Update 60 Discussion - May 15, 2008

Thanks fellas.

This is a good one 

Very, very nice. 

Edit to remove pseudospam.

Captain(s), eh? Hmmm.

Bayamos wrote:

Captain(s), eh? Hmmm.

Yeah, the level 45 and the level 70 boss.

They were in the last few image retrievals.

Female gi's now include pants

¬_¬  Boo  Guess I'll be recycling the Gi when I log on tomorrow, got enough clothing with pants thanks.

And where is the 'Level 100 Agents have been removed'?  >_>

Cool patch though (apart from the Gi change), I should be busy tomorrow

And where is the 'Level 100 Agents have been removed'?  >_>

SolidRevolver wrote:

And where is the 'Level 100 Agents have been removed'?  >_>

I think that's going to be staying in for quite a while longer.

Yeah, got that from the story summary.

"Machines mobilized their programs to begin fighting Zion once again"

Underlined for irony.

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"Machines mobilized their programs to begin fighting Zion once again"

Underlined for irony.

SolidRevolver wrote:

"Machines mobilized their programs to begin fighting Zion once again"

Underlined for irony.

How is that ironic? After Halborn showed up, the Machines significantly scaled back their operations against Zion and EPN. 

kou_urake wrote:

SolidRevolver wrote:

"Machines mobilized their programs to begin fighting Zion once again"

Underlined for irony.

How is that ironic? After Halborn showed up, the Machines significantly scaled back their operations against Zion and EPN. 

'Mobilized once again' implies they stopped, which they didn't, we still got level 100 Agents spawning on us.
But this is about the Update notes.  To be honest I am half annoyed by the Pants on Gi change, I was hoping it wouldn't go through as I actually used the Gi as opposed to all the Pants I used ingame (I never wear the mini-skirts.)

How many Machine criticals were against Zion installations? How many LE's were against Zion targets? Not as many as there would have been without Halborn and Carlyne in the picture. The storyline isn't just restricted to Agent spawns.

As for the Gi, I may start wearing them now, they were far too short before.

I hope that gi issue means they're adding in female gis that have pants and not removing the female gi as seen in Final Flight of the Osiris.

If the good gis are being removed, I'm kicking your *CENSORED* for me never getting to see Bindi in a digital bathrobe again, Rarebit.

How many Machine criticals were against Zion installations? How many LE's were against Zion targets? Not as many as there would have been without Halborn and Carlyne in the picture. The storyline isn't just restricted to Agent spawns.

As for the Gi, I may start wearing them now, they were far too short before.

I havent been doing the Crits, sort of lost interest in the story after a couple months of not getting any real info on the Intruders.  And I very rarely catch Live Events.  If the the Agent spawns are there to enhance RP then surely they should have been removed or at very leased cut back to very rare spawns over this time to mirror the cut back after it became second priority?  Then return them back to their annoying selfs for tomrrows patch.

And I was already using the Gi, as were many other people.

But I know the Agents are hear to stay, and I guess my female alt will have to be permanetly in pants

I very much doubt that there will be two different types of Gi for female characters, for one it would mean another clothing slot taken up in the database and secondly the notes said female gi's now include pants and not Gi's with pants have been added. I see that the Tiger Coat wasn't changed to a Gi for females, this was down to the different clothing slots Gi's have for men and women. Gotta wonder who designed them that way...

As for the Agents, newbies usually stay in Richland to mission and level long enough to find out about the Agents, both the lvl 255 Access Agents (which are just as frustrating to newbies of any Org) and the lvl 100 war Agents.

As for spawning Machinist's in Westview and International I don't see that working tbh. There are fewer Machinists than Zionites (Storywise not actual player figures) and it would be just as prohibitive in time and manpower to stop a Zionite as a random attack as it would be for Zionite Operatives to spawn on Machinists (Zionite aligned Sim's, on the other hand, would be a better idea but that would mean having access to the simulation that the Machines cant detect or shutdown easily). Agents are a far more efficient way to do the intended job.

