Image Retrieval - April 02, 2008

Hey, I'm all for it.  I think it's a brilliant idea that could've only come from our developers!  In fact, if we're going to do it, let's do it right.

Trade in 40 Gum Sticks: Get Mobius Code.
Trade in 40 Gum Sticks: Get Hyperjump Beta.
Trade in 80 Gum Sticks: Get Beta Cap.
Trade in 80 Gum Sticks: Get Beta Shirt.
Trade in 80 Gum Sticks: Get Beta Boots.
Trade in 80 Gum Sticks: Get Beta Pants.
Trade in 80 Gum Sticks: Get Beta Glasses.
Trade in 100 Gum Sticks: Get Beta Jacket.
Trade in 100 Gum Sticks: Get Beta Gloves.
Trade in 100 Gum Sticks: Get Blue Sky Frags.
Trade in 100 Gum Sticks: Get Blue Sky Cap.
Trade in 100 Gum Sticks: Get Blue Sky Shirt.
Trade in 120 Gum Sticks: Get Security Cap.
Trade in 120 Gum Sticks: Get Security Shirt.
Trade in 150 Gum Sticks: Get Flit Gun.
Trade in 200 Gum Sticks: Get Neo RSI Frags.
Trade in 200 Gum Sticks: Get FM-1500.
Trade in 250 Gum Sticks: Get Assassin Mask.

I mean, let's forget our petty elitism and desire for veteran rewards of any kind, alright?  Because for most of us, playing this game for four years should not deserve us rewards when we're so lucky for the game to have lasted this long.  Now stop complaining, ingrates!  Smile, nod and applaud the immense work that went into developing this wonderful new content for us, and be pleased that it exists!  They work so hard for us, the least we can do is say thank you!

If they EVER make Beta Clothes collectable or tradeable, again, I'm out of here.

-Siepher

Siepher wrote:

If they EVER make Beta Clothes collectable or tradeable, again, I'm out of here.

-Siepher

They probably wont, but I wouldn't be to surprised if they take off the beta logo and re-colour them.

All those who said they'd leave or go to WoW if the other item was HJ Beta: Bye!

All those who say they're leaving if they ever give out beta clothes: Please go away now because you're an elitist for thinking beta clothes make your experience of the game and is thus SHATTERED if beta clothes were made trade-able.

¬_¬

People still complaining that Mobius and HJBeta are 'veteran' rewards?  They lost their value early 2006 when those trials started and people just kept restarting trials to get as many of these abils as they liked and sold them on before they were made untradeable.

We only asked for Mobius to be made available to all in some form as we felt screwed over as we went out, bought the game (and finding a copy of MxO in any shop is the thing that really should be rewarded) and got diddly squat.

If you were here during Beta, you will have Beta clothing, if you were here during the Assassin stuff, you'll have a Flit Gun and/or Assassin Mask.

Also, I always looked as HJ'Beta' as the Beta version of the normal HJ ability and thats why it has that name.

All those who say they're leaving if they ever give out beta clothes: Please go away now because you're an elitist idiot for thinking beta clothes make your experience of the game and is thus SHATTERED if beta clothes were made trade-able.

That's quite the stretch.  There's nothing wrong with Beta players, or indeed non-Beta players believing that Beta items should go to those who were in Beta.  They were items given out as a mark of respect and to symbolise their presence.  Allowing others to gain those items cheapens the initial gift, and their tenure in Beta.  It's the principle which lends voice to concern, not that their experience of the game rests solely on the accumulation of unique items. 

That's not to say that there isn't an elitist element behind the voices of some, however, but it's academic at this point.

People still complaining that Mobius and HJBeta are 'veteran' rewards?  They lost their value early 2006 when those trials started and people just kept restarting trials to get as many of these abils as they liked and sold them on before they were made untradeable.

ThePigeonKing wrote:

All those who say they're leaving if they ever give out beta clothes: Please go away now because you're an elitist idiot for thinking beta clothes make your experience of the game and is thus SHATTERED if beta clothes were made trade-able.

That's quite the stretch.  There's nothing wrong with Beta players, or indeed non-Beta players believing that Beta items should go to those who were in Beta.  They were items given out as a mark of respect and to symbolise their presence.  Allowing others to gain those items cheapens the initial gift, and their tenure in Beta.  It's the principle which lends voice to concern, not that their experience of the game rests solely on the accumulation of unique items. 

