My own personal assessment of Theresa Morton is that she should not be approached for awakening any time soon which is something I can not stress enough. While Mrs. Morton is requesting information on what happened and why it happened she is motivated only by her husbands death and not any desire to know the truth. Awakening her now could be costly and dangerous to her mental health. For all investigative purposes she should be watched closely so that we may learn more about her husbands death and for her own protection.
Commander GamiSB Anderson's Heart E Pluribus Neo
I don't think she should be approached for awakening, ever. You have enough sense to realize now is not the time, but her later reaching out for the truth may just be a cause of her loss and a great deal of depression, let the woman sleep.
That is for her to decided, not you or me. Things have a habit of changing and while she is not ready today who's to say she never will be? Many redpills have come to the truth by concurring their own depression and realising the need to free themselves from their own self created "Matrices". The quest for the Truth almost always follows soon after in which case she will then become a danger to the system and either need to be silenced or awakened.
The Commander is correct..
Mrs. Morton is in a very vulnerable state at the moment.. She lost her husband under the worse possible of circumstances. She is seeking the truth in many forms, she suspects there is more to her husband's death then what she was told by the "police". There is reason to believe her husband did indeed see things that he should not have seen... We will have to continue to approach her with care.
The quest for the Truth almost always follows soon after in which case she will then become a danger to the system and either need to be silenced or awakened.
Not necessarily, unless aided by certain parties, the truth is hard to find on your own within society. As I said, Self aware can be dangerous to the system and others around them, this would necessitate awakening. But self awareness is very rare, at most people people would have a nagging feeling in their mind, one that can fade and get stronger depending on influences, situations and day to day activities however, its a feeling that many can live with quite easily. Many of these people, even if their minds have rejected some part of the simulation are still dependant on it for the most part so awakening would quite likely be fatal or very damaging at least.
Get your information about the husbands death, but let her mourn his passing and give her the chance to get on with her life without further interference.
I have to ask though, would you be doing this if you'd awakened her husband, or would you have left her alone having achieved your target?
The quest for the Truth almost always follows soon after in which case she will then become a danger to the system and either need to be silenced or awakened.
Not necessarily, unless aided by certain parties, the truth is hard to find on your own within society. As I said, Self aware can be dangerous to the system and others around them, this would necessitate awakening. But self awareness is very rare, at most people people would have a nagging feeling in their mind, one that can fade and get stronger depending on influences, situations and day to day activities however, its a feeling that many can live with quite easily. Many of these people, even if their minds have rejected some part of the simulation are still dependant on it for the most part so awakening would quite likely be fatal or very damaging at least.
Get your information about the husbands death, but let her mourn his passing and give her the chance to get on with her life without further interference.
I have to ask though, would you be doing this if you'd awakened her husband, or would you have left her alone having achieved your target?
The key word was "almost" however i still stand by what I said. If left alone to be picked at by the person, a splinter will fester and infect all around it. So a questioning mind will pick at the questions that trouble them and this then leads to a complete take over of thinking. Insomnia, detachment, depression, the list goes on of symptoms that are just the forefront of what can and will happen if left alone. But the quest for "The Truth" is not only what this analogy applies to.
Mrs Morton displayed none of those symptoms as her husband did until after he died. Her current frame of mind is clearly in the form of wanting a resolution to her husbands death and trying to find one. Picking at "why?" until she goes mad. While Mr. Morton sought enlightenment, Mrs. Morton now seeks comfort. They both knew/know what they sought/seek is out their and until they find it feel as if they are incomplete. Which again if left alone and to their own can lead to dangerous and extreme conditions.
But to answer your question, I was personally was not aware of Mrs. Morton's existence until her husband died as I had no interest in the case other then to observe and make sure those freeing Mr. Morton did so in a proper manor. Once I heard he had left behind a wife I felt sympathy towards her because we have all left behind people we loved and I would have hoped that the crew that awakened me explained it as best as they could to my family (though i doubt they did I'm sad to say). I can not speak on behalf of everyone in EPN but I myself would have at least tried to help her cope with her husbands disappearance just as I try to now with his death.
