I think I'll keep a towel to hand in any case...
CERN's LHC: End of the world begins 10 Sep!!!
109 posts · 2008-09-03 04:08:36 to 2009-01-27 18:36:34
ShiXinFeng wrote:
I have my towel ready.
Anyone hear about that interstellar highway bypass that was due through here in about . . . 7 days?
I have my towel ready.
ShiXinFeng wrote:
/thumbup
Anyone hear about that interstellar highway bypass that was due through here in about . . . 7 days?Oh yeah. There's no point in acting all surprised about it. The plans and demolition orders have been on display at our local planning office in Alpha Centauri for fifty of our Earth years.
/thumbup
ArchDuke wrote:
ooooooohh!!!! I'll finally be able to try a Pan Galactic Gargle Blaster.
ShiXinFeng wrote:Anyone hear about that interstellar highway bypass that was due through here in about . . . 7 days?Oh yeah. There's no point in acting all surprised about it. The plans and demolition orders have been on display at our local planning office in Alpha Centauri for fifty of our Earth years.
ooooooohh!!!! I'll finally be able to try a Pan Galactic Gargle Blaster.
Virrago wrote:
So 4 Warp Core Breaches is NOT enough??? eh??? =P =P
ArchDuke wrote:ShiXinFeng wrote:Anyone hear about that interstellar highway bypass that was due through here in about . . . 7 days?Oh yeah. There's no point in acting all surprised about it. The plans and demolition orders have been on display at our local planning office in Alpha Centauri for fifty of our Earth years.
ooooooohh!!!! I'll finally be able to try a Pan Galactic Gargle Blaster.
So 4 Warp Core Breaches is NOT enough??? eh??? =P =P
mantra777 wrote:
Virrago wrote:It was only the begining...ArchDuke wrote:ShiXinFeng wrote:Anyone hear about that interstellar highway bypass that was due through here in about . . . 7 days?Oh yeah. There's no point in acting all surprised about it. The plans and demolition orders have been on display at our local planning office in Alpha Centauri for fifty of our Earth years.
ooooooohh!!!! I'll finally be able to try a Pan Galactic Gargle Blaster.
So 4 Warp Core Breaches is NOT enough??? eh??? =P =P
Kybutra wrote:
mantra777 wrote:fixedVirrago wrote:It was only a continuation...ArchDuke wrote:ShiXinFeng wrote:Anyone hear about that interstellar highway bypass that was due through here in about . . . 7 days?Oh yeah. There's no point in acting all surprised about it. The plans and demolition orders have been on display at our local planning office in Alpha Centauri for fifty of our Earth years.
ooooooohh!!!! I'll finally be able to try a Pan Galactic Gargle Blaster.
So 4 Warp Core Breaches is NOT enough??? eh??? =P =P
My stance on this is simple if we ever hope to advance scientificly we are going to have to take calculated risks.
privaronT wrote:
My stance on this is simple if we ever hope to advance scientificly we are going to have to take calculated risks.Are we to say that we can never hope to advance medically if we are not going to be able to test processes on animals or should we just skip that step and just test directly on humans?
Quoted from Wiki:
"the first attempt to circulate a beam through the entire LHC is scheduled for 10 September 2008, and the first high-energy collisions are planned to take place after the LHC is officially unveiled, on 21 October 2008"
So...the world won't end in 6 days?
"the first attempt to circulate a beam through the entire LHC is scheduled for 10 September 2008, and the first high-energy collisions are planned to take place after the LHC is officially unveiled, on 21 October 2008"
So...the world won't end in 6 days?
ReProgrammed wrote:
Thats what lifers should be used for.
privaronT wrote:My stance on this is simple if we ever hope to advance scientificly we are going to have to take calculated risks.Are we to say that we can never hope to advance medically if we are not going to be able to test processes on animals or should we just skip that step and just test directly on humans?
