where is the melee combat? (Free Fire Melee - Whatever you want to call it)
You turned off your chat UI so that we can not see the system messages that tell us more about what is going on behind the scenes in the game mechanics.
I think this video gives the wrong impression about what the CR is
really about. To me this just looks like a cleaned up UI release. Don't
get me wrong, I like the cleaner UI... but I ask my self.... where is
the meat?
To me, I just hope this just requires a better explaination of what is
really going on. Screenies and Video is not enough. A Voice over
explaining would have done nicely. But I know, no time.
Please ENJOY the holidays and lets worry about this later. :smileywink:
-MM
While without an explanation, the screenshots are interesting but not
much I can say about that until I know what all the button do.
2nd the Video:
Besides the obvious part of being faster, smoother and less starts and stops, there is a lot mentioned before that is not showcased here:
How is this different than what we have now?
I'm not seeing 0 sum combat... (at least I think I am not)
Where is the melee combat? (Free Fire Melee - Whatever you want to call it)
You turned off your chat UI so that we can not see the system messages that tell us more about what is going on behind the scenes in the game mechanics.
I think this video gives the wrong impression about what the CR is
really about. To me this just looks like a cleaned up UI release. Don't
get me wrong, I like the cleaner UI... but I ask my self.... where is
the meat?
To me, I just hope this just requires a better explaination of what is
really going on. Screenies and Video is not enough. A Voice over
explaining would have done nicely. But I know, no time.
Please ENJOY the holidays and lets worry about this later. :smileywink:
-MM
OMG...
What the....
where are the rolls!?
Interlock without rolls....what a bizzarre universe...
What the....
where are the rolls!?
Interlock without rolls....what a bizzarre universe...
Nice Baseball hat Walrus!
Twister1352 wrote:
Walrus howcome you werent using the new hotbar's in the video?? are they still in development?
Probably because they are a concept and haven't been implemented fully yet. Walrus did say that the concept probably wouldn't be released at the same time as the combat upgrade (although with it being delayed now, who knows
)I must say watching interlock without seing the interlock toolbar looked weird and will probably take the most getting used to. Looks good though, a lot more fluid and does seem to be pretty fast paced. Just hope we get to test it soon after you come back!
Concept for the hotbars looks good, although I'd like it to look a bit more solid arround the edges like the current one then the flimsy looking frame, but thats just me. :p
Nice long (cheeting but we appreciate it) looking glass. Have a good christmas!
Jeffers
Thank god Maori, finally some one who just like me dose not see *rainbows lollipops and* *cough* sorry. Recompose myself but it dose seem ll to familiar its like combat is now with CRT+U and CRT+T that's all I see and some annoying hud that is wasted with speed, power, block and throw.
I'm hoping when we get to play it will be a lot different. wulrus really should have gone in to a fight with a few NPCs so we could see how the new ability to attack more than one person thingy works.
I think the video was to show case how the animations look and how the new hotbar will function. I don't think it was ment to show the actual inner mechanics of how the rolls are won etc. Maybe that's why there is no chatbox. And it's a sneakpeak, don't think it was ment to be an in depth thing. First we begged him into giving us vid then some complain about it. But thats good constructive critisism i guess can be good.
New hotbar looks good
Hmmm yes interesting.
I guess we just need to wait now to test it our selves.
It did look rather odd though not seeing what your next move is going to be. I know I like that, atleast I can tell what move is coming next and what I'm just about to pwn someone with..... lol
oh well all hail TheWalrus
your truly a gent giving us a sneak peek
Merry Christmas to you all and have a good break. We'll still be here ready to bug ya when you come back.
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
The fighting still looks like zero-sum, but that's probably by misfortune 
This will definitely be interesting. Like Walrus said, it is a work in progress, so we'll see what happens.
This will definitely be interesting. Like Walrus said, it is a work in progress, so we'll see what happens.
Message Edited by ShadowSK on 12-23-2005 04:02 PM
thats just awesome!!
i love the IL without the big combat UI. so sweet
i love the IL without the big combat UI. so sweet
Who are all the people in the picture? Are they all devs or are there players there? I thought sgtclunk was a player...
Hey, wait a moment. I am not trying to come off as a B****.... I
am just letting Walrus know what, at least, I am looking for. I'm not
complaining per se but I am offering my constructive critisism because
I am hungry for the knowledge. That is all. I am still looking forward
to the CR.
And yes, I like the new Hotbar. :smileyvery-happy:
-MM
am just letting Walrus know what, at least, I am looking for. I'm not
complaining per se but I am offering my constructive critisism because
I am hungry for the knowledge. That is all. I am still looking forward
to the CR.
