Merge

Aye he did.. Said no plans on doing it, and they can't anyways, no-one knows how to do it  (something along they lines anyways)

The_Bruceter wrote:

Aye he did.. Said no plans on doing it, and they can't anyways, no-one knows how to do it  (something along they lines anyways)

Its all unofficial until he stops hiding from us and says as much here in this thread or elsewhere officially.  I'm sorry I was at that party (came late because I was working at my day job) and did not hear anything like that.  Also, the entire MxO community was not at that party and it was not screened or documented.  Either way, if the orders came from on high to merge the two servers believe me it would happen despite Walrus' opinion per this hearsay you've reported.

In regards to Vector Bruce I luvs ya man but there is much, much more to Vector than only PVP and I kinda wish you wouldn't constantly give the impression to the nonhostile players that the server only revolves around PVP solely and excluseively 24/7 and nothing nothing nothing else at all   Cause it isn't theres much more to Vector than that, its a very dynamic and fun server with a great community.   

But I do agree with you that an option should be made available to transfer characters to Vector!  I think 6 slots for Vector and six slots for Syncursion, two servers, one hostile / one nonhostile. 

I'm like 90% certain he said it, sure other people have said he said it aswell.

To me, there is only pvp in this game. Thats why it will seem as though i come across like that. Yeah there is the community, and vector does have a tightly knit community at that. Hardly any trashing etc nowadays which is better. Can't say the same for syntax, too many bodys not fighting, too much lip ha ha

Brucey has a point.

all im in this game for is the pvp, combat system(which i havnt found another mmo with a similar interlock system) and the community.

This game has the best community out of all the mmos iv played and the best pvp.

id like for a merge like iv said afew times and i would like a char transfer so i could move my 30 to vector to finish levelling but it wont be done at all/for awhile.

Ok so I'm going to throw up one argument here which hopefully might just convince some of you. The rest of you will probably just read over it in an attempt to shield yourselves from the truth or some may find a valid counterpoint in it we shall see.

Now, I'm going to state 3 assumptions.

1) SOE does not care about the state of MxO, only that it continues to make a profit against the cost of maintaining the servers.

2) The majority of players here are die hard fans of the Matrix series and will not leave till the servers shut off.

3) SOE has a relatively good business head on it.

Now the first ever (proper) thread about a server merge was made 12th March 2006 which is more than 3 years ago now and can be found here. Now this thread only briefly touched on the issue and never went into any depth but it was after the CR2 update and around about the time of the exodus from MxO due to the combat system change. Back then some of us had suspicions about the future of this game and due to assumption 3, so did SOE.

The second thread which covered the topic more broadly was made on the 9th July 2007 and can be found here. Now during that time I'm sure we were finding our respective servers slightly less crowded than they used to be which using assumption 3 again SOE will probably have predicted that the game will be going downhill from there especially from this point onwards we saw a slow but steady demise of MxO resources.

Now we have 2 threads here that show a population problem 3 years ago and a 1 year 9 months ago which to be honest I don't see how any business couldn't have noticed since they're the ones with the official figures. The fact that they started draining resources confirms my first assumption since they never really attempted to breathe new life into the game, with the exception of CR2 which incidentally was a monumental failure in terms of population.

Now if we have players who can see this and have the idea of a server merge then I think it's reasonable to assume also that SOE who have a good number of people experienced in managing online games from a business aspect, will have also come up with the idea at some point down the line.

So essentially SOE could either, do the server merge which will cost lots of money and may increase the server population yes but it wouldn't remove the negative reputation that MxO has and we still wouldn't have as large a population as the majority of other MMO's out now so therefore we probably won't make the money back.

On the other hand SOE could leave it as it is taking into account that a lot of players have stated that they will be here till the end on the forums which won't cost them any money and they can be reasonably sure that the income won't drop drastically, which could happen if the server merge failed and they lost all the data on Syntax and Recursion.

So to put into a few sentences, SOE would rather spend as little money as possible to maximise their profits from the game rather than put in lots of money in an idea which may or may not increase the games total population or worst case scenario could make 2/3 of the game vanish in an instant due to the servers failing upon merge.

