Sharpshooter and Multi-Fighting... and Cryptography.

As far as I know both of these abilities are just useless wastes of memory space.

If this is the case, I was hoping we could all discuss possible uses for these abilities.

Sharpshooter

Perhaps this ability could temporarily decrease the re-use timers for guns in free-fire combat. I thought this could be interesting, and would not have everyone firing their weapons at the same speed (given they are using the same type of weapon).

If this were to cause a problem, i.e. DPS or something, perhaps the memory cost for the ability could be increased.

Multi-Fighting

I have not spent as much time comtemplating Multi-Fighting as I have Sharpshooter, so I will not be surprised if the quality between both ideas differentiates. Multi-Fighting could possibly become a coned attack, or remain the same way it is.

If it were to remain how it is, in terms of ability type, perhaps we could make it somewhat like Iron Body, but covering all types of attacks. However, some may argue that this does not make it MA specific. If we are trying to make it MA specific, then perhaps it could just cut down the reuse timer for a free-fire melee attack - which has one crazy timer (4 or 5 seconds).

Cryptography

Didn't want to exclude it from the discussion.

These are just a couple possibilities, so if you have any better (or worse) ideas, please post them here.

Speaking of redundant abilities, put a level cap of 25 on hyperjump already.

As far as I know both of these abilities are just useless wastes of memory space.

If this is the case, I was hoping we could all discuss possible uses for these abilities.

Sharpshooter

Perhaps this ability could temporarily decrease the re-use timers for guns in free-fire combat. I thought this could be interesting, and would not have everyone firing their weapons at the same speed (given they are using the same type of weapon).

If this were to cause a problem, i.e. DPS or something, perhaps the memory cost for the ability could be increased.

Multi-Fighting

I have not spent as much time comtemplating Multi-Fighting as I have Sharpshooter, so I will not be surprised if the quality between both ideas differentiates. Multi-Fighting could possibly become a coned attack, or remain the same way it is.

If it were to remain how it is, in terms of ability type, perhaps we could make it somewhat like Iron Body, but covering all types of attacks. However, some may argue that this does not make it MA specific. If we are trying to make it MA specific, then perhaps it could just cut down the reuse timer for a free-fire melee attack - which has one crazy timer (4 or 5 seconds).

These are just a couple possibilities, so if you have any better (or worse) ideas, please post them here.

Sharpshooting actually does do something but its not apparent perhaps. In its details it states it removed the Penalty for shooting into IL. After checking the ability it does infact do this. So if you use Free Fire attacks without this loaded you are being penalized for it.

Multifighting indeed doesn't do anything at this time.

Sharpshooting actually does do something but its not apparent perhaps. In its details it states it removed the Penalty for shooting into IL. After checking the ability it does infact do this. So if you use Free Fire attacks without this loaded you are being penalized for it.

Multifighting indeed doesn't do anything at this time.

Sharpshooting actually does do something but its not apparent perhaps. In its details it states it removed the Penalty for shooting into IL. After checking the ability it does infact do this. So if you use Free Fire attacks without this loaded you are being penalized for it.

Multifighting indeed doesn't do anything at this time.

Does Sharpshooter run off of a point system or does it just negate any penalty that is evident when firing into IL?

If it just runs off of points, maybe Multi-Fighting could increase the penalty for firing into interlock.

EDIT: Multi-Fighting*

Does Sharpshooter run off of a point system or does it just negate any penalty that is evident when firing into IL?

If it just runs off of points, maybe Multi-Fighting could increase the penalty for firing into interlock.

EDIT: Multi-Fighting*

Does Sharpshooter run off of a point system or does it just negate any penalty that is evident when firing into IL?

If it just runs off of points, maybe Multi-Fighting could increase the penalty for enemies for being attacked while in interlock.

GAH!

I asked about this on Redpill rescue not a month ago and was told it did nothing. Thanks for clarifying 9mmfu! This is in fact exactly what i always thgt it did, and then i had some other people question that.

To triple clarify then, when free-firing at an opponent who is also "free", there is no penalty. However, when free-firing at an individual who is IL'd with SOMEONE ELSE, there is, in fact, a penalty, and Sharpshooter negates that penalty.

This is actually quite sensible when you think about it... If two people are engaged in IL, it should be hard for a gunman to shoot at just one, and not end up hitting both. So you need a special skill to grant the ability to consistently distinguish your targets.

I almost think it would be cool if, without sharpshooter, you occasionally HIT the other person in IL... but, meh, why rock the boat.

