Pvp balance, buff vs numbers?

I am actually curious why anyone should think they deserve to win "by themselves" vs multiple opponents?

Because this is the Matrix and we "believe" we can, therefore we can.

Now do that with two mkts...

Yeah I was about to say that, Luggables = buffs. Which is exactly what Swimming is talking about, being buffed when you're fighting numbers.

So all you've done is proven is that, when buffed, people can take on numbers and win.

PS, you can easily close the "Team" window and have team members off screen killing those people for you, just saying.

Not the case in this instance. And while it is feasible to take out more than one person alone now if you can just dish out enough damage fast enough, I'm not saying that it should be a piece of cake to take out a few people before you die. I'm just saying that fighting multiple people is a concept that defines what people think about when they think "The Matrix". Therefore, it should be a concept that is given special attention to, seeing how we have a useless multifighting ability. Make it increase your Regeneration by 10% or something when there's more than one hostile player within 10m of you or something.

Marias wrote:

Not the case in this instance. And while it is feasible to take out more than one person alone now if you can just dish out enough damage fast enough, I'm not saying that it should be a piece of cake to take out a few people before you die. I'm just saying that fighting multiple people is a concept that defines what people think about when they think "The Matrix". Therefore, it should be a concept that is given special attention to, seeing how we have a useless multifighting ability. Make it increase your Regeneration by 10% or something when there's more than one hostile player within 10m of you or something.

If someone thinks the defining concept of the Matrix is fighting a bunch of people, then I'll likely completely ignore that person.  Really.

But even in the context of the movies, how often do Redpills of equal strength fight each other in groups?  Ever?  Most cases I can think of is either a redpill fighting several bluepills/programs, or Neo fighting a bunch of Agents/Smith.  Since we aren't Neo we shouldn't expect to multi-fight agents, but we are obviousely capable of fighting multiple programs/bluepills.

I kinda agree. The movies revolved around a redpill who was almost like a god figure in the Matrix and to a certain extent even out of it in the final film. Therefore we should be able to fight multiple Programs/Bluepills as Collbard stated but if 2 equal leveled Redpills come together it should be a long drawn out battle.

Also there will always be experienced and better fighters within a bunch of 50s who may be able to take on a group of other opponents. For instance taking on a level 50 Sniper and MA will be easy for an IL gunman if you can take out the sniper in IL first and then take out the MA.

TimeMaker wrote:

Because this is the Matrix and we "believe" we can, therefore we can.

But they too believe they can beat you.

So...

Zudrag wrote:

TimeMaker wrote:

Because this is the Matrix and we "believe" we can, therefore we can.

But they too believe they can beat you.

So...

Zerg usually wins, unless its an incompetent zerg. Still, i kinda agree there should be something to help out the minority sometimes. Especially MA minorities. They can;t even snipe for decent damage without stat hacking.

PS, you can easily close the "Team" window and have team members off screen killing those people for you, just saying.

I don't think there needs to be "catch up mode" like in children's multi-player car racing games.

If an experienced and confident player meets with two level 50's they have never heard of, the two level 50's are in a world of trouble. I don't believe in level cap of 50, equipment/experience/confidence can make a level 50 into a lvl 60.

With CR2 I have seen 2 win against 7, in CR1 I have seen 1 against 7 hold out for a very long time killing most of them. It's not the norm but it is within reach.

I highly doubt 2 people who stood their ground against 7 have survived for more than 30 seconds, let alone kill 3 of the other guys.

I highly doubt 2 people who stood their ground against 7 have survived for more than 30 seconds, let alone kill 3 of the other guys.

Natasha768 wrote:

I don't think there needs to be "catch up mode" like in children's multi-player car racing games.

If an experienced and confident player meets with two level 50's they have never heard of, the two level 50's are in a world of trouble. I don't believe in level cap of 50, equipment/experience/confidence can make a level 50 into a lvl 60.

With CR2 I have seen 2 win against 7, in CR1 I have seen 1 against 7 hold out for a very long time killing most of them. It's not the norm but it is within reach.

I highly doubt 2 people who stood their ground against 7 have survived for more than 30 seconds, let alone kill 3 of the other guys.

Iv once soloed 4 people with MA....but that was a long time ago and mostly luck.

