Lighten up.

89 posts · 2009-03-17 21:22:48 to 2009-03-24 13:36:20

#36300551039 03/18/2009 11:30:20 Re:Re:Lighten up.

Phrack wrote:

I'd be happy with 1 Live Event per month.  To Hell with the new updates...  I can even live without (if I must) the new Critical Missions.  1 Live Event per month, that encompassed all three servers, would wholeheartedly make up for everything we're doing without.

I'm not talking about one of the old Rarebit events, either.  Forget this "Meet, go here, do this, come back, meet, event's over" format.  I want to see supported Live Events, with code bombs, changes to monument textures and skyboxes, and NPC Spawns.  Have someone come in as an Agent and pwn everybody.

Even if you took 1 day out of the month, did it on Recursion, then Syntax, then Vector, and waited another 30 days to do it again, that would be enough.

QFT!

This is DEFINATELY doable.  The problem is does SOE want to do this?  I think we know the answer to that...

#36300551046 03/18/2009 12:12:14 Re:Re:Re:Lighten up.

Phrack wrote:

ZippyTheSquirrel wrote:

They could shut down one of the servers. Without merging it into another. That would be worse.

...Recursion or Vector?  I'm pretty sure only 30 active subscribers would be affected.


its comments like that , that cause the negative perseption of the game. that site of yours is just as bad, you just focus on whats wrong instead of showcasing the game. if you want a change then you need more subscribers. if you want more subscribers then your sales pitch shouldnt be heres a list of things we used to have while trying to pin the blame on lack of support.  otherwise we would be in the club with Auto Assault, Tabula Rasa and The Sims Online long ago.  who knows there is the posability that mxo operating costs might actually be getting subsidised by the station pass.


#36300551048 03/18/2009 12:16:03 Re:Re:Re:Re:Lighten up.

Tseng. wrote:

Phrack wrote:

ZippyTheSquirrel wrote:

They could shut down one of the servers. Without merging it into another. That would be worse.

...Recursion or Vector?  I'm pretty sure only 30 active subscribers would be affected.


its comments like that , that cause the negative perseption of the game. that site of yours is just as bad, you just focus on whats wrong instead of showcasing the game. if you want a change then you need more subscribers. if you want more subscribers then your sales pitch shouldnt be heres a list of things we used to have while trying to pin the blame on lack of support.  otherwise we would be in the club with Auto Assault, Tabula Rasa and The Sims Online long ago.  who knows there is the posability that mxo operating costs might actually be getting subsidised by the station pass.

I could do without that comment as well Phrack. You don't play on Vector so you wouldnt know the ebb and flow of players who visit our home.

and...

OMG Tseng posted!!

#36300551058 03/18/2009 13:41:50 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lighten up.

machete wrote:

OMG Tseng posted!!


O_O  Is it the real Tseng or just a simulacrum controlled by the General?!

#36300551067 03/18/2009 14:19:32 Re:Lighten up.
I do play on Vector, thank you. SMILEY Just because I don't announce my presence to anyone, when I play different characters, doesn't mean I'm not around.
#36300551132 03/19/2009 04:25:57 Re:Lighten up.

That this is one of the most active threads on the forums speaks volumes.

It's not the Dev's fault. They's always done the best they could with the ever decreasing resources. God knows that's a tough line to walk (I certainly do as one of the few to see a bit more behind the scens than most).

It's not the whining players. They actually care. If they didn't they wouldn't.

It's not the players. They keep coming back (for the most part)

It is a case of a game that was never given the chance it deserved by a company that really didn't care enough to promote it properly. Non-americans were barely even permitted to play let alone encouraged. Heck MxO was never even released in Australia. It was a profit based decision, when what was needed was a decision based on belief. Belief in what this game could have become. Perhaps it was a poorly concieved business model, one truely non-viable in the long run.

The point of subscription length is not so much one of elitism... us players that have been around since the beginning certianly take it a little more personally than some. Who can blame us. We stuck through the thick and thin for a game and a story that really grabbed our imagination. We stayed and invested our time and more not because we payed, but because we cared and believed in a story and game that I still believe is and was truely epic in nature.

The day people stop complaining is the day they stop caring.

Everyone should fear that day.

As for me... well I stopped paying but I've never stopped truly believing that this community is one of the most amazing collection of hearts and minds I ever have been a part of... or ever will.

