Lighten up.

89 posts · 2009-03-17 21:22:48 to 2009-03-24 13:36:20

#36300550925 03/17/2009 21:22:48 Lighten up.

Obviously this is not addressed to everybody, but I'm not sure where the sense of entitlement that's become so prevalent here comes from exactly. Perhaps it is a lack of perspective.

I fail to see how anybody has been "screwed over" by Sony, a corporation far too large to intentionally screw over such a small population of its clientele, and far too interested in the bottom line to go around making enemies out of customers. As far as I can tell, this game has been really fun and has had a great run. Just because nothing lasts forever doesn't mean you are owed anything. No one held a gun to your head and forced you to keep subscribing. There is nothing in the EULA that entitles us to fabulous MxO prizes till the sun burns out. I myself am very disappointed that I didn't find MxO earlier in its incarnation, but what can you do? These are the kind of problems you WANT to have.

In a time where there's major wars going on and people around the world are losing their livelihoods and even their homes, I find it repugnant that anybody has the nerve to complain so stridently about something they were very lucky to ever have in the first place at all. Yes, losing MxO would be incredibly disappointing, however, it's great to still have a roof over your head, heat in your home, food to eat, and a working computer among other amenities denied a large number of the world's population.

And at any rate, clearly the fate of our game is in our hands. We can either whinge and moan like spoiled brats about having our toys taken from us before we felt like putting them down, or we can take this thing and turn it into the best thing it could be.

Complaining that Sony makes no effort? Fine, let's show them how it's done, then.

#36300550927 03/17/2009 21:35:04 Re:Lighten up.

Joined: Feb 18, 2008
#36300550928 03/17/2009 21:42:29 Re:Re:Lighten up.

GypsyJuggler wrote:


Joined: Feb 18, 2008

Yes? Your point?

#36300550930 03/17/2009 21:51:51 Re:Lighten up.

Kreis wrote:

And at any rate, clearly the fate of our game is in our hands. We can either whinge and moan like spoiled brats about having our toys taken from us before we felt like putting them down, or we can take this thing and turn it into the best thing it could be.

Complaining that Sony makes no effort? Fine, let's show them how it's done, then.

I'm with you on that. I've personally gotten sick to death with all the energy wasted on whining and drama-inducing, when people could be using that energy to create good RP events and stories.

Lately, I've been reading White Wolf's World of Darkness sourcebooks, particularly for Mage: the Ascension. Yes, I'm aware that's their old line and it's been replaced by Mage: The Awakening, but I still find it fascinating. To me, MxO is in that same category: maybe the powers that be aren't creating new material for it, but that doesn't make it outlaw to take the material that is there and use it to have some fun with it.

#36300550935 03/17/2009 22:30:16 Re:Re:Lighten up.

GypsyJuggler wrote:


Joined: Feb 18, 2008

QFT.  Also, thread title = irony.

#36300550936 03/17/2009 22:37:36 Re:Lighten up.

All right, Ive been here since late Beta, I'll post my thoughts:

Monolith gave up on MxO. If it wasn't for SOE aquiring MxO from Monolith after the mass exodus of the first subscribers... MxO would have died 3 or 4 years ago... whenever that was. As was stated back then, Monolith excels at making awesome single player and small muliplayer experiences... not Massive Multiplayer Online games... as we all saw with the launch of MxO. I'm not sure if Vets are just blinded by nostalgia, but MxO was in terrible shape back in the day. At least now the game is stable and is playable. Yes, I am aware that MxO's Dev staff had their jacks pulled  by SOE, but at least the few they kept had their jobs for a few more years until now. So be thankful that SOE has kept MxO on life support for so long, MxO is now in a vegetative state... its up to us and our subscription money to keep life support going :p

And frankly, if any Dev that would be interested in coming to help MxO saw all the posts directed  to Rarebit and SOE (who would paying said Dev) I wouldn't want to come to this shack in the woods either :p. Just enjoy MxO for what it is: a virtural table top RP game and chat room.

Thats my story, and I'm sticking to it.

