11.3 Machine meeting - Mon, Nov 24th, 2:00 pm, Recursion

Recursion

Arrive at 580 153 425, Tabor Park (office building, top floor)

Monday, November 24th, 2:00 pm

Operatives must be level 5 or higher, and belong to the Machine or Cypherite organization.

These meetings are designed to be open discussions between operatives and their organization leader(s) about the organization's direction and goals. Do not bring spam macros or a hostile agenda. Disruptive operatives will be removed from the meeting and not invited back. Use "/ignore [someone]" rather than shouting at someone to be quiet. Teleports and organization locks will be used to ensure privacy. The host server will rotate each update.

Ok, I'll have to speed home and risk death... but I'll try and be there.

I should be able to make it, and those under my command have been informed.  It should be interesting to see how this goes..

omg I'm going to show up on a level 4!!11

I was just wondering today about when we'd have those org meetings. I hope very much it'll not be a huge *SILLY GROUP OF PEOPLE* like the old LET meetings were.

I'll be there.

eval wrote:

omg I'm going to show up on a level 4!!11

I was just wondering today about when we'd have those org meetings. I hope very much it'll not be a huge *edited* like the old LET meetings were.

(( Noes!! Lv4's Not Allowed!!!! hehe

And you're not alone in your hoping ))

I'll try to be there.

10pm GMT. I'll be there, though as this is on Recursion I'm hardly going to look my best.

Oh, wank. I'm working 'til 11.

Yasamuu wrote:

Oh, wank. I'm working 'til 11.

Oh don't worry, I'm sure the Machine meeting will last at least 100 years.

I will be there....

eval wrote:

omg I'm going to show up on a level 4!!11

I was just wondering today about when we'd have those org meetings. I hope very much it'll not be a huge *edited* like the old LET meetings were.

Post edited. Reason Code 001: Bypassing language filter.

You can get above level 5 and be in the machine organisation in a whole 5 minutes.....

Pointless.

I think this is very make or break. If people get disappointed at these meetings and it's not like the old LET meetings. *gulp*

Gives me four hours to finish work and get home...

*checks watch*

*ties shoelaces*

Step One: Create a new character.

Step Two: Do missions to make your character Machine.

Step Three: Level to level 6.

Step Four: Wait at the meeting spot.

Step Five: Watch as people are teleported 1 hour and 24 mins after the meeting started and you are left behind standing wondering what the fluke you did wrong.

What a bunch of absolute cow poo.

odj wrote:

Step One: Create a new character.

Step Two: Do missions to make your character Machine.

Step Three: Level to level 6.

Step Four: Wait at the meeting spot.

Step Five: Watch as people are teleported 1 hour and 24 mins after the meeting started and you are left behind standing wondering what the fluke you did wrong.

What a bunch of absolute cow poo.

Pretty sure Rarebit can boot/ignore/exclude people at will, especially if they seem like they're counter-productive to whatever he's doing. I don't think there's rules saying he has to teleport someone, and a name that looks like someone randomly typed on the keyboard wouldn't be a likely canidate to RP with, wouldn't you think?

So how'd the meeting go? yeah! neh?

Kybutra wrote:

So how'd the meeting go? yeah! neh?

I liked it, it's wrapping up now. Answers were actually given instead of "lol wait for next week" in an RP-ish answer. Wasn't that big a *SILLY GROUP OF PEOPLE* as I thought it would, suprisingly calm and orderly.

EDIT: Drat, forgot /blowkiss ; /point :P

eval wrote:

Pretty sure Rarebit can boot/ignore/exclude people at will, especially if they seem like they're counter-productive to whatever he's doing. I don't think there's rules saying he has to teleport someone, and a name that looks like someone randomly typed on the keyboard wouldn't be a likely canidate to RP with, wouldn't you think?

