11.3 Machine meeting - Mon, Nov 24th, 2:00 pm, Recursion

Kybutra wrote:

Cry moar please, you were in the wrong on this one ODJ.

I'll cry till the cows come home, its my right as a paying customer. I hope Rarebit likes my syntax and vector names btw, as they are similar.

odj wrote:

I don't care, I'm sick of Rarebit God-Modding everything and whatever he says goes

You're tired of Rarebit being ... the guy that controls all events and story in this game?

GodTier wrote:

odj wrote:

I don't care, I'm sick of Rarebit God-Modding everything and whatever he says goes

You're tired of Rarebit being ... the guy that controls all events and story in this game?

No, pulling exscuses out of his arse when his playpen doesnt behave as he wants it.

odj wrote:

Kybutra wrote:

Cry moar please, you were in the wrong on this one ODJ.

I'll cry till the cows come home, its my right as a paying customer. I hope Rarebit likes my syntax and vector names btw, as they are similar.

I have to type out each name manually when teleporting people. Between that, checking every person's level, and checking their org, it takes a long time to get everyone through. So no, I won't be wasting everyone's time trying to hunt and peck out long keyboard-mash names just to bring some along some lowbie alt whose "name" nobody can pronounce, and which would spam chat on its own every time they said anything--and that goes for anyone who might try something like that.

That would also apply to names with lots of alternating capital I's and lowercase L's, since those look almost identical and are a real pain to try to type out ("IlIlIlIlIlIl" would be a bad choice, for instance), and to names that are an obvious insult to individuals or groups: I wouldn't have teleported someone named "MachinesStinkLOLOL," for instance.

Is StinkMachine acceptable?

>.>

*hides*

looks like ill have to roll anther zion alt on vector then being as my first choice of lilly was taken i opted for liiiy so i guess she isnt getting in can we have a name clearance in that case so that subscribed customers can get decent names instead of having to use capital I's for L's.

I can see where you're coming from, to an extent, though this all seems to be an un-necessary drama provoking exersise... but thats a little petty. I doubt it's much of a stretch to port Liiiy.

Whoops, my characters name had a capital i in it, sorry.

Rarebit wrote:

So no, I won't be wasting everyone's time trying to hunt and peck out long keyboard-mash names just to bring some along some lowbie alt whose "name" nobody can pronounce, and which would spam chat on its own every time they said anything--and that goes for anyone who might try something like that.

You get paied to do this stuff.

If I worked at a checkout and only decided to type in all the items but one simply because the barcode was to complex I'd be fired.

Do your job and teleport llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyr tomorow.

Yasamuu wrote:

though this all seems to be an un-necessary drama provoking exersise...

dont you know Recursion does Drama

He said multiple capital "i's" and "l's" Im sure one is fine.

Dulux wrote:

Whoops, my characters name had a capital i in it, sorry.

Yeah, took me two tries. >_<

Anyway, this is really not that complicated. Liiiy, whatever, that's all fine. You really have to go out of your way (or mash the keyboard) to make a name that's going to be problematic, and the people who do that obviously know what they're doing.

Liiiy has 3 i's 2 of which are capital

>_>

A macro along the lines of "/macro teleport %t /command to admin teleport" that teleports whoever you target would be super. So just keep tapping "g" or whatever button you have to target between friendlies in your line of sight and hit the macro and it'd teleport whoever. Then you wouldn't have to type out names and the teleporting would go much faster, problem is it's pretty indescriminate buuuuuuuuut you could always fix it with a good ol' fashioned boot once everyone was through to get rid of problem people.

Unless admin teleports don't work like most /commands?

MxO's first expansion:

The Matrix Online: The SpeIling Bee

(( Unfortunately I wasn't able to make it after all...   Based on a log I've read, it sounded decent enough and I look forward to the next one which I will hopefully actually be able to attend.  As said, though, it's definitely no replacement for regular events.

I was dismayed by the fact that, despite this being one of the very few chances there are for advancing the storyline while in the midst of the 6 week drought between patches, it didn't really do anything to advance the story.  Sure some good questions were asked and answered, but we're really left in the exact same place as we were before the meeting plot wise... to be expected I suppose seeing as how it's just a meeting with no actual changes to the world to follow it up, but still a disappointment. ))

Rarebit wrote:

I have to type out each name manually when teleporting people. Between that, checking every person's level, and checking their org, it takes a long time to get everyone through. So no, I won't be wasting everyone's time trying to hunt and peck out long keyboard-mash names just to bring some along some lowbie alt whose "name" nobody can pronounce, and which would spam chat on its own every time they said anything--and that goes for anyone who might try something like that.