Again I'll state that I don't think the merge is a bad idea in principle, in fact it's a good idea. It’s just that it would be a big gamble for SOE to commit the amounts of money required with little or no increase in subscriptions.

Denary wrote:

Ok so I'm going to throw up one argument here which hopefully might just convince some of you. The rest of you will probably just read over it in an attempt to shield yourselves from the truth or some may find a valid counterpoint in it we shall see.

Now, I'm going to state 3 assumptions.

1) SOE does not care about the state of MxO, only that it continues to make a profit against the cost of maintaining the servers.

2) The majority of players here are die hard fans of the Matrix series and will not leave till the servers shut off.

3) SOE has a relatively good business head on it.

Now the first ever (proper) thread about a server merge was made 12th March 2006 which is more than 3 years ago now and can be found here. Now this thread only briefly touched on the issue and never went into any depth but it was after the CR2 update and around about the time of the exodus from MxO due to the combat system change. Back then some of us had suspicions about the future of this game and due to assumption 3, so did SOE.

The second thread which covered the topic more broadly was made on the 9th July 2007 and can be found here. Now during that time I'm sure we were finding our respective servers slightly less crowded than they used to be which using assumption 3 again SOE will probably have predicted that the game will be going downhill from there especially from this point onwards we saw a slow but steady demise of MxO resources.

Now we have 2 threads here that show a population problem 3 years ago and a 1 year 9 months ago which to be honest I don't see how any business couldn't have noticed since they're the ones with the official figures. The fact that they started draining resources confirms my first assumption since they never really attempted to breathe new life into the game, with the exception of CR2 which incidentally was a monumental failure in terms of population.

Now if we have players who can see this and have the idea of a server merge then I think it's reasonable to assume also that SOE who have a good number of people experienced in managing online games from a business aspect, will have also come up with the idea at some point down the line.

So essentially SOE could either, do the server merge which will cost lots of money and may increase the server population yes but it wouldn't remove the negative reputation that MxO has and we still wouldn't have as large a population as the majority of other MMO's out now so therefore we probably won't make the money back.

On the other hand SOE could leave it as it is taking into account that a lot of players have stated that they will be here till the end on the forums which won't cost them any money and they can be reasonably sure that the income won't drop drastically, which could happen if the server merge failed and they lost all the data on Syntax and Recursion.

So to put into a few sentences, SOE would rather spend as little money as possible to maximise their profits from the game rather than put in lots of money in an idea which may or may not increase the games total population or worst case scenario could make 2/3 of the game vanish in an instant due to the servers failing upon merge.

Again I'll state that I don't think the merge is a bad idea in principle, in fact it's a good idea. It’s just that it would be a big gamble for SOE to commit the amounts of money required with little or no increase in subscriptions.

You raise some very good points here.  My counterarguments are as follows.  (Not saying you're completely wrong but I did want to play Devil's Advocite a bit here).

1) SOE does not care about the state of MxO, only that it continues to make a profit against the cost of maintaining the servers.

At a certain point they will be forced to care.  No development no storyline no content no communication will not lead to anything other than steady attrition that will increase as time goes on.

2) The majority of players here are die hard fans of the Matrix series and will not leave till the servers shut off.

Even the most diehard fans who made this commitment didn't anticipate MxO as a no development no storyline no content no communication forevermore MMO at the same subscription rate.  I mean, I dont think there's a precedent for that kind of thing in the world of mmo's.  I know a lot of us who made that commitment (myself included) still will stay a couple months to finish up their business and enjoy the last moments with their friends, but after that it makes absolutely no sense.  After a certain point people still playing this game will be kind of like a 45 year old man who still wears his high school varsity jacket...sad and pathetic, lol

3) SOE has a relatively good business head on it.

I dunno about that.  You can't live on the glory days of EQ forever.

Bottom line is they have to do something...even if they want to maintain MxO as a Legacy game you have to invest resources in it to maintain it as a Legacy game.   Or keep it non-Legacy and hire a dev! 

The alternative?  Do nothing and let the game die a slow painful death by attrition, be forced to lose their status as never having shut down a game before, and alienate a lage group of players that will never buy an SOE product again, not to mention looking worse in the eyes of the mmo community for their second Epic Fail, first SWG now MxO.