#36300550937 03/17/2009 22:42:38 Re:Re:Re:Lighten up.

Phrack wrote:

GypsyJuggler wrote:


Joined: Feb 18, 2008

QFT.  Also, thread title = irony.



I hate to be the one to break this to you, but that's exactly part of the "entitlement" she was referring to.

Sure, you've played this game for a lot longer, but guess what...  it doesn't matter.  No one cares.  It doesn't change anything.  Regardless of the roads that led us here, this is where we are now.  So tout your beta caps proudly and spend your fifteen dollars each month to complain about the game and let me know where that gets you.

#36300550939 03/17/2009 22:45:56 Re:Re:Lighten up.

Ebola wrote:

All right, Ive been here since late Beta, I'll post my thoughts:

Monolith gave up on MxO. If it wasn't for SOE aquiring MxO from Monolith after the mass exodus of the first subscribers... MxO would have died 3 or 4 years ago... whenever that was. As was stated back then, Monolith excels at making awesome single player and small muliplayer experiences... not Massive Multiplayer Online games... as we all saw with the launch of MxO. I'm not sure if Vets are just blinded by nostalgia, but MxO was in terrible shape back in the day. At least now the game is stable and is playable.

Bolding mine: I started playing in November of 2005, and I remember the game used to crash and freeze horribly every twenty minutes or so. And then there was the bug of March 2006, which caused launcher.exe, one of the vital files, to self-destruct after you ran a Full System Check. Yeek... scary.

#36300550940 03/17/2009 22:47:06 Re:Lighten up.

I count myself fortunate personally that we don't bash our game like Star Wars Galaxies does.  Has anyone seen the horrible epithets they hurl towards their dev team? 

#36300550944 03/17/2009 22:54:12 Re:Lighten up.

Also, i think the thread title was subliminal messaging. "Lighten Up" as in lighting up a match... to start flames...

CONSPIRACY!

#36300550945 03/17/2009 23:00:37 Re:Re:Lighten up.

Ebola wrote:

Also, i think the thread title was subliminal messaging. "Lighten Up" as in lighting up a match... to start flames...

CONSPIRACY!

I greatly doubt that: I think she was trying to get people to realize they're only making the situation more miserable than it has to be when they could be using their time, energy and passion to make something good from what we have here.

#36300550946 03/17/2009 23:02:24 Re:Lighten up.

I know, I was trying to be sarcastic/funny.

#36300550947 03/17/2009 23:09:16 Re:Re:Lighten up.

Ebola wrote:

I know, I was trying to be sarcastic/funny.

Whoops, my bad! Sorry! My sense of humor is the first thing to go on standby when I'm sleepy. Plus, even when I'm fully awake, the shot synapses in my brain don't always detect scarcasm.

#36300550953 03/17/2009 23:34:57 Re:Re:Re:Re:Lighten up.

Villemar_MxO wrote:

Completely incorrect.  I was the game's biggest booster up until a few months ago when for all intents and purposes the plug was pulled on us. 

Let me ask you this.  What is the point of telling the community, "You'll get nothing and like it, so Stop Whining, Jerks!" 


Hm, I've reread her initial post three times, and I think the issue here is that you're reading something entirely different.  I didn't see anything at all to the tune of that.

What I saw was her asking people to stop playing the victim and start playing the game.

Then in your posts, what I saw was a defensive lashing out without ever truly addressing one point she made.

#36300550954 03/17/2009 23:43:15 Re:Lighten up.

Villemar_MxO wrote:

P.S.  Who are you supposed to be again?

Supposed to be? Nobody in particular, just another player. Who are you supposed to be?

#36300550955 03/17/2009 23:49:17 Re:Lighten up.

A lot of what's suggested by the join date thing is perspective.

if you weren't here in 2005, you don't know just how huge, popular, and filled with live content with static content in constant development this game was. Hell, you could just go to Mara C on some random day and the Assassin might be there. Niobe might call you up out of the blue. That's how things started. Amazing.