So lets see.

1. You're being lazy not typing out a characters name.  Just the one time was sufficient to port him.

2. You thought he would spam chat which is an assumption.  One which, had you ported him, you would have realised is a false accusation.

3. A few PN were there to point out the pointlessness of Org-locks when you port them away anyway.  A Merv was there amongst the crowd until the last second.  And seeing as you have the "manually type when teleporting people" you just simply don't type their name and move onto the next person.

4. My alt was there to actually be part of the story.  A small piece of the story yes (seeing as you've removed most of the content and jammed 6 weeks of story into 30minutes of missions).  The alt is not to be affiliated with my main.  Those are two seperate entities.  They are controlled by one person, correct, but they all have different reasons for being there.  You can't just assume that all my characters are going to be the same EPN loving, cocky, sexy a**hole that my main is.

5.  The meeting format sucked.  Not because it wasn't like an old LE.  Its just you went over the same nonsense again and again.  Stuff most people had worked out for themselves anyway.  You just listened to your select groups and characters and let the rest get increasingly bored.  And I have to assume your lack of "intel" on anything we asked was down to the fact you're too busy drawing those cinematics than actually worrying about where the story, which is hanging by a thread, is actually going.

Rarebit wrote:

Dulux wrote:

Whoops, my characters name had a capital i in it, sorry.

Yeah, took me two tries. >_<

Anyway, this is really not that complicated. Liiiy, whatever, that's all fine. You really have to go out of your way (or mash the keyboard) to make a name that's going to be problematic, and the people who do that obviously know what they're doing.

And so, you're quite willing to try a name twice, one that contained a "trick" letter.  Yet, the character who had no "trick" letters and could quite easily typed by just looking at the screen didn't even get one attempt.

Laughable.  The whole thing is quite laughable.  Oh, and seemingly two-faced.

as much as i like to share my hate on the meetings that just plain suck i think this topic should be locked before someone does something stupied to get banned ...

GreyMountain wrote:

And so, you're quite willing to try a name twice, on that contained a "trick" letter.  Yet, the character who had no "trick" letters and could quite typed just looking at the screen didn't even get one attempt.

When we did the Seraph Cinematic with odj (who was using the same lowbie character) and I had to get him on team all I need to have was the name up on my screen and was able to type it out fairly quickly

Now while I understand that not everyone can type quickly and correctly it should still be possible to type it in a decent ammount of time

GreyMountain wrote:

A Merv was there amongst the crowd until the last second.

Harder to spot, since they don't have bright gold tags below their names. I booted them when I saw them.

GreyMountain wrote:

Its just you went over the same nonsense again and again.  Stuff most people had worked out for themselves anyway.  You just listened to your select groups and characters and let the rest get increasingly bored.

Gray spent almost all of his time there answering player questions. If there were a lot of questions at once, he tended to answer the ones that were on the topic already under discussion, or, if there weren't any more of those, to answer the ones that were most convenient for him to answer (ie, the ones least likely to end up at a point where the information was restricted, or the ones that seemed at least most pertinent to current Machine interests, or at least that he could answer in-character (someone kept trying to ask me if there would be any more Machine non-meeting events, for instance, and that isn't really something Gray is equipped to respond to)--oh, or the ones that hadn't already been answered a lot already, either there or in previous events/missions/etc).

At the end of the session, he asked repeatedly if there were other questions, and he didn't wrap things up until there were no more being thrown his way (EDIT: which won't always be possible, but the length of this one felt about right). You do have to be patient, because I'm only able to respond to question barrages at a certain speed, and I can't really keep paging back up through the chat to try to go through them in order, because that takes a lot of time (paging up when chat keeps going down, I mean, and trying to maintain both the scrolled up position and keep an eye on the new chat coming in) and it gets confusing if I keep hopping back and forth between different subjects.