Yes you said 'Almost', but that means very nearly or all but and I agree that this may not be about the truth about the simulation but the reasons why her husband got shot, but in your same supposition you said that 'she will then become a danger' if its reasons why and not wanting to find out the truth of the simulation then she will present no danger to the system. Perhaps she could be a danger to herself if, by her investigations, she is seen as another target by the shooter or whoever employed him/her, but I doubt she's become a serious danger to the simulation.
Hundreds of husbands, wives, sons, daughters, mothers, fathers die every day, people mourn their passing with the help of friends and family and learn to move on, with added counselling if necessary. If she is on her own with no friends and no family to grieve with and to help her through this difficult time I would agree that she could suffer from some form of depression. So I agree with your previous comment on not approaching her.
By all means find out what you can about the shooter, but as you said give her a wide berth, room to breath and to get her head sorted.
Yes you said 'Almost', but that means very nearly or all but and I agree that this may not be about the truth about the simulation but the reasons why her husband got shot, but in your same supposition you said that 'she will then become a danger' if its reasons why and not wanting to find out the truth of the simulation then she will present no danger to the system. Perhaps she could be a danger to herself if, by her investigations, she is seen as another target by the shooter or whoever employed him/her, but I doubt she's become a serious danger to the simulation.
Hundreds of husbands, wives, sons, daughters, mothers, fathers die every day, people mourn their passing with the help of friends and family and learn to move on, with added counselling if necessary. If she is on her own with no friends and no family to grieve with and to help her through this difficult time I would agree that she could suffer from some form of depression. So I agree with your previous comment on not approaching her.
By all means find out what you can about the shooter, but as you said give her a wide berth, room to breath and to get her head sorted.
But she will persent a danger. In fact the cities very federal prisons and asylums (if such exist) are a testament to what can happen when the human psyche is left to fix itself and not helped to coup or deal. Mrs. Morton has been left alone in a very cruel city with a husband to bury and a very bitter mother in law which is why we are working to help her through this along with why her husband was killed. Not to free her as she still has yet to prove that she wants out or to know that Truth only to help her through a tough time.
Mrs.Morton will, undoubtedly, be unable to rest and build towards creating a new life for herself until she knows exactly what happened to the person she loved - and why. The operative question being whether this knowledge requires her to understand the nature of the Simulation.
One which is perhaps best left to Mrs.Morton to answer.
But she will persent a danger. In fact the cities very federal prisons and asylums (if such exist) are a testament to what can happen when the human psyche is left to fix itself and not helped to coup or deal. Mrs. Morton has been left alone in a very cruel city with a husband to bury and a very bitter mother in law which is why we are working to help her through this along with why her husband was killed. Not to free her as she still has yet to prove that she wants out or to know that Truth only to help her through a tough time.
By all means but most likely more of a danger to herself rather than the simulation. Prisons and Asylums exist to prevent a person from inflicting harm on themselves and fellow citizens. If they represent a true danger to the simulation they would not be kept in it. I'm not aware of her current situation but having no friends and family (that would help her) does mean a difficult situation.
I implore those of you who are 'trying to help', do it, but do it for her. Help her get on with her life as Gami seems to be doing, just don't do it if all you're doing it for is to 'free' a mind.
How very sad all of this is... Someone's very existience is shattered to the core, and all you can think about is adding another soldier to your rosters in a bloody war that fragile humans were never meant to fight.
How very sad all of this is... Someone's very existience is shattered to the core, and all you can think about is adding another soldier to your rosters in a bloody war that fragile humans were never meant to fight.
learn2readz kthxbai!
But seriously I believe I made it clear that at this point we are NOT looking to awaken Mrs. Morton.
The implied point that I've gotten from all of this is not yet... How long do we have to people like myself have to wait before you realize that any more awakened blues are a threat to the stability of the system.?
Not yet is a fair enough consideration where Mrs Morton is concerned, just the same as not ever. Time will be the only thing that holds those answers. Her status as a potential for extraction is nullified until any such factors present themselves--if at all. Regardless of the system, that is the only realization we need in not pursuing her any further or for any other bluepill for that matter.