Zionites are meant to run when they see an Agent, but as mentioned in another thread, running isn't always possible or a single jump (if possible) gets rid of them which isn't very realistic. Some adjustments, as previously stated by a few people, to the spawns would make it more realistic, whether those adjustments are possible is another matter...

Zionites are meant to run when they see an Agent, but as mentioned in another thread, running isn't always possible or a single jump (if possible) gets rid of them which isn't very realistic. Some adjustments, as previously stated by a few people, to the spawns would make it more realistic, whether those adjustments are possible is another matter...

I very much doubt that there will be two different types of Gi for female characters, for one it would mean another clothing slot taken up in the database

Roukie, if that would be the case, then I'd expect Agent NPC's to spawn on the Zionite NPC's... That would be fun...

As for the Gi's I've spoken to quite a few people who welcome the change, myself included. Thinking a little realistically, apart from the fact that Gi's probably wouldn't be worn other than in competitions and training constructs, a woman wouldn't really wear a short Gi with no pants unless she was trying to seduce or flirt with a male (or female... I guess). Personally I think that while testosterone levels might sink a bit with the change (they're still quite revealing at the top) perhaps a female MA in a tournament wearing a Gi might be regarded more for fighting skill than the boys waiting for her to do a sky high.

For those who may respond saying 'it's only polygons' I heartily agree, I don't see how many prefer the pantless if it's 'only polygons'. We still have short (very short) skirts with a large range of tops to mix and match for parties, combat etc...

Roukie, if that would be the case, then I'd expect Agent NPC's to spawn on the Zionite NPC's... That would be fun...

As for the Gi's I've spoken to quite a few people who welcome the change, myself included. Thinking a little realistically, apart from the fact that Gi's probably wouldn't be worn other than in competitions and training constructs, a woman wouldn't really wear a short Gi with no pants unless she was trying to seduce or flirt with a male (or female... I guess). Personally I think that while testosterone levels might sink a bit with the change (they're still quite revealing at the top) perhaps a female MA in a tournament wearing a Gi might be regarded more for fighting skill than the boys waiting for her to do a sky high.

For those who may respond saying 'it's only polygons' I heartily agree, I don't see how many prefer the pantless if it's 'only polygons'. We still have short (very short) skirts with a large range of tops to mix and match for parties, combat etc...

Vinia wrote:

Roukie, if that would be the case, then I'd expect Agent NPC's to spawn on the Zionite NPC's... That would be fun...

As for the Gi's I've spoken to quite a few people who welcome the change, myself included. Thinking a little realistically, apart from the fact that Gi's probably wouldn't be worn other than in competitions and training constructs, a woman wouldn't really wear a short Gi with no pants unless she was trying to seduce or flirt with a male (or female... I guess). Personally I think that while testosterone levels might sink a bit with the change (they're still quite revealing at the top) perhaps a female MA in a tournament wearing a Gi might be regarded more for fighting skill than the boys waiting for her to do a sky high.

For those who may respond saying 'it's only polygons' I heartily agree, I don't see how many prefer the pantless if it's 'only polygons'. We still have short (very short) skirts with a large range of tops to mix and match for parties, combat etc...

Final Flight of the Osiris proves why they should stay.

At the bathhouse parties Catzi and I held female Gi's made really good "Bath Robes".

I don't know why the devs always do things in extremes. People have differing opinions so why not give us BOTH what we want. Instead of this all or nothing policy where the change pleases one group and annoys another. Half the time they can give both groups what they want but just... don't. It really can't be THAT hard to just add one Gi with pants and one without. Then EVERYONE is happy. Hopefully there will be a hotfix for this.

As for the spawns. Why not have low level Machine programs in Westview (The ones in Riot gear) Mid levels in International (The ones with beret's on) and Agents in DT. The exact level can be determined by the devs but scale back the ones in International and Westview for the benefit of newbies.

That makes more sense to me.

A "certain" group screams loud enough, and the devs cave...

