Why aren't there any fat people in the matrix?

41 posts · 2008-03-03 22:40:36 to 2008-10-08 04:24:32

#36300418953 03/03/2008 22:40:36 Why aren't there any fat people in the matrix?
Discuss. SMILEY
#36300419055 03/04/2008 05:26:22 Re:Why aren't there any fat people in the matrix?
In the Matrix, you are represented by our RSI, the digital manifestation of what your mind thinks you look like.

Humanity as a species is to vain to allow their brains to think of themselves as fat. SMILEY
#36300419077 03/04/2008 06:39:57 Re:Why aren't there any fat people in the matrix?
I think as far as redpills go, once out of the system, people would lose a considerable amount of weight(assuming they were overweight in the first place) from both the trauma and shock of extraction, as well as the lack of readily-available food in the known real world. The reconditioning of the muscles after extraction would play a part in a person's physique as well. Also, what Nighttrace said about the Residual Self-Image.

As far as bluepills, I would think there would be people that are overweight or obese. I think that the machines would have programs doing what we see in our society today; using subliminal imagery in entertainment and advertising to encourage them to be more "efficient" and exert more energy.
#36300419081 03/04/2008 06:57:54 Re:Why aren't there any fat people in the matrix?
I imagine that, as a plugged in Bluepill, you get fat as a normal process of food intake. But in the real world, it makes more sense that the Machines would euthanise any humans who aren't producing their optimum amount of energy--so people have heart failure, clogged arteries, heart attacks, etc (Yay for conspiracy theories)

And then, what Pyraci said is also true, once a human is freed from the Matrix, they find themselves having never really eaten anything or exercised their muscles at all, so they're bound to be pretty weak and atrophied. And finally, NT is right, we don't want to imagine ourselves as less than perfect if we had the chance, so we create a Residual Self Image of ourselves at the peak of ourselves.
#36300419116 03/04/2008 08:11:25 Re:Why aren't there any fat people in the matrix?
In this reality Colonel Sanders was promoted to lead the Machines before he invented his finger licking recipies, hence the whole fast food industry never existed.
#36300419123 03/04/2008 08:24:32 Re:Why aren't there any fat people in the matrix?

Genetic engineering. Grown people are grooooooown.

Why would the Machines create a crop of people that introduced risk factors (obesity causes so many potentially fatal health problems) into the equation? It would be their most sincere desire to delete such variables.

#36300419220 03/04/2008 10:52:26 Re:Why aren't there any fat people in the matrix?
Tytanya_MxO wrote:
In this reality Colonel Sanders was promoted to lead the Machines before he invented his finger licking recipies, hence the whole fast food industry never existed.
Hahah *gives Tytanya a pound*
#36300419249 03/04/2008 11:56:23 Re:Why aren't there any fat people in the matrix?
ShiXinFeng wrote:

Why would the Machines create a crop of people that introduced risk factors (obesity causes so many potentially fatal health problems) into the equation? It would be their most sincere desire to delete such variables.


Because the Matrix has to seem real to bluepills in order for them accept the matrix.  If everyone is in tip-top shape and perfect health, wouldn't you start to question things?

And as far as RSI goes, it's supposed to be "the mental projection of your digital self", not the projection of what you want yourself to look like.  Whether or not that can be manipulated in that way has never really been talked about as far as I know (please correct me if I'm wrong).

Now really, I know the simple answer is that overweight people in movies don't do kung fu.  But I thought it would be interesting to talk as if that weren't a factor, and I enjoy some of the theories people have come up with.
#36300419414 03/04/2008 15:44:25 Re:Why aren't there any fat people in the matrix?
An in-shape, athletic human generates more energy than a sedentary, out of shape, obese one.  It would be inefficient to have overweight people plugged in.
#36300419426 03/04/2008 16:08:19 Re:Why aren't there any fat people in the matrix?
Fen wrote:
An in-shape, athletic human generates more energy than a sedentary, out of shape, obese one.  It would be inefficient to have overweight people plugged in.