The friendships forged here extend well beyond the reaches of this game.

I feel sorry for any of the newwer players that have been denied such a significant experience.

Cut them some slack... we were them once.

phiAU - The Kings of Never - noblesse oblige
#36300551135 03/19/2009 05:08:04 Re:Re:Re:Lighten up.

machete wrote:

Phrack wrote:

I'd be happy with 1 Live Event per month.  To Hell with the new updates...  I can even live without (if I must) the new Critical Missions.  1 Live Event per month, that encompassed all three servers, would wholeheartedly make up for everything we're doing without.

I'm not talking about one of the old Rarebit events, either.  Forget this "Meet, go here, do this, come back, meet, event's over" format.  I want to see supported Live Events, with code bombs, changes to monument textures and skyboxes, and NPC Spawns.  Have someone come in as an Agent and pwn everybody.

Even if you took 1 day out of the month, did it on Recursion, then Syntax, then Vector, and waited another 30 days to do it again, that would be enough.

QFT!

This is DEFINATELY doable.  The problem is does SOE want to do this?  I think we know the answer to that...

I'd definitely love for something like this to be done.  I believe the biggest problem with the old event setup was that it was too routine and mundane.  The formulas could only get but so different and plus you have to factor in that holding an event every week day is just unnecessary.  It's clearly what led Rarebit to burning out.

In the old Lith days, the events were generally one week a month with weekend finales involving story characters/big boss.  It was advertised and accessible to everyone.  From fighting off spawns to collecting the most tokens for our org, it was great fun.

Give me that and I'll be super happy.  I'm sure we'd all be!

#36300551153 03/19/2009 09:24:35 Re:Lighten up.

@ OP: I pay for my access to the game and to be able to post here, I think if I want to legitimately complain or state my mind about something, I will.

#36300551156 03/19/2009 09:37:55 Re:Re:Lighten up.

Croesis wrote:

@ OP: I pay for my access to the game and to be able to post here, I think if I want to legitimately complain or state my mind about something, I will.

Until you're banned. They're trying to save you from that.

#36300551161 03/19/2009 10:00:29 Re:Re:Re:Lighten up.

Roukan wrote:

Croesis wrote:

@ OP: I pay for my access to the game and to be able to post here, I think if I want to legitimately complain or state my mind about something, I will.

Until you're banned. They're trying to save you from that.

I don't rate myself as someone who is this forums most negative or outspoken so I'll continue to complain, whine, moan etc.. in the same way as I've always done before. If for some reason I get banned, then it'll be my fault and mine alone, I don't need anyone 'looking out' for me, especially from someone who's personal view of the value of their subscription hasn't fallen year after year.

I wasn't here in Beta, I got here just after the unlimit saga but I've participated in many LE's, player events, kept up with the continuing story etc.. I've also seen the departing of Chadwick, the attention of Walrus change from MxO to the Agency, the loss of the cinematics, loss of LE's and criticals departure of Rarebit etc.. and it's my personal feeling that the value of what we are paying for has decreased somewhat. I know that we are paying for access to the account, but the reason to access the account has waned and cost is starting to get too high.

#36300551166 03/19/2009 10:08:33 Re:Re:Re:Re:Lighten up.

Croesis wrote:

Roukan wrote:

Croesis wrote:

@ OP: I pay for my access to the game and to be able to post here, I think if I want to legitimately complain or state my mind about something, I will.

Until you're banned. They're trying to save you from that.

I don't rate myself as someone who is this forums most negative or outspoken so I'll continue to complain, whine, moan etc.. how I see fit. If I get banned then it'll be my fault and mine alone, I don't need anyone 'looking out' for me, especially unasked.

No one gets banned for crying, moaning, or whining.

#36300551167 03/19/2009 10:19:56 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lighten up.

Virrago wrote:

Croesis wrote:

Roukan wrote:

Croesis wrote:

@ OP: I pay for my access to the game and to be able to post here, I think if I want to legitimately complain or state my mind about something, I will.

Until you're banned. They're trying to save you from that.

I don't rate myself as someone who is this forums most negative or outspoken so I'll continue to complain, whine, moan etc.. how I see fit. If I get banned then it'll be my fault and mine alone, I don't need anyone 'looking out' for me, especially unasked.

No one gets banned for crying, moaning, or whining.

Yay!  *gets ready for a massive QQ bout*

#36300551201 03/19/2009 13:58:45 Re:Re:Re:Lighten up.

