Pacification Zone exploiting

You havnt seen nothing yet till you have people jump around in one to get a flag lock on people at a live event and attack you in a Pacification zone at a live event.

Check the event with Veil where she burned down the redpill depot.

You havnt seen nothing yet till you have people jump around in one to get a flag lock on people at a live event and attack you in a Pacification zone at a live event.

Check the event with Veil where she burned down the redpill depot.

What's the point of pacification zones on non-hostile servers?

Get rid of 'em.

What's the point of pacification zones on non-hostile servers?

Get rid of 'em.

I don't think you can call this an exploit, A pacification zone is meant to deflag you. therefore I guess it's more of a tactic rather than an exploit since an exploit is using a bug or unintended effect to give your player an advantage. Since as I said the pacification zone is meant to deflag your character then keeping under that "guideline" for determining an exploit with no leeway would mean that it is not an exploit. Although I'm going to say this isn't what this post is about.

Now I'm only taking what I see from your post so if I get this wrong point it out. Using a Sniper as an example, you're saying that the sniper will attempt to snipe someone, run and hardline out before going to the pacification zone then coming back to do one more snipe? Well I find the exploit currently pointless. I'm guessing it takes the player around about a minute give or take to find the pacification zone which will I'm guessing be the leftover from a live event which will be disabled within the near future. In which time if they hadn't bothered another sniper could have used Sniper shot another 2 times already. The only advantage the other one has is he can approach the battlefield unstealthed although the same can be acheived if the flagged sniper enters sneak so.......

I unfortunately find it hard to see it as a problem. Admittedly I play on a hostile server so this tactic/exploit is one I've not experienced but thats just my 2 cent.

Cheap tactics? Yes. Exploit? No. It works as designed.

Camp the zone and kill them as they retreat to it.

Well then the simple thing to do is to..... not have permanent pacification zones on non-hostile worlds. Is there a need?

Maybe it should be classified as an exploit.  Seriously though, if anyone is lame enough to do this, they deserve to be called coward at every possible opportunity.  I would never help them if they were in my org.

Another option would be to be unable to pvp for 10 minutes after leaving the pacification zone.

Syna wrote:

Another option would be to be unable to pvp for 10 minutes after leaving the pacification zone.

Interesting idea, but I don't think that would be implementable with the way the pacification zones are coded, same with my idea unfortunately, unless Dracomet wants to delve deep into the games code...

Vinia wrote:

Syna wrote:

Another option would be to be unable to pvp for 10 minutes after leaving the pacification zone.

Interesting idea, but I don't think that would be implementable with the way the pacification zones are coded, same with my idea unfortunately, unless Dracomet wants to delve deep into the games code...

Plus you'd have to make the combat system stop the player from attacking players but still allow them to attack NPC's.

Another alternative I could think of, is make it have an effect, like how you see the constant refresh signalbooster effect on the buffer, where it makes the interlock timer and free fire timers infinite while active, and immune to be hit or IL'd, much like how some of the abilities are set that way when you drop a box.  Refresh this every 5 seconds or something.  No one looses a flag, and once they leave the area, the effect goes away, and you're still flagged.

LtCmdr_Tsusai wrote:

Another alternative I could think of, is make it have an effect, like how you see the constant refresh signalbooster effect on the buffer, where it makes the interlock timer and free fire timers infinite while active, and immune to be hit or IL'd, much like how some of the abilities are set that way when you drop a box. Refresh this every 5 seconds or something. No one looses a flag, and once they leave the area, the effect goes away, and you're still flagged.

I like it, it solves the issue pointed out above, prevents combat inside the zone and doesn't force a deflag. The only problem I can see is the pacification zone in the rogers way fight club would make the club pointless. I guess it can be removed or turned off permanently though. Same would have to go for any other fight clubs with pacification zones though.

I've seen a lot of this on Syntax, although I won't mention who the usual people are, they will either go to the fight club in rogers way or the Sphinx, failing that, they jack out then back in again. It's an irritation and cheap, but yeah, problem is the zones do what they're designed to do. The only way around it I can think of is pacification zones won't allow you to flag while inside them but don't force you to deflag when inside, although this will allow deliberate inturruption to parties, fight club events if people go in pre-flagged.

For snipers, its a free blue snipe into IL, usually finishes off the person in IL then the sniper HJ's away to a close HL and goes to deflag, thankyou CQ. Rinse and repeat.

I have the solution.

Give non-pvpers "Pacification Grants". That will do two things:

a) allow the dissolution of permanent pacification zones. If a sniper or hacker drops a pacification zone for the above-mentioned exploit, the opposition can follow them to it and camp it.

b) allow the non-pvpers a chance to grief the pvpers a little. Or at least give them the opportunity to avoid being force-flagged.

I'm about to say something that's been talked about and shot down many, many times..PvP in constructs.

It'll fix this problem for a start...at the very least they won't be able to deflag themselves unless they leave the construct and if they do you can always get them as they come back.

People can use any excuse they wish about going to a construct but the bottom line is that it would stop people using this tactic along with many others.