I have no doubt that the only major step left for MxO, as far as SOE is currently concerned, is to shut it down.

However, it doesn't hurt to ask. Maybe a miracle will happen.

Walrus wrote:

VenomusV wrote:

So, is SOE going to be moving someone over to work on MxO... or are we really done with updates? Perhaps Virrago or Walrus can answer the most asked question in this thread.

Update 66 is due out a week from Thursday. Things after that are a bit hazy at the moment, although we do have an anniversary coming up (quickly) in March. Once there's a firmer plan in place, I'll be able to better answer that question.

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We ever hear anything else about this? lol

Gerik wrote:

Walrus wrote:

VenomusV wrote:

So, is SOE going to be moving someone over to work on MxO... or are we really done with updates? Perhaps Virrago or Walrus can answer the most asked question in this thread.

Update 66 is due out a week from Thursday. Things after that are a bit hazy at the moment, although we do have an anniversary coming up (quickly) in March. Once there's a firmer plan in place, I'll be able to better answer that question.

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We ever hear anything else about this? lol

Here's the plan: nothing.

Genius, isn't it?

Neoteny wrote:

Gerik wrote:

Walrus wrote:

VenomusV wrote:

So, is SOE going to be moving someone over to work on MxO... or are we really done with updates? Perhaps Virrago or Walrus can answer the most asked question in this thread.

Update 66 is due out a week from Thursday. Things after that are a bit hazy at the moment, although we do have an anniversary coming up (quickly) in March. Once there's a firmer plan in place, I'll be able to better answer that question.

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We ever hear anything else about this? lol

Here's the plan: nothing.

Genius, isn't it?

Pretty pro.

Gerik wrote:

Neoteny wrote:

Gerik wrote:

Walrus wrote:

VenomusV wrote:

So, is SOE going to be moving someone over to work on MxO... or are we really done with updates? Perhaps Virrago or Walrus can answer the most asked question in this thread.

Update 66 is due out a week from Thursday. Things after that are a bit hazy at the moment, although we do have an anniversary coming up (quickly) in March. Once there's a firmer plan in place, I'll be able to better answer that question.

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We ever hear anything else about this? lol

Here's the plan: nothing.

Genius, isn't it?

Pretty pro.

Awesome business model.

Welcome to the Matricks Offline.

ShiXinFeng wrote:

I have no doubt that the only major step left for MxO, as far as SOE is currently concerned, is to shut it down.

However, it doesn't hurt to ask. Maybe a miracle will happen.

I would say it never hurts to hope...but people here are known to throw stones at a moments notice.

Garu wrote:

Welcome to the Matricks Offline.

Whoa! Ive been waiting for that one. Let me know!

Just for everyone's information. The player who started this thread left the game long time ago, wonder why?

Mindsweep wrote:

Just for everyone's information. The player who started this thread left the game long time ago, wonder why?

Avath last posted on the 04/25/2009 17:14:00 on this thread!?

Maybe you should at least check what you're posting before you actually post it....?

Denary wrote:

Avath last posted on the 04/25/2009 17:14:00 on this thread!?

Maybe you should at least check what you're posting before you actually post it....?

3 days or 3 months is irrelevant.  It doesn't change the fact that the OP has unsubbed which is all that Mindsweep appeared to be pointing out (aside from the implication that the departure was relative to the discussion of this thread).

>_>

Garu wrote:

Denary wrote:

Avath last posted on the 04/25/2009 17:14:00 on this thread!?

Maybe you should at least check what you're posting before you actually post it....?

3 days or 3 months is irrelevant.  It doesn't change the fact that the OP has unsubbed which is all that Mindsweep appeared to be pointing out (aside from the implication that the departure was relative to the discussion of this thread).

>_>

Well I'm under the impression that they're just bugged out of the forum like the 90% of us yesterday were since there are a few other members who have recently posted within the last week who generally have a low rank who are now Jacked Out.

So she probably hasn't left she's just bugged out like the rest of us were. Maybe I'm wrong but still..... he should at least check the claims he makes before posting.

