Hollyy hell ... are these kill able ? and is she killable ?

Pretty sure she is. Go own them.

Erk!

Too... many... twists... can't keep up...

LFG Wright... >.>

<.<

i wonder what she drops :o

What level is Wright? I was going to say it's like a mini PB4 but I think the programs have enhanced viral protection which would add difficulty to a Howie team.

shes level 100 and the rest are 55

Remixermike wrote:

shes level 100 and the rest are 55

Ah, well. Do you have to kill her to complete a mission? Or is this a continually spawning 'gang' style group?

i have no idea. she could be a 1 time spawn or just a forever spawn intill the chapters over.

She gets to about 1/2 health then randomly dies and this person appears...

And she does re-spawn.

We'll be taking her down (If she's down...takeable) later today when more Sentience are on.

odj wrote:

She gets to about 1/2 health then randomly dies and this person appears...

And she does re-spawn.

....

Trinity?

odj wrote:

She gets to about 1/2 health then randomly dies and this person appears...

And she does re-spawn.

....

ZippyTheSquirrel wrote:

Erk!

Too... many... twists... can't keep up...

What... what is it?

Bunch of recursionites just brought down Wright and that's what spawned.  Can't hack it, knife it, shoot it, or IL it.  Doesn't talk.  Can't be killed period.

She drop anything?

Did she get her hands on the BIP and the BIP was subsequently released? Maybe Wright actually dies (the respawning being swept under the carpet like the fact that critical missions make everyone deliver that same crucial piece of information and talk to that same story character at the same time), and she sees the Matrix as it truly is before her last virtual breath.

Maybe we're all screwed.

Fen wrote:

Garu wrote:

It's positively the creepiest thing I've ever seen in MxO, aside from the eyes in the sky during beta.  The quote is definitely Trinity's when the Logos broke through the clouds in Revolutions.  I hope Wright did not get the BIP cuz we're probably all screwed if she did.  My other assumption is that the BIP was present and we finally caught a glimpse of its material form.

Needless to say, I'm stoked.

I have no idea what's going on in the story, what the heck Danielle Wright is doing back, and I'm still confused as to what the BIP is from when Halborn was looking for it.  Why are we screwed if Danielle Wright gets the BIP?

Danielle Wright alledges that she entered the Matrix as "a complete consciousness" when the Sentinels attacked her lab in the Real.  She now seeks the BIP probably with the same intentions as Halborn.  She wants a body again. 

The BIP is the program created by the Oracle that bestowed the One with "the power to reshape the Matrix as he saw fit".  If Wright acquires the powers of the One then its likely that we're all doomed.  I suppose the level of doom depends on your perspective.

Garu wrote:

The BIP is the program created by the Oracle that bestowed the One with "the power to reshape the Matrix as he saw fit".

Where did you hear that? That's not what the BIP did, as far as we've heard. It wasn't what made him the One. It had something to do with controlling bluepills, apparently, though I'm a little sceptical about that. I reckon Gray's either lying or doesn't know the truth either.

Procurator wrote:

Where did you hear that? That's not what the BIP did, as far as we've heard. It wasn't what made him the One. It had something to do with controlling bluepills, apparently, though I'm a little sceptical about that. I reckon Gray's either lying or doesn't know the truth either.

It's a presumption based on what we know about Neo, the prophecy, the Oracle and the actions of the BIP.  Neo contained a program within him that enabled him to be the One.  The BIP is recalling instances in Neo's life which leads me to believe that the BIP is the very same program that resided within him.  The BIP was created by the Oracle who also created the prophecy as a means of control for awakened humans.

To me, it all makes sense.

The BIP is the connection to the Source. It allows whoever possesses it to control not only the simulation (which is all the Oligarchs can do), but the Machines themselves.

Danielle Wright allows herself to be 'killed', but as the inventor of the EJP, I'd say she's probably got a few safeguards in place to prevent total erasure.

I like how the Merv liaison Tasvyder asked for a report on what we saw with the event about Silver's research and never heard from her again on it. Especially since I had that bluepill/Neo thing cracked open back then now I'm just going "Knew that". Meh...

What Shi said is more in line with what I imagine the BIP is: it's what gave Neo his powers over the Machines themselves. It's the second stage to the Oracle's gamble (the steps being 1. create the Smith problem, 2. give Neo crazy powers, 3. result being that Neo was the only one who could help the Machines and thus barter for peace).

After all, none of the other Ones had a BIP. This is a new thing which only Neo had (although why the Oracle made a second one that's now causing all these problems I don't know).

Procurator wrote:

After all, none of the other Ones had a BIP. This is a new thing which only Neo had (although why the Oracle made a second one that's now causing all these problems I don't know).

