[9.3.5] "He wouldn't just kill her like that" - Vector - 4/2/08

So she's given this program to others before, according to Halborn. The Machines previously said it had been "removed from the Simulation", there is "only one copy", and it was already "detected in the Real" by the Halborn himself. What does that all add up to...

So she's given this program to others before, according to Halborn. The Machines previously said it had been "removed from the Simulation", there is "only one copy", and it was already "detected in the Real" by the Halborn himself. What does that all add up to...

That just all went down a little to easy. I am finding it nearly impossible to believe she is actually gone. Perhaps she has found a way to be untracable in the system, or has temporarily uploaded herself into an implanted human interface.

Nonetheless, I highly doubt shes gone.

That just all went down a little to easy. I am finding it nearly impossible to believe she is actually gone. Perhaps she has found a way to be untracable in the system, or has temporarily uploaded herself into an implanted human interface.

Nonetheless, I highly doubt shes gone.

MxO_Neopill wrote:

That just all went down a little to easy. I am finding it nearly impossible to believe she is actually gone. Perhaps she has found a way to be untracable in the system, or has temporarily uploaded herself into an implanted human interface.

Nonetheless, I highly doubt shes gone.

agreed my theory like ive said before on this situation those 2 disks i belive are the keys the only thing is i wonder how long before the cyphs and epn can both agree to see what these disks can do together.

Neo and his predecessors, perhaps. Seems like Halborn had a rather "If I can't have it, then no one will" mentality there. Though, the Oracle's suggestion that he wasn't ready yet could lead us to believe that he will one day be ready for it. Though, perhaps his choice there lead him to the inability to ever receive it.

I still think the BIP's going to end up being used on the Morpheus Sim.

nubious81 wrote:

MxO_Neopill wrote:

That just all went down a little to easy. I am finding it nearly impossible to believe she is actually gone. Perhaps she has found a way to be untracable in the system, or has temporarily uploaded herself into an implanted human interface.

Nonetheless, I highly doubt shes gone.

agreed my theory like ive said before on this situation those 2 disks i belive are the keys the only thing is i wonder how long before the cyphs and epn can both agree to see what these disks can do together.

When Hell freezes over, or when Veil or Cryptos lose their minds.  Whichever comes first.

Woah, CENTURIES?

How do you guys think those codes fragments written by the Oracle that were left overs for a kill code work into this?

 I have my thoughts but they seem pretty out there.

How do you guys think those codes fragments written by the Oracle that were left overs for a kill code work into this?

 I have my thoughts but they seem pretty out there.

MetaLogic wrote:

nubious81 wrote:

MxO_Neopill wrote:

That just all went down a little to easy. I am finding it nearly impossible to believe she is actually gone. Perhaps she has found a way to be untracable in the system, or has temporarily uploaded herself into an implanted human interface.

Nonetheless, I highly doubt shes gone.

agreed my theory like ive said before on this situation those 2 disks i belive are the keys the only thing is i wonder how long before the cyphs and epn can both agree to see what these disks can do together.

When Hell freezes over, or when Veil or Cryptos lose their minds.  Whichever comes first.

*Points at Cryptos* *Ponders* Wait...

Steelle wrote:

How do you guys think those codes fragments written by the Oracle that were left overs for a kill code work into this?

 I have my thoughts but they seem pretty out there.

Well I think a possibility is he manages to get the frags/whole thing from the Cyphs and EPN, tries to use it, and nukes himself instead.

I was thinking something like that, or the killcode is for the code that "The One" carries that makes them "The One", but I'm not sure how that would work.

 and still...CENTURIES?!?

((That has to be the most realistic live event i have ever seen! Props to the two people there that made reading this post like reading a well written novel. Its the first time in ages that i've felt a connection back to the original movies. and im glad it was at such a pivital point in the plot, with respect to our dear oracle. On that topic, i can fully trust that she knows exactly what she is doing, and as mentioned it isnt the first time she's let herself be taken to save the lives of others. ))

It's true that some liked her, others detest.
but none will forget, as she lies on the floor.
Shes gone but not lost, for reasons untold.
Stay strong my fare friends, put her little heart to rest.