MatrixRefugee wrote:

Ebola wrote:

Also, i think the thread title was subliminal messaging. "Lighten Up" as in lighting up a match... to start flames...

CONSPIRACY!

I greatly doubt that: I think she was trying to get people to realize they're only making the situation more miserable than it has to be when they could be using their time, energy and passion to make something good from what we have here.

Don't worry, I immediately detected the sarcasm. I actually laughed out loud.

Anyways, back on topic, sure, it may seem like there is an air of people going around with a pretentious sense of entitlement, but you have to understand that we were promised so much at the beginning, and even though it was a sketchy start, we essentially got what we were promised. Then we had to endure a grueling beating of our legs with a baseball bat (a six month stand still as the transition from Monolith to SOE went on - six months!), and then endure a beating on the ground...with a baseball bat, not because we are stupid and we can't hit the "Cancel" button, but because we saw something amazing and we had hope that we'd see it again.

Okay, let's say somebody did have it up to their neck with disappointment from the game and decided to cancel, where was this die hard Matrix fan who loved the franchise for it's on par to a classic novel of an epic, which means understanding and appreciating the mythos of the sequels supposed to go?

Understand? Sure, some throw the garbage straight to the fan when they start whining, and sure some fool unleashes a Pandora's Box of histrionics, but that happens in any online game - any. Why? For the reason that most people who play online games from top economy countries who don't understand a world where things are not handed to them, so to an extent, you're right some people around here do have a pretentious sense of entitlement, but here, that's hardly the case to people's lament of the case of The Matrix Online's downfall. You didn't see what we had the honor to see.

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#36300551210 03/19/2009 15:26:50 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lighten up.

Virrago wrote:

No one gets banned for crying, moaning, or whining.

You *can*, however, be banned for "excessive negativity," which can be defined as any form of crying, moaning, or whining.

You can't fool me, V.

#36300551211 03/19/2009 15:36:23 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lighten up.

ZippyTheSquirrel wrote:

Virrago wrote:

No one gets banned for crying, moaning, or whining.

You *can*, however, be banned for "excessive negativity," which can be defined as any form of crying, moaning, or whining.

You can't fool me, V.

You can cry, moan, and whine all you want... it just needs to remain polite, civil, friendly, and constructive.

#36300551216 03/19/2009 16:33:35 Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Re:Lighten up.

Virrago wrote:

ZippyTheSquirrel wrote:

Virrago wrote:

No one gets banned for crying, moaning, or whining.

You *can*, however, be banned for "excessive negativity," which can be defined as any form of crying, moaning, or whining.

You can't fool me, V.

You can cry, moan, and whine all you want... it just needs to remain polite, civil, friendly, and constructive.

*perfects his constructive bitterness*

#36300551220 03/19/2009 16:44:14 Re:Lighten up.

The join date regards the date of forum registration. It took me over a year to register on these forums.

#36300551262 03/19/2009 21:44:27 Re:Re:Lighten up.

Darminian wrote:

I lol'd, you telling people to relax is like me telling people to be positive and hope for the best.

Now that you say so, I think I will.

#36300551383 03/20/2009 20:43:01 Re:Lighten up.

Not surprisingly, a lot of individuals have chosen to take personal offense at a message directed at no one person. The language of the original message was meant to be strong enough to shake its reader into thinking about adopting a different perspective than that of the victim. If this point of view angered you, that's unfortunate but maybe it means it holds some truth for you.

My intention is entirely well-meaning here. If I didn't care about this community I wouldn't have risked posting something I thought could eventually help but that I knew would be received as an unpopular point of view. However, for those who are not moved enough to say anything but do happen to share this perspective, I hope that it was a reminder that they aren't alone and don't need to succumb to this wave of negativity that is choking us.

In an effort to push people to step back and zoom out to a broader view of things, it does not seem to have been clear just how broad I meant for it to be. Most backlash has been framed within the same sphere I was hoping to help nudge us out of - that is, the extremely narrow sphere that constitutes our little corner of cyberspace here.

It sounds to me like what most detractors of my message are saying is that I don't and could never understand the depth of their loss and that I'm invalidating their grieving process. Also this set seem to think that new perspectives automatically belong in the garbage for some reason. That's a very reactionary point of view for a crowd inspired primarily by a guy who finally gained his power by learning to believe in his ability to change things.