Personally, I believe that the BIP was in all of them but each time the One returned to the Source it was reset and found its way into the next "anomaly".  This one seems to be the same one that resided in Neo (judging purely on it having Neo's memories thus far).  The other that was created was most likely to balance the other so that the Machines were never in any true danger of defeat by the One. 

Perhaps Smith was a carrier of the second BIP.  I'm shooting in the dark with that thought though.

You guys may find it useful to put together a catalogue of exactly what has been said regarding the interface program.

Stuff that happened in 11.2 is pretty key to arriving at an understanding of what's going on, so I guess if you don't remember your crits very well then you may have to wait until they get into the archive.

Hey guys, remember when "Love" was what unlocked the hidden connection in the Ouroboros network? This was a very important connection between Neo and Trinity. Love was what seemed to have brought Neo back to life, and what Neo had in mind when he ripped through half the city to save Trinity. Halborn's obsession with Neo (and Trinity's fall after hacking the power nodes) is not something to be ignored when faced with this fact.

Plus, there's the "Wake Up, Neo..." message, and Trinity's "It's beautiful." I'm guessing if you were to look up the other quotes, such as "I'm not", "This isn't", and "impossible" in the Matrix movie scripts, you'd find more Neo or Trinity lines.

Plus, let's not forget what Seraph said: "it's remembering." It's been recording some information since The One found his powers and Smith was spreading, both in the Matrix and in the Real, and now it's moving all about the Matrix taking in all of the old information laying around under layers of new and changed code.

Maybe this means Neo's body and Trinity's body aren't completely forgotten in this story, since it's moving forward in time?

Rarebit wrote:

You guys may find it useful to put together a catalogue of exactly what has been said regarding the interface program.

Stuff that happened in 11.2 is pretty key to arriving at an understanding of what's going on, so I guess if you don't remember your crits very well then you may have to wait until they get into the archive.

I'll need to read the transcripts again, but all I remember is Gray (or was it Pace?) saying the BIP had something to do with monitoring or controlling redpills, or keeping them in check. But as I've said, I don't believe whoever said that was telling the truth.

Procurator wrote:

Rarebit wrote:

You guys may find it useful to put together a catalogue of exactly what has been said regarding the interface program.

Stuff that happened in 11.2 is pretty key to arriving at an understanding of what's going on, so I guess if you don't remember your crits very well then you may have to wait until they get into the archive.

I'll need to read the transcripts again, but all I remember is Gray (or was it Pace?) saying the BIP had something to do with monitoring or controlling redpills, or keeping them in check. But as I've said, I don't believe whoever said that was telling the truth.

Agent Gray said that at the meeting in 10 with Ms. Wright

Ah-hah, that was it! Thank you.

Well then. If it's what he said to Wright, it's even less likely to be true.

we killed her a few times where she suicided at half health, dropped decel and accel bits, then after a few times we actually killed her, see screenshot - nothing different happened, she respawnd again later and the drop was nothing different either.

Procurator wrote:

Ah-hah, that was it! Thank you.

Well then. If it's what he said to Wright, it's even less likely to be true.

Wait a sec. The BIP is emulating Trinity's behavior. Not Neo's. She relives moments that Trinity shared with Neo, says the words that Trinity said, etc.

What if the BIP was in Trinity? What if Trinity was some kind of control over Neo? The Architect expressed some surprise that Neo had no affinity for mankind as a whole, but more focused on just one person. Maybe it wasn't surprise, though. Maybe... maybe that was what they changed the sixth time around. Maybe that was what the Oracle changed for Neo.

She gave Trinity the BIP and told her that she would fall in love with the One.

Ooooh, Rarebit... I think you've gone too far this time, bro. You really going to ask us to believe that Neo and Trinity's love was a construct of the Oracle in order to control Neo so that he would do what was needed to be done to ensure peace between the two races? Aside from the fact that sounds like too much of a gamble for even the Oracle, that's a hard pill to swallow.

ShiXinFeng wrote:

Wait a sec. The BIP is emulating Trinity's behavior. Not Neo's. She relives moments that Trinity shared with Neo, says the words that Trinity said, etc.

What if the BIP was in Trinity? What if Trinity was some kind of control over Neo? The Architect expressed some surprise that Neo had no affinity for mankind as a whole, but more focused on just one person. Maybe it wasn't surprise, though. Maybe... maybe that was what they changed the sixth time around. Maybe that was what the Oracle changed for Neo.

She gave Trinity the BIP and told her that she would fall in love with the One.

Ooooh, Rarebit... I think you've gone too far this time, bro. You really going to ask us to believe that Neo and Trinity's love was a construct of the Oracle in order to control Neo so that he would do what was needed to be done to ensure peace between the two races? Aside from the fact that sounds like too much of a gamble for even the Oracle, that's a hard pill to swallow.

Wow! Now that does make sense of a lot of things...  A little radical, yes: but I like it!

Err... but does that explain why whomever controls the BIP, controls The Matrix?