Granted, things on the mechanical side were busted to hell. Yes, that was corrected, but largely, let's accept it, while people complain about things being broken, as long as they don't make the game un-playable, they'll continue to play as long as something is there to catch their intrigue. 

Case in point, Vista bugs have been there how long? People continued to play. People continued to play during the horrendous NVIDIA bugs, too. Why? Live content, newly published static content. Something new to do.

Now? There's next to nothing. That's not much if you've never been to a live event, or if you've even only been to a few. Near the end, they really kind of sucked, anyway. That's not much if you weren't involved in chapter 8 and the previous chapters which more heavily involved players ala Death of the Destroyer.

If people are bitching and citing player join dates, generally, it's because we've been in the "Oh, hey, it's not that bad" position a million times before. The SoE transition, the loss of HCFrog, CR2.0, LESIG failures, The Champagne Room - the list goes on up through the New Approach and finally Rarebit's resignation.

We've taken the shaft enough to know that the optimistic view isn't the correct one as far as this game is concerned. Is it sad? Yeah, it's sad. But it's true.

Welcome to the wasteland. Expect no saviors.

#36300550957 03/18/2009 00:07:42 Re:Re:Lighten up.

Kreis wrote:

Villemar_MxO wrote:

P.S.  Who are you supposed to be again?

Supposed to be? Nobody in particular, just another player. Who are you supposed to be?


I tell you who I'm not.  A player who shows up out of the blue, all of the sudden, guns blazing, basically starting a thread complaining that the MxO community is filled with whiney, spoled brats.

#36300550960 03/18/2009 00:54:57 Re:Re:Re:Lighten up.

Villemar_MxO wrote:

I tell you who I'm not.  A player who shows up out of the blue, all of the sudden, guns blazing, basically starting a thread complaining that the MxO community is filled with whiney, spoled brats.


Ahh but it is!  >_>

I see both sides of the agruement.  And people are getting panties twisted because they still care about the game they are addicted to/love/hate/whatever.

So uh, do as the title suggests?

Before anyone asks.. I am DELICHO, DESTORYER OF WORLDS (or just some noob).

Also, all serious points I wanted to make, Neoteny summed them up nicely.

#36300550970 03/18/2009 02:51:26 Re:Lighten up.

MxO is still MxO (to me that is.) Oh yeah my start date ain't 05 so i guess yous pretty much don't care  (we all play the game so start date has jack do to with it lol)

Yeah fair enough, LE's got cut (bit disappointing but well it was only 1 ever 3 months for vector mervs so meh..) and content got cut (dam and here was me looking forward to all the text edits..)

We are still the same god dam game. Infact, over the past year - year and a half, we have had more static content to keep ourselfs occupied than before (before was only PB's and 01.)

So yeah i will Light Up and take a big toke cause MxO ain't changed, still the same game. Its YOU'S that are making it different by not logging in and rolling over for me

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#36300550976 03/18/2009 05:08:33 Re:Lighten up.

Kreis wrote:

Obviously this is not addressed to everybody, but I'm not sure where the sense of entitlement that's become so prevalent here comes from exactly. Perhaps it is a lack of perspective.

I fail to see how anybody has been "screwed over" by Sony, a corporation far too large to intentionally screw over such a small population of its clientele, and far too interested in the bottom line to go around making enemies out of customers. As far as I can tell, this game has been really fun and has had a great run. Just because nothing lasts forever doesn't mean you are owed anything. No one held a gun to your head and forced you to keep subscribing. There is nothing in the EULA that entitles us to fabulous MxO prizes till the sun burns out. I myself am very disappointed that I didn't find MxO earlier in its incarnation, but what can you do? These are the kind of problems you WANT to have.

In a time where there's major wars going on and people around the world are losing their livelihoods and even their homes, I find it repugnant that anybody has the nerve to complain so stridently about something they were very lucky to ever have in the first place at all. Yes, losing MxO would be incredibly disappointing, however, it's great to still have a roof over your head, heat in your home, food to eat, and a working computer among other amenities denied a large number of the world's population.