If you think I like answering questions from the same people all the time, you're mistaken. Actually I really don't like it, and that's one of the reasons I've switched to this more accessible format, but if those are the only questions coming in that I can respond to, that's what I have to do. Really the thing I most enjoy about these types of meetings is when I get a great, insightful question from a character I haven't met before.

GreyMountain wrote:

And I have to assume your lack of "intel" on anything we asked was down to the fact you're too busy drawing those cinematics than actually worrying about where the story, which is hanging by a thread, is actually going.

Generally if Gray says he doesn't have information on something, that's because the Machines don't know everything. There are also things he isn't willing to disclose. If this is an attempt to guilt me into giving you story spoilers, it isn't going to work. =p It's also a surprising combination of accusations, given that the cinematics are the front line in the delivery of the story.

Rarebit wrote:

GreyMountain wrote:

And I have to assume your lack of "intel" on anything we asked was down to the fact you're too busy drawing those cinematics than actually worrying about where the story, which is hanging by a thread, is actually going.

Generally if Gray says he doesn't have information on something, that's because the Machines don't know everything. There are also things he isn't willing to disclose. If this is an attempt to guilt me into giving you story spoilers, it isn't going to work. =p It's also a surprising combination of accusations, given that the cinematics are the front line in the delivery of the story.

Guilt trip you?  Please.  I'll follow the story when you get round to writing it.  I'm just telling you how I saw it.  Granted Gray said their was lack of intel at points when it was obvious he had more to say.  Such as the Oligarchs control over the Machines.  Being told not to discuss?  More like can't discuss because their control prohibits it.  It was just parts when like the Morpheus Sim, EPN hovercrafts.  All convienently lacked intel.  It just seemed that you skipped over those side-stories.  To me it felt like you skipped them because you didn't have any real answer. 

Cinematics are the front-line?  Lets see.  In your cinematic we had Veil kill Shimada.  One small segment in the story.  Something that could have been written into a story (one easier to follow too).  The content in game is where the front-line should be.  Where we get to participate and interact.  We don't want to be bystanders watching the story go by in cinematics.  They should be there to support the story, not tell it.

I figured this would probably be nothing more than a Q&A session, it turned out to be, I was not disappointed. You have to look at it for what it is, not what it could have been.

GreyMountain wrote:

Rarebit wrote:

GreyMountain wrote:

And I have to assume your lack of "intel" on anything we asked was down to the fact you're too busy drawing those cinematics than actually worrying about where the story, which is hanging by a thread, is actually going.

Generally if Gray says he doesn't have information on something, that's because the Machines don't know everything. There are also things he isn't willing to disclose. If this is an attempt to guilt me into giving you story spoilers, it isn't going to work. =p It's also a surprising combination of accusations, given that the cinematics are the front line in the delivery of the story.

Guilt trip you? Please. I'll follow the story when you get round to writing it. I'm just telling you how I saw it. Granted Gray said their was lack of intel at points when it was obvious he had more to say. Such as the Oligarchs control over the Machines. Being told not to discuss? More like can't discuss because their control prohibits it. It was just parts when like the Morpheus Sim, EPN hovercrafts. All convienently lacked intel. It just seemed that you skipped over those side-stories. To me it felt like you skipped them because you didn't have any real answer.

Cinematics are the front-line? Lets see. In your cinematic we had Veil kill Shimada. One small segment in the story. Something that could have been written into a story (one easier to follow too). The content in game is where the front-line should be. Where we get to participate and interact. We don't want to be bystanders watching the story go by in cinematics. They should be there to support the story, not tell it.

OMG SHUTUP

Anyways, shame i missed this, getting a redpill to lvl 5 with mach rep a half an hour after the meeting started isn't as easy as it seems D:

GreyMountain wrote:

It was just parts when like the Morpheus Sim, EPN hovercrafts.  All convienently lacked intel.  It just seemed that you skipped over those side-stories.  To me it felt like you skipped them because you didn't have any real answer. 

Part of opening up to player questions is that I'm not always going to be prepared for everything thrown at me. I can't anticipate everything players may ask--and that's a reason for doing it, because I need to find out what players are really interested in. Also, the upcoming story is usually going to have a focus in a certain direction, and that's where my story writing time goes; not that this necessarily applies to the two examples you gave, but there will always be "side" stories that only go so deep. That's always been the case.