Denary wrote:

Garu wrote:

Denary wrote:

Avath last posted on the 04/25/2009 17:14:00 on this thread!?

Maybe you should at least check what you're posting before you actually post it....?

3 days or 3 months is irrelevant.  It doesn't change the fact that the OP has unsubbed which is all that Mindsweep appeared to be pointing out (aside from the implication that the departure was relative to the discussion of this thread).

>_>

Well I'm under the impression that they're just bugged out of the forum like the 90% of us yesterday were since there are a few other members who have recently posted within the last week who generally have a low rank who are now Jacked Out.

So she probably hasn't left she's just bugged out like the rest of us were. Maybe I'm wrong but still..... he should at least check the claims he makes before posting.

Good point.  I didn't consider that. 

Garu wrote:

Denary wrote:

Garu wrote:

Denary wrote:

Avath last posted on the 04/25/2009 17:14:00 on this thread!?

Maybe you should at least check what you're posting before you actually post it....?

3 days or 3 months is irrelevant.  It doesn't change the fact that the OP has unsubbed which is all that Mindsweep appeared to be pointing out (aside from the implication that the departure was relative to the discussion of this thread).

>_>

Well I'm under the impression that they're just bugged out of the forum like the 90% of us yesterday were since there are a few other members who have recently posted within the last week who generally have a low rank who are now Jacked Out.

So she probably hasn't left she's just bugged out like the rest of us were. Maybe I'm wrong but still..... he should at least check the claims he makes before posting.

Good point.  I didn't consider that. 

3 days can be a long time for some.

Denary wrote:

Mindsweep wrote:

Just for everyone's information. The player who started this thread left the game long time ago, wonder why?

Avath last posted on the 04/25/2009 17:14:00 on this thread!?

Maybe you should at least check what you're posting before you actually post it....?

It seemd like forum didn't updated everyone in here, but being rude like you just make me

Some people, I've come to conclude, are Smithites...In other words, they've adopted the philosophy of Agent Smith:  "I've come to realize the purpose of life is to destroy it."  Or to paraphrase, the purpose of MxO...is to end MxO.  Seems like SOE has adopted this philosophy.  And for some people here, for some reason I fail to comprehend, are in agreement with SOE 100%.  They will always argue and fight tooth and nail against anything that might breathe life into this game.

well yeah Avath is still subbed, but even if she wasnt doesnt mean this thread is less useful, theres something very important pointed out here and is the Real question thats been in everybodys minds, when do we get answers to anything regarding Feedback of Mxo's future???, since this is not the subject of this thread ,im hoping that someone can point me to the direction or thread that this was said from Walrus (after the anniversary..blah blah blah..), that is the answer that we really need before further discussing here about a merge.....oh and  merge ftw... btw

I think the idea of just ending this game is an accepted idea opposed to trying to breath life back into the game because most of us don't believe it's even possible.

Im still here. I just dont post much, dont care for forum cq, even though I visit Dn1 almost everyday. Like Jahzel said, doesn't matter if Im here or not, this thread has been very successful from my point of view. We don't have a merge, but that doesn't reflect the desire of a great part of the community.

Like I said before, I just have fun with what we currently have since we dont have a developer.  We dont even have an answer to our big question: WHAT WILL HAPPEN NOW TO MXO?

Its not that I feel defeated, is just that Real Life can be so stressful, that the least thing I want to do when I log to play, its to argue with SOE. So while we sit and wait, lets try to have fun and make the best of the $15 we pay a month. - Just my thoughts.

Totally agree with Avath. Have as much fun with the time we have left. The game could close down tomorrow and all this squabbling ain't doing anything. As Rare said before he left, the storyline is left with us. Not just that, everything. Now is when the community should really pull together.

To me the game hasn't changed, just numbers within it. We have so much more gear to get, on diff chars etc. Same game, just no story. Story went to pot anyways. I came in about chapt 4 and was like wth lol

We would all like to be able to merge/transfer chars but it just ain't possible. Thats SoE's fault for not doing much when they aquired the game. So the people that want to merge / transfer, roll another char, only option. Don't need to make that your main char, just another place to experiance what you like when the server you prefer isn't active, at that point. Community sticks together and communicates = more fun for us before the game dies.