Pacification Zone exploiting

Somewhere, I've gotten the impression that exploits are defined by the devs as actions players take to increase the amount of information/$ they get beyond what is usual and predictable. If that is the case, and I could be wrong, then what is described here about using pacification zones is not an exploit.

Granted it's irritating to anyone who is pvping to get sniped and have not chance of revenge against the sniper. This discussion however reminds me of the rant about people who HJ from pvp when an opponent, or the opposing team targets them and their health begins to decrease. That debate raged for a very long time, was never solved and imo never will be.

People have different sytles in playing. I have this picture in my mind of the real person behind the "jumper" or the "sniper" sitting at their computer going "HA I gottcha," and then delighting in escaping,

Their money, their choice how to play. Short of never getting involved in pvp, this stuff will happen. My advice. Get over it, Have fun!  If you can't stand the people who "jump" and "snipe" if they ruin your fun pvping, find something else that is fun and do it.

There's always farming (sarcasm). BTW Read the recent Recursion event posted in live events. Ookomi took some people "hunting" as opposed to "farming."  Looks like a fun event.

In all honesty, it sounds like someone is complaining because they are at a disadvantage in PvP because another person is using a system exactly how it was supposed to be used. Pacification Zones, pacifying all PvP flags. I think the only reason you want it to be officially declared and exploit is so that you can turn around and shout "zomg exploits" every time you let a sniper LotS/Firearms you while you stand there helpless.

You see, people in PvP have generally accepted a "honor code" if you will. The whole, "if you HJ you're a coward" or "lol u heals, u r noob" and even this Pacification Zone drama. Perhaps people need to start realizing that game mechanics are game mechanics, and to treat people condescendingly for using game mechanics that suddenly place the former at a disadvantage because the latter isn't abiding by this "honor code", well I just find that a bit silly.

Call it cheap, call it exploits, but these are things you can do just as proficiently as the next person. All's fair in love and war, right?

In all honesty, it sounds like someone is complaining because they are at a disadvantage in PvP because another person is using a system exactly how it was supposed to be used. Pacification Zones, pacifying all PvP flags. I think the only reason you want it to be officially declared and exploit is so that you can turn around and shout "zomg exploits" every time you let a sniper LotS/Firearms you while you stand there helpless.

You see, people in PvP have generally accepted a "honor code" if you will. The whole, "if you HJ you're a coward" or "lol u heals, u r noob" and even this Pacification Zone drama. Perhaps people need to start realizing that game mechanics are game mechanics, and to treat people condescendingly for using game mechanics that suddenly place the former at a disadvantage because the latter isn't abiding by this "honor code", well I just find that a bit silly.

Call it cheap, call it exploits, but these are things you can do just as proficiently as the next person. All's fair in love and war, right?

In all honesty, it sounds like someone is complaining because they are at a disadvantage in PvP because another person is using a system exactly how it was supposed to be used. Pacification Zones, pacifying all PvP flags. I think the only reason you want it to be officially declared and exploit is so that you can turn around and shout "zomg exploits" every time you let a sniper LotS/Firearms you while you stand there helpless.

You see, people in PvP have generally accepted a "honor code" if you will. The whole, "if you HJ you're a coward" or "lol u heals, u r noob" and even this Pacification Zone drama. Perhaps people need to start realizing that game mechanics are game mechanics, and to treat people condescendingly for using game mechanics that suddenly place the former at a disadvantage because the latter isn't abiding by this "honor code", well I just find that a bit silly.

Call it cheap, call it exploits, but these are things you can do just as proficiently as the next person. All's fair in love and war, right?

So i done this for the first time yesterday... (only to show some wee bam that has been hiding, blue sniping then high tailing it to deflag, that i can do the same.)

For those of you that says it ain't an exploit, shame on yous. It says that normal pvp rules apply once you leave, in my opinion that is a bug then if you don't flag back up upon leaving.

Find a work about for it like maybe the way it says it should work. Until then i suppose i'll need to warn the hippies that do this cheap tactic and CCR one of the biggest wimps i'v saw (suppose thats the good thing about non hostile, i will actually be able to figure out how to send in a CCR lol)

I've seen that used/abused so many times at Mara C. it's now just normal to the pvp. In one way or another I will kill them.

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*summons PZ's smilie of doom*

Mindsweep wrote:

I've seen that used/abused so many times at Mara C. it's now just normal to the pvp. In one way or another I will kill them.