GreyMountain wrote:

Cinematics are the front-line?  Lets see.  In your cinematic we had Veil kill Shimada.  One small segment in the story.  Something that could have been written into a story (one easier to follow too).  The content in game is where the front-line should be.  Where we get to participate and interact.  We don't want to be bystanders watching the story go by in cinematics.  They should be there to support the story, not tell it.

I used the term "front line" because that's exactly what they are: when a new update comes out, people generally seem to run in and check out the cinematic first thing. It's what establishes what's going on. And as far as the example of Veil killing Shimada goes, given the other means at my disposal (missions, live events, etc), I really don't think I could have done that nearly as effectively any other way. For me it had value beyond simply giving one character a CQ and another an end; it helped re-establish or re-enforce the deadly nature not only of the EPN and Cypherite struggle, but also of the larger man/machine issue that some people seem to think has been forgotten, but which is really what's driving everything I'm doing as far as the story goes.

Thanks for porting me to the appropriate locations Rarebit, I really appreciate it. 

I hope my name didn't give you too much trouble. 

odj wrote:

Rarebit wrote:

So no, I won't be wasting everyone's time trying to hunt and peck out long keyboard-mash names just to bring some along some lowbie alt whose "name" nobody can pronounce, and which would spam chat on its own every time they said anything--and that goes for anyone who might try something like that.

You get paied to do this stuff.

If I worked at a checkout and only decided to type in all the items but one simply because the barcode was to complex I'd be fired.

Do your job and teleport llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyr tomorow.

It's simple enough to create a new name by just putting a couple of easy words together:

darkserenity            rippedcorn                 flailcross

etc.  Making up such a cumbersome, troublesome name and then huffing and puffing when others don't invest the time to climb the steep curve you've imposed...it's not reasonable, and it's not efficient. 

If you make it easy for others to do what you want, they are more likely to oblige.  Being difficult for the sake of being difficult, on the other hand, is generally self-defeating.  As we see here.

I liked the meeting.  You have to accept that with so many people (and the turnout was very gratifying) there, the odds of your question getting addressed was low.  You just have to accept that.  I was impressed by many of the questions; i could see some people have been following things _very_ closely. 

The fact of the matter is that there are 3 meetings so everyone has a chance to interact and ask questions.  It's not intended that everyone make the first meeting or all three.

ONE MEETING PER ORG.  Why the fuss?!  It just doesn't make sense to me. :\

Garu wrote:

The fact of the matter is that there are 3 meetings so everyone has a chance to interact and ask questions.  It's not intended that everyone make the first meeting or all three.

ONE MEETING PER ORG.  Why the fuss?!  It just doesn't make sense to me. :\

Are you saying that a player should only be limited to one meeting?  The player is not a member of an org.  A character is, however.  That's something Recursion Machinists can't really seem to grasp, unfortunately.  Not a poke at you, Garu...  just an observation I've had over the years.

If you have a main character that is Merovingian, for example, the player is automatically labeled a Merv and there are many that just can't seem to see the fact that the player is just a player.

It's like saying in World of Warcraft that you shouldn't be able to experience Horde content if your main character is in the Alliance.  Bad example here, but it works.

If we're not going to have daily live events, you can at least take the time to teleport in every level 5 character with the required rep regardless of their name. 

The entire meeting was pretty *GOSHDARN* lame if you ask me. Sure we could ask questions, but most of them couldn't be answered, thus providing no additional content or storyline push. We got confirmation that Danielle Wright was probably killed by random group of operatives #1 in Hampton Green and that the thing near her was probably the BIP, like everyone already guessed (and the previous bit of information is just clarifying gameplay technicality). Aside from that? Nada. If you like standing around Agent Gray, woohoo for you.

More events, less meetings/parties, please.

I was pleasantly suprised with just how many questions Gray answered, which was a departure from his usually aloof and somewhat vague responses.

eval wrote:

>_>

A macro along the lines of "/macro teleport %t /command to admin teleport" that teleports whoever you target would be super. So just keep tapping "g" or whatever button you have to target between friendlies in your line of sight and hit the macro and it'd teleport whoever. Then you wouldn't have to type out names and the teleporting would go much faster, problem is it's pretty indescriminate buuuuuuuuut you could always fix it with a good ol' fashioned boot once everyone was through to get rid of problem people.

