Image Retrieval - February 27, 2008

ZippyTheSquirrel wrote:

AnXieTy wrote:

while your fixing using master shadow with luggables, also make sure you disable hyperjump and hyper speed. A person who non stop jumps is capable of hanging onto the luggable for just as long as someone in mastershadow. And if you know how to side strafe and cap your movement speed, you can outrun pretty much anyone and keep hold of the luggable just as easy as you can by jumping non stop.

It's a lot easier to knock someone out of the sky than out of Shadow. Just follow them closely enough and find a way to root them. Eventually they're going to get tired of all the jumping and go back to mining. Knife throwers and rooters in Sneak have a definite advantage there.

You think its that easy huh? Cause I'd be willing to bet character deletion that I could escape and evade  for hours by non stop hyperjumping.

You can accomplish the same thing with hyperjump that you can with master shadow...  invulnerability. It needs to be fixed.

Learn2root

SolidRevolver wrote:

While your at it, could you make so when you drop the lug, you lose the buffs.  People are picking up lugs, hiding them in the city then heading into the Construct with all these extra buffs and even killing them wont remove the buffs without heading into the city and finding the lugs and picking them up.

9mmfu explained in area chat a long time ago at Tabor West when he popped up that the dropping them and keeping the buffs was by design, unless my memory has failed me.

Zudrag wrote:

SolidRevolver wrote:

While your at it, could you make so when you drop the lug, you lose the buffs.  People are picking up lugs, hiding them in the city then heading into the Construct with all these extra buffs and even killing them wont remove the buffs without heading into the city and finding the lugs and picking them up.

9mmfu explained in area chat a long time ago at Tabor West when he popped up that the dropping them and keeping the buffs was by design, unless my memory has failed me.

" width="15" height="15" />  Bit of a naff design to be honest, its like quitting your job and still getting paid.  The whole point of fighting to keep them is taken away when you show up with buffs but no lug

Cause I'd be willing to bet character deletion that I could escape and evade  for hours by non stop hyperjumping.

AnXieTy wrote:

Cause I'd be willing to bet character deletion that I could escape and evade  for hours by non stop hyperjumping.

Not if you were on Vector.

AnXieTy wrote:

Cause I'd be willing to bet character deletion that I could escape and evade  for hours by non stop hyperjumping.

Not if you were on Vector.

lmao... no.

There's nothing special about vector, or the people who play there.

AnXieTy wrote:

ZippyTheSquirrel wrote:

AnXieTy wrote:

while your fixing using master shadow with luggables, also make sure you disable hyperjump and hyper speed. A person who non stop jumps is capable of hanging onto the luggable for just as long as someone in mastershadow. And if you know how to side strafe and cap your movement speed, you can outrun pretty much anyone and keep hold of the luggable just as easy as you can by jumping non stop.

It's a lot easier to knock someone out of the sky than out of Shadow. Just follow them closely enough and find a way to root them. Eventually they're going to get tired of all the jumping and go back to mining. Knife throwers and rooters in Sneak have a definite advantage there.

You think its that easy huh? Cause I'd be willing to bet character deletion that I could escape and evade  for hours by non stop hyperjumping.

You can accomplish the same thing with hyperjump that you can with master shadow...  invulnerability. It needs to be fixed.

Of course you could, but fact is that 70% of all people will stop after 4-5 jumps and then resume business as usual. Getting HJers is at least possible in that respect, killing someone who is in MS form is impossible in contrast.

yea, make 4-5 jumps, tap once, and continue jumping... Thanks but no thanks.

Luggables should be adding to pvp with a CTF style mini game whereby capturing the luggable from the other team you "win". If people are just gonna get em and be like "zomg I have the luggables... RUN" there's no point in having luggables in game at all.

