Image Retrieval - February 27, 2008

83 posts · 2008-02-27 14:58:28 to 2008-03-05 08:58:31

#36300415652 02/27/2008 14:58:28 Image Retrieval - February 27, 2008
This thread is for discussing Image Retrieval, posted February 27, 2008 on Data Node One.


#36300415662 02/27/2008 15:09:05 Re:Image Retrieval - February 27, 2008
Its a luggable?
Starschwar
#36300415664 02/27/2008 15:11:41 Re:Image Retrieval - February 27, 2008
Indeed... and perhaps it'll draw the gankers away from us lowly 0.4 users. I like it.
Starschwar
#36300415665 02/27/2008 15:12:50 Re:Image Retrieval - February 27, 2008
So the new item is a Nintendo DS? Hm.

I think I'll stick to my little Sega Genesis.
#36300415668 02/27/2008 15:15:46 Re:Image Retrieval - February 27, 2008
Will this be in the hotfix that includes allowing players to use the temporary fix for the 8800 issues?
#36300415670 02/27/2008 15:20:31 Re:Image Retrieval - February 27, 2008
Mathalos wrote:
Will this be in the hotfix that includes allowing players to use the temporary fix for the 8800 issues?

No, it's just a teaser of things coming soon for Datamine.
#36300415671 02/27/2008 15:22:12 Re:Image Retrieval - February 27, 2008
Crikey, that was quick. Or has this been in the pipeline for a little while?
#36300415672 02/27/2008 15:22:22 Re:Image Retrieval - February 27, 2008
Virrago wrote:
Mathalos wrote:
Will this be in the hotfix that includes allowing players to use the temporary fix for the 8800 issues?

No, it's just a teaser of things coming soon for Datamine.

What sort of time scale till we see changes?  anniversary like rare was talking about or earlier?
#36300415688 02/27/2008 15:53:10 Re:Image Retrieval - February 27, 2008

What amount of change will this make to the income?  I mean if it doubles info... 300-400k info per tap, that would be well worth fighting for (If the info isn't nerfed by then of course)

Also, is the next update the Anniversary update?  :O

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#36300415700 02/27/2008 16:13:32 Re:Image Retrieval - February 27, 2008
*CENSORED* you guys work fast. Kudos on this guys, great idea SMILEY
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#36300415710 02/27/2008 16:26:05 Re:Image Retrieval - February 27, 2008
Brilliant.  Makes for an almost "king of the hill" type play in the Datamine.  Unless there are like 40 of them.
#36300415718 02/27/2008 16:36:47 Re:Image Retrieval - February 27, 2008
What's the max $info?

#36300415729 02/27/2008 16:52:44 Re:Image Retrieval - February 27, 2008
Mercio wrote:
What's the max $info?


4.4billion I think

But then you can put 4.4bil in the Crew Bank and another 4.4bil in the Faction Bank so either way, a lot of info is forthcomeing, more still if your willing to fight ^^

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#36300415746 02/27/2008 17:11:37 Re:Image Retrieval - February 27, 2008
Please don't nerf our info. SMILEY

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#36300415769 02/27/2008 18:04:36 Re:Image Retrieval - February 27, 2008
Mercio wrote:
What's the max $info?

i think he's reffering to the max info you get a tap with the new luggable
#36300415775 02/27/2008 18:08:43 Re:Image Retrieval - February 27, 2008
Chemuel wrote:
So the new item is a Nintendo DS? Hm.

I think I'll stick to my little Sega Genesis.
Win...


TonyJaa
#36300415778 02/27/2008 18:16:20 Re:Image Retrieval - February 27, 2008
Ooooweeeee....


....oh, no, wait, the big PvP teams will hog these. Nevermind.
#36300415803 02/27/2008 19:04:12 Re:Image Retrieval - February 27, 2008
I haven't seen more than 190K per.  Usually you get around 175K. 
#36300415804 02/27/2008 19:05:58 Re:Image Retrieval - February 27, 2008
GypsyJuggler wrote:
I haven't seen more than 190K per.  Usually you get around 175K. 

The 3.0 tap gives the most info, I've hit about 215 as my personal highest. I know someone elsei n my faction got a bit higher.