And at any rate, clearly the fate of our game is in our hands. We can either whinge and moan like spoiled brats about having our toys taken from us before we felt like putting them down, or we can take this thing and turn it into the best thing it could be.

Complaining that Sony makes no effort? Fine, let's show them how it's done, then

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#36300550979 03/18/2009 05:33:52 Re:Lighten up.

Kreis wrote:

Yes, losing MxO would be incredibly disappointing,


Kreis, your entire post is contradictory. You chastise those of us who speak our minds about the current state of this game, even though you know how much this game means to us.

We aren't losing MxO, we have lost it. The game we started playing is gone. The only thing left is the world in which the game once was played. Many of us, having invested so much of our creative selves for years, are having a really difficult time letting that go.

And, if I may be so bold, perhaps you, too, are just a bit bitter and upset, and lashing out at the community is your only recourse since no official of SOE is available?

Temet Nosce.

#36300550983 03/18/2009 06:14:12 Re:Lighten up.

Lighten up!

Everyone jumping on everyone is not only not helping the situation.  In fact, it's only destroying the last vistages of what made this game great...the community.  We've been through a lot.  We've seen the best days and the worst this game has to offer and yet here we are.  We're still together but now we're turning on one another. 

And for what?  What is there to prove?  My opinion versus yours?  Who wins that?  How does that fix the game?  How does that help or inspire SOE to give us what we want?

United we stand.  Divided we fail.

#36300550986 03/18/2009 06:26:34 Re:Re:Lighten up.

Garu wrote:

Lighten up!

Everyone jumping on everyone is not only not helping the situation.  In fact, it's only destroying the last vistages of what made this game great...the community.  We've been through a lot.  We've seen the best days and the worst this game has to offer and yet here we are.  We're still together but now we're turning on one another. 

And for what?  What is there to prove?  My opinion versus yours?  Who wins that?  How does that fix the game?  How does that help or inspire SOE to give us what we want?

United we stand.  Divided we fail.

*jumps on Garu*

#36300550987 03/18/2009 06:30:27 Re:Re:Lighten up.

Neoteny wrote:

A lot of what's suggested by the join date thing is perspective.

if you weren't here in 2005, you don't know just how huge, popular, and filled with live content with static content in constant development this game was. Hell, you could just go to Mara C on some random day and the Assassin might be there. Niobe might call you up out of the blue. That's how things started. Amazing.

(This isn't directed at you, Neoteny, but you provided the vehicle for a point I'm trying to make.)

See and this is the point that really really needs to be made.

Us noobs weren't here when it all started, but that's all we ever hear about.  I can't be in this game for five minutes without someone somewhere comparing how awful it is now compared to how awesome it was back then.  The thing is, you're totally invalidating my experience here and now.

This is kind of like when a band makes it big after years of being unknown, and all the people who have been fans for years get all high and mighty because "We knew them when they were small and underground."  There's no prize for that.  All that it means is that you enjoyed it for a longer period of time, but it doesn't mean that I should derive no enjoyment from the same thing.

I understand what this game once was and how awesome it was, because I've talked to a lot of vets about it.  Who am I?  I've been here for a year, and I've got a 50 and another nearly-50.  I enjoy the hell out of this game.  Would I have enjoyed it more "back in the day?"  Undoubtedly.

I understand where Kreis is coming from because our experience as newer players has been compeltely invalidated.  You all keep pointing out on what we missed back in the day, but I feel like you are all missing out on what we still have here.  You cling to this memory of what once was, and many of you (I've totally fallen into this pit a couple of times over the last few months myself) hold that memory in such high regard, that you have a hard time facing the facts that it will never be that again.

From my understanding, she's not trying to start a riot, she's not trying to tell you to quit, she's not namecalling, but she is telling you to realize that it could definitely be worse.

#36300550988 03/18/2009 06:35:19 Re:Lighten up.

Garu is right.. If you do not agree with what somebody is saying about the game, or feel they are caring too much about it, then there is always the option of passing the thread by. Most of us are doing the best that we can in real life,.. MXO has always been a source of creative outlet, as simple as that.  The serious problems of the world are not going to be affected one way or another by what goes on with this forum.