That's not to say that there isn't an elitist element behind the voices of some, however, but it's academic at this point.

exsuscito wrote:

ThePigeonKing wrote:

All those who say they're leaving if they ever give out beta clothes: Please go away now because you're an elitist idiot for thinking beta clothes make your experience of the game and is thus SHATTERED if beta clothes were made trade-able.

That's quite the stretch.  There's nothing wrong with Beta players, or indeed non-Beta players believing that Beta items should go to those who were in Beta.  They were items given out as a mark of respect and to symbolise their presence.  Allowing others to gain those items cheapens the initial gift, and their tenure in Beta.  It's the principle which lends voice to concern, not that their experience of the game rests solely on the accumulation of unique items. 

That's not to say that there isn't an elitist element behind the voices of some, however, but it's academic at this point.

Their argument is lame and melodramatic. If they see someone else NOT in beta wearing beta clothing then their world spirals out of control and they pick their heroine addiction back up and they drop out of school.

If you want fair then not only did you pick the wrong game, but you picked the wrong species. If you're gonna leave because of in-game clothing then you may as well just leave now and spare me your drama.

exsuscito wrote:

ThePigeonKing wrote:

All those who say they're leaving if they ever give out beta clothes: Please go away now because you're an elitist idiot for thinking beta clothes make your experience of the game and is thus SHATTERED if beta clothes were made trade-able.

That's quite the stretch.  There's nothing wrong with Beta players, or indeed non-Beta players believing that Beta items should go to those who were in Beta.  They were items given out as a mark of respect and to symbolise their presence.  Allowing others to gain those items cheapens the initial gift, and their tenure in Beta.  It's the principle which lends voice to concern, not that their experience of the game rests solely on the accumulation of unique items. 

That's not to say that there isn't an elitist element behind the voices of some, however, but it's academic at this point.

Their argument is lame and melodramatic. If they see someone else NOT in beta wearing beta clothing then their world spirals out of control and they pick their heroine addiction back up and they drop out of school.

If you want fair then not only did you pick the wrong game, but you picked the wrong species. If you're gonna leave because of in-game clothing then you may as well just leave now and spare me your drama.

It's hardly their 'world spiralling out of control', just a concern based on the particulars of the reward system.  I'm sure there are some who would go a little melodramatically nuts over it, but the underlying principle remains the same. 

Anyway, sparring over semantics results in both of us losing no matter what, so there's that.

Someone call up the person that left because they couldn't get this stuff.

Garu wrote:

exsuscito wrote:

1) I agree.  Everyone becomes a veteran over time, and so deserve recognition in the form of a special item, for instance.  What they shouldn't receive is something restricted to those who were in Beta, it completely illegitimises their tenure.  If Hyper Jump was always the plan, then it should at least be declassified as 'Beta', and something else should have already been in position to replace it.

2) There's no apparent reason, and therein lies the reason for questioning this action.

2)  I question it as well but I'm hopeful this means Rarebit might have something in store.  I'll remain optimistic as always. " width="15" height="15" />

I shall provide the Yang.  Optimism does not become me.

HJ-Beta



Lets look at the word "Beta".

Doesn't mean its for beta. It means its a BETA version of the HJ program. Always has, and always will be. Stick your elitism somewhere else. And again if you *CENSORED* look at the requirements (not count of gum mind you), you realize no level 2 can go out and get it easily. Its a near end game content.



Before I forget, thank you Devs. Now I can have Mobias for my alts with time.

Is the gum tradeable?

ThePigeonKing wrote:

exsuscito wrote:

ThePigeonKing wrote:

All those who say they're leaving if they ever give out beta clothes: Please go away now because you're an elitist idiot for thinking beta clothes make your experience of the game and is thus SHATTERED if beta clothes were made trade-able.

That's quite the stretch.  There's nothing wrong with Beta players, or indeed non-Beta players believing that Beta items should go to those who were in Beta.  They were items given out as a mark of respect and to symbolise their presence.  Allowing others to gain those items cheapens the initial gift, and their tenure in Beta.  It's the principle which lends voice to concern, not that their experience of the game rests solely on the accumulation of unique items. 

That's not to say that there isn't an elitist element behind the voices of some, however, but it's academic at this point.

Their argument is lame and melodramatic. If they see someone else NOT in beta wearing beta clothing then their world spirals out of control and they pick their heroine addiction back up and they drop out of school.

If you want fair then not only did you pick the wrong game, but you picked the wrong species. If you're gonna leave because of in-game clothing then you may as well just leave now and spare me your drama.

People are entitled to any opinion they wish to be, and exsuscito is right in justifying their approach. The principle was spat on multiple times, then kicked in the cajones for good measure. People like ourselves have been here so long. We have no real veteran rewards, so the stuff we have that other people don't is a gratifying pleasure which is slowly and slowly being pulled out of our hands. Now feel free to assume things about my character.