Just cause its normal to see the same bunch of people running to go deflag doesn't mean its right. Thats like saying you see the same bunch of people sploiting against roots but just leaving them cause its normal for them.

I was just going along the lines last night of 'if you can do it i'll do it too' but well i won't be, considering it does say that your flag should be back up.

It is quite pathetic. PvP is about attacking and getting attacked, not attacking and bailing so you can't be attacked till you decide again. Defeats the whole purpose of the pvp timer being there.

The_Bruceter wrote:

...considering it does say that your flag should be back up.

I agree that it's annoying and pathetic for those who blue snipe (or blue punt) to run and deflag so they can do it again and again. But the message doesn't say your flag should be back up, it says that normal pvp rules now apply once more, in non-hostile servers this means when you're unflagged, you remain unflagged until /pvp or attacking a hostile player.

Should it be changed so that the pvp timer resumes upon leaving or that the timer continues but the flag is dropped only when in the club (which means those who do it would have to stay in the club for the remainder of the time until they naturally deflag)? I would be all for that but I gather its technically difficult to code in a pause to the timer or to disassociate the flag from the timer.

One reason why a hostile server is better than non-hostiles. Is it CCR'able? I tend to doubt it, yes it's cheap, yes it tends to kill pvp most of the time but the pacification zone does what it's supposed to do. It deflags a player and upon leaving a pacification zone, unless you wander into a pvp zone, the server pvp rules apply. I'm sure it's been CCR'd countless times but personally I've not heard of anyone being warned for doing it continuously or anything. It's a trait of non-hostile servers which most of us who pvp on non-hostile servers have gotten used to and react to in a few ways.

Suppose you could be right Cro. Just can't believe some so called 'pvpr' stoops so low lol The way i see it is theres a pvp timer, so your flag should be up until the timer goes out. When you log into the game, does it say normal pvp rules apply? Does on vector for obvious reasons so if not, the game still thinks that your flag should be up.

During pvp its alright but its when its low numbers, 2 v 2 v 1 and then the wimp starts doing it, just makes it not good pvp at all. Tbh i think i'd prefer to hunt on a 'dead' vector that patricipate on that sort of crapiness. Was just a pity last night i knew it would be another zion/mach love fest on vector. 2 top CQ guys don't go for each other.. means others fall in suite, boo.

Croesis wrote:

...But the message doesn't say your flag should be back up, it says that normal pvp rules now apply once more, in non-hostile servers this means unflagged until /pvp or attacking a hostile player.

One reason why a hostile server is better than non-hostiles. Is it CCR'able? I tend to doubt it, yes it's cheap, yes it tends to kill pvp most of the time but the pacification zone does what it's supposed to do. It deflags a player and upon leaving a pacification zone, unless you wander into a pvp zone, the server pvp rules apply. I'm sure it's been CCR'd countless times but personally I've not heard of anyone being warned for doing it continuously or anything. It's a trait of non-hostile servers which most of us who pvp on non-hostile servers have gotten used to and react to in a few ways.

Spam aside, this is truth.

Leaving a pacification zone does not RESUME your PvP status, it RESETS it.  So by leaving it, your world rules apply once more.  It's not an exploit, it's just an annoyance.  It's really no different than suiciding out of PVP, being recalled out of a fight, logging out to rid DE or entering a duel to deflag.

Now back in the day while they were nerfing MKT, there was a short time where Sever Artery could be used against a hostile and it wouldn't flag you.  You could knife someone to death and never flag. 

ZippyTheSquirrel wrote:

Garu wrote:

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*summons PZ's smilie of doom*

DA** YOU squirrel, faster than me. I still got the original sized smiley ... when MxO goes down I'll post them a few times ^^

*lol @ extra large smiley*

Perhaps if they moved the pacification zones to clubs and fight clubs that are rather far from other hardlines this will reduce the frequency in which people can repeatedly take advantage of them. Admittedly I occasionaly use them to deflag myself if I just finished some PvP and want to move straight onto PvE or farming without waiting 5 minutes for my flag to drop.

The_Bruceter wrote:

Mindsweep wrote:

I've seen that used/abused so many times at Mara C. it's now just normal to the pvp. In one way or another I will kill them.

Just cause its normal to see the same bunch of people running to go deflag doesn't mean its right. Thats like saying you see the same bunch of people sploiting against roots but just leaving them cause its normal for them.