To finish, am in agreement that something should be done about multi-fighting... remove it or give it a function for crying out loud. And also what cloudwolf said about HJ cap... again. Already been threads on this, but good to keep bumping it, the more people talk the more likely something might eventually happen

So we do something like.. Sharpshooter adds CT when firing at an interlocked target and Multi-fighting adds Toughness against anyone attacking you while you're in interlock (except the person you are interlocking). 

How about have multifighting provide either a passive concentration buff or activatable concentration increase for a short time. While fighting in IL or even when freefiring and people are shooting at you or you have DOT's sometimes you abs miss due to damage, concentration stops the damage from interrupting your skills. So an ability (I'm not sure if there is another which does the same, I'm pretty sure there isn't one but if I'm wrong  I don't think a lower level, non stacking skill would be detrimental would it?

GAH!

I asked about this on Redpill rescue not a month ago and was told it did nothing. Thanks for clarifying 9mmfu! This is in fact exactly what i always thgt it did, and then i had some other people question that.

To triple clarify then, when free-firing at an opponent who is also "free", there is no penalty. However, when free-firing at an individual who is IL'd with SOMEONE ELSE, there is, in fact, a penalty, and Sharpshooter negates that penalty.

This is actually quite sensible when you think about it... If two people are engaged in IL, it should be hard for a gunman to shoot at just one, and not end up hitting both. So you need a special skill to grant the ability to consistently distinguish your targets.

I almost think it would be cool if, without sharpshooter, you occasionally HIT the other person in IL... but, meh, why rock the boat.

To finish, am in agreement that something should be done about multi-fighting... remove it or give it a function for crying out loud. And also what cloudwolf said about HJ cap... again. Already been threads on this, but good to keep bumping it, the more people talk the more likely something might eventually happen

I like this idea, however it may be difficult to implement. I could see it changing how fast some people jump into IL and serve as an excuse for a broken truce during PvP. Also, I would imagine it would be difficult since some out of IL moves require a specific combat state (i.e. Full Auto Redux, Full Auto, etc.).

Vinia wrote:

How about have multifighting provide either a passive concentration buff or activatable concentration increase for a short time. While fighting in IL or even when freefiring and people are shooting at you or you have DOT's sometimes you abs miss due to damage, concentration stops the damage from interrupting your skills. So an activatable concentration buff ability (I'm not sure if there is another skill which does the same) available at a lower level, which doesn't stack with any other concentration buff skills (if they exist) wouldn't be detrimental to combat would it?

It is very often that my concentration prevents the interruption of an ability, but it does not outroll the other ability used by whoever I am interlocked with. I am not asking for this to ensure that a concentrated ability's success in IL, so perhaps it could increase Determination? Maybe make it a buff (somewhat like Mobius Code) and grant temp immunity to all attacks, or possibly just status ailments.

I am very happy with how quickly this thread has grown, and how rapidly the ideas are changing.

Vinia wrote:

How about have multifighting provide either a passive concentration buff or activatable concentration increase for a short time. While fighting in IL or even when freefiring and people are shooting at you or you have DOT's sometimes you abs miss due to damage, concentration stops the damage from interrupting your skills. So an activatable concentration buff ability (I'm not sure if there is another skill which does the same) available at a lower level, which doesn't stack with any other concentration buff skills (if they exist) wouldn't be detrimental to combat would it?

It is very often that my concentration prevents the interruption of an ability, but it does not outroll the other ability used by whoever I am interlocked with. I am not asking for this to ensure that a concentrated ability's success in IL, so perhaps it could increase Determination? Maybe make it a buff (somewhat like Mobius Code) and grant temp immunity to all attacks, or possibly just status ailments.

I am very happy with how quickly this thread has grown, and how rapidly the ideas are changing.

TheShickle wrote:

Vinia wrote:

How about have multifighting provide either a passive concentration buff or activatable concentration increase for a short time. While fighting in IL or even when freefiring and people are shooting at you or you have DOT's sometimes you abs miss due to damage, concentration stops the damage from interrupting your skills. So an activatable concentration buff ability (I'm not sure if there is another skill which does the same) available at a lower level, which doesn't stack with any other concentration buff skills (if they exist) wouldn't be detrimental to combat would it?