Roukan wrote:

ThePigeonKing wrote:

exsuscito wrote:

ThePigeonKing wrote:

All those who say they're leaving if they ever give out beta clothes: Please go away now because you're an elitist idiot for thinking beta clothes make your experience of the game and is thus SHATTERED if beta clothes were made trade-able.

That's quite the stretch.  There's nothing wrong with Beta players, or indeed non-Beta players believing that Beta items should go to those who were in Beta.  They were items given out as a mark of respect and to symbolise their presence.  Allowing others to gain those items cheapens the initial gift, and their tenure in Beta.  It's the principle which lends voice to concern, not that their experience of the game rests solely on the accumulation of unique items. 

That's not to say that there isn't an elitist element behind the voices of some, however, but it's academic at this point.

Their argument is lame and melodramatic. If they see someone else NOT in beta wearing beta clothing then their world spirals out of control and they pick their heroine addiction back up and they drop out of school.

If you want fair then not only did you pick the wrong game, but you picked the wrong species. If you're gonna leave because of in-game clothing then you may as well just leave now and spare me your drama.

People are entitled to any opinion they wish to be, and exsuscito is right in justifying their approach. The principle was spat on multiple times, then kicked in the cajones for good measure. People like ourselves have been here so long. We have no real veteran rewards, so the stuff we have that other people don't is a gratifying pleasure which is slowly and slowly being pulled out of our hands. Now feel free to assume things about my character.

And I have every right to offend their opinion if I think it's selfish, and outright stupid to fuss about. If you're such a proud veteran then you don't need a set of items to remind you of how much fun you've had and how much longer you've been here than anybody else. And if your items mean that much to you then you don't have to give it to anybody else, because they're YOUR items. If somebody else has an item that looks like yours and acts like yours, that doesn't necessarily mean it holds the same gratifying sentimental value to them as yours does to you, does it?

Your items don't make you who you are.

ThePigeonKing wrote:

Roukan wrote:

ThePigeonKing wrote:

exsuscito wrote:

ThePigeonKing wrote:

All those who say they're leaving if they ever give out beta clothes: Please go away now because you're an elitist idiot for thinking beta clothes make your experience of the game and is thus SHATTERED if beta clothes were made trade-able.

That's quite the stretch.  There's nothing wrong with Beta players, or indeed non-Beta players believing that Beta items should go to those who were in Beta.  They were items given out as a mark of respect and to symbolise their presence.  Allowing others to gain those items cheapens the initial gift, and their tenure in Beta.  It's the principle which lends voice to concern, not that their experience of the game rests solely on the accumulation of unique items. 

That's not to say that there isn't an elitist element behind the voices of some, however, but it's academic at this point.

Their argument is lame and melodramatic. If they see someone else NOT in beta wearing beta clothing then their world spirals out of control and they pick their heroine addiction back up and they drop out of school.

If you want fair then not only did you pick the wrong game, but you picked the wrong species. If you're gonna leave because of in-game clothing then you may as well just leave now and spare me your drama.

People are entitled to any opinion they wish to be, and exsuscito is right in justifying their approach. The principle was spat on multiple times, then kicked in the cajones for good measure. People like ourselves have been here so long. We have no real veteran rewards, so the stuff we have that other people don't is a gratifying pleasure which is slowly and slowly being pulled out of our hands. Now feel free to assume things about my character.

And I have every right to offend their opinion if I think it's selfish, and outright stupid to fuss about. If you're such a proud veteran then you don't need a set of items to remind you of how much fun you've had and how much longer you've been here than anybody else. And if your items mean that much to you then you don't have to give it to anybody else, because they're YOUR items. If somebody else has an item that looks like yours and acts like yours, that doesn't necessarily mean it holds the same gratifying sentimental value to them as yours does to you, does it?

Your items don't make you who you are.

You don't need anything, but people still want it to be their own, that they earned it. That's why we argue the principle.

Cap0ne wrote:
Your items don't make you who you are.
You have both of the most special items in the game. What you just said, coming from you, is just... frustrating.

Cap0ne wrote:
Your items don't make you who you are.
You have both of the most special items in the game. What you just said, coming from you, is just... frustrating.

Roukan wrote:

ThePigeonKing wrote:

Roukan wrote:

ThePigeonKing wrote:

exsuscito wrote:

ThePigeonKing wrote:

All those who say they're leaving if they ever give out beta clothes: Please go away now because you're an elitist idiot for thinking beta clothes make your experience of the game and is thus SHATTERED if beta clothes were made trade-able.