Correct but how many of those in-shape athletic humans are really in-shape or athletic? Obesity just like everything else inside the Matrix is just apart of the illusion. When it comes down to it Fat Albert is really a skinny bald shriveled up body laying inside a pod.

As to why all redpills seem to be buffed and not overweight well that may just come from the idea that all redpills are soldiers and are required to be in-shape. Speed and strength in the matrix may have nothing to do with the mussels but in the real world its all you have.

#36300419611 03/04/2008 23:58:33 Re:Why aren't there any fat people in the matrix?
((It's a game, fat people are not allowed >_> ))
#36300419672 03/05/2008 04:42:19 Re:Why aren't there any fat people in the matrix?
"Discuss"

Morpheus? Discussion closed.
#36300419680 03/05/2008 04:55:18 Re:Why aren't there any fat people in the matrix?
Because Richard Simmons was a program made by the system to try and keep people in shape in MegaCity.
#36300420243 03/05/2008 16:49:23 Re:Why aren't there any fat people in the matrix?

You don't see fat redpills because the real world food is so lousy that nobody overeats.

Illyria

#36300420430 03/05/2008 22:11:12 Re:Why aren't there any fat people in the matrix?
Redpills, as protagonists in a computer game, are supposed to be young, fit, intelligent people. 
Not to mention well-shaped RSIs are easier to animate and more likely to be used as avatars. 
#36300420498 03/06/2008 01:59:18 Re:Why aren't there any fat people in the matrix?

What about that big black dude "how do you know someone was here?" was rather "big".

#36300420500 03/06/2008 02:01:05 Re:Why aren't there any fat people in the matrix?
Laurence Fishburne is kinda big in the sequels...
#36300420504 03/06/2008 02:06:56 Re:Why aren't there any fat people in the matrix?
The Elite Guards aren't exactly in the best shape either...
#36300420574 03/06/2008 05:05:09 Re:Why aren't there any fat people in the matrix?
The blind man Morpheus nods to in the first movie.
#36300420599 03/06/2008 05:50:35 Re:Why aren't there any fat people in the matrix?

Bluepills: They live their life as normal, they believe they are eating/running etc, so the physical change to them will be directly connected to the code altering their weight in relation to this. Meanwhile we all know that their actual physical change in the real is not connected to this, because they are being feed intravenously.

So for bluepills, there IS people overweight, hell even for programs, unless you think the Oracle was a fit healthy athlete.

Redpills: Once you awaken from the Matrix, you will possibly see a new physical change, which should effect your RSI (theory?), therefore you should be less likely to see overweight redpills, if any.

In the movies, the RSI and the Real were the same actors, but the truth is... would people really gain that much weight? i.e Morpheus and others.

#36300423559 03/11/2008 23:41:17 Re:Why aren't there any fat people in the matrix?
ShiXinFeng wrote:

Genetic engineering. Grown people are grooooooown.

Why would the Machines create a crop of people that introduced risk factors (obesity causes so many potentially fatal health problems) into the equation? It would be their most sincere desire to delete such variables.


RON PAUL, anon. I herd yuo liek mudkips.

 I agree with the idea that people are vain enough to believe they look good, thus, in the matrix, they look good.

 There'd be a smattering of people with BDI though... well... V-BDI, really (V for virtual) so I guess a few fatties would exist. Harpoon tiem naow plz?

#36300423582 03/12/2008 01:04:07 Re:Why aren't there any fat people in the matrix?
Surfel wrote:
ShiXinFeng wrote:

Genetic engineering. Grown people are grooooooown.

Why would the Machines create a crop of people that introduced risk factors (obesity causes so many potentially fatal health problems) into the equation? It would be their most sincere desire to delete such variables.


RON PAUL, anon. I herd yuo liek mudkips.

 I agree with the idea that people are vain enough to believe they look good, thus, in the matrix, they look good.

 There'd be a smattering of people with BDI though... well... V-BDI, really (V for virtual) so I guess a few fatties would exist. Harpoon tiem naow plz?