Thats what lifers should be used for.
privaronT wrote:
ReProgrammed wrote:I like this idea.privaronT wrote:My stance on this is simple if we ever hope to advance scientificly we are going to have to take calculated risks.Are we to say that we can never hope to advance medically if we are not going to be able to test processes on animals or should we just skip that step and just test directly on humans?
Thats what lifers should be used for.
ReProgrammed wrote:
A few things that should help anyone grasp some of these concepts are COSMOS by the awesome Carl Sagan and PBS's the Elegant Universe (presented by Brian Greene).
The actual reality of this sort of dimensional theory has way weirder concepts to grasp than Douglas Adams' and Terry Pratchett's best bollocks combined.
My favorite is that each successive dimension is at right angles to the preceding one.
1d is up-down
draw a line at right angles (90 degrees) to that to get 2d : up-down & left right
draw a line at right angles (90 degrees) to the preceding two to get 3d : up-down, left right & forward back
now the brain hurts when you try to imagine an angle of 90 degrees to all of those because we can only really easily think in terms of 3 dimensions. (it turns out it's time. 2D slices put together make a 3D object, 3D slices put together make a 4D object. I.e. a 4D object is a 3D object that exists over a period of time.)
phi wrote:The main reason it's not quite right is because it simplifies the concept of branes and tightly wound dimentions into a set-theory hierarchical design.ReProgrammed wrote:Interesting little vidoe you got there, I remember covering most of it in Geometry class but good none the less. Like how they incoperated the book flatlanders. And how they describe the 10th dimension of being a single point. Though a point, and a line, are actually impossible to draw dimension wise, since a point doesn't have length width or hieght it wouldn't be visable, and since a line only contains one of the three it is also not visable. It needs atleast two dimensions to be of true dimensional standards. With out length there can be no width or height, with out width there can be on length or height, but with out height there can still be length and width as long as both are present.*trimmed*Super String theory is based off that 10/11 dimensional structure, yes.
Time travel is folding through the 5th dimention in that model. Paradox-free time travel involves folding through the 6th or higher dimension.
Quick explanation of 10 dimensional structure (It's not quite accurate but a very good illustrative explanation)...
PART 1: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=JkxieS-6WuA
PART 2: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ySBaYMESb8o
A few things that should help anyone grasp some of these concepts are COSMOS by the awesome Carl Sagan and PBS's the Elegant Universe (presented by Brian Greene).
The actual reality of this sort of dimensional theory has way weirder concepts to grasp than Douglas Adams' and Terry Pratchett's best bollocks combined.
My favorite is that each successive dimension is at right angles to the preceding one.
1d is up-down
draw a line at right angles (90 degrees) to that to get 2d : up-down & left right
draw a line at right angles (90 degrees) to the preceding two to get 3d : up-down, left right & forward back
now the brain hurts when you try to imagine an angle of 90 degrees to all of those because we can only really easily think in terms of 3 dimensions. (it turns out it's time. 2D slices put together make a 3D object, 3D slices put together make a 4D object. I.e. a 4D object is a 3D object that exists over a period of time.)
Orthogonality, my one true foe.
Some of the two videos reinforced my understanding of Sliders and what they were doing, from the 6th dimension on, it's way over my head
I was looking into the "end of the world" claims and came to the conclusion that today is not the world-ending stuff. I am under the impression that they will only be testing the beam circulation on the 10th. The actual particle collisions won't occur until October 21st. And the way I understand what everyone's saying, it's the particle collisions that have the potential for strange and cataclysmic events.
Can anybody confirm or deny that this is correct?
Can anybody confirm or deny that this is correct?
Archaeus wrote:
Quoted from Wiki:Ah, I see somebody already brought this up.
"the first attempt to circulate a beam through the entire LHC is scheduled for 10 September 2008, and the first high-energy collisions are planned to take place after the LHC is officially unveiled, on 21 October 2008"
So...the world won't end in 6 days?