By no means do I think anybody is wrong to grieve the loss of this fabulous game as it once was (and please don't tell me I don't know how it was, while I've been trying to make a good time out of what IS here, all I've heard about since I got here is the "good old days" - in extensive detail - repeatedly). However, making it into a protracted grievANCE is not helpful to anybody here, including the grievance lobby.

So a major international corporate conglomerate failed to come through for you on your expectations. That's just you, me, and everybody else in the world. Sony is too big to care about what is going on here - that's just how it is with a large corporation. There's only so much personal touch you can expect. And it's just not worthwhile to demand accountability from your entertainment. You won't get it. You'll get told to go elsewhere. If you demand often enough you might eventually get enough attention to get us canned, but that's about it.

My strong suggestion that we all try to look at how much we still have to be thankful for here has been met with almost nothing but retaliatory arguments suggesting that there is "nothing left". This is the crux of my argument - I'm not saying nobody has lost anything. I'm saying that "nothing" is a very relative term. Your idea of "nothing" is not the same as everybody else's. If this looks like nothing to you, I recommend having a look at a bombed out Afghan village or a Brazilian slum sometime.

And that's it - I'm asking you to consider that while you have experienced a loss here, if you let that consume your perspective so much that it stops you from taking responsibility for your own enjoyment, the only person who loses in the end is you.

So I'll repeat - let's show everybody how well we the people can rock this house without any help from The Man.

#36300551399 03/20/2009 21:39:36 Re:Lighten up.

While I can understand your point of view, Kreis...  I find it pretty tasteless and disgusting that you'd compare the loss of this game to a bombed out Afghan village or Brazillian slum.

People who use those kinds of tasteless comparisons really sicken me.  From that viewpoint, everything in your life could be broken down to "Well, it could be worse...  you could be living in a bombed out Afghan village."

Person:  "My mother just got killed in a car crash..."
Kreis:  "Well, it could be worse.  You could've lost your whole family in a Baghdad bombing!"

Do you understand what I'm saying?  I think everyone is fully aware what condition less fortunate areas of the world are in.  And I seriously doubt anyone is running into the street crying to the homeless crackheads about how we lost our developer in MxO.

So seriously, can the self-righteous soapbox crap.  It doesn't have a place here.

People are PO'd because the $15 they pay doesn't get them what it did before.  Let people complain, because they have every right to.

For me...  I don't have a Station Pass.  If I wanted to support other SOE endeavours, I would've gotten one.  Instead, I have a dedicated MxO subcription (used to have three myself, but I've ditched two)...  where the hell is my money going?

#36300551402 03/20/2009 21:56:53 Re:Re:Lighten up.

I'm sure there are people who would say that compared to the beginning, the current state of MxO closely resembles a bombed Afghan village.  So we're back to the question of how it could be worse and we're quickly running out of ways.

#36300551403 03/20/2009 22:15:57 Re:Lighten up.

Kreis wrote:

Not surprisingly, a lot of individuals have chosen to take personal offense at a message directed at no one person.

When you don't direct something at one person, it's meant for a general group.  Looks to me as though a general group responded.

The language of the original message was meant to be strong enough to shake its reader into thinking about adopting a different perspective than that of the victim. If this point of view angered you, that's unfortunate but maybe it means it holds some truth for you.

I could say the same thing about a conversation that happened about a month or two ago in Camon Heights.  Funny how that fits, isn't it?

My intention is entirely well-meaning here. If I didn't care about this community I wouldn't have risked posting something I thought could eventually help but that I knew would be received as an unpopular point of view. However, for those who are not moved enough to say anything but do happen to share this perspective, I hope that it was a reminder that they aren't alone and don't need to succumb to this wave of negativity that is choking us.

By telling us "Stop being spoiled brats, and get the hell over it," you're just as guilty of perpetuating the "wave of negativity" as anyone else.  You don't fix a situation by telling anyone "Well, this is better than that."  You don't tell a r*pe victim "At least he/she didn't kill you."  It fixes nothing, all it does is offend and anger.  You should learn that, as it's an important lesson.

In an effort to push people to step back and zoom out to a broader view of things, it does not seem to have been clear just how broad I meant for it to be. Most backlash has been framed within the same sphere I was hoping to help nudge us out of - that is, the extremely narrow sphere that constitutes our little corner of cyberspace here.