It is very often that my concentration prevents the interruption of an ability, but it does not outroll the other ability used by whoever I am interlocked with. I am not asking for this to ensure that a concentrated ability's success in IL, so perhaps it could increase Determination? Maybe make it a buff (somewhat like Mobius Code) and grant temp immunity to all attacks, or possibly just status ailments.

I am very happy with how quickly this thread has grown, and how rapidly the ideas are changing.

I was thinking more about it being more useful for the lower levels rather then the higher levels, the only problem is with my idea I guess is that it's in the Operative tree and that type of ability would be useful for all trees. Your ideas sound good though.

Concentration is useless for anyone in interlock unless they activate MA prowess for instance every 10 seconds....
....Determination on the other hand is kinda useless for all lvls (unless a lvl 40 decides to kill some lvl 30s for god knows what reason and loads it).

The Leo wrote:

Concentration is useless for anyone in interlock unless they activate MA prowess for instance every 10 seconds....
....Determination on the other hand is kinda useless for all lvls (unless a lvl 40 decides to kill some lvl 30s for god knows what reason and loads it).

Wow... these and the sharpshooter revelation, make me feel quite, quite stupid...

Vinia wrote:

The Leo wrote:

Concentration is useless for anyone in interlock unless they activate MA prowess for instance every 10 seconds....
....Determination on the other hand is kinda useless for all lvls (unless a lvl 40 decides to kill some lvl 30s for god knows what reason and loads it).

Wow... these and the sharpshooter revelation, make me feel quite, quite stupid...

Trust me you are not the only one who doesn't know. I remember the first time 9mmfu explained determination I unloaded it immediately and thought to myself tht I wasted so much time and IS activating it all the time.

The Leo wrote:

Vinia wrote:

The Leo wrote:

Concentration is useless for anyone in interlock unless they activate MA prowess for instance every 10 seconds....
....Determination on the other hand is kinda useless for all lvls (unless a lvl 40 decides to kill some lvl 30s for god knows what reason and loads it).

Wow... these and the sharpshooter revelation, make me feel quite, quite stupid...

Trust me you are not the only one who doesn't know. I remember the first time 9mmfu explained determination I unloaded it immediately and thought to myself tht I wasted so much time and IS activating it all the time.

Its mad that 150pt worth of determination doesn't do a heck of a lot! Oh well, we're moving a bit off topic. I'd like to see something done with Multifighting. I guess considering where it is it'd only really benefit operatives. MA looks as though it'd get the most benefit considering where it is, perhaps it may aid Gunners a bit too.

So if you use Free Fire attacks without this loaded you are being penalized for it.

I still don't really understand the significance of Sharpshooter...the whole firing into interlock thing is bizarre in my opinion.

As for Multifighting, in CR1 it was designed to give a boost to the person who got interlocked by more than one person

Doesn't Crptography give back code bits? I mean, when you make an ability then use the tool on it. It eats up the ability and gives you code bits.

for crypotgraphy possably have plot items and things like voice recordings and newsclippings that are encrypted, and need to be decrypted. it could be set up like the decompile tool is.

just throwing that out there

Sharpshooter needs to be a Ballistic accuracy buff for 20 seconds. say +20pts

Multifighting 20pts of resistance against all classes for 20 seconds.

With my experience it seems gunners lack Interlock accuracy especially against a hackers upgrade attacks and Mkt's insane accuracy upon interlock they would also need to Fix Gunmans abilties the breaking etc.

Martial arts is another story.

As for Cryptography i think that should increase the duration of a Red frag consumed by the coder buff to Keep the +5 Code writing buff for much longer as you can barely code one abilty after consuming a red frag, say a 2% Duration per level? so you would have double the time after consuming any red frag.

Sharpshooter needs to be a Ballistic accuracy buff for 20 seconds. say +20pts

Multifighting  20pts of resistance against all classes for 20 seconds.

Sharpshooter needs to be a Ballistic accuracy buff for 20 seconds. say +20pts

Multifighting 20pts of resistance against all classes for 20 seconds.

With my experience it seems gunners lack Interlock accuracy especially against a hackers upgrade attacks and Mkt's insane accuracy upon interlock they would also need to Fix Gunmans abilties the breaking etc.

Martial arts is another story.

As for Cryptography i think that should increase the duration of a Red frag consumed by the coder buff to Keep the +5 Code writing buff for much longer as you can barely code one abilty after consuming a red frag, say a 2% Duration per level? so you would have double the time after consuming any red frag.

Endomorph wrote:

Sharpshooter needs to be a Ballistic accuracy buff for 20 seconds. say +20pts

Multifighting 20pts of resistance against all classes for 20 seconds.