Vinia wrote:

Roukie, if that would be the case, then I'd expect Agent NPC's to spawn on the Zionite NPC's... That would be fun...

As for the Gi's I've spoken to quite a few people who welcome the change, myself included. Thinking a little realistically, apart from the fact that Gi's probably wouldn't be worn other than in competitions and training constructs, a woman wouldn't really wear a short Gi with no pants unless she was trying to seduce or flirt with a male (or female... I guess). Personally I think that while testosterone levels might sink a bit with the change (they're still quite revealing at the top) perhaps a female MA in a tournament wearing a Gi might be regarded more for fighting skill than the boys waiting for her to do a sky high.

For those who may respond saying 'it's only polygons' I heartily agree, I don't see how many prefer the pantless if it's 'only polygons'. We still have short (very short) skirts with a large range of tops to mix and match for parties, combat etc...

Final Flight of the Osiris proves why they should stay.

I agree phully. a very good reason to not add pants to the Gi.  Why after all this time, decide to add pants to them?  Because someone complained they were too short after 4 years? I just don't get it. :/

TheShickle wrote:

Vinia wrote:

Roukie, if that would be the case, then I'd expect Agent NPC's to spawn on the Zionite NPC's... That would be fun...

As for the Gi's I've spoken to quite a few people who welcome the change, myself included. Thinking a little realistically, apart from the fact that Gi's probably wouldn't be worn other than in competitions and training constructs, a woman wouldn't really wear a short Gi with no pants unless she was trying to seduce or flirt with a male (or female... I guess). Personally I think that while testosterone levels might sink a bit with the change (they're still quite revealing at the top) perhaps a female MA in a tournament wearing a Gi might be regarded more for fighting skill than the boys waiting for her to do a sky high.

For those who may respond saying 'it's only polygons' I heartily agree, I don't see how many prefer the pantless if it's 'only polygons'. We still have short (very short) skirts with a large range of tops to mix and match for parties, combat etc...

Final Flight of the Osiris proves why they should stay.

You essentially proved her point.

Her point is based on the assumption that all the Gi does is promote sex, which is not true. It is a perverse mind that automatically leaps to such assumptions, and those who do as the assumption says are even worse.

As for me proving her point, was the Gi the only reason he looked? No. He looked because it was being removed . The Gi was not being used as a flirtation device either, so with your assumption of me proving her assumptions, it puts your mind up alongside the perverse.

Yeah, I bolded flirtation device. Heheheh.

EDIT: (Nothing wrong with being perverse though).

Roukan wrote:

TheShickle wrote:

Vinia wrote:

Roukie, if that would be the case, then I'd expect Agent NPC's to spawn on the Zionite NPC's... That would be fun...

As for the Gi's I've spoken to quite a few people who welcome the change, myself included. Thinking a little realistically, apart from the fact that Gi's probably wouldn't be worn other than in competitions and training constructs, a woman wouldn't really wear a short Gi with no pants unless she was trying to seduce or flirt with a male (or female... I guess). Personally I think that while testosterone levels might sink a bit with the change (they're still quite revealing at the top) perhaps a female MA in a tournament wearing a Gi might be regarded more for fighting skill than the boys waiting for her to do a sky high.

For those who may respond saying 'it's only polygons' I heartily agree, I don't see how many prefer the pantless if it's 'only polygons'. We still have short (very short) skirts with a large range of tops to mix and match for parties, combat etc...

Final Flight of the Osiris proves why they should stay.

You essentially proved her point.

Her point is based on the assumption that all the Gi does is promote sex, which is not true. It is a perverse mind that automatically leaps to such assumptions, and those who do as the assumption says are even worse.

As for me proving her point, was the Gi the only reason he looked? No. He looked because it was being removed . The Gi was not being used as a flirtation device either, so with your assumption of me proving her assumptions, it puts your mind up alongside the perverse.

Yeah, I bolded flirtation device. Heheheh.

EDIT: (Nothing wrong with being perverse though).

