59 posts · 2008-07-17 15:22:09 to 2008-10-20 22:58:10
As soe seems to be unaware,there are still a high number of characters with stats over 30....This is because when they fixed the exploit,they for some reason never reset us all and gave us a stat hack....
Please rare do a one time reset and give us all one stat hack..the few chars still doing this are quite annoying..
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i have been in favor of this for a while if i knew what my stats were then n now i would have ben something else Rignt now i got the basic stats for MKT/Gunman Gunman is usally my loadout of choice but mkt kinda suck at i would to work around something were my stats could be twards Gunman and Hacker
Didnt know this still exsisted. But yes plz make something happen!Oh yeah,it still exists.It's not very hard to notice it either..
I don't really see a problem with leaving it as it is either.
Cadsuane wrote:It's not an exploit. I don't use it.I don't really see a problem with leaving it as it is either.Only reason I can see that someone has no problem with this, would be if they used this exploit themselves!
ArchangeI wrote:Cadsuane wrote:It's not an exploit.I don't really see a problem with leaving it as it is either.Only reason I can see that someone has no problem with this, would be if they used this exploit themselves!
Cadsuane wrote:Spot on mateArchangeI wrote:Cadsuane wrote:It's not an exploit.I don't really see a problem with leaving it as it is either.Only reason I can see that someone has no problem with this, would be if they used this exploit themselves!
Perhaps you're misunderstanding the premise, because it's about as blatant an exploit as could be.
Back before the fix, you could set yourself up somewhere nice and laggy in Downtown, for instance, and proceed to apply stats to certain areas with great rapidity. Due to the lag, the system couldn't keep up with your mouse clicks, and eventually wound up overcompensating. People ended up with stats beyond 30 (enjoying massive damage output, or impenetrable defense, and giving birth to dozens of naked PvP'ers), making it an exploit.
It was fixed long ago (hence why I can safely mention how to pull it off), so you could no longer do it, but those who had already, kept their stats as they were. So, this is proposing that we reset everyone's stats to combat that.
It's not a big deal to execute, and it would only inconvenience us so much as having to reapply stats, and reading a MOTD.
!Perhaps you're misunderstanding the premise, because it's about as blatant an exploit as could be.Hm. I'm not saying my memory is perfect but so far as I can recall; players used to be able to allocate their attribute points as they wished and it wasn't until around or just after Blue Sky that attributes were capped at 30. I don't remember anything about lag being necessary but I could be wrong as I can't find mention of the cap in any Update Notes.
Back before the fix, you could set yourself up somewhere nice and laggy in Downtown, for instance, and proceed to apply stats to certain areas with great rapidity. Due to the lag, the system couldn't keep up with your mouse clicks, and eventually wound up overcompensating. People ended up with stats beyond 30 (enjoying massive damage output, or impenetrable defense, and giving birth to dozens of naked PvP'ers), making it an exploit.
exsuscito wrote:It's always been 30 in Cr2 since it's been live and everyones stats were reset so that nobody would have stats over 30 as Cr2 was released.Perhaps you're misunderstanding the premise, because it's about as blatant an exploit as could be.Hm. I'm not saying my memory is perfect but so far as I can recall; players used to be able to allocate their attribute points as they wished and it wasn't until around or just after Blue Sky that attributes were capped at 30. I don't remember anything about lag being necessary but I could be wrong as I can't find mention of the cap in any Update Notes.
Back before the fix, you could set yourself up somewhere nice and laggy in Downtown, for instance, and proceed to apply stats to certain areas with great rapidity. Due to the lag, the system couldn't keep up with your mouse clicks, and eventually wound up overcompensating. People ended up with stats beyond 30 (enjoying massive damage output, or impenetrable defense, and giving birth to dozens of naked PvP'ers), making it an exploit.
Stats were capped at 30 as part of CR2 and a roll-back like suggested happened to avoid just this problem. It seems this lag bug was a way around that but was never rolled back once the problem was fixed. Hence this thread.Ah, I see. In that case I retract my previous statement concerning the status of the problem. Thanks for the explanation.