Unless admin teleports don't work like most /commands?

I doubt that would work. Gray was doing the teleporting, but Rarebit must have had a second, invisible character in the top floor room of the Tabor Park building. I'm guessing he looked at the names on one client and typed them in on the other.

And I wouldn't be remotely suprised if Rarebit doesn't teleport Odj's other characters into the next couple of meetings. They may well meet the requirements and Rarebit could take the time to type in their absurd names, but Odj has sadly proved beyond doubt that he's in the right mood for making trouble and being a nuisance. Anyone else in Rare's position would react to that the same way.

I couldn't stay long. But it didn't seem all that different from the more passive Q&A Live Events of the past.  There seemed to be a lot of questions in the begining about the Oligarchs and stuff from Chapters ... uhm what was it, 10.3 I think.  Other than that it wasn't all that bad.  Agent Gray isn't going to answer everything because that is part of the story and discovering things and doing your homework and actually reading some of the past missions (archives).

If ppl are stumped for character names - I know sometimes I am for my game characters.  Try these quick and easy name generators:  NAME GENERATATORS
But don't go too crazy, I don't think a p0rn-star name is really going to help either.  Although that might be funny!

As for all this firefighting, I think some of the underlying animosity here stems from ppl being suspicious of and tired of the favoritism, myself included.  Go ahead and bash me for it - I know you guys always will.  But it exists and it's the truth. 
So what can be done about it, if anything?  Probably nothing because it's never going to change. :/

I really enjoyed this meeting as we learned a lot of new information and we were able to fill a lot of holes of the storyline that everyone had been wondering about. This meeting style is much more preferable over the old live event meeting style. I hope to see more meetings like this in the future.

Neoteny wrote:

Sure we could ask questions, but most of them couldn't be answered, thus providing no additional content or storyline push. We got confirmation that Danielle Wright was probably killed by random group of operatives #1 in Hampton Green and that the thing near her was probably the BIP, like everyone already guessed (and the previous bit of information is just clarifying gameplay technicality). Aside from that? Nada. If you like standing around Agent Gray, woohoo for you.

Guessing is not concrete evidence for any debate which may occur, you know this. The Oligarchs are a relatively small community, we are likely to see more incursions from them in the future, the Bip is not itself harmful to the simulation yet the Machines still want it secured so that it doesn't get into the hands of Zion or the Merv. The Machines do not have a backup of the Oracles program as her programming was sufficiently different to prevent doing so. There was a lot to gain from that even if it was just mostly confirming peoples guesses or suspicions.

"I'm sorry, my responses are limited...you must ask the right questions."

Rarebit has 3 meetings to do, all of which I'll assume will be placed on the boards in time. So instead of trying to lead the players into asking the right questions in a meeting to forward the story, he has three opportunities for a player to ask the pertinent question(s) on their own. This allows for the meeting to flow more naturally and not feel like the LE character is guiding us down the right path for the right question(s). You don't ask the question(s), you don't get the info and the other orgs may reveal it first in some way from their own persective. If by the end of the last meeting still noone has asked the right or pertinent question(s), then the herding of players may be done if necessary.  Overall that seems to me to be a lot more dynamic than previous LE's in which information had to be revealed in order for the next crit to make any sense.

It's entrely obvious that, in order not to spoil anything, Rarebit has to be careful when answering questions pertaining to the current storyline, swerveballs and that will take him longer to answer. No amount of preperation can possibly prepare him for a random question that has something to do with the story but wasn't thought of. Floods of questions don't help either.

Also on a side note, what wasn't needed at all was making the point that org barriers could be bypassed. Well done, good job. Those that did strive to make the point, we already know it can be done, it's really not necessary to reiterate this widely known fact, so what was the point? Considering the low level needed for the meetings, it's not hard to make an appropriate character if you seriously want to take part assuming you have space. Creating a random name is not hard either and even if you intend on deleting the character afterwards having a non button bashed name will allow you to recreate the character if needed the next time easily if you want. If a player, regardless of character they are playing, is deemed to be acting in a way that may be disruptive to other players then the Dev's and CSR's are well within their rights to make sure that it doesn't get continued. Really, I would have expected a little more maturity from some members of the community, especially from those people who have shown decent levels in the past.