Good update  I'm happy that we now going to get all the guns updated for level 50's also.

It really can't be THAT hard to just add one Gi with pants and one without.

And where is the 'Level 100 Agents have been removed'?  >_>

Looks good. Nice going, Devs.

Pylat wrote:

It really can't be THAT hard to just add one Gi with pants and one without.

It can, unfortunately. I'll have to dig up the post where Rare explained it, but from what I recall the change to the gis affects all gis because the change was made to its base model. To have gis without trousers/bottoms (pants indeed " />) there would have to be a new base model from which all those could be based. And there is very little space in the database for new base models.

Here it is: http://forums.station.sony.com/mxo/...mp;#36300447865

I'm afraid...



...strikes again.

We need not only new database but new servers seeing these lag immensly on wednesdays.

As for the Gi's I've spoken to quite a few people who welcome the change, myself included. Thinking a little realistically, apart from the fact that Gi's probably wouldn't be worn other than in competitions and training constructs, a woman wouldn't really wear a short Gi with no pants unless she was trying to seduce or flirt with a male (or female... I guess). Personally I think that while testosterone levels might sink a bit with the change (they're still quite revealing at the top) perhaps a female MA in a tournament wearing a Gi might be regarded more for fighting skill than the boys waiting for her to do a sky high.

I dont perv on Sniper, I have never donned a Gi and gone to so Sky High kicks with someone.  I am more peeved at the fact that because most of my clothing styles all have pants (I dont like the miniskirts and I am MKT so all my combat clothing has pants too) the Gi (which looks uniquie) is the only thing I use on her without Pants.  Now because of a self confessed joke, I have to bin the Gi.  All the people who actually used to the Gi, Catzi's party, all not considered, mabey we dont matter because, again, thats how it looks.

I just fail to see the logic on changing this Gi because people actually used it, if they were left pantless, you cant miss what you never had, but they have gone and changed them and annoyed all the people that used them.  It would be like Xbox 360 (which is basically a set of games where you murder as many people as possible) getting a series of exclusives of Barbie games. 

This would would have been a perfect patch (for MxO) but they just had to ruin it, it was like removing the ability to load the Ballictis and Viral Hypers together and instead of allowing us to load any combo of 2 Hypers, they just allow us to load 1.  Or not removing those Agents 2 months after they started.

Vinia wrote:

Roukie, if that would be the case, then I'd expect Agent NPC's to spawn on the Zionite NPC's... That would be fun...

As for the Gi's I've spoken to quite a few people who welcome the change, myself included. Thinking a little realistically, apart from the fact that Gi's probably wouldn't be worn other than in competitions and training constructs, a woman wouldn't really wear a short Gi with no pants unless she was trying to seduce or flirt with a male (or female... I guess). Personally I think that while testosterone levels might sink a bit with the change (they're still quite revealing at the top) perhaps a female MA in a tournament wearing a Gi might be regarded more for fighting skill than the boys waiting for her to do a sky high.

For those who may respond saying 'it's only polygons' I heartily agree, I don't see how many prefer the pantless if it's 'only polygons'. We still have short (very short) skirts with a large range of tops to mix and match for parties, combat etc...

Final Flight of the Osiris proves why they should stay.

lol about the GI discussion. Come on, there are many other new stuff in this update then just the GI pants, witch i think is about time they came. We need Male Ninja mask!!!

lol about the GI discussion. Come on, there are many other new stuff in this update then just the GI pants, witch i think is about time they came. We need Male Ninja mask!!!

Couldn't care less about the new stuff if it means taking away things I already liked.  To use another Metaphor, "We are adding a new construct, but we are deleting Sakura"

I know for a fact I would have used Pantless Gis a lot more than a face mask that currently goes with nothing.

EDIT: It is also the thought behind it too.  It was brought up as a half joke and by the time 2 or 3 people aggreed, it was changed.  Yet there is a massive long thrad about how those Agent spawns are annoying yet there is not even a comprimise.