ArchangeI wrote:This is a well know exploit Cadsuane.I'm amazed by your responce!Cadsuane wrote:It's not an exploit. I don't use it.I don't really see a problem with leaving it as it is either.Only reason I can see that someone has no problem with this, would be if they used this exploit themselves!
I'll thank you not to point the finger.
I can't find mention of the cap in any Update Notes.
These forums are bugged, there's a second page worth of responses
Reset and a free Stat Hack to everyone to compensate.
Cant complain...
Noooooooooooooooo, Not my bugged attributes!
Anything but those! 
Noooooooooooooooo, Not my bugged attributes!
Anything but those!
Had no idea this was still going on, pretty big bug/sploit if it is. Fix plz.What he said.
but tbh i can't see it being alot of people.If a global reset does exactly what it says on the tin and eliminates the exploit plus wouldn't cause a plethora of other issues, I'm all for it.
Why, why do people still complain about exploits? This is the matrix! Exploits are everywhere, the system isn't perfect and some players, like myself, can easily fight in pvp without any good clothes or exploits.
I never could understand why exploiting was a problem, though I don't do it, I've faced off with many players that have done it to me. And guess what, about half of them I still owned. It's a matter of tactics, for some people, exploiting is their only way to win, for others, like myself, having fun is my win. But this globle restat or whatever, I suppose if it's needed then go for it, although I perfer when someone is exploiting ageinst me, I like the challenge. 
Some funny reactions to this thread...to sum up...
To spot this exploit...this person usually won't enter tourneys so they have not had to stat hack....
They will not put themselves in a postition to be weak as far was the stats they are low in.
It's not an end of the world exploit,but it is annoying since it could have been so easily fixed yet never was..
You sir may want to watch your ego, at this rate it shall expand beyond the universe.Why, why do people still complain about exploits? This is the matrix! Exploits are everywhere, the system isn't perfect and some players, like myself, can easily fight in pvp without any good clothes or exploits.
I never could understand why exploiting was a problem, though I don't do it, I've faced off with many players that have done it to me. And guess what, about half of them I still owned. It's a matter of tactics, for some people, exploiting is their only way to win, for others, like myself, having fun is my win. But this globle restat or whatever, I suppose if it's needed then go for it, although I perfer when someone is exploiting ageinst me, I like the challenge.
Surely the Character database is accessible by the Dev's? How difficult would a search be for Characters with attributes >30? Find them, slap wrists, set that attribute to 30 and refund the difference.
Although a complete reset would probably be a lot quicker and easier on the Dev's.
Its probably not that difficult Im guessing but I can see why resetting all of us would simply be easier and far less hassle for the devs.Surely the Character database is accessible by the Dev's? How difficult would a search be for Characters with attributes >30? Find them, slap wrists, set that attribute to 30 and refund the difference.
Although a complete reset would probably be a lot quicker and easier on the Dev's.
If you have proof someone has stats above 30 then report them to CS.Unfortunately there is no way of actually proving anything. We can suspect but it could just be someone who Buffs or Tb's a lot......
If you have proof someone has stats above 30 then report them to CS.
If you have proof someone has stats above 30 then report them to CS.
Okay, let me just log on their account and check their stats...
It may seem a little extreme, but why not just do it regardless of concrete proof?
It won't hurt anything or anyone, and the issue would be conclusively banished.
exsuscito wrote:It may seem a little extreme, but why not just do it regardless of concrete proof?
It won't hurt anything or anyone, and the issue would be conclusively banished.
I don't even think it's an extreme solution. Who would argue with a free stat-hack other than someone benefitting from a glitch that can no longer be replicated?
Garu wrote:I might even go back to Sniper/Rifles.exsuscito wrote:It may seem a little extreme, but why not just do it regardless of concrete proof?
It won't hurt anything or anyone, and the issue would be conclusively banished.
I don't even think it's an extreme solution. Who would argue with a free stat-hack other than someone benefitting from a glitch that can no longer be replicated?
I mean extreme for those who demand conclusive proof. Couldn't agree more.
No reason not to, every reason to go ahead with it.