Darkhawk wrote:

As for all this firefighting, I think some of the underlying animosity here stems from ppl being suspicious of and tired of the favoritism, myself included.  Go ahead and bash me for it - I know you guys always will.  But it exists and it's the truth. 
So what can be done about it, if anything?  Probably nothing because it's never going to change. :/

Would probably be a good idea to go back to school and learn how to read, because if you read the previous posts in the thread it's got absolutely *nothing* to do with favouritsm. Infact, it's about names as you addressed in the first part of your post, so maybe you actually did read it correctly and are now just trying to cause trouble/grab attention? Really, don't get where favouritsm comes into a simple organisational meeting but I'm not brushed up on the latest conspiracy theories.

I wasn't able to make the meeting, got caught up doing something else and it completely slipped my mind, but I think maybe this whole teleporting thing is going a little too far. I'm not taking sides, but if Rarebit simply said he wasn't going to teleport a name called akdkdsdsakdasdas, then maybe you should rethink your name. It's just that simple. Making a big fuss out of it isn't going to get you anywhere, so why do it for the other orgs as well?

Vinia wrote:

Also what wasn't needed at all was making the point that org barriers could be bypassed. Well done, good job. Those that did strive to make the point, we already know it can be done, it's really not necessary to reiterate this widely known fact, so what was the point? Considering the low level needed for the meetings, it's not hard to make an appropriate character if you seriously want to take part assuming you have space. Creating a random name is not hard either and even if you intend on deleting the character afterwards having a non button bashed name will allow you to recreate the character if needed the next time easily if you want. Really, I would have expected a little more maturity from some members of the community, especially from those people who have shown decent levels in the past.

You're the people that call us terrorists.  We were simply conforming to your beliefs.  Our little "stunt" caused no issues.  Rarebit kicked us soon enough (as he says, its hard to miss a Gold Tag where it shouldn't be).  I then logged onto my alt to go to the meeting.  Not to cause trouble, but the participate.  The two characters can't be put in the same boat just because my main is EPN.  As I've said before, and will say again, my alt is Machine.  The player behind them should not be a prerequisite for attending.  At no point did Rarebit say "Players main has to be Machine."  He said the character had to have the required rep.

Yasamuu wrote:

Would probably be a good idea to go back to school and learn how to read, because if you read the previous posts in the thread it's got absolutely *nothing* to do with favouritsm. Infact, it's about names as you addressed in the first part of your post, so maybe you actually did read it correctly and are now just trying to cause trouble/grab attention? Really, don't get where favouritsm comes into a simple organisational meeting but I'm not brushed up on the latest conspiracy theories.

The idea of favourtism could come from the fact that Rarebit has said people with names using a 'I' instead of 'l' is awkward and he'll not teleport someone he can't type out.  Do along comes Dulux with the "trick I" and Rarebit happily tries the name twice.  Yet the character with a random name (no "trick I" I might add) didn't even get the one attempt needed to type his name out.  Its one rule for some and one rule for the others.

I'll say that again. 

Dulux - two attempts at porting

Random name - No attempt.  Just one attempt would have sufficed.

Now I'm going to leave this thread now before I say something that gets me the ban stick.

As long as you show an intention to participate in the meeting, then you will be included. It's as simple as that.

You planned to provoke people. "Let's see if we get through with this". It didn't work - nothing bad happened, you just weren't invited. Now you come to the forums and blame random people for what happened.

GreyMountain wrote:

You're the people that call us terrorists.  We were simply conforming to your beliefs.  Our little "stunt" caused no issues.  Rarebit kicked us soon enough (as he says, its hard to miss a Gold Tag where it shouldn't be).  I then logged onto my alt to go to the meeting.  Not to cause trouble, but the participate.  The two characters can't be put in the same boat just because my main is EPN.  As I've said before, and will say again, my alt is Machine.  The player behind them should not be a prerequisite for attending.  At no point did Rarebit say "Players main has to be Machine."  He said the character had to have the required rep.

Now I'm going to leave this thread now before I say something that gets me the ban stick.

The fact that you got booted showed, to me at least, that you were doing something or attempting something that causes an issue. At the very least that you as the player, not as the character, were showing a willing to cause a disruption and as I said earlier, Rarebit has every right to deny access if a player was previously intentionally causing problems and believes s/he may continue to do so. So no the player behind a character isn't a prerequisite unless said player was causing a disruption previously.