No. Look at your name, if I'm not a programmer I don't know what eval is then its just four random letters, so if the name is short and random it is acceptible but if it is long it is not? Calling cow poo on that argument.

odj wrote:

eval wrote:

Pretty sure Rarebit can boot/ignore/exclude people at will, especially if they seem like they're counter-productive to whatever he's doing. I don't think there's rules saying he has to teleport someone, and a name that looks like someone randomly typed on the keyboard wouldn't be a likely canidate to RP with, wouldn't you think?

No. Look at your name, if I'm not a programmer I don't know what eval is then its just four random letters, so if the name is short and random it is acceptible but if it is long it is not? Calling cow poo on that argument.

Mine's within reason and more importantly, has vowels in it. Something along the lines of djkgnakgnhkankbnanr doesn't seem like any word I've ever seen before and seems like someone that would just cause trouble.

eval wrote:

odj wrote:

eval wrote:

Pretty sure Rarebit can boot/ignore/exclude people at will, especially if they seem like they're counter-productive to whatever he's doing. I don't think there's rules saying he has to teleport someone, and a name that looks like someone randomly typed on the keyboard wouldn't be a likely canidate to RP with, wouldn't you think?

No. Look at your name, if I'm not a programmer I don't know what eval is then its just four random letters, so if the name is short and random it is acceptible but if it is long it is not? Calling cow poo on that argument.

Mine's within reason and more importantly, has vowels in it. Something along the lines of djkgnakgnhkankbnanr doesn't seem like any word I've ever seen before and seems like someone that would just cause trouble.

My characters name had vowels in it, why does vowels constitute a good RPer these days? And why does a handle have to be a word? B1T was accepted and they have no vowels in their name and is not a word.

so if i named a char twyndyllyngs i wouldnt be able to go as it has no vowels and where in the requirements to attend the meeting does it state anything about unapropriate names.  what if you were an alt on another server and got fed up of trying name after name just to be told it was already taken, we all know the problem with char names that alot of decent names are been taken up by perople whos accounts have been unsubbed since launch if you are going to exclude people for having random names free up some of the used names that have been unsubed for a considerable amount of time.  as it stands whats the difference between what he did and me having a char named ExternalError939238347473478

The name could be code?  The name could be anything.  The guy was there for the meeting and was ignored because of his name?  Even for Rarebit thats petty.  Then again, seemingly any argument would be petty when all odj wanted to do was be part of the meeting.  Heck AngelicDream got in with [quote]An EPN Spy[/quote] in her background details.  There is obvious cause for restriction to the meeting.

Everyone has alts for different orgs, be it soley for the missions or the full-blown RP that comes with it.  Since when did a name have anything to do with what the character can do?  Rarebit overstepped the mark here, no question.  The player wanted to go to the meeting as a Machine because that is what his Syntax alt is.  These meetings meant Odj had to create an alt on a server where his main is EPN.  That bias cost his Syntax alt (technically speaking) the org meeting he should have been part of.

odj wrote:

eval wrote:

odj wrote:

eval wrote:

Pretty sure Rarebit can boot/ignore/exclude people at will, especially if they seem like they're counter-productive to whatever he's doing. I don't think there's rules saying he has to teleport someone, and a name that looks like someone randomly typed on the keyboard wouldn't be a likely canidate to RP with, wouldn't you think?

No. Look at your name, if I'm not a programmer I don't know what eval is then its just four random letters, so if the name is short and random it is acceptible but if it is long it is not? Calling cow poo on that argument.

Mine's within reason and more importantly, has vowels in it. Something along the lines of djkgnakgnhkankbnanr doesn't seem like any word I've ever seen before and seems like someone that would just cause trouble.

My characters name had vowels in it, why does vowels constitute a good RPer these days? And why does a handle have to be a word? B1T was accepted and they have no vowels in their name and is not a word.

Personally i would expect more creativity from a player that is dedicated enough to be interested in rolling a new character on a foreign server just to be able to attend a meeting. djkgnakghsaskaskfhadfg is not what i would call reative.

Hyperviolent wrote:

Personally i would expect more creativity from a player that is dedicated enough to be interested in rolling a new character on a foreign server just to be able to attend a meeting. djkgnakghsaskaskfhadfg is not what i would call reative.