Having the luggables should be a hinderance to you, hense why you should have to have a team backing you up for the right to mine info.

devs, if you wanna add in a system that both adds meaing to the pvp in the datamine and actually gives people some goal orientated pvp for once. Disable hyperjump, disable mastershadow, and disable hyperspeed while carrying this new datamine luggable. Only allow people carrying this new luggable the ability to move at 100% movement speed while fully buffed. Make it so they actually need a team to back them up in the datamine to keep them alive. Then make it so once you pick up the luggable, you get an ability grant (just like we had with the smith virus), by turning on the ability your granted from carrying this luggable, you'll have a force multiplier AOE style ability, and this ability will buff the info extraction rate for everyone on the team. By making the system like this, you give people a reason to protect the person carrying the luggable, and you give people a bonus for protecting the person carrying the luggable. If you simply stick in 3 luggables (one luggable per org, not counting EPN-CYPH) you still promote inner org pvp, because while one machine team might have a luggable, another machine team might want to take it from them so they can mine info. The system put in place needs to be done right, or else its pointless and after a few weeks will go unused like most other content added into this game.

yea, make 4-5 jumps, tap once, and continue jumping... Thanks but no thanks.

Luggables should be adding to pvp with a CTF style mini game whereby capturing the luggable from the other team you "win". If people are just gonna get em and be like "zomg I have the luggables... RUN" there's no point in having luggables in game at all.

Having the luggables should be a hinderance to you, hense why you should have to have a team backing you up for the right to mine info.

devs, if you wanna add in a system that both adds meaing to the pvp in the datamine and actually gives people some goal orientated pvp for once. Disable hyperjump, disable mastershadow, and disable hyperspeed while carrying this new datamine luggable. Only allow people carrying this new luggable the ability to move at 100% movement speed while fully buffed. Make it so they actually need a team to back them up in the datamine to keep them alive. Then make it so once you pick up the luggable, you get an ability grant (just like we had with the smith virus), by turning on the ability your granted from carrying this luggable, you'll have a force multiplier AOE style ability, and this ability will buff the info extraction rate for everyone on the team. By making the system like this, you give people a reason to protect the person carrying the luggable, and you give people a bonus for protecting the person carrying the luggable. If you simply stick in 3 luggables (one luggable per org, not counting EPN-CYPH) you still promote inner org pvp, because while one machine team might have a luggable, another machine team might want to take it from them so they can mine info. The system put in place needs to be done right, or else its pointless and after a few weeks will go unused like most other content added into this game.

What's with all the calls for nerfing. . .everything?

Datamine's a place for ganking or grabbing info. If you're good (or lucky) you can do both, now, just the way it is. The economy isn't going to die, because nobody is ever going to pay 50mil for a sakura that just yesterday only cost 5mil, regardless of how much money everyone has. And there isn't going to be some magic reason to suddenly use CQ's, so they're as "useless" today as they were last week. 

It's not like datamine is going to keep people subbed for an extra 6 months. Even if every change that has been suggested were made, people will still get bored with it in a couple of weeks. It's the nature of people playing a video game.

Just leave it alone already.

devs, if you wanna add in a system that both adds meaing to the pvp in the datamine and actually gives people some goal orientated pvp for once. Disable hyperjump, disable mastershadow, and disable hyperspeed while carrying this new datamine luggable. Only allow people carrying this new luggable the ability to move at 100% movement speed while fully buffed. Make it so they actually need a team to back them up in the datamine to keep them alive. Then make it so once you pick up the luggable, you get an ability grant (just like we had with the smith virus), by turning on the ability your granted from carrying this luggable, you'll have a force multiplier AOE style ability, and this ability will buff the info extraction rate for everyone on the team. By making the system like this, you give people a reason to protect the person carrying the luggable, and you give people a bonus for protecting the person carrying the luggable. If you simply stick in 3 luggables (one luggable per org, not counting EPN-CYPH) you still promote inner org pvp, because while one machine team might have a luggable, another machine team might want to take it from them so they can mine info. The system put in place needs to be done right, or else its pointless and after a few weeks will go unused like most other content added into this game.