Asna wrote:

Garu wrote:

Danielle Wright alledges that she entered the Matrix as "a complete consciousness" when the Sentinels attacked her lab in the Real.  She now seeks the BIP probably with the same intentions as Halborn.  She wants a body again. 

The BIP is the program created by the Oracle that bestowed the One with "the power to reshape the Matrix as he saw fit".  If Wright acquires the powers of the One then its likely that we're all doomed.  I suppose the level of doom depends on your perspective.

Please let this not be true. That would be the stupidest thing I've ever seen since midichlorians.

Please PLEASE can we not reduce Neo's abilities *or* Trinity's love for him into a stupid PROGRAM. Ugh. No. God no. I won't believe that until the Wachowskis themselves show up and say that yes, Trinity's love was a subroutine in a cookie she ate back before the events of M1. And then I'm going to scream and write an epic poem about how my beloved Matrix trilogy has gone the way of Star Wars Eps I-III.

/as

./agree

Trinity though has some connection to the BIP definitely. The message in 11.3.1 Zion mish is "Hear that" which is said by Trinity to Cypher.

This Trinity stuff is pretty compelling, but here's an alternative possibility for you (as if we weren't all confused enough as it is ):

Let's say Neo had the BIP, given by the Oracle whenever. I'm certain he was the only person to officially get it by the Oracle's design (she crafted it, she made the moves to break the Cycle - the Architect and the Machines had nothing to do with it). After he died (?) the Machines began experimenting with Trinity using that device the Assassin saw. But rather than taking the BIP out of her in that process, as has been suggested here, they were putting it in. Now inhabiting Trinity - alive or dead, certainly she wasn't recycled - the BIP has access to her memories.

But let's go further. Let's say the Machines hand Trinity over to the Oligarchs. At that point the BIP is in their possession, which goes some way to explaining why it was discovered in their network in the Matrix.

Why do I believe this? Because the BIP is quoting Trinity from both before and after the emergence of Neo's powers. If it were transferred into Neo during their first kiss it wouldn't have been able to say 'it's beautiful' (from their moment above the clouds) and such.

What I do want to emphasise is that the Machinesas a whole did not do anything to break the Cycle - that was all the Oracle's work. And it's been heavily implied that the BIP was entirely her design as well; they didn't contract her to make it. Furthermore, all the emphasis on Neo implies it was unique to him, that the BIP had no role in any previous iteration.

ShiXinFeng wrote:

1. Why would the Machines put the BIP into Trinity after Neo? I see no gain there for the Machines.
2. Perhaps it isn't Trinity's memory the BIP is quoting from when it says "It's Beautiful." Maybe that was a Neo memory.
3. The Machines did do something to break the cycle, though. They agreed to it. They allowed the Oracle to make the changes she deemed necessary. Hell, if I'm correct, the Architect would have even known about it when he talked to Neo.  

1. I don't know. As I said, they were experimenting. One could just as well ask: 'why did they bung it in the Oligarchs' network?'
   
2. Quite possibly.
3. I don't recall them agreeing to anything. As the Architect said to the Oracle: 'You played a very dangerous game.' The wording and intonation heavily imply (to me anyway) that she did all that without the Machines' foreknowledge or consent. After all, why would the Machines agree to a plan that involves both a dangerous viral program and a human with immense control over them in the Real?

Something to consider. When the war started up again Pace and Gray both stated that they did not have the program needed to reset the cycle.

Second the BIP has never been confirmed to be the program that does this. It's only function that we know of was a measure of control over those that needed to be freed from the pod system but even this is vague.

GamiSB wrote:

Something to consider. When the war started up again Pace and Gray both stated that they did not have the program needed to reset the cycle.

Perhaps slightly off-topic (and I have a feeling we've discussed this before, quite some time ago), but did they really say they didn't have the program necessary? I thought the wording was more like there were missing factors or conditions, i.e. that the Cycle wasn't relevant.

Bingo! Exactly what I was thinking of, thanks. So maybe Pace said something else... I'll see if I can dig it up.

Here we are. I shan't post the screenshot as there are two. They can be found in this thread:
http://forums.station.sony.com/mxo/..._id=36300015251

Agent Pace: The One is dead, Ms. Dodson, and the anomaly eliminated.

That was in response to either of the following questions. The transcript doesn't make it clear, as I'm afraid I don't know who Ms Dodson is.

Illyria1: Ok, a new question. Will the cycle of the One be restarted, now that the truce is over?

 - or -

GQubed: Agent Pace, now that Zion has gone outside of the original parameters of the systems control, will the cycle of the One still be needed?

Procurator wrote:

GamiSB wrote:

Something to consider. When the war started up again Pace and Gray both stated that they did not have the program needed to reset the cycle.