You don't seem to fully fathom that this extremely narrow sphere is our world.  At least, on these forums.  If we wanted a broader view of the world, in its entirety, we'd be hanging out on CNN.com, not here.  This is what we care about, or we wouldn't be here.  You're not getting us out of this sphere, and you're only going to anger us by trying.

It sounds to me like what most detractors of my message are saying is that I don't and could never understand the depth of their loss and that I'm invalidating their grieving process. Also this set seem to think that new perspectives automatically belong in the garbage for some reason. That's a very reactionary point of view for a crowd inspired primarily by a guy who finally gained his power by learning to believe in his ability to change things.

First of all, who are you to talk about our reactionary point of view, when you button your lip and walk off at the first sign of a conversation you potentially won't like?  Secondly, our inspiration is derived from a LOT more than a singal fictional character.  If you really think us so simple, then perhaps you should look to horizons more fitting of your "broad" mindset.

By no means do I think anybody is wrong to grieve the loss of this fabulous game as it once was (and please don't tell me I don't know how it was, while I've been otrying to make a good time out of what IS here, all I've heard about since I got here is the "good old days" - in extensive detail - repeatedly). However, making it into a protracted grievANCE is not helpful to anybody here, including the grievance lobby.

And in what way is telling us how "sucking it up" going to change that particular equation to one that benefits us as a community?  You need to understand, Kreis, that a number of us (not just I) have been trying like hell, for four plus years now, to keep this community moving in a positive and constructive direction, only to have one support beam cut out from under us, after another.  If you've got some miracle "fix all", then by all means, hit us with it.  I'll kiss your feet if you do.  But if it's just "look on the bright side," then I'm sure I'm not alone in saying that I'm not interested.

So a major international corporate conglomerate failed to come through for you on your expectations. That's just you, me, and everybody else in the world. Sony is too big to care about what is going on here - that's just how it is with a large corporation. There's only so much personal touch you can expect. And it's just not worthwhile to demand accountability from your entertainment. You won't get it. You'll get told to go elsewhere. If you demand often enough you might eventually get enough attention to get us canned, but that's about it.

BS.  Two corporate conglomerates failed to DO WHAT THEY SAID THEY WERE GOING TO DO.  It's called false advertising, and it's an infringement on player's rights.  We're expected to sit down and shut up, because there's a EULA and a TOS to keep us in line and protect them from any wrongdoing on any behalf.  Because it's "just a game," we're expected to shut up and sit down.  When in actuality, no, we don't need to.  When Wal-Mart advertises "The Lowest Prices in Town," and you go there with another store's lower price, do you expect them to do what they avertise and match that price?  It's called ACCOUNTABILITY.  You do what you advertise, or you deal with a lot of unhappy customers.  That's exactly what this is.  Because it revolves around a game is NO DIFFERENT than if it revolved around any other financial enterprise.

My strong suggestion that we all try to look at how much we still have to be thankful for here has been met with almost nothing but retaliatory arguments suggesting that there is "nothing left". This is the crux of my argument - I'm not saying nobody has lost anything. I'm saying that "nothing" is a very relative term. Your idea of "nothing" is not the same as everybody else's. If this looks like nothing to you, I recommend having a look at a bombed out Afghan village or a Brazilian slum sometime.

Afghanistan and Brazil have what to do with a MMO that was based on an ONGOING STORYLINE?!  Maybe you haven't done all of the neighborhood missions.  Most of us have, and were told we'd get much, much, more.  Maybe you haven't done all of the Archive Missions.  Most of us have, and were told that we'd get much, much, more.  Maybe you haven't completed the majority of the in-game quests, dungeons, or archive constructs, but WE HAVE.  And like it or not, sweetie, we're the majority.  New players in this game, regardless of what anyone says, are far and few between...  and yes, the ones that do come in are usually run off by the negativity of the community (which is perpetuated by our continued mistreatment.)  You want to have fun with the content that's already here, GG, go right ahead, nobody will fault you, but DO NOT tell us to be happy with what we have.  It is NOT your place.

And that's it - I'm asking you to consider that while you have experienced a loss here, if you let that consume your perspective so much that it stops you from taking responsibility for your own enjoyment, the only person who loses in the end is you.