10011 wrote:
Still that lottery chance example doesnt seem to understanding. Seeing how this whole thing was man made for a purpose. Not spitting out numbers on white plastic sphreres. Which the purpose of those is to just get lucky.
Oh well; if the event ever does occur when some scientific device wipes mankind. Make sure your sleeping. Best to feel no pain in the split second it all happens. And would be more peaceful.
Humanity is its own worse enemy. ^_^
Archaeus wrote:Glad they tested it tho. Or further more did a pre-empted test. Seems a report shows the pre-phase warm up for the main test run showed a few things loose. Not sure if it was a few screws or whatnot. But hey, did they not say there was a 1 out of 100 million chance. Or as much of a chance in winning the lottery for something to go wrong? That one chance still exists. And seeing it is about something going wrong in those chances. It showed itself beforehand.Quoted from Wiki:Ah, I see somebody already brought this up.
"the first attempt to circulate a beam through the entire LHC is scheduled for 10 September 2008, and the first high-energy collisions are planned to take place after the LHC is officially unveiled, on 21 October 2008"
So...the world won't end in 6 days?
Still that lottery chance example doesnt seem to understanding. Seeing how this whole thing was man made for a purpose. Not spitting out numbers on white plastic sphreres. Which the purpose of those is to just get lucky.
Oh well; if the event ever does occur when some scientific device wipes mankind. Make sure your sleeping. Best to feel no pain in the split second it all happens. And would be more peaceful.
Humanity is its own worse enemy. ^_^
Virrago wrote:
In the words of the dude from FFVII in Coral walking around:
"You see that Meteor up there? Gonna come crashing down right? Well, it better hurry the %@%& up so I can kick it's damned %@#!"
Bring it black hole, lemme kick you in the rear end before you disentigrate me!
In other words, I lol'd
I'll get these guys to help:
MarsNova wrote:Seconded. Bring it on black hole!Meh if it happens we will just be blinked out of existence. So it wouldnt matter if it did swallow us up. Its better than getting shot right?
Ahhh... no more bills, taxes, rent, and I'd finally get a vacation... come on black hole!!
In the words of the dude from FFVII in Coral walking around:
"You see that Meteor up there? Gonna come crashing down right? Well, it better hurry the %@%& up so I can kick it's damned %@#!"
Bring it black hole, lemme kick you in the rear end before you disentigrate me!
In other words, I lol'd
I'll get these guys to help:
Yeah but 1 in a million chances happen 9 out of ten times! Lol. Yeah I've read up on this (Pure sciency stuff interests me even though most of the time I have no idea what it's all about) and they will be increasing the power and particle mass over the next few years or something like that. I just titled the thread as a lighthearted jibe at those who have claimed that 10th Sep marks the end of the world. Plus its a nice attention grabber! 
Last night/early this morning was the celebratory "Pajama Party" at Fermilab for the LHC's first beam. Beyond the surreality of being the only multiple-pierced/tattooed designer in a sea pajama-clad physicists and clients, it was a very cool atmosphere. Plus, no black hole.
English TV has proper been taking the mess out of this, ridiculing it ftw!!
shinpseudo wrote:
Last night/early this morning was the celebratory "Pajama Party" at Fermilab for the LHC's first beam. Beyond the surreality of being the only multiple-pierced/tattooed designer in a sea pajama-clad physicists and clients, it was a very cool atmosphere. Plus, no black hole.Ah well, those who were worried about it being turned on are now saying that it'll be several weeks/months before they actually smash any protons, even then it may take a while for a cataclysmic world ending event to happen. I just think they're disappointed. Even so I read that some guy in Australia has been using facebook or something to organise an end of the world party in Sydney. Aussies, any excuse for a drink!
ROFL
unless... it's soo powerful it destroyed the future, and we just haven't reached the future yet... and when we do reach the future, we'll all just get discombobulated, and some guy will just shout out "told ya so"
phi wrote:
http://www.hasthelhcdestroyedtheearth.com/Ha-hah! I knew what that page would say.