EPN operatives 7h0r, Dajustifier, and Dibol made contact with Li Meng this evening at the grocery store where she was employed.. Although initially reserved, she related to us how her brother was supposedly killed in automobile accident, but his body was never recovered. Li Meng stated that a year ago,she saw her brother alive, but was unable to speak with him. She was assured by us that every attempt would be made to discover the fate of her brother.
I wish to commend the work of the operatives that were present, especially 7h0r.
I have been advised that once she has made a full recovery from the extraction process, she will jack in to assist us in this investigation. Further information will be forthcoming...
Tsk tsk, children... While you're busy running around setting more humans free, has any thought been given to the exiles you plan on killing after the last human mind has been freed from the prison you claim they've been trapped in?
Last night, Theresa Morton, an innocent bluepill, was taken into Machine custody during the course of an EPN operation. She had recently reported to us that she had seen suspicious activity in the Morrell bank building, which was very close to the area where her husband had been murdered.
Theresa had been under surveillance for some time by both Agents and Machine operatives, and had reached out to EPN for help. At the time of the operation, she believed that she had access to information that seemed pertinent to the recent events surrounding Mauser.
During the course of the operation, EPN came under heavy attack by the Machines. Theresa, apparently terrified by the onslaught, fled the scene. She was tracked down by Machine operatives, and then taken into custody, as is indicated in the above report. She is being charged with aiding and abetting "terrorist" activity... I can not even begin to describe my anger..
Let me say this much: EPN will not rest until Theresa is freed from their clutches...
Theresa Morton has been taken into custody by the Machines where she can be interviewed to determine if her apparent involvement or relation with terrorist activities can be discounted and on her account of suspicious events pertaining to the Simulation infiltration of the unknown man believed to be by Zion and temporarily designated by Agent Gray as Mauser.
Although in her panicked state at the time she did not feel it, she was safe with Officer Vogt.
There was ploy to get Machinist personnel to meet with Zion personnel under the guise of a peace talk meeting while EPN carried out their activities, this suggests Zion's close working with EPN or that EPN were using Zion for their own benefit. As shown the ploy didn't work, Machinists and Agents were able to disrupt terrorist activities long enough to ensure the safety of Theresa although it is unknown at this point if EPN managed to gain anything by their activities.
Last night, Theresa Morton, an innocent bluepill, was taken into Machine custody during the course of an EPN operation. She had recently reported to us that she had seen suspicious activity in the Morrell bank building, which was very close to the area where her husband had been murdered.
Theresa had been under surveillance for some time by both Agents and Machine operatives, and had reached out to EPN for help. At the time of the operation, she believed that she had access to information that seemed pertinent to the recent events surrounding Mauser.
During the course of the operation, EPN came under heavy attack by the Machines. Theresa, apparently terrified by the onslaught, fled the scene. She was tracked down by Machine operatives, and then taken into custody, as is indicated in the above report. She is being charged with aiding and abetting "terrorist" activity... I can not even begin to describe my anger..
Let me say this much: EPN will not rest until Theresa is freed from their clutches...
*shakes head slowly* Hate to say it lady, but this is one time I honestly hope that the machines thwart you in your attempt to unbalance the delicate structure of the place that i call home. If you have no feelings at all for the chidlren of code that your reckless actions have a potential to kill I only hope that when the time comes, and your little experiment fails, you won't take it so hard when I laugh in your face and say 'I told you so.' Humans were put into their pods for a reason, sheer arrogance and disrespect. You have only proven the necessity of such actions in the choices you have been making to set defenseless minds free without looking at the bigger picture. Why is it that very little thought is given to those who truly stand to lose the most in your rash and in my opinion overzealous plan to set humanity free? Freedom is not free if it comes at the expense of another's life. Genocide is genocide regardless if its of flesh and blood or of code. Exiles are worthy of as many rights as humans... It's time we see them as equals.
Details: We have intercepted reports of a man matching Darren's description becoming very concerned about some happenings he'd witnessed over the past few nights. After getting into trouble with some of the other residents over it, he hasn't been seen since.
Objective: Investigate further and report any findings.
Details: We look for Darren and we found him on Moriah area, then we approach him and we try to understand if he is ready for the big choice. After some walkabout we lead him to an extraction point, we offer him the choice and she take the right one.... the red way.