/b/ much? jesus...
#36300423585 03/12/2008 05:42:01 Re:Why aren't there any fat people in the matrix?

In the real it takes alot of dev time to make content aka model shapes that wouldn't be commonly used. So I would imagine (I am guessing) that way back when the decision was to make more stylized body types for normal npcs.

Hence the overweight concept just wasn't a priority...

Oh wait you wanted an RP answer?.... hrmmmm

#36300423648 03/12/2008 10:29:14 Re:Why aren't there any fat people in the matrix?
There are fat people in the matrix, you just have to wear the right roca.
#36300423655 03/12/2008 10:50:17 Re:Why aren't there any fat people in the matrix?
ZaneZavin wrote:
There are fat people in the matrix, you just have to wear the right roca.

PJ looks like a body type 4 ... in a commando gear! If he wore a ROCA, oh gawd, "it" would exceed the limits of the matrix.
#36300423929 03/12/2008 18:52:50 Re:Why aren't there any fat people in the matrix?
Tenshi wrote:
/b/ much? jesus...


No no, RAPTOR jesus.

 Also, check out trinity's *CENSORED* in reloaded and revolutions and compare it to the first one.

 Evidence that there ARE people with fat body parts in the matrix (and what's amusing is that this is AFTER carrie-anne's *CENSORED* and thighs were digitally reduced.)

#36300424029 03/13/2008 00:08:31 Re:Why aren't there any fat people in the matrix?
GoDGiVeR wrote:
ZaneZavin wrote:
There are fat people in the matrix, you just have to wear the right roca.

PJ looks like a body type 4 ... in a commando gear! If he wore a ROCA, oh gawd, "it" would exceed the limits of the matrix.
>.>


#36300424034 03/13/2008 00:20:53 Re:Why aren't there any fat people in the matrix?
Tenshi wrote:
GoDGiVeR wrote:
ZaneZavin wrote:
There are fat people in the matrix, you just have to wear the right roca.

PJ looks like a body type 4 ... in a commando gear! If he wore a ROCA, oh gawd, "it" would exceed the limits of the matrix.
>.>



Now PJ is that fat with just command gear.
#36300429859 03/22/2008 21:07:19 Re:Why aren't there any fat people in the matrix?

Emm... Well im not fat but i have to say this....

If you look at me for 2 long you will die

=(

#36300430575 03/24/2008 13:01:25 Re:Why aren't there any fat people in the matrix?
zeroone506 wrote:
"Discuss"

Morpheus? Discussion closed.

#36300430599 03/24/2008 13:34:29 Re:Why aren't there any fat people in the matrix?
Because fat people can't Hyperjump.
#36300430689 03/24/2008 15:11:09 Re:Why aren't there any fat people in the matrix?
Fen wrote:
An in-shape, athletic human generates more energy than a sedentary, out of shape, obese one.  It would be inefficient to have overweight people plugged in.
Really? i'd have to question that... the machine energy system as far as i was aware works on heat..If you stick a fat person in a tight space they are going to sweat like a b1tch and generate a sh1te load of body heat... I say thats good..But then again... THats in the real, so in the matrix you may be fit? :S i donno its possible that there are fat people and you just havent got your blupill slider high enough in options SMILEY
#36300439576 04/09/2008 05:42:02 Why aren't there any fat people in the matrix?
Deus Ex Machina: Right Archie, how do we keep our energy supply high and not at risk?
Architect: Do not call me Archie, for frivilous human names are of no use to me. And to answer your query, I have decided that in order to keep our energy supply in good condition, we should eliminate obese people, for they take up space and are not any use.

That's how it happened..SMILEY
#36300439592 04/09/2008 06:24:29 Re:Why aren't there any fat people in the matrix?
That cop that kicks the door in, in the first scene of the original Matrix, had enjoyed many a Baconator in his day.
#36300439618 04/09/2008 07:28:42 Re:Why aren't there any fat people in the matrix?
shinpseudo wrote:
That cop that kicks the door in, in the first scene of the original Matrix, had enjoyed many a Baconator in his day.