With my experience it seems gunners lack Interlock accuracy especially against a hackers upgrade attacks and Mkt's insane accuracy upon interlock they would also need to Fix Gunmans abilties the breaking etc.

Martial arts is another story.

As for Cryptography i think that should increase the duration of a Red frag consumed by the coder buff to Keep the +5 Code writing buff for much longer as you can barely code one abilty after consuming a red frag, say a 2% Duration per level? so you would have double the time after consuming any red frag.

I think we got enough resistance buffs as it is... If multifighting is useless I suggest an entirely new ability tht roots/stun/enrage for MAs.

I dont think it should be beneficial to MA at all.

if you guys had the abilty to root/stun someone drop someones evade in two hits it would be gameover for classes like Spy and hacker i think MA has enough Variety to mix up it seems that Guns doesnt (Excluding sniper).

and in terms of non passive buffs for resistance off the top of my head the 4 abilitys in awakened come to mind and it would take 8 memory to load them all for 75pts in each tree to be used one at a time what i suggested would take 1 memory to have 20pts against all 4 classes making it more Pvp specific, of course it would have to be on the same timer as the likes of "Adrenaline Booster".

The Leo wrote:

Endomorph wrote:

Sharpshooter needs to be a Ballistic accuracy buff for 20 seconds. say +20pts

Multifighting 20pts of resistance against all classes for 20 seconds.

With my experience it seems gunners lack Interlock accuracy especially against a hackers upgrade attacks and Mkt's insane accuracy upon interlock they would also need to Fix Gunmans abilties the breaking etc.

Martial arts is another story.

As for Cryptography i think that should increase the duration of a Red frag consumed by the coder buff to Keep the +5 Code writing buff for much longer as you can barely code one abilty after consuming a red frag, say a 2% Duration per level? so you would have double the time after consuming any red frag.

I think we got enough resistance buffs as it is... If multifighting is useless I suggest an entirely new ability tht roots/stun/enrage for MAs.

I dont think it should be beneficial to MA at all. Why? Sharpshooter is and there is a MA tree under it too.

if you guys had the abilty to root/stun someone drop someones evade in two hits it would be gameover for classes like Spy and hacker i think MA has enough Variety to mix up it seems that Guns doesnt (Excluding sniper). Spy handles fine in IL which is discussed in another thread. I doubt that will be a problem. And it would give a bit more chance against being rooted/stunned by any other class out of IL. Guns has loads of varieties. Long range or IL based or faster shoot rate or more damage, you name it.

and in terms of non passive buffs for resistance off the top of my head the 4 abilitys in awakened come to mind and it would take 8 memory to load them all for 75pts in each tree to be used one at a time what i suggested would take 1 memory to have 20pts against all 4 classes making it more Pvp specific, of course it would have to be on the same timer as the likes of "Adrenaline Booster". The 4 abilities in the awakened tree are there for you to choose and load them not to evade them and come up with something easier.

Endomorph wrote:

The Leo wrote:

Endomorph wrote:

Sharpshooter needs to be a Ballistic accuracy buff for 20 seconds. say +20pts

Multifighting 20pts of resistance against all classes for 20 seconds.

With my experience it seems gunners lack Interlock accuracy especially against a hackers upgrade attacks and Mkt's insane accuracy upon interlock they would also need to Fix Gunmans abilties the breaking etc.

Martial arts is another story.

As for Cryptography i think that should increase the duration of a Red frag consumed by the coder buff to Keep the +5 Code writing buff for much longer as you can barely code one abilty after consuming a red frag, say a 2% Duration per level? so you would have double the time after consuming any red frag.

I think we got enough resistance buffs as it is... If multifighting is useless I suggest an entirely new ability tht roots/stun/enrage for MAs.

I dont think it should be beneficial to MA at all. Why? Sharpshooter is and there is a MA tree under it too.

if you guys had the abilty to root/stun someone drop someones evade in two hits it would be gameover for classes like Spy and hacker i think MA has enough Variety to mix up it seems that Guns doesnt (Excluding sniper). Spy handles fine in IL which is discussed in another thread. I doubt that will be a problem. And it would give a bit more chance against being rooted/stunned by any other class out of IL. Guns has loads of varieties. Long range or IL based or faster shoot rate or more damage, you name it.

and in terms of non passive buffs for resistance off the top of my head the 4 abilitys in awakened come to mind and it would take 8 memory to load them all for 75pts in each tree to be used one at a time what i suggested would take 1 memory to have 20pts against all 4 classes making it more Pvp specific, of course it would have to be on the same timer as the likes of "Adrenaline Booster". The 4 abilities in the awakened tree are there for you to choose and load them not to evade them and come up with something easier.