I've taken responsibility for MY OWN enjoyment for a long time.  In fact, I, like many others, have taken responsibility for OTHERS enjoyment as well.  I've run countless events, just like the other players here.  I've taken countless players on hardline tours, leveling groups, and so on, until I've gotten blue in the face.  But what do you do when you lose the audience?  We came here because of the promise of being entertained by the storyline that "Picks up where the Matrix Revolutions left off, and goes on from there."  Well, you know what?  It just ended...  so ask me why they haven't canceled us yet.

So I'll repeat - let's show everybody how well we the people can rock this house without any help from The Man.

#36300551404 03/20/2009 22:24:10 Re:Re:Lighten up.

Phrack wrote:

A bunch of fantastic things that made me laugh.

The end... before it's removed.

~Darminian

#36300551409 03/20/2009 23:13:10 Re:Lighten up.

I think it is fully valid to expect to receive that which was promised, and I don't think that censoring oneself is necessarily an answer either... We all love the game for the alternate reality it represents, and it is definitely helped along when we get new content, events etc... However, we all need to face the reality that it's not going to happen no matter how loud our individual voices are.

The only hope we can have for Sony to put more money into something is to think about it from an economical perspective.  A handful of the same irate voices will not change anything. One collective voice? Perhaps... The game continuing on and people still enjoying it .... perhaps even better. Even then, I wouldn't get my hopes up. So we have a reality to face.... things are not going to get better - period. 

At some point an ultimate decision will have to be made... either cancel your subscription, or keep playing and make the best of it.... we all know Kreis is choosing option B. Doesn't mean you are wrong or bad for choosing option A. But it shouldn't make her a target either.

Realize that I empathize, but am also realistic.

#36300551439 03/21/2009 08:38:25 Re:Lighten up.

The logic is very, very faulty here IMHO.  Maybe they should charge $30 or $50 for a monthly subscription rate for MxO, because simply to jack in to an mmo with no content is an honor and a priveledge, and we should be fotunate that SOE allows us to pay them to jack into a dead game, and that it is insolent and offensive to ever question them or even to give an explanation of exactly what we should expect to get for our subscripion fees.  After all, All Corporations are Always right All the time.* 

*Just ask AIG, General Motors, Bear Stearns, Washington Mutual, Circuit City, Madoff Investment Group, etc....OK maybe not the best analogy but certainly no worse than your bombed out Afghan village spiel.

#36300551455 03/21/2009 12:08:49 Re:Lighten up.

To paraphrase the put-upon GM in the D&D-clone gaming session in a famous "Something*Positive" webcomic:

"The Matrix crashes! Everyone dies!"

#36300551471 03/21/2009 14:49:15 Re:Re:Lighten up.

LeMinou wrote:

At some point an ultimate decision will have to be made... either cancel your subscription, or keep playing and make the best of it....

this

For the new players I see checking in, please don't get the wrong idea from the discontent you may read on some of the theads.  You have plenty of stuff to do for a while.

#36300551632 03/23/2009 03:11:07 Re:Lighten up.

Exactly JE, there is a fair bit to do ingame. Just cause theres gonna be no new stuff, doesn't mean that we have nothing. Back when i first started playing, i don't think we had many updates after CR2 went live. Should i have cancelled my sub back then cause of little to no updates?

The game is the same lol I started playing for pvp so well that hasn't changed. People are still there to RP and farm with, as long as they don't get driven away with, 'oh this game is dead', 'no updates, no LE's.' Thats all i piggin hear, no wonder the numbers have dropped if everyone is being so dismal lol

At this point in time, its up to the community to make the game. Make events, tell people about them, turn up for them.

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#36300551639 03/23/2009 04:29:16 Re:Re:Lighten up.

The_Bruceter wrote:

Exactly JE, there is a fair bit to do ingame. Just cause theres gonna be no new stuff, doesn't mean that we have nothing. Back when i first started playing, i don't think we had many updates after CR2 went live. Should i have cancelled my sub back then cause of little to no updates?

The game is the same lol I started playing for pvp so well that hasn't changed. People are still there to RP and farm with, as long as they don't get driven away with, 'oh this game is dead', 'no updates, no LE's.' Thats all i piggin hear, no wonder the numbers have dropped if everyone is being so dismal lol

At this point in time, its up to the community to make the game. Make events, tell people about them, turn up for them.