I was going to say something along these lines. Even that 'EPN Spy lolol' managed to create a reasonable alt for the purpose of RP. In my honest opinion when I saw djkawudhasdkjchnj I immediately thought trouble maker not taking an RP meeting seriously. But obviously it was Rare's decision.

Hyperviolent wrote:

Personally i would expect more creativity from a player that is dedicated enough to be interested in rolling a new character on a foreign server just to be able to attend a meeting. djkgnakghsaskaskfhadfg is not what i would call reative.

Considering the characters are getting deleted after the meetings (as I am limited on alt spaces) there is no need for me them to be 'creative' with them.

Vinia wrote:

I was going to say something along these lines. Even that 'EPN Spy lolol' managed to create a reasonable alt. In my honest opinion when I saw djkawudhasdkjchnj I immediately thought trouble maker not taking an RP meeting seriously.

Not all people who appear idiots are idiots, and not all people who appear intelligent are intelligent, you need to listen to them first. The character I created did not macro spam, did not emote spam, did not spout hate speach, did not do anything disruptive whatsover and yet was excluded.

Again, because Rarebit probably had a feeling that the character would cause some kind of trouble/would be counter-productive to the LE. Maybe if he feels like responding to it he can answer you himself, maybe you could of even PM'd him about it instead of posting in this thread.

EDIT: Oh! Was the character on an account that one of the EPN that were running around in the Tabor building? If so he probably snooped at their account to see what their alts were.

eval wrote:

maybe you could of even PM'd him about it instead of posting in this thread.

Indeed, in fact I don't think it will be too long before a Mod prunes this thread back on topic.

eval wrote:

Again, because Rarebit probably had a feeling that the character would cause some kind of trouble/would be counter-productive to the LE. Maybe if he feels like responding to it he can answer you himself, maybe you could of even PM'd him about it instead of posting in this thread.

I could have but I was told by senior GM Brewko to post on these forums. No mention of a PM, posting was the appropriate action.

Vinia wrote:

Indeed, in fact I don't think it will be too long before a Mod prunes this thread back on topic.

My topic is about the meeting, please direct me to a more appropriate thread.

eval wrote:

Again, because Rarebit probably had a feeling that the character would cause some kind of trouble/would be counter-productive to the LE.

He shouldn't pre-empt on gut feeling.  He has admin powers.  He could have kicked the character at any given time had he been a trouble-maker.  But no, he excluded Odj before a word even sprang from his mouth.  Just because someone has a feeling about something doesn't make them right.  The person first needs to do something to confirm the belief before action is taken.

The real problem i have with this entire ordeal isn't what happened, it's that rarebit didn't say boo about it, just literally decided without even clarifying why he was excluding a player who had done nothing but meet the expectations asked of any operative willing to attend.

Rarebit could only assume that he would have been trouble without actually knowing it - thus making it an unfair bias that in the very least should have been explained. Instead he told us he was sorting it out and not actually doing anything about the problem - much like his usual approach to the dilemmas in this game, moreover the response from GM's being that not everyone will get to attend them is completely nullified when other people are invited in spite of this person being ignored.

Contrary to what people believe and know about alts and or spies, the truth of the matter is that if a player meets the in game standards to be included, there is no reason for them to be excluded. This is of course the same methodology used in all the events i've been to where in which there has been random no level nothing spies present that were of course treated equally and fairly. Ultimately this new and present bias is completely rediculous considering how people with regular names usually act at these meetings.

The concept that there was no warning, explanation or conversation - just downright ignoring and lying about it, is insulting to the community. I don't like spies at events, especially random lowbie alts, but if there's something i like even less it's hypocritical elitism - all or nothing, this elective middle ground can't be applied sometimes and not others, and i think it's absolute B S that this is supposed to be ok.

As per usual if nobody knows about it, nothing bad happened, thats the mxo success mentality.