Regardless of where Sharpshooter is or whats above or below it isnt on the MA tree that is the same with Multifighting.

In terms of Variety in guns i wasnt speaking about range i was talking about interlock, MKT and Hacker and on a good chance an MA can decimate a gunman in interlock its not even funny,ontop of that there moves break so easily and have done since the start of CR 2.0

And again for your final point its not about not using the awakened abilties because they would still be used for fighting in 1 v 1 situations or against whatever class the majority is in pvp, its about making the ability have some use and resistance against all 4 classes in my opinion seems the best thing for it.

AnXieTy762 on Mulifighting(Posted on his behalf)

AnXieTy762 whispers>Here's an award winning idea... Leave the ability alone so you dont completely unbalance whats left of the combat system. And an even better idea for this ability... Delete it from the game that way people cant cry that it doesnt have any function... Problem solved.

The Leo wrote:

Endomorph wrote:

The Leo wrote:

Endomorph wrote:

Sharpshooter needs to be a Ballistic accuracy buff for 20 seconds. say +20pts

Multifighting 20pts of resistance against all classes for 20 seconds.

With my experience it seems gunners lack Interlock accuracy especially against a hackers upgrade attacks and Mkt's insane accuracy upon interlock they would also need to Fix Gunmans abilties the breaking etc.

Martial arts is another story.

As for Cryptography i think that should increase the duration of a Red frag consumed by the coder buff to Keep the +5 Code writing buff for much longer as you can barely code one abilty after consuming a red frag, say a 2% Duration per level? so you would have double the time after consuming any red frag.

I think we got enough resistance buffs as it is... If multifighting is useless I suggest an entirely new ability tht roots/stun/enrage for MAs.

I dont think it should be beneficial to MA at all. Why? Sharpshooter is and there is a MA tree under it too.

if you guys had the abilty to root/stun someone drop someones evade in two hits it would be gameover for classes like Spy and hacker i think MA has enough Variety to mix up it seems that Guns doesnt (Excluding sniper). Spy handles fine in IL which is discussed in another thread. I doubt that will be a problem. And it would give a bit more chance against being rooted/stunned by any other class out of IL. Guns has loads of varieties. Long range or IL based or faster shoot rate or more damage, you name it.

and in terms of non passive buffs for resistance off the top of my head the 4 abilitys in awakened come to mind and it would take 8 memory to load them all for 75pts in each tree to be used one at a time what i suggested would take 1 memory to have 20pts against all 4 classes making it more Pvp specific, of course it would have to be on the same timer as the likes of "Adrenaline Booster". The 4 abilities in the awakened tree are there for you to choose and load them not to evade them and come up with something easier.

Regardless of where Sharpshooter is or whats above or below it isnt on the MA tree that is the same with Multifighting. Sharpshooter -> guns Multifighting -> MAs

In terms of Variety in guns i wasnt speaking about range i was talking about interlock, MKT and Hacker and on a good chance an MA can decimate a gunman in interlock its not even funny,ontop of that there moves break so easily and have done since the start of CR 2.0 Yes but I meant to use the ability for out of IL...

And again for your final point its not about not using the awakened abilties because they would still be used for fighting in 1 v 1 situations or against whatever class the majority is in pvp, its about making the ability have some use and resistance against all 4 classes in my opinion seems the best thing for it. Can't argue with that as long as it doesnt use 60 IS...

My idea for Multi-Fighting is that it might allow you to use powers such as Kung-Fu freefire on more than one enemy at once, via increasing the range and targets applicable. Good idea, no?

EDIT: At the very least, it would make people want to use free-fire MA more...

ZETAX101 wrote:

My idea for Multi-Fighting is that it might allow you to use powers such as Kung-Fu freefire on more than one enemy at once, via increasing the range and targets applicable. Good idea, no?

EDIT: At the very least, it would make people want to use free-fire MA more...

I like this idea, possibly turn Multi-Fighting into a stance of it's own or something and restrict it to free-fire. It could create a coned hit or something, or maybe a radial attack (somewhat like swirling ki summon or the other area from aikido) that damages opponents within an "X meter" radius.