((Agreed, the lack of large numbers of people therefore no spammage plus the IC'ness of the two or three people who turned up and stayed afterwards was a delight.))

I understand that many Zionites, Machinists an even Mervs have an affinity for the Oracle Program therefore the hopes that she has somehow survived are quite normal and to be expected. Personally I think she made a sacrifice for something larger, most likely peace between Man and Machine. How this will come about I don't know. Neo made the same sacrifice but the truce he brokered as a lead to peace didn't last, perhaps the Oracle's will be a little more permanent.

Hmm... I'm not sure about it being the code of the One in those fragments. It's true that the Oracle plays a critical role in the awakening of the One, however I don't believe that she has the ability to hand it out like that. She has the ability to push people in a particular way, give them particular bits of information to get to an aim, depending on the person.

With Morpheus, a man with such focus and belief was naturally going to search the Matrix longer and harder for the One if the Oracle tells him that he will find the One. With Neo however, he's a much older person when he's awakened so he's even having trouble coming to terms with the Matrix not being real when he sees her, so she relies on his humanity to force him to make a choice when Morpheus sacrifices his life that he will then go and do the same for Morpheus (this is where the Jesus Christ Philosophy comes into the story again but that's another discussion for another time) . Making Neo push himself like that begins to awaken him to the possibility that he can do the impossible, which is why he faces Smith and fights rather than runs in the subway, as Morpheus put it, "He's beginning to believe."

Put simply, I think the idea of the One is that they have that potential inside of them all along and they simply have to be awoken to it. For Neo, it was the Oracle telling him about Morpheus' sacrifice, him then rescuing Morpheus (thought impossible) and him then being killed by Smith (the Oracle said, when referencing 'the gift' that Neo was waiting for,"...your next life maybe, who knows.") and being awoken to that and being reborn the One through Trinity's love. It's one of those things that you see as you go through the films, that Trinity is more key to Neo's path than anyone else. True, everyone has a part in it, however it's always her that's with him, right up to the end.

As you can see from the above, there were many factors into making Neo "The One" however, does the Oracle literally give the code to him when they meet? Hard to tell. So I don't think, personally anyway, that it's code for "The One" as there's too many factors that go into it. In terms of my other thoughts on what the code fragments could potentially be... well that's hard to say. The eyes of the Oracle can only be given... yet she does have her eyes in the shot, however it's all just code so what if that's her literal code for seeing into the future? That would then be a logical thought onto why she gave it to 2 opposing groups, to get them to work together. It equally would link into them then having Sati as the next Oracle as such. It could equally be 2 fragments of a code shell, again the similar logic applies there.

Either way, it will be interesting to see what happens now.

Remember that the Oracle chose to give those fragments to EPN and Cyph's, she chose to remain in hiding right up to the other night. She's the Oracle afterall, she knows what she's doing.

...but the power he had that his predecessors didn't.

Procurator wrote:

Why hasn't anyone else suggested that the Biological Interface Program is what allowed Neo to control Machines in the Real? 

(( I thought that was implied/inclusive to what we were saying on page 1, actually. ))

Procurator wrote:

...but the power he had that his predecessors didn't.

(( If that's indeed the specific use of the BIP, then someone else had this power, as Halborn said the Oracle had given it to others, previously. ))

shinpseudo wrote:

Procurator wrote:

Why hasn't anyone else suggested that the Biological Interface Program is what allowed Neo to control Machines in the Real? 

(( I thought that was implied/inclusive to what we were saying on page 1, actually. ))

Nah, being able to control Machines was an ability unique to Neo. It's not a common element of being the One.

Centuries?

I think I have an inkling as to what the program is now... *eyes Roukan*

MxO_Neopill wrote:

That just all went down a little to easy. I am finding it nearly impossible to believe she is actually gone. Perhaps she has found a way to be untracable in the system, or has temporarily uploaded herself into an implanted human interface.

Nonetheless, I highly doubt shes gone.

agreed my theory like ive said before on this situation those 2 disks i belive are the keys the only thing is i wonder how long before the cyphs and epn can both agree to see what these disks can do together.

I know that the "code of The One" theory (or some connection to Neo) is currently gaining support, but I thought I would come back to these earlier points.