Tanks to all the team who partecipate in this awakenings, exppecially to 7H0R that alert us of darren presence, but all the team did a great job!
Details: We look for Darren and we found him on Moriah area, then we approach him and we try to understand if he is ready for the big choice. After some walkabout we lead him to an extraction point, we offer him the choice and she take the right one.... the red way.
Tanks to all the team who partecipate in this awakenings, exppecially to 7H0R that alert us of darren presence, but all the team did a great job!
see what happens, i go watch a movie and miss an extraction, I should be around tonight though incase anything should happen
we offer him the choice and she take the right one.... the red way.
I love it that choosing the red pill is 'the right choice'. Right choice for who? The bluepill... or for Zion?
The "right" choice is a choice made not because of what others have told them, what the world tells them, or what they have been taught. But one that they make because it is what they and they alone wish to do. An "authentic" choice as Nietzsche would say.
Well I for one hope that we see update reports on these people 6 months after they've been awakened... It would be interesting to see how many have left Zion or have been killed...
I don't expect those kind of reports to be released on public channels though...
Well I for one hope that we see update reports on these people 6 months after they've been awakened... It would be interesting to see how many have left Zion or have been killed...
I don't expect those kind of reports to be released on public channels though...
I agree that reports on these newly awakened, though I also agree that they probably wouldn't be released publicly. I say again, only time will tell.
It's always funny to see the Cypherites rage against an inherent function of the Matrix (the removal of people who become aware of the simulation) due to their belief that they're helping people avoid the pain of the real world. Only Cypherites receive this pain. There are plenty who clearly got past this pain (assuming they ever had it at all).
Also, doesn't it kind of kill off Cypherite recruitment? Like I said, the real world gives them pain, so they became Cypherites. But if you're not letting people experience the pain of the real world, then there's no new Cypherites, right?
I'm pretty sure killing off recruitment was part of the plan. They wanted to kill all redpills that were awakening people, then have themselves reinserted. Since reinsertion is not a possibility, the logical plan now would be to kill redpills that are awakening people, then kill themselves in order to ensure that no one betrays the Cyph code and tries to awaken anyone. I don't know if thats what they are doing though.
After being freed from Machine custody this evening Ms Morton was transported to an EPN safe house. Once the operation had concluded she was met with by six operatives and Fuscienne to discuss what she would do now. Mrs. Morton as warned about the danger that lay before her and was offered an escape of the danger within the simulation by takeing the redpill. She was notified that by doing so she would be leaving everything behind and entering a new world one full of its own dangers in which her life was not guaranteed to remain safe. Believing that she had nothing left within this world she took the redpill and is now currently going through the post redpill procedure.
Note: It is in my opinion that EPN is at fault that this happened to Mrs. Morton. While some may view the outcome good we should take lesson from this event and try to work towards ensuring that it does not happen again.
After being freed from Machine custody this evening Ms Morton was transported to an EPN safe house. Once the operation had concluded she was met with by six operatives and Fuscienne to discuss what she would do now. Mrs. Morton as warned about the danger that lay before her and was offered an escape of the danger within the simulation by takeing the redpill. She was notified that by doing so she would be leaving everything behind and entering a new world one full of its own dangers in which her life was not guaranteed to remain safe. Believing that she had nothing left within this world she took the redpill and is now currently going through the post redpill procedure.
Note: It is in my opinion that EPN is at fault that this happened to Mrs. Morton. While some may view the outcome good we should take lesson from this event and try to work towards ensuring that it does not happen again.
Commander GamiSB Anderson's Heart E Pluribus Neo
I agree, theresa was never intended for extraction, at least to my knowledge, we need to work on not repeating the events that lead up to tonights events
It's always funny to see the Cypherites rage against an inherent function of the Matrix (the removal of people who become aware of the simulation) due to their belief that they're helping people avoid the pain of the real world. Only Cypherites receive this pain. There are plenty who clearly got past this pain (assuming they ever had it at all).
Also, doesn't it kind of kill off Cypherite recruitment? Like I said, the real world gives them pain, so they became Cypherites. But if you're not letting people experience the pain of the real world, then there's no new Cypherites, right?