devs, if you wanna add in a system that both adds meaing to the pvp in the datamine and actually gives people some goal orientated pvp for once. Disable hyperjump, disable mastershadow, and disable hyperspeed while carrying this new datamine luggable. Only allow people carrying this new luggable the ability to move at 100% movement speed while fully buffed. Make it so they actually need a team to back them up in the datamine to keep them alive. Then make it so once you pick up the luggable, you get an ability grant (just like we had with the smith virus), by turning on the ability your granted from carrying this luggable, you'll have a force multiplier AOE style ability, and this ability will buff the info extraction rate for everyone on the team. By making the system like this, you give people a reason to protect the person carrying the luggable, and you give people a bonus for protecting the person carrying the luggable. If you simply stick in 3 luggables (one luggable per org, not counting EPN-CYPH) you still promote inner org pvp, because while one machine team might have a luggable, another machine team might want to take it from them so they can mine info. The system put in place needs to be done right, or else its pointless and after a few weeks will go unused like most other content added into this game.

ok, but as soon as this pet project is finished, can we have something more related to the game/storyline. ffa and info farming just dont have lasting appeal. outside of getting to kill some of my machinist rivals, this addition just didnt do anything for me.

1000th post. 1200 if you count the old school forums in

 Here's a more novel Idea. Leave the game how it currently is. No matter how much info the nodes give wont change that the games economy has been crap ever since they allowed you to sell back ability codes for that one day. I mean how many people ended up just coding up something for like 10k and getting 35k back for it. I know of quiet a few people who did. Don't implement a new luggable, don't nerf the nodes tap percentage. And since your at it why not just change all the servers to hostile since you are obviously wanting more and more of the community to pvp and run any sort of RPers off the game, or at least attempt to. Sure flame me if ya want but hey i'm just stating what i have noticed. Tell people they cant Rp exiles. Don't tell me how to RP. Especially since i have been doing it this way since the release of the and others since Beta. But whatever whats one little ole Merovingian's point of view going to matter in this case. You seemly only listen to the Zionists and Machine players cause they are "involved" Well perhaps if ya didn't decide to just cater to them then you would see we can also be involved. Oh and booting alot of people who were spying on a meeting not more then a few nights ago. And those being Merovingian operative/exiles and stating that their is no way that any one of us could figure out where it was at or what not. Well ever organization has its spies and with that info can and will exchange hands for the right price. But as a final not its completely acceptable for the Machines and Zionist to come ruin player events for the Merovingian operatives/exiles and see no consequences for it. But we get caught doing it. Then well a lot of people get booted from the server and when we log back in we freeze up and have to reboot or hard boot computer.  Way to go. Way to be.

VVolfsBlood wrote:

 Here's a more novel Idea. Leave the game how it currently is. No matter how much info the nodes give wont change that the games economy has been crap ever since they allowed you to sell back ability codes for that one day. I mean how many people ended up just coding up something for like 10k and getting 35k back for it. I know of quiet a few people who did. Don't implement a new luggable, don't nerf the nodes tap percentage. And since your at it why not just change all the servers to hostile since you are obviously wanting more and more of the community to pvp and run any sort of RPers off the game, or at least attempt to. Sure flame me if ya want but hey i'm just stating what i have noticed. Tell people they cant Rp exiles. Don't tell me how to RP. Especially since i have been doing it this way since the release of the and others since Beta. But whatever whats one little ole Merovingian's point of view going to matter in this case. You seemly only listen to the Zionists and Machine players cause they are "involved" Well perhaps if ya didn't decide to just cater to them then you would see we can also be involved. Oh and booting alot of people who were spying on a meeting not more then a few nights ago. And those being Merovingian operative/exiles and stating that their is no way that any one of us could figure out where it was at or what not. Well ever organization has its spies and with that info can and will exchange hands for the right price. But as a final not its completely acceptable for the Machines and Zionist to come ruin player events for the Merovingian operatives/exiles and see no consequences for it. But we get caught doing it. Then well a lot of people get booted from the server and when we log back in we freeze up and have to reboot or hard boot computer.  Way to go. Way to be.