Procurator wrote:
How about "Not yet", which is in my opinion more accurate.
phi wrote:http://www.hasthelhcdestroyedtheearth.com/Ha-hah! I knew what that page would say.
How about "Not yet", which is in my opinion more accurate.
Nah. It's a matter of likelihood; the wording of the answer is very important.
Have I killed you? No.
Have I killed you? Not yet.
Procurator wrote:
Yeah, 'Not Yet' indicates that it hasn't but will eventually. There is no indication or evidence (at the moment) that the LHC will destroy the Earth at any time so 'No' is a lot more appropriate than 'Not Yet', at least at this point in time.Have I killed you? Not yet.
Rarebit, does, I've only done this once, mean you've only been incarnated once?
Seriously folks, wiped out by a black hole we create, by nuclear holocost we create, by global warming we create? There is a cafe at the end of the universe, address 42, that is a good place to be when the world ends. Lets just go out with a bang, not a whimper. (Sorry TS Eliot)
caillech wrote:
Gordon Freeman. In your place. Manipulating your Collider. XD
Or will it be this guy we all know and hate. doing the manipulation
Is it okay to cry conspiracy yet? XD
Does that bang include one hell of a laugh? I cant help be laugh at this seeing it goes so well hand in hand.Rarebit, does, I've only done this once, mean you've only been incarnated once?
Seriously folks, wiped out by a black hole we create, by nuclear holocost we create, by global warming we create? There is a cafe at the end of the universe, address 42, that is a good place to be when the world ends. Lets just go out with a bang, not a whimper. (Sorry TS Eliot)
Gordon Freeman. In your place. Manipulating your Collider. XD
Or will it be this guy we all know and hate. doing the manipulation
Is it okay to cry conspiracy yet? XD
Okay, I admit that shot of the G-Man lookalike kinda creeps me out.
lol this happened earlier on today and allready
theres been a floods
and landslides in china
and bears going mental and falling out of trees
lol it was a weather machine
theres been a floods
and landslides in china
and bears going mental and falling out of trees
lol it was a weather machine
Heheh, I saw the Freeman picture earlier today, but...
Avalod wrote:
Seriously, I reckon that a fictional character turning up and sabotaging the experiment is more likely than the world ending if the experiments aren't tampered with. You can still leave your crowbars in your toolsheds, though.
Avalod wrote:
Or will it be this guy we all know and hate. doing the manipulation...that's genuinely frightening.
Seriously, I reckon that a fictional character turning up and sabotaging the experiment is more likely than the world ending if the experiments aren't tampered with. You can still leave your crowbars in your toolsheds, though.
Procurator wrote:
And I was begging for a bit of more spice in life to. This would of done the trick.
Heheh, I saw the Freeman picture earlier today, but...Awwwww man. *puts rusty crowbar back in the shed*
Avalod wrote:Or will it be this guy we all know and hate. doing the manipulation...that's genuinely frightening.
Seriously, I reckon that a fictional character turning up and sabotaging the experiment is more likely than the world ending if the experiments aren't tampered with. You can still leave your crowbars in your toolsheds, though.
And I was begging for a bit of more spice in life to. This would of done the trick.
According to the Mayan calendar the world ends in 2012.
And I certainly hope the bang includes laughter!
caillech wrote:
U know it really wierd. I was listening to the radio a few months back and they were talking about Albert E. He said that the human race would parish if the bees in the world would die. After they would the human race had 4 years to figure out something. Or we would start dying off. A few months prior to that radio segment. Some scientist claimed that there was a servere decline in Bee population. Hence the 4 years time being 2012. Something to think about?
According to the Mayan calendar the world ends in 2012.
And I certainly hope the bang includes laughter!
U know it really wierd. I was listening to the radio a few months back and they were talking about Albert E. He said that the human race would parish if the bees in the world would die. After they would the human race had 4 years to figure out something. Or we would start dying off. A few months prior to that radio segment. Some scientist claimed that there was a servere decline in Bee population. Hence the 4 years time being 2012. Something to think about?