Enge1 wrote:

You planned to provoke people. "Let's see if we get through with this". It didn't work - nothing bad happened, you just weren't invited. Now you come to the forums and blame random people for what happened.

Not quite.  But then again you Cyphs never could keep track of things.  Perhaps you should through more carefully.

Anyway I shouldn't be here...

GreyMountain wrote:

Not quite.  But then again you Cyphs never could keep track of things.  Perhaps you should through more carefully.

Anyway I shouldn't be here...

Lol, you say you don't want to be treated like your main character but as a player, yet you are willing to do so to others.

gf

GreyMountain wrote:

Yasamuu wrote:

Would probably be a good idea to go back to school and learn how to read, because if you read the previous posts in the thread it's got absolutely *nothing* to do with favouritsm. Infact, it's about names as you addressed in the first part of your post, so maybe you actually did read it correctly and are now just trying to cause trouble/grab attention? Really, don't get where favouritsm comes into a simple organisational meeting but I'm not brushed up on the latest conspiracy theories.

The idea of favourtism could come from the fact that Rarebit has said people with names using a 'I' instead of 'l' is awkward and he'll not teleport someone he can't type out.  Do along comes Dulux with the "trick I" and Rarebit happily tries the name twice.  Yet the character with a random name (no "trick I" I might add) didn't even get the one attempt needed to type his name out.  Its one rule for some and one rule for the others.

I'll say that again. 

Dulux - two attempts at porting

Random name - No attempt.  Just one attempt would have sufficed.

Now I'm going to leave this thread now before I say something that gets me the ban stick.

My name on Recursion has a capital i besides L, I think if Rarebit sees that the L didnt work, and its just ONE simple letter, he can easily say to himself "oh, its an i instead" and make the port then, which would be alot easier then trying to port asdfgasdfgrwsdxvb, IMO.

GreyMountain wrote:

The idea of favourtism could come from the fact that Rarebit has said people with names using a 'I' instead of 'l' is awkward and he'll not teleport someone he can't type out.  Do along comes Dulux with the "trick I" and Rarebit happily tries the name twice.  Yet the character with a random name (no "trick I" I might add) didn't even get the one attempt needed to type his name out.  Its one rule for some and one rule for the others.

I'll say that again. 

Dulux - two attempts at porting

Random long keyboard mash of letters of a character name apparently on the same account which got booted previously for disruption in the form of intentionally circumventing the org locks  - No attempt.

Fixed, oh and if a player creates and alt to go to the meetings and they're worried that Rarebit won't be able to figure out the spelling a simple lower case version in the details would suffice. As an example only, in Dulux's case it would be something like this

Background

(duiux)

Ok, so I do understand where you're coming from with the point thats being made here but lets be honest here, you guys knew this would cause trouble so you went through with it. There's an obvious line thats crossed with a name, imo and it surely isn't hard to come up with a much more legible name.

Like I said, I can get the POV and where you're coming from, there's likely to be a grey area with names (though it seems to have been cleared up), but ultimately when people start saying in area chat 'It's an alt of a syntax machinist', the arguement goes downhill because that was a lie and why would it be said that the player behind the character was a machinist on syntax if he wasn't? Well, possibly because it was a guilty arguement on your guys behalf, you knew you were doing something shady.

I wonder if my alt, Garuk, will be able to attend the Merv meeting. lol

Gerik wrote:

I wonder if my alt, Garuk, will be able to attend the Merv meeting. lol

I think so, if its like.. lvl 5 or whatever. My EPN alt on Vector is ChloeAnnn... does that mean I won't be able to go? :O Ive been EPN over there for a long time lol

ChloeAnn wrote:

Gerik wrote:

I wonder if my alt, Garuk, will be able to attend the Merv meeting. lol

I think so, if its like.. lvl 5 or whatever. My EPN alt on Vector is ChloeAnnn... does that mean I won't be able to go? :O Ive been EPN over there for a long time lol

Yeah, my character is level 40. I'd goto a Zion meeting, but most of them are just morons, tbh.

Lol, I'm sure you both wont have any problems as far as Rarebit would be concerned as long as you don't cause any issues prior to or during the meeting. There may be a bit of hassle from some immature players but they're /ignorable.