That's quite the stretch.  There's nothing wrong with Beta players, or indeed non-Beta players believing that Beta items should go to those who were in Beta.  They were items given out as a mark of respect and to symbolise their presence.  Allowing others to gain those items cheapens the initial gift, and their tenure in Beta.  It's the principle which lends voice to concern, not that their experience of the game rests solely on the accumulation of unique items. 

That's not to say that there isn't an elitist element behind the voices of some, however, but it's academic at this point.

Their argument is lame and melodramatic. If they see someone else NOT in beta wearing beta clothing then their world spirals out of control and they pick their heroine addiction back up and they drop out of school.

If you want fair then not only did you pick the wrong game, but you picked the wrong species. If you're gonna leave because of in-game clothing then you may as well just leave now and spare me your drama.

People are entitled to any opinion they wish to be, and exsuscito is right in justifying their approach. The principle was spat on multiple times, then kicked in the cajones for good measure. People like ourselves have been here so long. We have no real veteran rewards, so the stuff we have that other people don't is a gratifying pleasure which is slowly and slowly being pulled out of our hands. Now feel free to assume things about my character.

And I have every right to offend their opinion if I think it's selfish, and outright stupid to fuss about. If you're such a proud veteran then you don't need a set of items to remind you of how much fun you've had and how much longer you've been here than anybody else. And if your items mean that much to you then you don't have to give it to anybody else, because they're YOUR items. If somebody else has an item that looks like yours and acts like yours, that doesn't necessarily mean it holds the same gratifying sentimental value to them as yours does to you, does it?

Your items don't make you who you are.

You don't need anything, but people still want it to be their own, that they earned it. That's why we argue the principle.

And the people who didn't receive some items even though they were supposed to because of a glitch or a mistake get... ?

And those people complaining about not getting such items since the beginning of beta until now get... ?

Am I an elitist idiot because I think that the Beta Clothes should be reserved for Beta players?

We participated back then, did our fair share of /ccr, we were part of shaping this game, and we got some unique untradeable items for it.
And now we're just elitist idiots, because of that?

You know what? To hell with leveling, make everyone Level 50 as they join the game, then we can all be equal elitist idiots, all wearing Beta clothes.

-Siepher out.

Siepher wrote:

Am I an elitist idiot because I think that the Beta Clothes should be reserved for Beta players?

We participated back then, did our fair share of /ccr, we were part of shaping this game, and we got some unique untradeable items for it.
And now we're just elitist idiots, because of that?

You know what? To hell with leveling, make everyone Level 50 as they join the game, then we can all be equal elitist idiots, all wearing Beta clothes.

-Siepher out.

Having beta clothes doesn't mean you sent in bug reports or contributed to the community in any form. Just means you paid 5 bucks for a preorder copy of MXO.

MrPuck wrote:
Meh, then let me say it.

YOUR ITEMS DONT MAKE YOU WHO YOU ARE.

Ask Cap how many times Ive asked him for that mask. None, not once ever. never hit up Con for it either.

YOUR ITEMS DONT MAKE YOU WHO YOU ARE.

And from you, someone who (as far as I know) doesn't have any special items, I can accept that as a valid response

But not from someone who is part of the have's, as opposed to the have-not's. It's kind've like a rich guy saying "Money isn't everything!" to the hobo begging for a quarter.

Of course, if Cap0ne wishes to have a valid point, all he has to do is delete those special items. They don't make him who he is, right?

On a side note- no matter what happens in this place, no one is ever happy, it's nice to be on the side that doesn't care. I didn't get into beta cause i live in canada, so i'm fine with hyper jump beta, i'm fine with no more cinematics, i've just grown tired of complaining about the issues that get nothing accomplished.

Rarebit doesn't give a *poop* what you or i or anyone thinks, kk gg thanks for comming out.

=

And sneaker as much as i see the point your trying to make, you can't bust his balls cause he got lucky, if you had it you'd be making the same arguement he is, and things would be completely different. Yeah it sucks to not get a reward, sucks more if your reward is a piece of crap, but don't make it as simple as saying things would be better if he didn't have the mask. Or that he's opinion can be validated any more or less - these forums are just full of hot air.

~Darminian

Darminian wrote:
And sneaker as much as i see the point your trying to make, you can't bust his balls cause he got lucky
My intent was not to "bust his balls", and I apologize if that's how it was viewed.

I'm saying that I cannot accept an argument of "It means nothing" from someone who has everything.