Wonder why mxo hasn't been doing so well.  

from what i read he was just giving his opinion to the new org meetings and the lack of participation he was given to it.  No where in the requirements for the meeting did it say reasonable char name required.  and may i suggest in future if this is to be the case it is mentioned before hand.  He was a lvl 6 operative with machine rep and was at the location at the correct time which is more that some machine operatives managed.   I have a machine alt on syntax so i attended with an old character of mine and witnessed odj's exclusion even though another machine operative told rarebit a number of times that he was waiting.  To top it off a number of machines arrived late and got teleported with odj standing there.

odj wrote:

Vinia wrote:

Indeed, in fact I don't think it will be too long before a Mod prunes this thread back on topic.

My topic is about the meeting, please direct me to a more appropriate thread.

You're complaining about being excluded from the meeting, something that should be done in PM's something that I believe Brewko was wrong about. But seeing as you've done so, we'll wait and see what Rarebit or a Mod has to say. Until then It's useless and pointless to continue in a thread which is an opportunity for a discussion about what was said in the meeting.

GreyMountain wrote:

eval wrote:

Again, because Rarebit probably had a feeling that the character would cause some kind of trouble/would be counter-productive to the LE.

He shouldn't pre-empt on gut feeling.  He has admin powers.  He could have kicked the character at any given time had he been a trouble-maker.  But no, he excluded Odj before a word even sprang from his mouth.  Just because someone has a feeling about something doesn't make them right.  The person first needs to do something to confirm the belief before action is taken.

Probably because the account with the character has a past history of seemingly disrupting events?

I, for one, would like to know where in the Terms of Service or whatever it says he can't exclude you. Perhaps you can enlighten me on it's location?

my thoughts on the meetings are FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL sorry no offense rarebit but this has to be the most stupiedest things to happen to mxo. for the love of god dump the meetings and bring back live events i honestly see this killing the game even more

Remixermike wrote:

my thoughts on the meetings are FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL sorry no offense rarebit but this has to be the most stupiedest things to happen to mxo. for the love of god dump the meetings and bring back live events i honestly see this killing the game even more

So you didn't like it because there was no combat involved and it was just talking?

Rarebit does not have to do these. He is doing these out of his own choice and time. He therefore has the ability to disclude someone from them if he feels they have a chance to cause trouble. If you were really interested in the meeting, you should of came on a character with a respectable name, instead of the approach you took which gave Rarebit your intention.

eval wrote:

Remixermike wrote:

my thoughts on the meetings are FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL sorry no offense rarebit but this has to be the most stupiedest things to happen to mxo. for the love of god dump the meetings and bring back live events i honestly see this killing the game even more

So you didn't like it because there was no combat involved and it was just talking?

i didnt like it becuase it was nothing but a loop around the same subject for the whole time i was there and its horriable replacement for the good old real liveevents that gave me something to look forward to in the game.

eval wrote:

Remixermike wrote:

my thoughts on the meetings are FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL sorry no offense rarebit but this has to be the most stupiedest things to happen to mxo. for the love of god dump the meetings and bring back live events i honestly see this killing the game even more

So you didn't like it because there was no combat involved and it was just talking?

Being there from the start I was happy with it, it alluded some answers and got people thinking about what we're gonna be up against next. Yes there was the usual lot of questions not a lot of answers, but from any meeting where a lot of people want to go down different avenues of explanations, it's to be expected. I thought it was handled quite well tbh.

GreyMountain wrote:

eval wrote:

Again, because Rarebit probably had a feeling that the character would cause some kind of trouble/would be counter-productive to the LE.

He shouldn't pre-empt on gut feeling.  He has admin powers.  He could have kicked the character at any given time had he been a trouble-maker.  But no, he excluded Odj before a word even sprang from his mouth.  Just because someone has a feeling about something doesn't make them right.  The person first needs to do something to confirm the belief before action is taken.

Rarebit can do what he wants, when he wants, as long as he doesn't break the game. Maybe you should just deal.

Hell, I wouldn't have let in anyone with a name made up by smashing your head against the keyboard either.

EDIT: Oh, and I wasn't there, but I heard nothing but good things.