Live and let live.

#36300550990 03/18/2009 06:58:13 Re:Lighten up.

This thread makes me sad. The community is literally tearing itself apart, especially against the younger members trying to keep a positive outlook.

You disappoint me the most, Villemar. Out of all the louder vets that have become negative, I'd have hoped that one of you would be able to keep your posts polite. I guess this issue is finally wearing on everyone. Hm, or maybe I've distanced myself too much and I can't remember who is who, here.

#36300550992 03/18/2009 07:13:51 Re:Re:Re:Lighten up.

QuiDormit wrote:

From my understanding, she's not trying to start a riot, she's not trying to tell you to quit, she's not namecalling, but she is telling you to realize that it could definitely be worse.

...How?

They could not give us Updates, or New Items, or Live Events?  They could not give us Producer's Letters, or Cinematics, or New Missions?  They could shut down two thirds of our game's servers, drive off the people who play the game, and end things like Flash Traffic, Liaisons, the Sentinel and Scanline?

How could it be worse?  I'm not arguing your point, I'm asking you to show me.  Show me how it could honestly be worse.  This isn't about "I was here longer, so your opinions are moot to me."  This is about "I remember when this game was being ADVERTISED, and I remember what we were PROMISED.  Therefore, I KNOW what has been taken away from us."

Maybe some of you are content with player-driven content, from a community where 98% of the people would rather not even try, because they know they'll either be bashed for it by someone "better" than they are, or that nobody will show up at all.  Maybe you're content with teleporting from hardline to hardline to hardline, looking for other players who just want to stand around, sit on a bench, and wait for RP or PVP to start.  But if you ask me, that's a pretty sad situation.

You think things could be worse?  I would like to know how.  If your answer is going to be "They could shut down the game," my next question would be "How would that be any worse?"  At least then we'd have a definitive action from the Powers That Be.  At least then, they'd acknowledge our friggin' presence, if only to give us one last kick to the groin.

If you enjoy this game the way it is, then more power to you...   but DO NOT come on this forum and tell us to quit our whining, QQ, cry moar, or lighten up.  Not when you're content with eating out of the garbage can this game currently is, and the rest of us are begging for a simple ham and cheese sandwich on a paper plate.

#36300550993 03/18/2009 07:35:30 Re:Lighten up.

They could shut down one of the servers. Without merging it into another. That would be worse.

#36300550994 03/18/2009 07:48:29 Re:Re:Lighten up.

ZippyTheSquirrel wrote:

They could shut down one of the servers. Without merging it into another. That would be worse.

...Recursion or Vector?  I'm pretty sure only 30 active subscribers would be affected.

#36300550995 03/18/2009 07:50:45 Re:Re:Re:Re:Lighten up.

Phrack wrote:

QuiDormit wrote:

From my understanding, she's not trying to start a riot, she's not trying to tell you to quit, she's not namecalling, but she is telling you to realize that it could definitely be worse.

...How?

[...]

You think things could be worse?  I would like to know how.  If your answer is going to be "They could shut down the game," my next question would be "How would that be any worse?"  At least then we'd have a definitive action from the Powers That Be.  At least then, they'd acknowledge our friggin' presence, if only to give us one last kick to the groin.

I'll concede that having a definitive answer would be more comforting than floating along in space aimlessly.  When you're dealing with a business, that's just not information you'll ever be privvy to.  If a company was going to can one product line at the launch of another (or just can it without any kind of replacement) in say two months, that company isn't going to fly that flag, because that's two months where that product will lose money. 

I'm just saying that we're not going to know well beforehand.  Honestly, we'll be lucky if we know a day beforehand.  Having said that, I think that SOE will keep this game afloat for a while longer.  The costs of keeping this game in its current catatonic state cannot be all that high, and they have more to lose by shutting it down than they have to gain.