I was just going along the lines last night of 'if you can do it i'll do it too' but well i won't be, considering it does say that your flag should be back up.

It is quite pathetic. PvP is about attacking and getting attacked, not attacking and bailing so you can't be attacked till you decide again. Defeats the whole purpose of the pvp timer being there.

I just wan't to point out to Mr.BrucyManFromVectorWithNobuffs that Dev's have been knowing of the "root sploit" for a very long time. It was even used in some LE's and well known to RB. Still this problem is not fixed, but don't blame the players for that, we are paying them to fix these kinds of problems.

I agreed it's sucks big time and it's very cheap and kills pvp etc. etc. etc. But I can't, You can't and no other player can stop it. Guess who can?

Mindsweep wrote:

..But I can't, You can't and no other player can stop it. Guess who can?

You can't stop the beat.

Garu wrote:

Mindsweep wrote:

..But I can't, You can't and no other player can stop it. Guess who can?

You can't stop the beat.

Off switch?

<_< >_>

This is annoying, but it's not an exploit. An exploit is the use of a bug to gain unfair advantage. This is the cheap use of something that is perfectly legal.

JEasy wrote:

*lol @ extra large smiley*

That's like only 1/10th of the original size, though. Thus we named it Pz's smiley of forum doom.

-_-

GoDGiVeR wrote:

ZippyTheSquirrel wrote:

Garu wrote:

Mindsweep wrote:

Garu wrote:

Mindsweep wrote:

Garu wrote:

*summons PZ's smilie of doom*

DA** YOU squirrel, faster than me. I still got the original sized smiley ... when MxO goes down I'll post them a few times ^^

Can you send me the link? I lost it... truth: that's the only reason I didn't post it! I had to google search for this version. :(

Edit: Huh? What? Off-topic? Meh, whatever, I'm out of here in three days anyway... oh, fine. I agree with those people that say it's a cheap move, but not an exploit. Very very dirty--but not illegal! Kinda like picking the obviously overpowered character/team in a fighting/strategy game all the time.

Vesuveus wrote:

This is annoying, but it's not an exploit. An exploit is the use of a bug to gain unfair advantage. This is the cheap use of something that is perfectly legal.

When you log ingame, does it say normal PvP rules apply? That is what it says when you leave the Paci zone which to me means you should be still flagged, meaning its a bug getting used to gain an unfair advantage (deflag before you should be able to.)

I'm not gonna argue with yous till i'm blue in the face, i'm just gonna /bug it. Why let people get away with doing 1 hit and running off? lol Whats next, buffer in there to recall? lol

As i said i had done it to go 'ha 2's up, i can do it to' but relised it pretty much says you should be flagged (PvP rules apply) so then it should be a bug.

I'v just got the impression from yous all that its 'meh so and so does it, i can do it, so who cares.'

All i ask for is to be flagged when you walk back out, which surely is possible since your pvp timer must be still running for it to kick up a messgage saying PvP rules apply.

Jeez, stop being 'carebears'...

Let me put it this way...

your playing a FPS, FF on. Some wee bam is rocket launchering you every time he sees you. You get the chance and fire 20 bullets into his head, nothing happens...

Thats what its like, how can yous say that aint a bug lol If someone is to kill you, your expected to manage to go back and kill them.

Fair enough it may take what, 20 secs to do, back at mara c deflagged... lol

At least with vector it is only recalls and sneak attacks rather than that radgy blue attacking lol So easy.

The_Bruceter wrote:

Vesuveus wrote:

This is annoying, but it's not an exploit. An exploit is the use of a bug to gain unfair advantage. This is the cheap use of something that is perfectly legal.

Jeez, stop being 'carebears'...

The_Bruceter wrote:

Let me put it this way...

your playing a FPS, FF on. Some wee bam is rocket launchering you every time he sees you. You get the chance and fire 20 bullets into his head, nothing happens...

Thats what its like, how can yous say that aint a bug lol If someone is to kill you, your expected to manage to go back and kill them.

Fair enough it may take what, 20 secs to do, back at mara c deflagged... lol

At least with vector it is only recalls and sneak attacks rather than that radgy blue attacking lol So easy.

Bruce, it's the spoils of PVPing on a non-hostile server.  There are tons of disadvantages to it in comparison to Vector.  Better be glad you weren't around for all the blue-rezzing.  Now THAT was a pain in the arse!