Why are you trying to cause trouble where there doesn't need to be trouble caused? You're just going to dig your hole even deeper.

"These meetings are designed to be open discussions between operatives and their organization leader(s) about the organization's direction and goals. Do not bring spam macros or a hostile agenda. Disruptive operatives will be removed from the meeting and not invited back."

Showing up for a meeting with an absolutely thoughtless name just after having been booted from said meeting for sneaking past org door locks is not a good idea. I will not be bringing people who really don't look like they're there to be a constructive part of the proceedings, because to do so would be a disservice to those who are. Have more consideration for the rest of the group and you won't fall into these misunderstandings.

I think the meeting went rather well. Well done, Master Bit! I certainly seemed to get a few responses, so I'm happy. And it looks like Rare had a good reason for ignoring he who was ignored, so I shan't complain about that.

Still, it was just a meeting. I hope there will be more events than just the meetings. There probably will be, but not announced quite like these were.

Rarebit wrote:

"These meetings are designed to be open discussions between operatives and their organization leader(s) about the organization's direction and goals. Do not bring spam macros or a hostile agenda. Disruptive operatives will be removed from the meeting and not invited back."

Showing up for a meeting with an absolutely thoughtless name just after having been booted from said meeting for sneaking past org door locks is not a good idea. I will not be bringing people who really don't look like they're there to be a constructive part of the proceedings, because to do so would be a disservice to those who are. Have more consideration for the rest of the group and you won't fall into these misunderstandings.

My character was a member of the organisation in question and brought no spam macros or hostile agenda.

I explained my character name and the reason behind it, just because you think it is thoughtless does not mean it is.

The character was not booted from the meeting, odj3 was, and he did not 'sneak passed the door locks' he jacked into the area to make a point of how stupid it is to advertise the location of a org meeting weeks before it happens.

Rejecting people on how they appear is grossly innapropriate, as stated earlier if someone begins to be disruptive you can immediately remove them, why reject someone who appears to be innapropirate when they could be a valuble RP character. Judging a book by its cover is terrible.

More consideration for the group? Thats laughable. Just laughable.

odj wrote:

...to make a point of how stupid it is to...

Somehow I don't think that's going to help, bro.

odj wrote:

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The character was not booted from the meeting, odj3 was, and he did not 'sneak passed the door locks' he jacked into the area to make a point of how stupid it is to advertise the location of a org meeting weeks before it happens.

Don't you think you just...shouldn't do that then? What do you get out of showing up at a meeting and getting past the org locks on a character that isn't supposed to be there and ontop of that disrupt it, other than a boot?

GodTier wrote:

odj wrote:

...to make a point of how stupid it is to...

Somehow I don't think that's going to help, bro.

I don't care, I'm sick of Rarebit God-Modding everything and whatever he says goes, he set down the requirments, I met them, I got excluded. Horse poo.

eval wrote:

Don't you think you just...shouldn't do that then? What do you get out of showing up at a meeting and getting past the org locks on a character that isn't supposed to be there and ontop of that disrupt it, other than a boot?

I didnt macro spam or have ill intent to disrupt the meeting, my character was making a point of the stupidness of the system put in place. If you notice odj3 never said anything.

Cry moar please, you were in the wrong on this one ODJ.

odj wrote:

GodTier wrote:

odj wrote:

...to make a point of how stupid it is to...

Somehow I don't think that's going to help, bro.

I don't care, I'm sick of Rarebit God-Modding everything and whatever he says goes, he set down the requirments, I met them, I got excluded. Horse poo.

Well when you're the main man behind MxO that decides the storyline and content, you can call the shots for situations like this ;D

I think the meeting went well, lots of questions being answered which was different And nice touch Agent Gray shaking everyone's hand at the end (He's a nice guy really).

Only thing i think that would have made it a bit cooler were if it had been in some sort of machine meeting room or something instead of the construct, and if maybe Pace or some other agents were there, standing at the side observing, for the immersion factor (but i can understand that'd be hard to do probably, and having it in the construct was the best way to keep other orgs out, so hey-ho )