I miss the daily live events.  I definitely miss "new" (recycled?) content as well.  However, I've found myself a few groups of people that I enjoy playing the game with, regardless of the fact that we lost that.  Yeah, I know how sad that sounds. 
I do still want more.  I want random interactions with event characters.  I want that feeling of IC cross-organizational hatred with a compelling reason behind it other than "OMG you're a Mech!."  Those days have passed though.  Maybe I'm foolish for it, but I am content to hang out with the friends I've made and RP with them.  There are a surprising number of newbies (at least I'm sure as hell surprised), and I like helping them out and showing them some of the things that this game still has to offer.

So to get to your question, how could it be worse?  It's a matter of perspective, I guess, and I'll give you that.  I certainly have a lot of things left to do in this game at 50 than you have already done.  (Hell, I've only ever run the first 2 PB's...)  And you've proven your point that to those who are at the end of their ropes with this game, a shutdown might not be worse than our current stagnation.  My biggiest issue with this whole mess, and the reason that I'm still talking in this thread, is that a lot of vets see fit to look down on me for still enjoying myself.  That's where my biggest point of contention lies.  So maybe it can't be worse for you, but a shut down would definitely be worse for me. 

I'll rephrase.  "It could be worse (for some of us)."

Also, Phrack, I appreciate your enthusiasm.  Even in all your bitterness and anger at what's happened to this game, you still stood up and made an attempt at something to try and revive this game.  You deserve kudos for RPA, and hopefully it will at the very least gain a draw of old timers and newbies to the game.  My concern is that some of the people who are so outspoken against this game and the people who still enjoy it (and I'm not pointing my finger at you) are also potentailly scaring those people away.

(EDITED to add a word... >.>SMILEY

#36300550996 03/18/2009 07:54:34 Re:Re:Lighten up.

Garu wrote:

Lighten up!

Everyone jumping on everyone is not only not helping the situation.  In fact, it's only destroying the last vistages of what made this game great...the community.  We've been through a lot.  We've seen the best days and the worst this game has to offer and yet here we are.  We're still together but now we're turning on one another. 

And for what?  What is there to prove?  My opinion versus yours?  Who wins that?  How does that fix the game?  How does that help or inspire SOE to give us what we want?

United we stand.  Divided we fail.

Well said sir..

#36300550997 03/18/2009 07:54:55 Re:Lighten up.

All this fighting, please... Garu makes a good point.

Can't we all just enjoy the game together? Or NOT enjoy the game together?

You just never know if you're RP wife is a psychologically insane IC axe murderer. :/
#36300550998 03/18/2009 08:06:33 Re:Re:Lighten up.

ZippyTheSquirrel wrote:

This thread makes me sad. The community is literally tearing itself apart, especially against the younger members trying to keep a positive outlook.

You disappoint me the most, Villemar. Out of all the louder vets that have become negative, I'd have hoped that one of you would be able to keep your posts polite. I guess this issue is finally wearing on everyone. Hm, or maybe I've distanced myself too much and I can't remember who is who, here.

Mea Culpa.  I did react a llittle over the top last night, in a state of cumulative sleep deprivation.  I'm not usually that aggro, nor do I intend to keep going in that direction SMILEY  The peceived tone of the OP really rubbed me the wrong way late last night, is all.

Carry on! 

#36300551000 03/18/2009 08:13:16 Re:Re:Re:Re:Lighten up.

Phrack wrote:

QuiDormit wrote:

From my understanding, she's not trying to start a riot, she's not trying to tell you to quit, she's not namecalling, but she is telling you to realize that it could definitely be worse.

...How?

They could not give us Updates, or New Items, or Live Events?  They could not give us Producer's Letters, or Cinematics, or New Missions?  They could shut down two thirds of our game's servers, drive off the people who play the game, and end things like Flash Traffic, Liaisons, the Sentinel and Scanline?

How could it be worse?  I'm not arguing your point, I'm asking you to show me.  Show me how it could honestly be worse.  This isn't about "I was here longer, so your opinions are moot to me."  This is about "I remember when this game was being ADVERTISED, and I remember what we were PROMISED.  Therefore, I KNOW what has been taken away from us."