As long as people can use something to their advantage, they will.....solution: remove that advantage.

No offense Grace, but i hardly see how this applies to you considering you're the first person to bail out of a fight the moment your HP dips past 50%...this applies to PvP who actually stay and fight and are picked off because certain people take advantage of a system.

Not trying to start anything...i'm just sayin.

Blue attacks are a major reason I left the blue servers. Some people will take this the wrong way but if you move to Vector you won't have this issue.

With that said good luck with your problem. 

Indeed, that is anothner option.

There are ways to change PvP on Syntax and Recursion and this has been available from the start, everybody knows it's there but they insist on not using it...instead they continue to post thread after thread on what's "wrong" or what "needs to be done"

So instead of simply moving to these said areas they instead discuss how areas in the game should be removed....

Move to constructs, if a large number of people do this then the rest will follow.

There are ways to change PvP on Syntax and Recursion and this has been available from the start, everybody knows it's there but they insist on not using it...instead they continue to post thread after thread on what's "wrong" or what "needs to be done"

So instead of simply moving to these said areas they instead discuss how areas in the game should be removed....

Move to constructs, if a large number of people do this then the rest will follow.

The problem with constructs for casual day to day PvP is their entry. Mara C is popular due to it's location and the fact it's a HL location. Meaning when you get killed, you can reconstruct and get into the fight as quickly as possible, Constructs extend the time inbetween fighting and you don't often have to hunt for opposition.

Also a plus point of PvP in Mara, shows new players that there are people playing on the server and showcases combat for them.

Moving PvP has been tried and it always ends up back at Mara.

Hanzyl and Gretyl wrote:

Blue attacks are a major reason I left the blue servers. Some people will take this the wrong way but if you move to Vector you won't have this issue.

With that said good luck with your problem. 

Indeed, that is anothner option.

There are ways to change PvP on Syntax and Recursion and this has been available from the start, everybody knows it's there but they insist on not using it...instead they continue to post thread after thread on what's "wrong" or what "needs to be done"

So instead of simply moving to these said areas they instead discuss how areas in the game should be removed....

Move to constructs, if a large number of people do this then the rest will follow.

Tsusai - I know how bad blue attacks can be, I put up with it for a long time and still go to recursion to pvp once in a blue moon. Although anoying I don't think this issue should get more than 1 or 2 hours of dev time to be honest. There are so many other things that I believe the majority of the games population would rather have fixed or added. Also keep in mind anything you plan has to work for the vector instance too as these zones I think were primarily meant for us.

I'm on Vector and when we do tournaments in pacification zones, people wait and immediately punt you as you get up from the duel when you're still flagged. And then when the person is dead they go back to being pacified. It's pretty cheap and disruptive to events and tournaments. It sucks, but I don't see any way around it. Oh well.

And the pacification zone has to be on all three servers. That's because it's a physical addition to the world. And they don't have separate patches for each server. Nor would they ever want to roll out separate patches for them to fix this problem.

I'm on Vector and when we do tournaments in pacification zones, people wait and immediately punt you as you get up from the duel when you're still flagged. And then when the person is dead they go back to being pacified. It's pretty cheap and disruptive to events and tournaments. It sucks, but I don't see any way around it. Oh well.

And the pacification zone has to be on all three servers. That's because it's a physical addition to the world. And they don't have separate patches for each server. Nor would they ever want to roll out separate patches for them to fix this problem.

Guess I spoke too soon about constructive criticism...
*rolls eyes*

Don't turn this thread into a "if you want better/real pvp go to Vector" or "This is solved by going to Vector".  That isn't the point of this thread, and I'm not letting fanboy lines like that from either side take over this thread.  I'm presenting an issue to everyone, and I want real input from the players on the non-hostile servers who notice this crap going on.

So, I tested out this so called "exploit" and I noticed something interesting. Rare didn't put a pacification zone in the surrounding clubs in mara/tabor/uriah/moriah. They seem to only be in non pvp oriented areas, which means that person would have to HL there everytime just to deflag. So they TP, deflag, TP, continue blue sniping/hacking/knifing. So I ask, what is the point of only having pacification zones in certain clubs, either have them in all or none.

What about this, after a player leaves a pacification zone, they get the "death effect" on its usual timer. That would at least be a disincentive to flag right up and go for another kill. And non-pvpers wouldn't notice nor care.

/as

If you flag for PvP, then try to unflag (the legit way), you have to wait like 5 minutes without combat, right? How about if you enter a Pacification Zone flagged, when you leave, your are reflagged? Or, if you type /pvp to prepare to unflag right before entering a Pacification Zone, your 5 minute wait timer will pick up right where you left off when you exit, assuming you leave before the timer would be up.

I hope that came out right and can be understood, it was hard to put into words.

Which would be implemented on the hostile servers as well, I'm not prepared to get Death Effect every time I wander in and out of a pacification zone, also it would be difficult during event times since the Death Effect will make players be 15% weaker as they start the fighting part of the event (assuming there is a fighting part after a pacification zone)