I wouldn't concern myself with those that use such cheap tricks.  Clearly they do it to generate a reaction and, frankly, you're giving them plenty o lulz for getting so worked up over it.  Pay them no mind and just focus on the people who PvP to have fun, not to irritate.

The_Bruceter wrote:

All i ask for is to be flagged when you walk back out, which surely is possible since your pvp timer must be still running for it to kick up a messgage saying PvP rules apply.

No, no it isn't, I thought this had been explained. Look for the key word in the message:

the flag has been turned off.. and just as the message says in the second line, when you leave the pacification zone:

Normal PvP rules that apply to a non-hostile server are 'Non-Hostile until typing /pvp, attacking a Hostile player or entering a PvP zone'. Hostile worlds are one big PvP zone which is why your flags turn back on after leaving.

Should it be back on when leaving, I still say yes with the Paci zone either pausing the pvp timer or still allowing it to continue in the background. However it doesn't and no matter how many times this has been CCR'd, /bug'd, complained about on the forums, it's not changed and it's unlikely to change.

If you're gonna PvP on a 'carebear' server you'd just have to get used to the extra danger of blue snipes/punts etc..

Ah fook it, if you can't beat them, join them i suppose.... a pity though cause it just ain't quite pvp... lol

@Garu: Everytime i see someone bail to a hardline it cracks me up lol Its the fear has gripped them so they need to be safe again. As soon as i roll, he's straight to the hardline lol All I would like is for an issue like that which really does spoil PvP, to not be so easy and accessable to do lol but nope, everyone does it so its cool.

I don't see it as an extra danger lol you can see them do it, i ain't blind... just i'm a bit use use to being able to hinder the sniper/mkt or even if they do kill me, come back and hunt for them. Suppose that would be to much for the poor wee mutt, to much chance of getting caught.

It is a pity though, been trying to get some people to hit 50 over there for when its only a couple of us v a gank or for when its us v no-one, but all this just shows it. Everyone was right all these years lol

Hardly any pvp now a days anyways so all i'll say is:  WHO CARES

The_Bruceter wrote:

Ah fook it, if you can't beat them, join them i suppose.... a pity though cause it just ain't quite pvp... lol

@Garu: Everytime i see someone bail to a hardline it cracks me up lol Its the fear has gripped them so they need to be safe again. As soon as i roll, he's straight to the hardline lol All I would like is for an issue like that which really does spoil PvP, to not be so easy and accessable to do lol but nope, everyone does it so its cool.

I don't see it as an extra danger lol you can see them do it, i ain't blind... just i'm a bit use use to being able to hinder the sniper/mkt or even if they do kill me, come back and hunt for them. Suppose that would be to much for the poor wee mutt, to much chance of getting caught.

It is a pity though, been trying to get some people to hit 50 over there for when its only a couple of us v a gank or for when its us v no-one, but all this just shows it. Everyone was right all these years lol

Back to Vector with you Bruce!   Don't upset the non-PvPers

Villemar_MxO wrote:

Back to Vector with you Bruce!   Don't upset the non-PvPers

I know right!  I'd be happy to snipe you and not run for my life to the nearest hardline. ^^

The_Bruceter wrote:

Vesuveus wrote:

This is annoying, but it's not an exploit. An exploit is the use of a bug to gain unfair advantage. This is the cheap use of something that is perfectly legal.

When you log ingame, does it say normal PvP rules apply? That is what it says when you leave the Paci zone which to me means you should be still flagged, meaning its a bug getting used to gain an unfair advantage (deflag before you should be able to.)

I'm not gonna argue with yous till i'm blue in the face, i'm just gonna /bug it. Why let people get away with doing 1 hit and running off? lol Whats next, buffer in there to recall? lol

As i said i had done it to go 'ha 2's up, i can do it to' but relised it pretty much says you should be flagged (PvP rules apply) so then it should be a bug.

I'v just got the impression from yous all that its 'meh so and so does it, i can do it, so who cares.'

All i ask for is to be flagged when you walk back out, which surely is possible since your pvp timer must be still running for it to kick up a messgage saying PvP rules apply.

Jeez, stop being 'carebears'...

If you're on vector and don't re-flag, I'd agree that it's a bug.

The function of the pacification zone is to shut off flags. On Syntax and Recursion, this means they remain off until the player types that happy little command. That's normal pvp rules. If there is a problem with that, then there must be a bug. I wouldn't know. I don't pvp.

Jeez, stop 'double posting'...