Virrago wrote:
Mathalos wrote:
Will this be in the hotfix that includes allowing players to use the temporary fix for the 8800 issues?

No, it's just a teaser of things coming soon for Datamine.
also does this imply more things to come ? More awesometastic things?!
#36300415809 02/27/2008 19:16:31 Re:Image Retrieval - February 27, 2008
Mitrios wrote:
GypsyJuggler wrote:
I haven't seen more than 190K per.  Usually you get around 175K. 
The 3.0 tap gives the most info, I've hit about 215 as my personal highest. I know someone elsei n my faction got a bit higher.
I see, the results I mentioned were from a 0.4, I'll have to give the 3 a try. 
#36300415817 02/27/2008 19:36:14 Re:Image Retrieval - February 27, 2008
yeah i hit about 218k today max tap
#36300415819 02/27/2008 19:41:25 Re:Image Retrieval - February 27, 2008
I wouldn't mind if they lowered the info we get from the regular data taps, saying it's only a good thing is like saying raising minimum wage is a good thing, it just means inflation.  So if they made it so our taps gained less minfo and the luggable a little more than the max we get now it would make the luggable that much more to contend for, as well as not flood the market with a bunch of info.
#36300415830 02/27/2008 20:16:23 Re:Image Retrieval - February 27, 2008
Still not for nerfing the information, I'm not going to fight for a datatap, forget that.

#36300415849 02/27/2008 21:02:41 Re:Image Retrieval - February 27, 2008
nubious81 wrote:
Mercio wrote:
What's the max $info?

i think he's reffering to the max info you get a tap with the new luggable

You are correct sir. I was asking about the max $info you can get with the new luggable.
#36300415859 02/27/2008 21:31:08 Re:Image Retrieval - February 27, 2008
Mercio wrote:
nubious81 wrote:
Mercio wrote:
What's the max $info?

i think he's reffering to the max info you get a tap with the new luggable

You are correct sir. I was asking about the max $info you can get with the new luggable.
Oh, and I thought 4.4 bil was the answer.


Wishful thinking.
#36300415879 02/27/2008 22:38:39 Re:Image Retrieval - February 27, 2008
odj wrote:
Please don't nerf our info. SMILEY" />

I agree, I don't want the info to be nerfed. SMILEY  

I think this is the Super Data Tap that Rarebit was talking about in Patch 58 discussion.
#36300415880 02/27/2008 22:42:22 Re:Image Retrieval - February 27, 2008
Travi wrote:
Still not for nerfing the information, I'm not going to fight for a datatap, forget that.

The Max tap I've gotten was 189,000.  Rarebit says when the Super Data Tap comes out, they'll nerf it to x5 instead of x10.  If you take the 189,000 that I got and half it, It comes out at 94,500 which is pretty much what you can get at Creston Heights without the ganking or Agents chasing you around.  

Another person says 215,000.  Nerf that to x5 and that's 107,500.

Personally I think if they are going to nerf it, they should nerf it to x7 and not x5.  Either that or make the Super Data Tap get x2 more than the normal amount.
#36300415896 02/27/2008 23:07:40 Re:Image Retrieval - February 27, 2008
MetaLogic wrote:
Travi wrote:
Still not for nerfing the information, I'm not going to fight for a datatap, forget that.

The Max tap I've gotten was 189,000.  Rarebit says when the Super Data Tap comes out, they'll nerf it to x5 instead of x10.  If you take the 189,000 that I got and half it, It comes out at 94,500 which is pretty much what you can get at Creston Heights without the ganking or Agents chasing you around.  

Another person says 215,000.  Nerf that to x5 and that's 107,500.

Personally I think if they are going to nerf it, they should nerf it to x7 and not x5.  Either that or make the Super Data Tap get x2 more than the normal amount.
?? Show me a screenshot of how much you get from a single tap in Creston vs Datamine.

#36300415904 02/27/2008 23:19:48 Re:Image Retrieval - February 27, 2008

#36300415906 02/27/2008 23:24:45 Re:Image Retrieval - February 27, 2008
HostileIntention wrote:


I stand corrected.
#36300415911 02/27/2008 23:31:41 Re:Image Retrieval - February 27, 2008
Phew for a few minutes there I thought math was broken.