I do believe it's a reasonable stance, is it not?

Darminian wrote:
And sneaker as much as i see the point your trying to make, you can't bust his balls cause he got lucky
My intent was not to "bust his balls", and I apologize if that's how it was viewed.

I'm saying that I cannot accept an argument of "It means nothing" from someone who has everything.

I do believe it's a reasonable stance, is it not?

Don't be overly insensitive, Cap. You can't jump on some folks for wanting items and/or threatening to quit, and then proclaim that I'm a troll when I state why your opinion in this situation is biased and invalid.

You don't agree? Cool, I understand. But I've got a rather solid point, in my humble opinion.

Don't be overly insensitive, Cap. You can't jump on some folks for wanting items and/or threatening to quit, and then proclaim that I'm a troll when I state why your opinion in this situation is biased and invalid.

You don't agree? Cool, I understand. But I've got a rather solid point, in my humble opinion.

I'd appreciate it if you calmed down, Cap0ne. I don't want this thread to become locked, because I for one would like to hear more opinions on this subject

You've made your opinion very clear - that special items mean nothing. I understand that, but I am saying that your opinion, in my opinion, doesn't hold any weight, due to the fact that you already have the items people desire. Therefore, it's easy for you to say that they mean nothing.

If you consider me a troll because I consider your opinion invalid due to clearly explained reasons, that's fine.

Oh but please, allow someone from Syntax to come whine about how their FM-1500 was well deserved and earned through some awsome way even though we're not talking about them, because their the exception not the rule. yeesh. 3 out of 9 aint bad for the Mech Liaisons right?

NightTrace wrote:

Oh but please, allow someone from Syntax to come whine about how their FM-1500 was well deserved and earned through some awsome way even though we're not talking about them, because their the exception not the rule. yeesh. 3 out of 9 aint bad for the Mech Liaisons right?

Trace, at this point you're saying 'Oh, but don't forget Syntax' or 'No no, I'm aware of Syntax' more often than the Syntaxian Machinists are defending how we got our FM-1500s. We get it: you've acknowledged us and consider us the exception. Shush.

I've been spending a lot of time on Syntax lately, and one thing that has struck me is the fact that there is a larger population than Recursion and there is less drama!

Syntaxians, you fail miserably at Drama.  If you need any pointers, I've had (more than) my fair share of it, hit me up for tips!

Siepher wrote:

Am I an elitist idiot because I think that the Beta Clothes should be reserved for Beta players?

We participated back then, did our fair share of /ccr, we were part of shaping this game, and we got some unique untradeable items for it.
And now we're just elitist idiots, because of that?

You know what? To hell with leveling, make everyone Level 50 as they join the game, then we can all be equal elitist idiots, all wearing Beta clothes.

-Siepher out.

Having beta clothes doesn't mean you sent in bug reports or contributed to the community in any form. Just means you paid 5 bucks for a preorder copy of MXO.

I'd appreciate it if you calmed down, Cap0ne. I don't want this thread to become locked, because I for one would like to hear more opinions on this subject

You've made your opinion very clear - that special items mean nothing. I understand that, but I am saying that your opinion, in my opinion, doesn't hold any weight, due to the fact that you already have the items people desire. Therefore, it's easy for you to say that they mean nothing.

If you consider me a troll because I consider your opinion invalid due to clearly explained reasons, that's fine.

Wow...two different threads that have some deep conversations almost 20 pages long...nice! o_O

Roukan wrote:
You're goading Cap0ne into furthur degeneration and possible flames
No, I have not. I've even apologized for the possibility of being taken as such, as I understand that questioning someone's opinion can be treacherous waters.

I have voiced my opinion in a calm, composed, and respectful manner. If doing that is considered goading, then these forums should be shut down entirely.

Roukan wrote:
Just because Cap0ne has special items doesn't mean his opinion isn't valid
Actually, it does, in the event that he's voicing that those very same specials items don't matter.

Of course, as I said previously, he could gain credibility in his opinion by deleting said special items, considering he's downplaying their value so much. In which case, I'd accept his stance as I did Puck's.

But, alas, talk is cheap.

Roukan wrote:
I have special items not everyone has (less now) in a manner, yet my opinion counts correct?
And I have several items myself - the difference is that he has both of arguably the most coveted special items in the game. The ones everyone desires, and that neither you nor I have (as far as I know) - that's a huge leap from hyperjump beta, mobius code, or the beta clothes.

Again, it's kind've like a rich guy saying "Money isn't everything!" to the hobo begging for a quarter.