<./img>I've grown up reading various end-of-the-world predictions from various Catholic mystics/visionaries, so it's something I'm just used to. It's the how and when that is subject to conjecture, but I'm going with the Mayan Calendar's estimate of December 21st, 2012. I'm actually gonna be partying, since if it's so, I won't have to put up with lots of things: bills, being autistic, people bugging me about not being married/having a *hawt* career, evil Mrs. Tolliver at work, etc. I've even got a kickin' list of tunes I'm gonna blare as part of the countdown to the last seconds, said tunes including -- but not limited to:
--Various settings of the "Dies Irae" (medieval Catholic poem about the end of the world; used to be used in the funeral mass to remind the living of how short life is, so there's various settings of it by several classical composers: most notably Verdi, and Mozart)
-- "When the World Ends" -- Dave Matthews Band (Oakenfold remix, aka the version used in the endcredits of The Matrix Reloaded)
--"The End of the World as We Know It" -- R.E.M.
--"The Eve of Destruction" -- Barry Maguire (okay, yeah, 1960s protest song, but it's still very significant even today)
--"Komm, Susse Todt" -- End of Evangelion soundtrack ( :: Points to the image used for her signature:: 'Nuff said.)
That said, it could be that *IF* a minature black hole is created, it might not wipe us out right away. It could take four years for everything to slowly implode into it. Isn't it said that black holes get stronger and bigger only as they pull more matter into themselves? And if it's a minature one, it might be so small that it can only handle atoms or particles first, then graduates onto bigger particles and so on and so on until, yeah, it *is* sucking the whold world into itself. It very well could take four years for it to do significant damage to the space-time continuum......
MatrixRefugee wrote:
Europe - The Final Countdown
You're forgetting one more awesome "End-Of-The-World" song.I've even got a kickin' list of tunes I'm gonna blare as part of the countdown to the last seconds, said tunes including -- but not limited to:
--Various settings of the "Dies Irae" (medieval Catholic poem about the end of the world; used to be used in the funeral mass to remind the living of how short life is, so there's various settings of it by several classical composers: most notably Verdi, and Mozart)
-- "When the World Ends" -- Dave Matthews Band (Oakenfold remix, aka the version used in the endcredits of The Matrix Reloaded)
--"The End of the World as We Know It" -- R.E.M.
--"The Eve of Destruction" -- Barry Maguire (okay, yeah, 1960s protest song, but it's still very significant even today)
--"Komm, Susse Todt" -- End of Evangelion soundtrack ( :: Points to the image used for her signature:: 'Nuff said.)
That said, it could be that *IF* a minature black hole is created, it might not wipe us out right away. It could take four years for everything to slowly implode into it. Isn't it said that black holes get stronger and bigger only as they pull more matter into themselves? And if it's a minature one, it might be so small that it can only handle atoms or particles first, then graduates onto bigger particles and so on and so on until, yeah, it *is* sucking the whold world into itself. It very well could take four years for it to do significant damage to the space-time continuum......
Europe - The Final Countdown
Mave wrote:
MatrixRefugee wrote:Hee, I'm very open to suggestions. Thanks!You're forgetting one more awesome "End-Of-The-World" song.I've even got a kickin' list of tunes I'm gonna blare as part of the countdown to the last seconds, said tunes including -- but not limited to:
--Various settings of the "Dies Irae" (medieval Catholic poem about the end of the world; used to be used in the funeral mass to remind the living of how short life is, so there's various settings of it by several classical composers: most notably Verdi, and Mozart)
-- "When the World Ends" -- Dave Matthews Band (Oakenfold remix, aka the version used in the endcredits of The Matrix Reloaded)
--"The End of the World as We Know It" -- R.E.M.