And yes, I like the new Hotbar. :smileyvery-happy:
-MM
Detrius_MXO wrote:
I think the video was to show
case how the animations look and how the new hotbar will function. I
don't think it was ment to show the actual inner mechanics of how the
rolls are won etc. Maybe that's why there is no chatbox.
And it's a sneakpeak, don't think it was ment to be an in depth
thing. First we begged him into giving us vid then some complain
about it. But thats good constructive critisism i guess can
be good.
Actually you can tell the next move, the icon in the hot bar does this
almost border flashing thing that is real unobvious. Just more
constructive criticism.
-MM
almost border flashing thing that is real unobvious. Just more
constructive criticism.
-MM
Message Edited by Midori-Megami on 12-23-2005 04:08 PM
From what I understand 0 Sum combat would be when two people shot
each other simultaneously. That's not what I am seeing here.. I am
seeing two people taking turns. Which is what we have today.
Maybe you can explain how this equals zero-sum because I may be missing the point or misunderstood the meaning. :smileyhappy:
-MM
each other simultaneously. That's not what I am seeing here.. I am
seeing two people taking turns. Which is what we have today.
Maybe you can explain how this equals zero-sum because I may be missing the point or misunderstood the meaning. :smileyhappy:
-MM
ShadowSK wrote:
The fighting still looks like zero-sum, but that's probably by misfortune
This will definitely be interesting. Like Walrus said, it is a work in progress, so we'll see what happens.Message Edited by ShadowSK on 12-23-2005 04:02 PM
Midori-Megami wrote:
From what I understand 0 Sum combat would be when two people shot each other simultaneously. That's not what I am seeing here.. I am seeing two people taking turns. Which is what we have today.
Maybe you can explain how this equals zero-sum because I may be missing the point or misunderstood the meaning. Archived image unavailable: 16x16_smiley-happy.html
-MM
According to Dev Journal 3:
Remove as much zero-sum combat as possible and create a standard round length. (“Zero sum” means there’s one winner and one loser each round; never two hits or two misses.)
Heh, here the whole time I was thinking that they were trying to add it rather than remove it.
I stand corrected. /formalbow :smileyhappy:
-MM
I stand corrected. /formalbow :smileyhappy:
-MM
Interesting video. Not as fluid as I hoped, but certainly better than the current system. Looking forward to seeing how it turns out.
Baseball cap?!?!
OMFGWTFJOOHAX1!!!!1!!!!111
Are we going to get those because that would rule(headbands would rock too)
SgtClunk was in a picture taken by Walrus! Oh the humanity! It burns, it burns!
Seriously, that guy has caused me and TGS so much grief in and out of game.
Other than that, looks pretty sweet. Shame we don't get to see the updates to data miner
Seriously, that guy has caused me and TGS so much grief in and out of game.
Other than that, looks pretty sweet. Shame we don't get to see the updates to data miner
Apparently the new name for Ranged Combat Tactics is Ballistic
Accuracy. And the pistol Walrus is using downgrades it by 3. Maybe
weapons will actually make since now, with pistols being less accurate
than rifles, which currently have a -5 combat tactics downgrade.
Accuracy. And the pistol Walrus is using downgrades it by 3. Maybe
weapons will actually make since now, with pistols being less accurate
than rifles, which currently have a -5 combat tactics downgrade.
Meh, sgtclunks a pretty cool guy believe it or not. Just likes to say noob alot. It's a reflex.
the video
well it looks like the normal fighting
as for the ss it looks **bleep** cool
.......I love you.
might sound sarcastic but its really the truth of many players, and pretty sure its on the developer's minds as well
HOW ABOUT FIXING SOME BUGS!?!?!?!?!
the game is eat up with the SAME bugs from way back in the beta, how about erradicating these bugs before possibly adding many more with a whole new combat system which most likely will add a whole hell of alot more bugs
I would so like to play the game for hours on end with out a crash to the desktop every 20 mins, or fight a mob for red frags and not have the entire area just go into evade
a new combat system might be a nice addition, but a bug free game would be 20,000 times better
Thanks for adding another row of hotbars, SOE.
This gives me some hope in the game, although I still think the power/speed stuff should have been left in the place it was and not take up hotbar room, this revision is looking interesting and I have many ideas to help the combat system improve.
This gives me some hope in the game, although I still think the power/speed stuff should have been left in the place it was and not take up hotbar room, this revision is looking interesting and I have many ideas to help the combat system improve.
ha, that was awesome! Can't wait to get in there and try it out & test