Too long; didn't read.

Summary:

Wolfsblood: The revision of the Data Mine yield %age should be taken as an opportunity to review the in - game economy as a whole rather than to look at it as an isolated factor.

Wolfsblood: In my opnion, some people are leaving the game and losing the passion they once had for it because they are beginning to feel excluded OOCly from certain aspects of the main storyline.

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XElite: Perhaps this should be seen as an opportunity for us all to further consider and if needed, remedy the situation, rather than to assign any blame.

Zudrag wrote:

VVolfsBlood wrote:

 Here's a more novel Idea. Leave the game how it currently is. No matter how much info the nodes give wont change that the games economy has been crap ever since they allowed you to sell back ability codes for that one day. I mean how many people ended up just coding up something for like 10k and getting 35k back for it. I know of quiet a few people who did. Don't implement a new luggable, don't nerf the nodes tap percentage. And since your at it why not just change all the servers to hostile since you are obviously wanting more and more of the community to pvp and run any sort of RPers off the game, or at least attempt to. Sure flame me if ya want but hey i'm just stating what i have noticed. Tell people they cant Rp exiles. Don't tell me how to RP. Especially since i have been doing it this way since the release of the and others since Beta. But whatever whats one little ole Merovingian's point of view going to matter in this case. You seemly only listen to the Zionists and Machine players cause they are "involved" Well perhaps if ya didn't decide to just cater to them then you would see we can also be involved. Oh and booting alot of people who were spying on a meeting not more then a few nights ago. And those being Merovingian operative/exiles and stating that their is no way that any one of us could figure out where it was at or what not. Well ever organization has its spies and with that info can and will exchange hands for the right price. But as a final not its completely acceptable for the Machines and Zionist to come ruin player events for the Merovingian operatives/exiles and see no consequences for it. But we get caught doing it. Then well a lot of people get booted from the server and when we log back in we freeze up and have to reboot or hard boot computer.  Way to go. Way to be.

Too long; didn't read.

Summary:

Wolfsblood: The revision of the Data Mine yield %age should be taken as an opportunity to review the in - game economy as a whole rather than to look at it as an isolated factor.

Wolfsblood: In my opnion, some people are leaving the game and losing the passion they once had for it because they are beginning to feel excluded OOCly from certain aspects of the main storyline.

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XElite: Perhaps this should be seen as an opportunity to further consider and if needed, remedy the situation, rather than to assign blame.

This game needs to implement new things for RPers, and new things to get PvPers into RP. RP is why I bought the game (on Revolutions I was like, "omg, I will be best friends with Morpheus!1!" )

But I like this luggable node idea, it is a way to make even better money for those of us who cannot spend 2/3 of our life in Datamine.

This game needs to implement new things for RPers, and new things to get PvPers into RP. RP is why I bought the game (on Revolutions I was like, "omg, I will be best friends with Morpheus!1!" )

On this note i would like to say that is very true, but i highly doubt you will see that happening. The game has been and still is becoming more and more PvP orientated.

But I like this luggable node idea, it is a way to make even better money for those of us who cannot spend 2/3 of our life in Datamine.

This is a good point indeed but also on this not. It will only be a good thing provided they place all or at least two of them outside of Data Mine. Otherwise it makes them pointless. Except to push for hey hes got the xX% luggable for Data nodes. Quick get him. Which yes if one is in Data Mine thats exactly what will happen. But outside of it finding that person will be more of a challenge. But with one in yes they will probably nerf the percent given in Data Mine but unless your lucky to find it while there are little to no people in the construct it will just be a run for your life to keep it so you can hopefully use it.

TheShickle wrote:

This game needs to implement new things for RPers, and new things to get PvPers into RP. RP is why I bought the game (on Revolutions I was like, "omg, I will be best friends with Morpheus!1!" )

On this note i would like to say that is very true, but i highly doubt you will see that happening. The game has been and still is becoming more and more PvP orientated.