Yeah but I don't think you can sustain a monthly subscription based MMO - especially one whose primary appeal is dynamic, interactive, and ongoing-storyline-based - with a zero-content game.  Especially in this economy!  I just dont see how you can do that.  Have you ever been cruising along the highway at 70 mph and thrown your car into "Park?"  Lol same idea, generally unadvised SMILEY

#36300551644 03/23/2009 04:46:50 Re:Lighten up.

lol nice analagy (sp? gah who cares )

Yeah i see what your saying but well, we're on the station pass. While people like it or not, that is what is keeping us alive. The more people that decide to unsub cause of no new content, its them thats killing the game..

There is still alot to do ingame. As i'v said, i play to pvp so nothing has changed there (apart from the amount of people logging in at the one time, only reason i miss LE's.) I do wish they would make spawning tools though. Would help with events and general boredom.

Oh also some kind of auto flagging thing that players could control, that would own ha ha

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#36300551679 03/23/2009 09:36:03 Re:Re:Lighten up.

The_Bruceter wrote:

lol nice analagy (sp? gah who cares )

Yeah i see what your saying but well, we're on the station pass. While people like it or not, that is what is keeping us alive. The more people that decide to unsub cause of no new content, its them thats killing the game..

There is still alot to do ingame. As i'v said, i play to pvp so nothing has changed there (apart from the amount of people logging in at the one time, only reason i miss LE's.) I do wish they would make spawning tools though. Would help with events and general boredom.

Oh also some kind of auto flagging thing that players could control, that would own ha ha


It's not the people unsubbing that's killing the game...  it's the REASON people are unsubbing that's killing the game.

#36300551681 03/23/2009 09:56:50 Re:Re:Re:Lighten up.

Fen wrote:

...it's the REASON people are unsubbing that's killing the game.

Truth.

Case in point...If none of my friends are online, I'm not online.  If I'm not hanging out with them, I've got NO reason to be on.  No story.  No content.  Nada.  Sad panda.

#36300551682 03/23/2009 10:07:04 Re:Lighten up.

Exactly, thats what we're seeing everyday. People log in, friends ain't on so they log.

Why did people log in daily? LE's.

So maybe the community needs to try and stick together that bit tighter and maybe do something. Faction events or something, i donno. I ain't a thinker

98% Of teenagers surround their minds with rap music, if you're part of the 2% that stayed with Metal, put this in your signature. :P +1
#36300551684 03/23/2009 10:36:38 Re:Re:Lighten up.

The_Bruceter wrote:

Exactly, thats what we're seeing everyday. People log in, friends ain't on so they log.

Why did people log in daily? LE's.

So maybe the community needs to try and stick together that bit tighter and maybe do something. Faction events or something, i donno. I ain't a thinker


I don't know what the solution is.  Its like both hands are tied behind our backs now with absolute zero support.  I can think of some bandaids to allieviate the situation alittle...like a server merge, unlocking the Halloween masks and/or other older content, maybe even a reduced monthly rate.   But I don't know if they're even willing to do that.

So...who knows?  Looking forward to the Producer's Letter, at least bad news is better than no news.  I think we just want to know where we stand so we can proceed from there.

#36300551804 03/24/2009 04:43:09 Re:Lighten up.

Somewhere, on a distant shore, NT is doing the I-told-you-so dance.

phiAU - The Kings of Never - noblesse oblige
#36300551811 03/24/2009 05:46:52 Re:Re:Lighten up.

phi wrote:

Somewhere, on a distant shore, NT is doing the I-told-you-so dance.

...It's not that distant of a shore.  SMILEY  Oh, wait.  It is for you.  My bad.

#36300551832 03/24/2009 09:20:11 Re:Re:Re:Re:Lighten up.

Garu wrote:

Fen wrote:

...it's the REASON people are unsubbing that's killing the game.

Truth.

Case in point...If none of my friends are online, I'm not online.  If I'm not hanging out with them, I've got NO reason to be on.  No story.  No content.  Nada.  Sad panda.

Word. The only reason why I still log in is Cookie and we only go online to farm stuff and help out people.

#36300551850 03/24/2009 11:28:22 Re:Lighten up.

Persephone wrote:

Yet more proof that they do not have the heart of a true artist. No...their heart must be something else altogether.

#36300551881 03/24/2009 13:36:20 Re:Re:Lighten up.

CODEMAN wrote:

Persephone wrote:

Yet more proof that they do not have the heart of a true artist. No...their heart must be something else altogether.

...this is the sad part in all of this.