--"The Eve of Destruction" -- Barry Maguire (okay, yeah, 1960s protest song, but it's still very significant even today)
--"Komm, Susse Todt" -- End of Evangelion soundtrack ( :: Points to the image used for her signature:: 'Nuff said.)
That said, it could be that *IF* a minature black hole is created, it might not wipe us out right away. It could take four years for everything to slowly implode into it. Isn't it said that black holes get stronger and bigger only as they pull more matter into themselves? And if it's a minature one, it might be so small that it can only handle atoms or particles first, then graduates onto bigger particles and so on and so on until, yeah, it *is* sucking the whold world into itself. It very well could take four years for it to do significant damage to the space-time continuum......
Europe - The Final Countdown
Dies Ire, dies ila, sabat mater in savila (or close if memory serves)
But seriously folks, the end of the world was suppose to happen within 30 years or so of Jesus's death (if you believe that mythology). Why worry, be happy!
Bayamos wrote:
Live Webcam feed from inside the LHCVery insightful, an enjoyable view.
Web cam screen capture from inside the LHC at powerup:
/as
caillech wrote:
Any indication of a cataclysmic event is an interpretation of somewhat extreme leanings. Much like Nostradamus saying "and lo a poorly time shall befall you" being interpreted as "Everything will end" instead of " you will have a bad day"
*edit* OMG I just looked at my desk callendar and the world ends at midnight on December 31st 2008! The end is nigh! God is coming... look busy!
Noooooo... The Mayan Calendar runs out / repeats it's cycle in 2012.According to the Mayan calendar the world ends in 2012.
And I certainly hope the bang includes laughter!
Any indication of a cataclysmic event is an interpretation of somewhat extreme leanings. Much like Nostradamus saying "and lo a poorly time shall befall you" being interpreted as "Everything will end" instead of " you will have a bad day"
*edit* OMG I just looked at my desk callendar and the world ends at midnight on December 31st 2008! The end is nigh! God is coming... look busy!
MatrixRefugee wrote:
It's not even a matter of it being too small to suck the planet in, it's an issue of it being too small to overcome itself. It'll simply vanish into thin air (sort of), never getting a chance to do anything even remotely nasty.That said, it could be that *IF* a minature black hole is created, it might not wipe us out right away. It could take four years for everything to slowly implode into it. Isn't it said that black holes get stronger and bigger only as they pull more matter into themselves? And if it's a minature one, it might be so small that it can only handle atoms or particles first, then graduates onto bigger particles and so on and so on until, yeah, it *is* sucking the whold world into itself. It very well could take four years for it to do significant damage to the space-time continuum......
phi wrote:
Noooooo... The Mayan Calendar runs out / repeats it's cycle in 2012.
Any indication of a cataclysmic event is an interpretation of somewhat extreme leanings. Much like Nostradamus saying "and lo a poorly time shall befall you" being interpreted as "Everything will end" instead of " you will have a bad day"
*edit* OMG I just looked at my desk callendar and the world ends at midnight on December 31st 2008! The end is nigh! God is coming... look busy!
Pretty much how I see it. Unless there is something really specific and seen, like a huge meteor heading straight for us and whoever works it out lets us know of the time of impending doom, I'm not going to be doing anything out of the ordinary. I'd like to party for the sake of partying but the theme would just get me down if it was just speculation.
End of the world based on a calendar? My old watch didn't have a date past 2051, but I doubt that time will cease then. Some Mayan guy is told to make a calendar and works on it for ages, there would come a point where he can't be arsed going through the endless days and months, goes 'that'll do, it's not like any of the bosses will live long enough to find out!
Isn't today the day it's supposed to start doing that crap that could create black holes?
O_o
O_o
ZippyTheSquirrel wrote:
yea, it already happend and we are now in an alternate universe... Steven Hawking was right the 1st time.
Isn't today the day it's supposed to start doing that crap that could create black holes?
O_o
yea, it already happend and we are now in an alternate universe... Steven Hawking was right the 1st time.