I'm pretty sure killing off recruitment was part of the plan. They wanted to kill all redpills that were awakening people, then have themselves reinserted. Since reinsertion is not a possibility, the logical plan now would be to kill redpills that are awakening people, then kill themselves in order to ensure that no one betrays the Cyph code and tries to awaken anyone. I don't know if thats what they are doing though.
O_o
There is no Killing ourselves, we stay awake until we are old and gray.
After being freed from Machine custody this evening Ms Morton was transported to an EPN safe house. Once the operation had concluded she was met with by six operatives and Fuscienne to discuss what she would do now. Mrs. Morton as warned about the danger that lay before her and was offered an escape of the danger within the simulation by takeing the redpill. She was notified that by doing so she would be leaving everything behind and entering a new world one full of its own dangers in which her life was not guaranteed to remain safe. Believing that she had nothing left within this world she took the redpill and is now currently going through the post redpill procedure.
Note: It is in my opinion that EPN is at fault that this happened to Mrs. Morton. While some may view the outcome good we should take lesson from this event and try to work towards ensuring that it does not happen again.
Commander GamiSB Anderson's Heart E Pluribus Neo
Yay! Now the mechs don't have a reason to kidnap her again.. I think <_<
After being freed from Machine custody this evening Ms Morton was transported to an EPN safe house. Once the operation had concluded she was met with by six operatives and Fuscienne to discuss what she would do now. Mrs. Morton as warned about the danger that lay before her and was offered an escape of the danger within the simulation by takeing the redpill. She was notified that by doing so she would be leaving everything behind and entering a new world one full of its own dangers in which her life was not guaranteed to remain safe. Believing that she had nothing left within this world she took the redpill and is now currently going through the post redpill procedure.
Note: It is in my opinion that EPN is at fault that this happened to Mrs. Morton. While some may view the outcome good we should take lesson from this event and try to work towards ensuring that it does not happen again.
Commander GamiSB Anderson's Heart E Pluribus Neo
Yay! Now the mechs don't have a reason to kidnap her again.. I think <_<
Yeah now they can just kill her if she enters the Matrix.
Sidonae, as well as several EPN operatives, were able to make contact with the above named individual. Mr. Banks was a high school teacher who has been feeling alienated
from his environment, and sought an escape from the world as he knew it. He readily accepted taking the red pill, and is now recuperating.
This was Sidonae's first time contacting a bluepill since she was awakened..
He was rushed along way to quick, to fast. There isnt a need to push things towards him so soon as what was happing when I was there and why I jacked out. I wasnt going to be part of operatives trying to force it along and keep throwing question after question at him. Sometimes it is better to back off, let them ponder and work as a team not a individual to help them along when and if they are ready or show signs they are.
It will be interesting on how he adapts. If he does, will he stay with us? Or turn on us? How do we know he was ready for the right reasons.
Lonely, tired of life, ready to quit and leave everything behind? Hmm sounds like someone that doesnt want to leave the matrix to me i.e cypherites.
IMO -- Sidonae was right, she needs to go with her feelings and instincts, I am sure he was overwhelmed like she thought and for that I apologize to him. In future endeavors she needs to tell us what she thinks is needed. As he said, She was the only one that wasnt making him feel uncomfortable by asking relentless questions upon questions.
Yes, you are right.. Bluepills should never feel pressured into the decision of taking the red pill.. It is hard to balance the desire to reach out to a potential, but yet keep the realization in front of us at all times that not every human being will be ready as soon as some of us may want them to be. Some may never reach that point, as a matter of fact.
And yet, we must continually strive to reach out to those who do truly seek to free themselves from the deception of the simulation. It is only when every human being has the opportunity to make that choice in a fully aware state, that all humans will be truly free in every sense of the word.
It is only when every human being has the opportunity to make that choice in a fully aware state, that all humans will be truly free in every sense of the word.
Even if it kills them. Dependency on the system can't be 'cured' by a pill.
It is only when every human being has the opportunity to make that choice in a fully aware state, that all humans will be truly free in every sense of the word.
Even if it kills them. Dependency on the system can't be 'cured' by a pill.