Perhaps slightly off-topic (and I have a feeling we've discussed this before, quite some time ago), but did they really say they didn't have the program necessary? I thought the wording was more like there were missing factors or conditions, i.e. that the Cycle wasn't relevant.

The only thing that makes Neo different than any other redpill, as far as we are aware is the program in him used to reset the cycle. Gray states that they are missing something that allowed them to reset the cycle. The Architect told Neo that the reset occured when he went into the source and that a code he carried was recompiled. Pace tells us that Neo is dead and that the anomaly gone.

Neo is the only factor in the cycles reset that has changed so we can concluded that because Neo is dead the code within him is unattainable which is what Pace and Gray are speaking of.

cloudwolf wrote:

Remember this is all relavent to how far forward Rare plans the story. We can't nessicarily trust everything that a character says during a live event (given their faily on-the-fly nature) when future details may not have been set-in-stone.

The last thing I'd want to do as a writer is be stifled creatively by something I said off hand several years ago =P

Rarebit as on countless occasions dropped seemingly obscure hints in past events that later helped reveal key points in future events. We were seeing images of Neo speaking with DEM and an oligarch (probably Halbron) months before the war even broke. Case in point Persephone's meeting with Black Widow. She invited Perseph to eat lunch a YEAR+ before it happened.

ShiXinFeng wrote:

Procurator wrote:

This Trinity stuff is pretty compelling, but here's an alternative possibility for you (as if we weren't all confused enough as it is ):

Let's say Neo had the BIP, given by the Oracle whenever. I'm certain he was the only person to officially get it by the Oracle's design (she crafted it, she made the moves to break the Cycle - the Architect and the Machines had nothing to do with it). After he died (?) the Machines began experimenting with Trinity using that device the Assassin saw. But rather than taking the BIP out of her in that process, as has been suggested here, they were putting it in. Now inhabiting Trinity - alive or dead, certainly she wasn't recycled - the BIP has access to her memories.

But let's go further. Let's say the Machines hand Trinity over to the Oligarchs. At that point the BIP is in their possession, which goes some way to explaining why it was discovered in their network in the Matrix.

Why do I believe this? Because the BIP is quoting Trinity from both before and after the emergence of Neo's powers. If it were transferred into Neo during their first kiss it wouldn't have been able to say 'it's beautiful' (from their moment above the clouds) and such.

What I do want to emphasise is that the Machinesas a whole did not do anything to break the Cycle - that was all the Oracle's work. And it's been heavily implied that the BIP was entirely her design as well; they didn't contract her to make it. Furthermore, all the emphasis on Neo implies it was unique to him, that the BIP had no role in any previous iteration.

Okay, I see the direction you're going and I think I see what you're hung up on. It's just too convenient for the BIP to have controlled everyone's actions, and I have a hard time living with that idea as well. I mean, *censored*, wasn't anything left to chance? Or choice?

But here are some holes in your theory:

1. Why would the Machines put the BIP into Trinity after Neo? I see no gain there for the Machines.
2. Perhaps it isn't Trinity's memory the BIP is quoting from when it says "It's Beautiful." Maybe that was a Neo memory.
3. The Machines did do something to break the cycle, though. They agreed to it. They allowed the Oracle to make the changes she deemed necessary. Hell, if I'm correct, the Architect would have even known about it when he talked to Neo.  

The Oracle gave the BIP to Trinity. Probably embedded in her cookie. Trinity gives the BIP to Neo the first time she kisses him; a program executed by a prerequisite command. It brings him back to life and enables his One powers. Neo accidentally copies the BIP into Smith. The power corrupts Smith completely and causes what was a little psychosis to become a full blown obsession. Unbeknownst to the Machines when they agreed to this BIP idea, Smith is the unintended consequence that plays into the Oracle's plan for breaking the cycle.

Wait. There's a problem with my theory now. When Smith absorbs Neo, allowing for both copies of the BIP to fall into the hands of the Machines, why didn't they just keep them? How and why would one of the BIP's pass back to Trinity?

*censored*, this just keeps getting more confusing.

One thing...

Trinity first kissed Neo in the real.  You're saying the program transferred from her to him during a kiss in the real?

That seems pretty thin to me.

For better or for worse, it's obvious that Trinity somehow came into posession of the BIP.  Perhaps the machines dropped the BIP in her head to see what kind of information they could dig out.  Afterall, if she was dead (or mostly dead), they weren't going to be able to ask nicely and get it that way.  Drop the BIP in, then they can grab information from her brain.  Why would they do this?  I'm not totally sure.  Maybe the machines are fascinated by the fact that Neo chose Trinity over humanity when he was given the choice.  Maybe they wanted to see what was so special about her.  Now, if they have Neo and Trinity's body, perhaps they are trying to understand where they went wrong.  So far off?  I don't think so.

The One was the One, Trinity was Trinity -- I highly doubt any transferrence took place with the BIP.