#36300415913 02/27/2008 23:34:09 Re:Image Retrieval - February 27, 2008
Rarebit wrote:
Phew for a few minutes there I thought math was broken.


That decimal point can be a tricky thing indeed.
#36300415915 02/27/2008 23:35:19 Re:Image Retrieval - February 27, 2008
MATH: Still works.

#36300415932 02/27/2008 23:44:15 Re:Image Retrieval - February 27, 2008
Rarebit wrote:
MATH: Still works.


I never said I was good at math.  In fact I know I suck at it.  Thats why I picked a non-math field lol.

Seriously though, I just thought I'd offer some alternatives to nerfing the info.  SMILEY
#36300415940 02/27/2008 23:51:52 Re:Image Retrieval - February 27, 2008
How about an experience boost to nodes somewhere?  Please.
#36300415987 02/28/2008 00:53:50 Re:Image Retrieval - February 27, 2008
Just as a sidenote Rarebit, if that thing will be a luggable or something like that, you have to consider this:





Rare, please consider that the Master Shadow ability should drop ALL luggables from your inventory, otherwise a ton of tools will run around with these new taps without a chance of getting them from them.

(Under the assumption that it's a luggable.)
#36300415990 02/28/2008 01:04:41 Re:Image Retrieval - February 27, 2008
GoDGiVeR wrote:
Just as a sidenote Rarebit, if that thing will be a luggable or something like that, you have to consider this:





Rare, please consider that the Master Shadow ability should drop ALL luggables from your inventory, otherwise a ton of tools will run around with these new taps without a chance of getting them from them.

(Under the assumption that it's a luggable.)
Oh, don't worry. We have tools to tool the tools, I think.

#36300416013 02/28/2008 01:35:15 Re:Image Retrieval - February 27, 2008
Rarebit wrote:
GoDGiVeR wrote:
Just as a sidenote Rarebit, if that thing will be a luggable or something like that, you have to consider this:





Rare, please consider that the Master Shadow ability should drop ALL luggables from your inventory, otherwise a ton of tools will run around with these new taps without a chance of getting them from them.

(Under the assumption that it's a luggable.)
Oh, don't worry. We have tools to tool the tools, I think.


As long as the smurfing doesn't involve smurfing, I'm smurf with it.
#36300416016 02/28/2008 01:44:29 Re:Image Retrieval - February 27, 2008
I smurf what you did there.

#36300416031 02/28/2008 02:34:19 Re:Image Retrieval - February 27, 2008
Rarebit wrote:
GoDGiVeR wrote:
Just as a sidenote Rarebit, if that thing will be a luggable or something like that, you have to consider this:





Rare, please consider that the Master Shadow ability should drop ALL luggables from your inventory, otherwise a ton of tools will run around with these new taps without a chance of getting them from them.

(Under the assumption that it's a luggable.)
Oh, don't worry. We have tools to tool the tools, I think.

while your fixing using master shadow with luggables, also make sure you disable hyperjump and hyper speed. A person who non stop jumps is capable of hanging onto the luggable for just as long as someone in mastershadow. And if you know how to side strafe and cap your movement speed, you can outrun pretty much anyone and keep hold of the luggable just as easy as you can by jumping non stop.

#36300416032 02/28/2008 02:40:20 Re:Image Retrieval - February 27, 2008
While your at it, could you make so when you drop the lug, you lose the buffs.  People are picking up lugs, hiding them in the city then heading into the Construct with all these extra buffs and even killing them wont remove the buffs without heading into the city and finding the lugs and picking them up.
#36300416035 02/28/2008 02:47:36 Re:Image Retrieval - February 27, 2008
SolidRevolver wrote:
While your at it, could you make so when you drop the lug, you lose the buffs.  People are picking up lugs, hiding them in the city then heading into the Construct with all these extra buffs and even killing them wont remove the buffs without heading into the city and finding the lugs and picking them up.
9mmfu explained in area chat a long time ago at Tabor West when he popped up that the dropping them and keeping the buffs was by design, unless my memory has failed me.
#36300416040 02/28/2008 02:55:58 Re:Image Retrieval - February 27, 2008
Zudrag wrote:
SolidRevolver wrote:
While your at it, could you make so when you drop the lug, you lose the buffs.  People are picking up lugs, hiding them in the city then heading into the Construct with all these extra buffs and even killing them wont remove the buffs without heading into the city and finding the lugs and picking them up.
9mmfu explained in area chat a long time ago at Tabor West when he popped up that the dropping them and keeping the buffs was by design, unless my memory has failed me.