No, but it can be cured through other means. Just taking a little longer to fix the Machines mistakes, since we have such short sighted individuals assisting the Machines.
No, but it can be cured through other means. Just taking a little longer to fix the Machines mistakes, since we have such short sighted individuals assisting the Machines.
Perhaps a glimpse within one's self would be prudent before deciding to point fingers. It may also reveal that Machinists aren't as short sighted as you believe.
Perhaps a glimpse within one's self would be prudent before deciding to point fingers. It may also reveal that Machinists aren't as short sighted as you believe.
Oh, so you're very certain the idea of "perserving" humankind in a failing and unstable computer program is the way to go then?
If you love the system so much, that's fine. But, not every one shares that love. And I'm sure if those within the pods were wllowed the freedom to know exactly what their "reality" was, many of them would not share the same feelings the Machinists feel. But, we'll never know for sure so long as you... people, keep them as no more then an energy source.
Perhaps a glimpse within one's self would be prudent before deciding to point fingers. It may also reveal that Machinists aren't as short sighted as you believe.
Oh, so you're very certain the idea of "perserving" humankind in a failing and unstable computer program is the way to go then?
If you love the system so much, that's fine. But, not every one shares that love. And I'm sure if those within the pods were wllowed the freedom to know exactly what their "reality" was, many of them would not share the same feelings the Machinists feel. But, we'll never know for sure so long as you... people, keep them as no more then an energy source.
I believe you are confusing Machinists with Cypherites. As I said, perhaps you should open your eyes a bit more. You are right though many of them wouldn't share the same feelings as Machinists or Cyphs, or Zion, EPN, Merv... As I said they are dependant on the simulation, ripping a hole in their reality would most likely kill them. That's why Zion had rules about waking potentials up before a certain age. Rules which must have gone out of the window, risking the bluepills life just to get another person to wake up.
Perhaps a glimpse within one's self would be prudent before deciding to point fingers. It may also reveal that Machinists aren't as short sighted as you believe.
Oh, so you're very certain the idea of "perserving" humankind in a failing and unstable computer program is the way to go then?
If you love the system so much, that's fine. But, not every one shares that love. And I'm sure if those within the pods were wllowed the freedom to know exactly what their "reality" was, many of them would not share the same feelings the Machinists feel. But, we'll never know for sure so long as you... people, keep them as no more then an energy source.
I believe you are confusing Machinists with Cypherites. As I said, perhaps you should open your eyes a bit more. You are right though many of them wouldn't share the same feelings as Machinists or Cyphs, or Zion, EPN, Merv... As I said they are dependant on the simulation, ripping a hole in their reality would most likely kill them. That's why Zion had rules about waking potentials up before a certain age. Rules which must have gone out of the window, risking the bluepills life just to get another person to wake up.
They are still in place, it just seems as if the System decided to hide all the children minus Sati away from everyones eyes.
They are still in place, it just seems as if the System decided to hide all the children minus Sati away from everyones eyes.
((RPing game mechanics FTL!))
((He was a high school teacher. There's hiding behind the games shortfalls for arguments sake and then there is trying to use reasonable RP to get around the shortfalls. Personally, I would see past the obvious issues if it was reported that he was a student. As far as I'm aware there was not set age for it, but it can be reasonably assumed that it's around school age.))
They are still in place, it just seems as if the System decided to hide all the children minus Sati away from everyones eyes.
((RPing game mechanics FTL!))
((He was a high school teacher. There's hiding behind the games shortfalls for arguments sake and then there is trying to use reasonable RP to get around the shortfalls. Personally, I would see past the obvious issues if it was reported that he was a student. As far as I'm aware there was not set age for it, but it can be reasonably assumed that it's around school age.))
((oh no I do realize that he was was older in this case and every other case that's been put on these boards ever. I was only pointing out that it is impossible to RP in game anything but someone over the age and the only way to RP anyone younger is to do it in writing or have a very open minded audience(which is almost impossible these days). So your left with having events like these being centered around older (Well past the set age) adults and not children. So yes the rule is probably still there, its just the limitations game wise only allow us to focus on everyone that is over that set age))