Maybe some of you are content with player-driven content, from a community where 98% of the people would rather not even try, because they know they'll either be bashed for it by someone "better" than they are, or that nobody will show up at all.  Maybe you're content with teleporting from hardline to hardline to hardline, looking for other players who just want to stand around, sit on a bench, and wait for RP or PVP to start.  But if you ask me, that's a pretty sad situation.

You think things could be worse?  I would like to know how.  If your answer is going to be "They could shut down the game," my next question would be "How would that be any worse?"  At least then we'd have a definitive action from the Powers That Be.  At least then, they'd acknowledge our friggin' presence, if only to give us one last kick to the groin.

If you enjoy this game the way it is, then more power to you...   but DO NOT come on this forum and tell us to quit our whining, QQ, cry moar, or lighten up.  Not when you're content with eating out of the garbage can this game currently is, and the rest of us are begging for a simple ham and cheese sandwich on a paper plate.


This is why I admire what you're trying to do with Redpill Alliance.  The two opposite wrong tacks to take would be 1) "Shut Up, Be Happy!",   and 2) Venting mindless rage.  And you are walking a sane, thoughtful line without falling into either trap with what you are trying to put together. 

#36300551001 03/18/2009 08:25:12 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lighten up.

QuiDormit wrote:

Phrack wrote:

QuiDormit wrote:

From my understanding, she's not trying to start a riot, she's not trying to tell you to quit, she's not namecalling, but she is telling you to realize that it could definitely be worse.

...How?

[...]

You think things could be worse?  I would like to know how.  If your answer is going to be "They could shut down the game," my next question would be "How would that be any worse?"  At least then we'd have a definitive action from the Powers That Be.  At least then, they'd acknowledge our friggin' presence, if only to give us one last kick to the groin.

I'll concede that having a definitive answer would be more comforting than floating along in space aimlessly.  When you're dealing with a business, that's just not information you'll ever be privvy to.  If a company was going to can one product line at the launch of another (or just can it without any kind of replacement) in say two months, that company isn't going to fly that flag, because that's two months where that product will lose money. 


The sad thing is, all it would take is just a simple bit of occasional communication on the part of Walrus or whomever.  Even if there is no news, I rather hear an occasional courtesy post to that effect.  Public Relations 101.

I disagree with the value of a total wall of silence, to me that's much, much worse and even more insulting and detrimental.

#36300551005 03/18/2009 08:34:39 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lighten up.

Villemar_MxO wrote:

The sad thing is, all it would take is just a simple bit of occasional communication on the part of Walrus or whomever.  Even if there is no news, I rather hear an occasional courtesy post to that effect.  Public Relations 101.

I disagree with the value of a total wall of silence, to me that's much, much worse and even more insulting and detrimental.

I just meant that if SOE was going to pull the plug, they're not going to talk about it, and they're not going to let Walrus or anyone talk about it very far ahead of the action if at all.

I don't like the wall of silence either, and I am by no means saying that we shouldn't ask for updates.  I just think that a lot of people go about it the wrong way.  For instance by saying, "I'm a paying customer, and I demand to know if this game will be shut down or not."  (and to be clear, I don't know if you've ever done this or not, so I'm not necessarily talking to you here.)  That is akin to getting pulled over and telling a cop that your taxes pay his salary.

To be honest, I'm impatiently waiting for some kind of update about something.  Still, I'm not going to let that fact interfere with my experience, because I want to enjoy what I've got while I've got it.

#36300551006 03/18/2009 08:53:29 Re:Lighten up.

Sony won't pull the plug. We're a reminder to the gaming world of what not to do.

#36300551008 03/18/2009 09:03:42 Re:Lighten up.

wake up sheeple!

complainers did 9/11

#36300551011 03/18/2009 09:32:47 Re:Re:Lighten up.

Roukan wrote:

Sony won't pull the plug. We're a reminder to the gaming world of what not to do.

Unlike Tabula Rasa or AOC.

#36300551013 03/18/2009 09:52:10 Re:Lighten up.

I lol'd, you telling people to relax is like me telling people to be positive and hope for the best.