It's well established that the power of The Oracle lies in her eyes: there being two of them, obviously. There are also two disks recently handed out by The Oracle, as others have mentioned. Coincidence?

Perhaps the Code is one that can return Neo's mind from wherever it is? It seems with the return of the Smith Virus, The One must equalise the balance.

TimeMaker wrote:

MetaLogic wrote:

nubious81 wrote:

MxO_Neopill wrote:

That just all went down a little to easy. I am finding it nearly impossible to believe she is actually gone. Perhaps she has found a way to be untracable in the system, or has temporarily uploaded herself into an implanted human interface.

Nonetheless, I highly doubt shes gone.

agreed my theory like ive said before on this situation those 2 disks i belive are the keys the only thing is i wonder how long before the cyphs and epn can both agree to see what these disks can do together.

When Hell freezes over, or when Veil or Cryptos lose their minds.  Whichever comes first.

*Points at Cryptos* *Ponders* Wait...

I don't know man, last month Cryptos laid the smack-down on Popper and we were doing the same thing, taking out Accelerators or Decelerators.

She's....dead...I never even met her before, just heard rumors, read stories, I''ve seen things...read the zion text archives...my copy...heheh. Still...I've seen images from the Data Node 1. She's gone. I never met her....but wait...I've read the zion archive text ((my In character reference to the movies)) The Oracle has been killed before, and obtained a new shell....maybe she'll return? Whoa, a flow of theories and conclusions. Well smith has returned before and he is dead again, I believe this is the third time he has made himself known. ((2 anniversary events and before them DifferenceEngine)) Yet, according to the formula, Neo must live too, unless smith is permanently dead. Equations and formulas can't always be balanced, they will be unstable, and like the oracle said her purpose was, "....to unbalance it..."  If neo lives he's either really lazy, or he needs to quit taking naps. I believe him to be gone for good, but this Biological Interface Programs is making me think of both theories, the Oracle's Eyes, and Neo's fragments, like the big hunky one in westview...This raises questions, I may have to take a turn on my neutrality in this...........................

- |)-(|

MetaLogic wrote:

TimeMaker wrote:

MetaLogic wrote:

nubious81 wrote:

MxO_Neopill wrote:

That just all went down a little to easy. I am finding it nearly impossible to believe she is actually gone. Perhaps she has found a way to be untracable in the system, or has temporarily uploaded herself into an implanted human interface.

Nonetheless, I highly doubt shes gone.

agreed my theory like ive said before on this situation those 2 disks i belive are the keys the only thing is i wonder how long before the cyphs and epn can both agree to see what these disks can do together.

When Hell freezes over, or when Veil or Cryptos lose their minds.  Whichever comes first.

*Points at Cryptos* *Ponders* Wait...

I don't know man, last month Cryptos laid the smack-down on Popper and we were doing the same thing, taking out Accelerators or Decelerators.

My point was that he got over written (lost his mind) then got fixed (lost that mind)

Halborn's hardly the brightest spark, it seems. My own personal theory regarding the Oracle's cryptic responses (Particularly "Not ready" vs "Nope, not getting it" is this [paraphrased]:

"Sorry kid, you've got the gift, but it looks like you're waiting for something. Another lifetime, perhaps."

Oh, and you better believe she's got the resurrection shiznit down. Considering Halborn has a habit of such deletion shenanigans, if she wants to live, she will.

Procurator wrote:

shinpseudo wrote:

Procurator wrote:

Why hasn't anyone else suggested that the Biological Interface Program is what allowed Neo to control Machines in the Real? 

(( I thought that was implied/inclusive to what we were saying on page 1, actually. ))

Nah, being able to control Machines was an ability unique to Neo. It's not a common element of being the One.

(( Exactly; the points I pulled from the event dialogue and a previous Machine crit pointed directly towards that, which was then followed by Zippy saying "Neo".  In any event it's semantics, we agree, tra la la. ))

Daneeee!! shes dead :*(

This caterpiller has discarded her old shell and will emerge once more as a butterfly " />

hahahaha at zion

*Silently chuckles*

You actually think this has  to do with just Z10N?

 I think your "haha's" are a bit premature, if you recall a little word called "balance".

*Takes a small bite of his Oracle cookie and moves on.*

what is the program?