Bastard. I was doing just fine not thinking about the scrumptious taste of bacon and charbroiled hamburger, smothered with melted cheese and all the trimmings.

Trust me, there are fat people in the Matrix. We just 'think' ourselves skinny.

#36300439623 04/09/2008 07:41:09 Re:Why aren't there any fat people in the matrix?
Mave wrote:
Because fat people can't Hyperjump.
Behold the false prophet! His heretical statements find no solace in the Church of Wario.
#36300439626 04/09/2008 08:03:57 Re:Why aren't there any fat people in the matrix?

Do you think Vinia has Magenta hair in the real? Do you think that the Machines supply her with hair dye? Nah, your RSI is what your mind makes it, doesn't mean that you're gonna look exactly as you are in the real, Neo had much longer hair when he first jacked into the training construct than he did in the real. If you know it's a simulation and you know you can make yourself look better (in any way that you think would make you look better) thats what most people would do. If you don't know it's a simulation (bluepill) then your image will be whatever your mind thinks you should look like...

There are probably lots of larger bluepills out there, they just may not have been seen on film and the MxO peds... well they're walking aren't they... the large bluepills are probably driving the cars... SMILEY

#36300439796 04/09/2008 12:49:21 Re:Why aren't there any fat people in the matrix?
Vinia wrote:

Do you think Vinia has Magenta hair in the real? Do you think that the Machines supply her with hair dye? Nah, your RSI is what your mind makes it, doesn't mean that you're gonna look exactly as you are in the real, Neo had much longer hair when he first jacked into the training construct than he did in the real. If you know it's a simulation and you know you can make yourself look better (in any way that you think would make you look better) thats what most people would do. If you don't know it's a simulation (bluepill) then your image will be whatever your mind thinks you should look like...

There are probably lots of larger bluepills out there, they just may not have been seen on film and the MxO peds... well they're walking aren't they... the large bluepills are probably driving the cars... SMILEY" />


I know I would look better with angel wings and devil horns, but dammit I just can't do it!

Sorry, I felt like playing devil's advocate.
#36300439897 04/09/2008 15:53:15 Re:Why aren't there any fat people in the matrix?
-Collbard- wrote:
Vinia wrote:

Do you think Vinia has Magenta hair in the real? Do you think that the Machines supply her with hair dye? Nah, your RSI is what your mind makes it, doesn't mean that you're gonna look exactly as you are in the real, Neo had much longer hair when he first jacked into the training construct than he did in the real. If you know it's a simulation and you know you can make yourself look better (in any way that you think would make you look better) thats what most people would do. If you don't know it's a simulation (bluepill) then your image will be whatever your mind thinks you should look like...

There are probably lots of larger bluepills out there, they just may not have been seen on film and the MxO peds... well they're walking aren't they... the large bluepills are probably driving the cars... SMILEY<img mce_tsrc=" />


I know I would look better with angel wings and devil horns, but dammit I just can't do it!

Sorry, I felt like playing devil's advocate.
You may think that but does your subconscious? (Should've mentioned that it's probably more to do with subconscious image than what you actually think would look best) Possibly only minor alterations based on character will make themselves evident (like my hair...) SMILEY
#36300439933 04/09/2008 16:51:20 Re:Why aren't there any fat people in the matrix?
shinpseudo wrote:
That cop that kicks the door in, in the first scene of the original Matrix, had enjoyed many a Baconator in his day.


Good lord, I think I am having a coronary just looking at that thing SMILEY

Mabey the teal pills are pills that alter your subconscious to think your looks different?

#36300507368 10/08/2008 04:24:32 Re:Re:Why aren't there any fat people in the matrix?
NightTrace wrote:
In the Matrix, you are represented by our RSI, the digital manifestation of what your mind thinks you look like.

Humanity as a species is to vain to allow their brains to think of themselves as fat. SMILEY
I agree with NightTrace, the RSI's of the Matrix are What the People in the Matrix Visualise themselves to be,  Therefore:Human Vanity prevents the appearence of Fat RSI's in considerable numbers.