#36300551015 03/18/2009 10:15:46 Re:Lighten up.

So much negitivity lately in the forums has been keeping me in a rotton mood, I think i'm not even going to look anymore and just play the game.

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#36300551021 03/18/2009 10:38:06 Re:Lighten up.

Alright, there's some valid points about stopping the negative whine/drama/anger flux around the forums, but again we have a certain feeling of being "screwed over" by our online game provider - going to a complete halt without any further updates and Producer Letters or any word at all for a month is a long time... granted the game is still the Matrix and new people can still find tons of things to do in it for at least a half year or more, but then things start to dwindle and it's a real shame that things have come to this - I for one would have thought the Warner Bros would step in and support their title more - apparently that's not the case. So lightening up isn't really what's it about - it's about getting someone from either SOE or WB who would listen to the community and see the dedication we (the fans - customers) still put into the game, and hopefully come to some agreement about what could be done to support the 15 bucks that we pay for access to the game world. Even if it's only an update every 2nd month or 3rd month but something that keeps the story alive and the game dynamic. I for one am not missing the live events that much but I am missing new stuff to aquire and I am missing the storyline missions be it grind or critical ones doesn't really matter to me, just dynamic storyline... that's what made this game something "other" than the rest... and that "other" is at the moment lost.

#36300551027 03/18/2009 10:48:49 Re:Lighten up.

I'd be happy with 1 Live Event per month.  To Hell with the new updates...  I can even live without (if I must) the new Critical Missions.  1 Live Event per month, that encompassed all three servers, would wholeheartedly make up for everything we're doing without.

I'm not talking about one of the old Rarebit events, either.  Forget this "Meet, go here, do this, come back, meet, event's over" format.  I want to see supported Live Events, with code bombs, changes to monument textures and skyboxes, and NPC Spawns.  Have someone come in as an Agent and pwn everybody.

Even if you took 1 day out of the month, did it on Recursion, then Syntax, then Vector, and waited another 30 days to do it again, that would be enough.

#36300551029 03/18/2009 10:52:44 Re:Re:Lighten up.

Phrack wrote:

I'd be happy with 1 Live Event per month.  To Hell with the new updates...  I can even live without (if I must) the new Critical Missions.  1 Live Event per month, that encompassed all three servers, would wholeheartedly make up for everything we're doing without.

I'm not talking about one of the old Rarebit events, either.  Forget this "Meet, go here, do this, come back, meet, event's over" format.  I want to see supported Live Events, with code bombs, changes to monument textures and skyboxes, and NPC Spawns.  Have someone come in as an Agent and pwn everybody.

Even if you took 1 day out of the month, did it on Recursion, then Syntax, then Vector, and waited another 30 days to do it again, that would be enough.

Yes, something that you could look forward to as a fun thing to do with your online buddies would work Even if only 1 event per month that affected organizations or in game world places as Phrack said. SMILEY

#36300551030 03/18/2009 10:54:12 Re:Lighten up.

I believe the wise words of Christian Bale ring true here: "What don't you F***ing understand?"

SOE knows full well what the situation is in MxO, they put us here. Seeing how obsessive compulsive some people are about this game will not change the fact that they don't want to support it. If they wanted to support MxO, they would have had someone to replace Rarebit or have more communication with us. You people just need to accept these facts, and roll with it... or cancel your accounts. Because after playing MxO for several years now, everyone should know that nothing ever gets better it only gets worse. All the jelly beans in the world will not save MxO, all the QQing in the world will not save MxO, not even Neo can save MxO. SOE is keeping the servers open for a game that could have been cancelled years ago, so just be thankful for that. Or quit, and go to an MMO that better suits your needs.

#36300551031 03/18/2009 10:56:19 Re:Lighten up.

Christian Bale said he was sorry for his statement. SMILEY

#36300551032 03/18/2009 10:58:13 Re:Lighten up.

Your point?

#36300551038 03/18/2009 11:23:49 Re:Re:Lighten up.

Ebola wrote:

Your point?

SOE != Entire Problem.