171 posts · 2008-12-04 20:24:19 to 2008-12-19 07:38:26
Shinryu wrote:
Hmm.. the Architect and a very ticked off Pace, this should be good.
Oh, and Rare, is there any way you could at least let the loading area music keep playing during the cine if not use one of the already in game tracks for the "soundtrack?" In my eyes, the total silence was the one let down during what was an excellent first outing for the new cines.
I second every word here.
Yep, would rock! =)
Shinryu wrote:
Hmm.. the Architect and a very ticked off Pace, this should be good.
Oh, and Rare, is there any way you could at least let the loading area music keep playing during the cine if not use one of the already in game tracks for the "soundtrack?" In my eyes, the total silence was the one let down during what was an excellent first outing for the new cines.
It was something we discussed here last time, and I ran the idea by Dracomet, but didn't manage to get definite word on feasibility. He's the guy who had to *disable* game music for the old cinematics, because it used to play over their own sound tracks; so now we'd have to have a sort of two-tiered system where it doesn't play over the old ones but does over the new ones. Probably doable but there've been some higher-priority things we needed him to get done, so I haven't been leaning on anyone about it yet.
Rarebit wrote:
Shinryu wrote:
Hmm.. the Architect and a very ticked off Pace, this should be good.
Oh, and Rare, is there any way you could at least let the loading area music keep playing during the cine if not use one of the already in game tracks for the "soundtrack?" In my eyes, the total silence was the one let down during what was an excellent first outing for the new cines.
It was something we discussed here last time, and I ran the idea by Dracomet, but didn't manage to get definite word on feasibility. He's the guy who had to *disable* game music for the old cinematics, because it used to play over their own sound tracks; so now we'd have to have a sort of two-tiered system where it doesn't play over the old ones but does over the new ones. Probably doable but there've been some higher-priority things we needed him to get done, so I haven't been leaning on anyone about it yet.
Then would it be easier to just add in one of the in game tracks?
Steelle wrote:
Rarebit wrote:
Shinryu wrote:
Hmm.. the Architect and a very ticked off Pace, this should be good.
Oh, and Rare, is there any way you could at least let the loading area music keep playing during the cine if not use one of the already in game tracks for the "soundtrack?" In my eyes, the total silence was the one let down during what was an excellent first outing for the new cines.
It was something we discussed here last time, and I ran the idea by Dracomet, but didn't manage to get definite word on feasibility. He's the guy who had to *disable* game music for the old cinematics, because it used to play over their own sound tracks; so now we'd have to have a sort of two-tiered system where it doesn't play over the old ones but does over the new ones. Probably doable but there've been some higher-priority things we needed him to get done, so I haven't been leaning on anyone about it yet.
Then would it be easier to just add in one of the in game tracks?
To be honest, I also like this idea. But Rarebit said it would considerably increase the download time, which he obviously didn't want to happen.
Anyway, as I rather download the cinematics to my HD than watch them ingame, I find it sad that they have to be completely silent...
Vinia wrote:
Hmm... Pace getting... inhabited... by the BIP? (Wasn't there some wild theories that Pace has some Trinity in her at one point?) Anyhow, programming goes awry, Goes on a mad exile/Zion killing spree.
Chapter 12 baddie... Ex Agent Pace?
Pace becomes this iteration's answer to Smith?
...Bring it on.
Wait, then that would preclude the return of the One... Hm...
Just starting on the background figures in this one.
Rarebit wrote:
Just starting on the background figures in this one.
Well, that's certainly rather creepy...
Well, I'm certainly not a specialist in drawings, but I like what you do, Rare. Mostly. 
Control, we may have a problem.
Looks kinda like the short haired "Real" Veil... but she doesn't look like that in the Matrix... or does she now?
Ebola wrote:
Looks kinda like the short haired "Real" Veil... but she doesn't look like that in the Matrix... or does she now?
Ebola wrote:
Looks kinda like the short haired "Real" Veil... but she doesn't look like that in the Matrix... or does she now?
That was my first thought too... it does look like Real Veil VS Pace... but that regularly shouldn't be able to happen.
She's on a killing spree!
<3 Veil
Rarebit wrote:
I wonder if the BIP minds that there is a gunfight going on through the middle of it? "Hey don't mind me"
Silenci0 wrote:
She's on a killing spree!
<3 Veil
it's quite simple. Veil and Pace both shoot at the BIP, but ah, the BIP is intangible, so the bullets go through it, ergo Pace and Veil shoot each other. 2 more off the blacklist.yay!
Rarebit wrote:
KevinX wrote:
thought everyone was left handed with handguns. o.O
Oh... oh my...
You're going to animate walking?
Respect+9033.
why would everyone be left handed with guns? am i missing the point or.../facepalm
ZippyTheSquirrel wrote:
Oh... oh my...
You're going to animate walking?
Respect+9033.
Oh goodness no. Animating walking is nuts. It's interesting once you start watching for it in animation, to see all the ways that animators shortcut it. Disney used to animate full-body walking and running and the time, but that was a different time, and besides they had mad skills. I have a feeling they don't do it so much anymore. Not that I've watched any of the new Disney stuff in like the last decade or so, come to think of it.