SMILEY  Bit of a naff design to be honest, its like quitting your job and still getting paid.  The whole point of fighting to keep them is taken away when you show up with buffs but no lug

#36300416042 02/28/2008 03:16:42 Re:Image Retrieval - February 27, 2008
Maybe a movement speed downgrade on the tool?

Then people would actually get the chance to fight over it.
#36300416046 02/28/2008 03:35:07 Re:Image Retrieval - February 27, 2008
AnXieTy wrote:

while your fixing using master shadow with luggables, also make sure you disable hyperjump and hyper speed. A person who non stop jumps is capable of hanging onto the luggable for just as long as someone in mastershadow. And if you know how to side strafe and cap your movement speed, you can outrun pretty much anyone and keep hold of the luggable just as easy as you can by jumping non stop.

It's a lot easier to knock someone out of the sky than out of Shadow. Just follow them closely enough and find a way to root them. Eventually they're going to get tired of all the jumping and go back to mining. Knife throwers and rooters in Sneak have a definite advantage there.

SolidRevolver wrote:
Zudrag wrote:
SolidRevolver wrote:
While your at it, could you make so when you drop the lug, you lose the buffs.  People are picking up lugs, hiding them in the city then heading into the Construct with all these extra buffs and even killing them wont remove the buffs without heading into the city and finding the lugs and picking them up.
9mmfu explained in area chat a long time ago at Tabor West when he popped up that the dropping them and keeping the buffs was by design, unless my memory has failed me.


SMILEY" />  Bit of a naff design to be honest, its like quitting your job and still getting paid.  The whole point of fighting to keep them is taken away when you show up with buffs but no lug

Consider that by hiding the luggable, you cannot protect it from someone who avoids fighting you and goes straight for it, instead.

#36300416065 02/28/2008 04:15:26 Re:Image Retrieval - February 27, 2008
ZippyTheSquirrel wrote:
AnXieTy wrote:

while your fixing using master shadow with luggables, also make sure you disable hyperjump and hyper speed. A person who non stop jumps is capable of hanging onto the luggable for just as long as someone in mastershadow. And if you know how to side strafe and cap your movement speed, you can outrun pretty much anyone and keep hold of the luggable just as easy as you can by jumping non stop.

It's a lot easier to knock someone out of the sky than out of Shadow. Just follow them closely enough and find a way to root them. Eventually they're going to get tired of all the jumping and go back to mining. Knife throwers and rooters in Sneak have a definite advantage there.

You think its that easy huh? Cause I'd be willing to bet character deletion that I could escape and evade  for hours by non stop hyperjumping.

You can accomplish the same thing with hyperjump that you can with master shadow...  invulnerability. It needs to be fixed.

#36300416080 02/28/2008 04:28:47 Re:Image Retrieval - February 27, 2008
SolidRevolver wrote:
Zudrag wrote:
SolidRevolver wrote:
While your at it, could you make so when you drop the lug, you lose the buffs.  People are picking up lugs, hiding them in the city then heading into the Construct with all these extra buffs and even killing them wont remove the buffs without heading into the city and finding the lugs and picking them up.
9mmfu explained in area chat a long time ago at Tabor West when he popped up that the dropping them and keeping the buffs was by design, unless my memory has failed me.


SMILEY<img mce_tsrc=" />  Bit of a naff design to be honest, its like quitting your job and still getting paid.  The whole point of fighting to keep them is taken away when you show up with buffs but no lug

I have to agree with Zippy on this one.

When someones else picks up the luggables the original benefactor was using their buffs get taken away.  The fact that you can simply find and take these luggables for yourself is actually much easier than killing the person to take them.
#36300416081 02/28/2008 04:32:27 Re:Image Retrieval - February 27, 2008
Can you data mine while hyper jumping?


Mind you, I'm not against debuffing Hyper Jump, just against disabling it completely.
#36300416092 02/28/2008 04:49:17 Re:Image Retrieval - February 27, 2008

Disable Master Shadow = Yes.

Disable Hyperjump = No.

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