But I like this luggable node idea, it is a way to make even better money for those of us who cannot spend 2/3 of our life in Datamine.

This is a good point indeed but also on this not. It will only be a good thing provided they place all or at least two of them outside of Data Mine. Otherwise it makes them pointless. Except to push for hey hes got the xX% luggable for Data nodes. Quick get him. Which yes if one is in Data Mine thats exactly what will happen. But outside of it finding that person will be more of a challenge. But with one in yes they will probably nerf the percent given in Data Mine but unless your lucky to find it while there are little to no people in the construct it will just be a run for your life to keep it so you can hopefully use it.

This is why I would like to see more RP content, I remember how let down everyone felt when those props came out.

Yet i bet you read anxietys post and yet mine was about 2 more sentences then thiers. Oh well shows that some people just cant handle the truth when some one states it for all to see. Ya ya i know go QQ somewhere else.

VVolfsBlood wrote:

Yet i bet you read anxietys post and yet mine was about 2 more sentences then thiers. Oh well shows that some people just cant handle the truth when some one states it for all to see. Ya ya i know go QQ somewhere else.

my post > your post... nuff said

VVolfsBlood wrote:

TheShickle wrote:

This game needs to implement new things for RPers, and new things to get PvPers into RP. RP is why I bought the game (on Revolutions I was like, "omg, I will be best friends with Morpheus!1!" )

On this note i would like to say that is very true, but i highly doubt you will see that happening. The game has been and still is becoming more and more PvP orientated.

But I like this luggable node idea, it is a way to make even better money for those of us who cannot spend 2/3 of our life in Datamine.

This is a good point indeed but also on this not. It will only be a good thing provided they place all or at least two of them outside of Data Mine. Otherwise it makes them pointless. Except to push for hey hes got the xX% luggable for Data nodes. Quick get him. Which yes if one is in Data Mine thats exactly what will happen. But outside of it finding that person will be more of a challenge. But with one in yes they will probably nerf the percent given in Data Mine but unless your lucky to find it while there are little to no people in the construct it will just be a run for your life to keep it so you can hopefully use it.

This is why I would like to see more RP content, I remember how let down everyone felt when those props came out.

TheShickle wrote:

VVolfsBlood wrote:

TheShickle wrote:

This game needs to implement new things for RPers, and new things to get PvPers into RP. RP is why I bought the game (on Revolutions I was like, "omg, I will be best friends with Morpheus!1!" )

On this note i would like to say that is very true, but i highly doubt you will see that happening. The game has been and still is becoming more and more PvP orientated.

But I like this luggable node idea, it is a way to make even better money for those of us who cannot spend 2/3 of our life in Datamine.

This is a good point indeed but also on this not. It will only be a good thing provided they place all or at least two of them outside of Data Mine. Otherwise it makes them pointless. Except to push for hey hes got the xX% luggable for Data nodes. Quick get him. Which yes if one is in Data Mine thats exactly what will happen. But outside of it finding that person will be more of a challenge. But with one in yes they will probably nerf the percent given in Data Mine but unless your lucky to find it while there are little to no people in the construct it will just be a run for your life to keep it so you can hopefully use it.

This is why I would like to see more RP content, I remember how let down everyone felt when those props came out.

That's an excellent idea! One of these luggables in each map of MegaCity (possibly two in downtown) and maybe a maximum of three in DataMine (though less is more in that case, I think).

More focus on RP and RP events is sorely needed, the only question is how to do it, and how to get those making the decisions to implement it - and also, how to get the RPers involved.

I'm looking forward to today's; though, I do hope it isn't relevant to actual mining or another luggable in Datamine.

MxO-Insertion wrote:

I'm looking forward to today's; though, I do hope it isn't relevant to actual mining or another luggable in Datamine.

Remember theres not always a weekly image retrieval, only when the devs have something they want to show us.

Would be nice to get a little sneak peak of the 3rd anniversary though*

*hint hint