If 9mmfu doesint want use to win against numbers then maybe i should stop pvping lmao. its not that hard to beat 2 or even 3 people...and mkt CAN be countered but its like any other tree, it depends more on the person your fighting. It all depeneds on who your fighting (im refraining from mentioning specific names of people iv soloed when they had numbers)....soloing 2 or 3 people who know how to pvp is many orders of magnitute harder then soloing 2 or 3 people that never pvp.

other things that effect it are like...soloing 2 gunman is generally harder then 2 MAs because the MAs are of such limited help to one another while outside IL. I remember back when i was running gunman alot I soloed these 2 other gunmen...we were on this little ledge on the side of the church in marac...just went at it toe to toe....gunman vs 2gunman....as fair as a 2v1 fight can be. it was brutal (like a gunfight in an elevator hehe) there were no dirty tricks or heals or buffs or anything like that and we all 3 started at full health. these two were pretty promenent figures in a major faction and each of them were very good gunmen who pvped frequently...I killed one and then he reconned and came back and started attacking me while I was fighting the other...I died like 3 seconds after I killed the second guy. the whole fight took maybe 4-5 mins.

btw..."soloing" should be clarified as some people have a definition that I disagree with...To me soloing 2 people means that the 3 of you started at full health and you killed them both without any outside help and while they both were focusing all of their fire on you and no one else AND there is NO break between killing one and moving on to the next one. Some people think that if you kill someone, HJ away and heall up and come back and kill a second person then you have just soloed 2 people....this is just wrong.

The Leo wrote:

I highly doubt 2 people who stood their ground against 7 have survived for more than 30 seconds, let alone kill 3 of the other guys.

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It's called 2 Snipers. gf

People need to get away from the stigma of "lol u brought heals 2 pvp u r suk".

Heals can be a very important part of PVP and PVE combat. They can often turn the tide of combat.

With a bit of superior healing, a smaller number of people can take on a larger amount of people, as can loadouts that deal a high enough amount of damage and still be able to heal themselves (Such as Improved hacking + Artillerist loadouts, and Upgrade Master loaded with a few heals).

The Artillerist + IH loadout I am saddened is not used more in PVP when people are trying to take on a larger amount of people. A howitzer or two with such a person with that loadout backing them up can quickly cut down a very large group of opponents.

The Artillerist + IH loadout I am saddened is not used more in PVP when people are trying to take on a larger amount of people. A howitzer or two with such a person with that loadout backing them up can quickly cut down a very large group of opponents.

Naw buffin ain't my style and MA > any other load
Yeah u can beat a couple of people 1 afta another but thats when theres only about 3, what about when its >5 kinda thing. U'r just screwed

I managed it not to long ago TM aikido plus thrown def FTW

Was just thinking it would be nice to balance pvp towards the solo ppl with some kind passive buff tht increases depending on enemies in certain radius around. I don't only mean for MAs or only while in IL but something with awakened maybe.

PvP is fine the way it is - cept for the stupid smack talk; thank god for ignore.

No single individual should be able to systematically take on and kill more that 3 opponents, no matter how good they are in PvP.

Then there's the zerg - well such is life. I've been zerged, but I've been part of a zerg too. I've seen some of the best die just the same as the rest, so I change strategies and even LO's.

I don't think there needs to be "catch up mode" like in children's multi-player car racing games.

If an experienced and confident player meets with two level 50's they have never heard of, the two level 50's are in a world of trouble. I don't believe in level cap of 50, equipment/experience/confidence can make a level 50 into a lvl 60.

With CR2 I have seen 2 win against 7, in CR1 I have seen 1 against 7 hold out for a very long time killing most of them. It's not the norm but it is within reach.

I agree 100%, and to add, communications is KEY!

I've seen a zerg; hell I even heard some say is the game on easy mode - lmao. That's because of NO organization and communication and lack of the right mix to counter opposition. Once organized, easy mode went away.

Confidence and experience go a long way, but if you're not part of a group and communicating, you're supposed to lose.

Now do that with two mkts...

Agreed, Zudrag, I've not seen you succeed with that at DM with the right mix - you've been killed too.

Like TimeMaker said, I doubt you'll have it easy with a hacker and mkt's/ms's present.

Or, the guy can post as he likes, until such time as an authoritative figure tells him different. 

Just an FYI.