I did have to get someone in and out of a room in the middle of the main scene, though, and it needed to be clear that walking was involved, so I've had to come up with some cheating of my own. Haven't tried animating it yet, so not entirely sure it'll work.
NeoExcidious wrote:
why would everyone be left handed with guns? am i missing the point or.../facepalm
I think he meant that when you use a single pistol in the game, it's held in the character's left hand. Pretty weird once you realize it. Fortunately I'm not stuck with that for a cinematic--it seems to me that the Machines would only make right-handed Agents--uniformity, efficiency, and all that--but it did lead to the interesting issue of how to have Pace do /touchearpiece while holding a gun on someone.
When I storyboarded it, at first I just had her touch her ear with her right hand, then going back through it I realized her gun had disappeared. At that point I just threw up my hands and said oh my gosh this is impossible, so she just stows her gun in zero time in the camera transition, whatever, nobody will notice.
When I came back again to draw the final art for that bit, I realized that was silly, and I needed to think of something. How do you touch your right ear while holding a gun on someone with your right hand? Simple, you just cross your left hand over your chest and up to your right ear; it was just that we've never seen that in the game, I think, that caused me to take so long to realize it. So now we have a left-handed /touchearpiece in the cinematic, and it has this spiffy (relative to my drawing ability) subtle effect of making Pace look pretty stressed, since she's juggling separate issues with each hand, while looking at a third.
NeoExcidious wrote:
why would everyone be left handed with guns? am i missing the point or.../facepalm
more stylish.
@Rarebit I just failed to understand why you think right handed is more efficient. o.O
KevinX wrote:
@Rarebit I just failed to understand why you think right handed is more efficient. o.O
Not necessarily more effecient, but the majority of people are right-handed.
Rarebit wrote:
How do you touch your right ear while holding a gun on someone with your right hand? Simple, you just cross your left hand over your chest and up to your right ear; it was just that we've never seen that in the game.
In my experience wearing an earpiece, I've always had it to my left side as I'm right handed.. avoids that sort of thing altogther, and in a hostile situation you'd probably want to avoid standing there with your arm crossing your chest anyway.
KevinX wrote:
NeoExcidious wrote:
why would everyone be left handed with guns? am i missing the point or.../facepalm
more stylish.
@Rarebit I just failed to understand why you think right handed is more efficient. o.O
I think he just meant in terms of the coding of things within the Agent program. It's not necessarily more efficient to be right handed. Rather than deal with the intricacies of coding up a left handed version of an Agent and a right handed version of an Agent, however, if you just make them all right handed it would be more efficient and straight forward.
Shinryu wrote:
Rarebit wrote:
How do you touch your right ear while holding a gun on someone with your right hand? Simple, you just cross your left hand over your chest and up to your right ear; it was just that we've never seen that in the game.
In my experience wearing an earpiece, I've always had it to my left side as I'm right handed.. avoids that sort of thing altogther, and in a hostile situation you'd probably want to avoid standing there with your arm crossing your chest anyway.
Sounds like you could teach the Machines something, operative. :)
Did the Agents in the movies always wear their earpieces on the right, like they have them in the game? I think they did, but I'd have to look it up too be sure. Ooh, something I can watch for when I go through the Blu-ray versions over the holidays!
Rarebit wrote:
Did the Agents in the movies always wear their earpieces on the right, like they have them in the game?
Yeap.
I meant both of those things, actually. As a lefty, I've noticed that when handedness matters with an item, and there's only one version of the item, the item has usually been designed for the right hand. Which is the correct decision I guess, since more people are right-handed. So, it would be more efficient for the Agents to be right-handed, because that would let them interact with the right-handed-biased world more efficiently.
Here's another type of animation shortcut trick I have to get better with:
Seems they are on the right side.
Even though right handed is more used. It is wrong and reminds of .. well, people say pictures are worht thousand words.
Apparently the Assassin was left handed in the cinematics 1.3 and 2.2 .. on 3.1 he was left handed. O.o
Oh them wacky animators. ^
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Here's an example of the ugly way I sometimes go about laying out a scene--quick blobbos to get the scale, perspective, and poses figured out before I start trying to draw them in a more detailed way.
Ever tried making something that looks like that in-game? Would be scary as heck.
Well, *sort* of in a way more like this maybe
hehe they look like they are extremely buffed to the max :O
Imagine though.. a blobby disjointed texture on a basic model and surrounded by a blobby FX to match so you can't tell which parts are skeleton and which parts aren't. IL combat would look like it's swallowing people...
OOOOHHH me likey
Rarebit wrote:
Oh them wacky animators. ^
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Here's an example of the ugly way I sometimes go about laying out a scene--quick blobbos to get the scale, perspective, and poses figured out before I start trying to draw them in a more detailed way.
This is so ugly that it's enough to win an Art Deco competition lol
Do not take Art Deco's name in vain!
Whoa.
Why can't Thursday be here already, ugh.
ArchDuke wrote:
Whoa.
Why can't Thursday be here already, ugh.
Thats exactly what Im thinking, but its almost here so yay!
